Little Mouse and RapTarX - What is this connection?

[borovichok]

People on DT, after the Talibans, are the most powerful and dangerous people on the planet right now; people's reputations are being ruined for not stealing or scamming, but for having an alt account, isn't that insane? I believe the forum owner stated that you are allowed to have many accounts as long as you are not stealing or harming others. One of the reasons we don't have a decentralized exchange is because of this. Humans abuses everything.

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[RapTarX]

Can you all please stop accusing me alt of Little Mouse? If anyone has done something suspicious is Little Mouse. Why would I carry with the tag then; I already have stated who I'm, who I'm not. Should I again say the same?

I have only one alt here; RapTarXalt
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After reading this thread, I guess Little Mouse must have explanation which he didn't yet. None but Little Mouse can say what's wrong with him.

I had even sent PM to Little Mouse a few times for an explanation but never got a response from him.

@JollyGood
Why did you suddenly bring this drama again, man? I haven’t done anything wrong but why did you tag me? Can you please remove the negative feedback from my profile and leave me out of this drama?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

@Little Mouse: you haven't responded in this topic. Can you tell me what's your story behind this post?

That's definitely weird and I'd sure like to hear an explanation for that--if it's a goof-up, I don't know how it was made.

Today, JollyGood left this feedback:
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Considering I just bumped this topic after 15 months, this looks like retaliation, which I don't consider correct use of the Trust system. I haven't seen any hard evidence of any of the accounts involved participating in the same signature campaign.

I don't agree with JollyGood's feedback on these accounts at all.  There's no need to leave a negative if alt accounts haven't been participating in the same campaign, and it looks like Little Mouse and RapTarX were in/applying for different ones.  This is the reason I excluded JollyGood from my trust list; he has a very bad habit of leaving overly harsh feedback (to put it mildly).

People on DT, after the Talibans, are the most powerful and dangerous people on the planet right now; people's reputations are being ruined for not stealing or scamming, but for having an alt account, isn't that insane?

That's just a wee bit of an exaggeration, don't you think?  After all, we're talking about a single member (JollyGood) leaving negative trust on 3 accounts suspected of being alts in this case.  Comparing DT members as a group to the Taliban is just straight-up wrong.

I believe the forum owner stated that you are allowed to have many accounts as long as you are not stealing or harming others.

You don't have to believe it.  Just read LoyceV's last post in this thread where he quoted Theymos saying exactly that:

For what it's worth: theymos agrees with hiding your identity:

I don't have a problem with alt accounts as long as they're not used for evading bans. If you're hesitant to say something controversial because you don't want it to be associated with your name, please create an alt account and say it.

[LoyceV]

I believe the forum owner stated that you are allowed to have many accounts as long as you are not stealing or harming others.

Even stealing is allowed by the forum rules, as scams are not moderated.

I'm slightly disappointed by Little Mouse not responding. I spent quite some time reading through this topic, so I would appreciate a straight answer.

[akhjob]

I'm slightly disappointed by Little Mouse not responding. I spent quite some time reading through this topic, so I would appreciate a straight answer.

At first, I was disappointed too and when this topic started, I urged him to make a post here or atleast respond to RaptarX. But all he could say regarding this topic was that it was a mistake from his side and that he can't explain and convince the DT's why he misclicked . And it made a bit of sense at that time.

[LoyceV]

But all he could say regarding this topic was that it was a mistake from his side and that he can't explain and convince the DT's why he misclicked .

I just received his explanation by PM. I can't know if it's true or not. What is still very disappointing, is that Little Mouse doesn't dare to owe up to what he did in public.

@JollyGood: since there is absolutely no evidence of any wrongdoing by RapTarX, please consider removing the negative feedback you gave him. What Little Mouse quoted could have happened to anyone.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

What is still very disappointing, is that Little Mouse doesn't dare to owe up to what he did in public.

I'm not going to ask you to explain what Little Mouse said in his PM, but are you implying that whatever he did that led him to quote a post from RapTarX would be so embarrassing to him that he wouldn't share it here in order to clear things up?  Does what he wrote sound believable?

@JollyGood: since there is absolutely no evidence of any wrongdoing by RapTarX, please consider removing the negative feedback you gave him. What Little Mouse quoted could have happened to anyone.

I second that request to JollyGood without even knowing what the PM said.  There's no reason to neg someone for frivolous reasons, and both Little Mouse and RapTarX have been solid, productive members of the forum as far as I can tell.  They don't need an unwarranted neg on their profiles.

[LoyceV]

are you implying that whatever he did that led him to quote a post from RapTarX would be so embarrassing to him that he wouldn't share it here in order to clear things up?  Does what he wrote sound believable?

In my book, it's not that embarrassing. It's possible it's true, but not daring to "confess" makes it sounds less believable in my book. All of this could have been resolved 1.5 years ago.

I second that request to JollyGood without even knowing what the PM said.  There's no reason to neg someone for frivolous reasons, and both Little Mouse and RapTarX have been solid, productive members of the forum as far as I can tell.  They don't need an unwarranted neg on their profiles.

I'll add one more argument for JollyGood: tags like these reduce the overall quality of your Sent feedback, which leads to less support for your DT-position, which means that all the good you're doing might at some point be wasted. Example: Timelord2067's feedback. The good no longer outweighs the bad, so barely anyone sees his feedback. That's a pity.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I'll add one more argument for JollyGood: tags like these reduce the overall quality of your Sent feedback, which leads to less support for your DT-position, which means that all the good you're doing might at some point be wasted.

Absolutely agree, but I think JollyGood is past the point where he should be on DT, given how many wrongly-given feedbacks he's handed out.  Again, that's why I excluded him from my trust list.  I think he's abusing his power as a DT member--for what reason, I have no idea, but it doesn't matter.

I also think Little Mouse should chime in here, whether he wants to explain his side of the story or not.  He's involved in this drama and got a neg from JollyGood, so I'm not sure why he wouldn't do that.

[JollyGood]

^ At first glance, it seems that JollyGood may have settled his personal grievances here.

It could have happened a personal Irritation has been shaken here.
Or JollyGood may not have noticed the incident before and suddenly it came to his notice when he saw the change in his trust list. I'm thinking positively.

"Little Mouse" & "RapTarX" Maybe they're both the same person, maybe not again. But, It is very unreasonable to give negative trust when someone has an alt account.
If they have not done any shady behavior and do not exchange merit, a maximum of neutral trust can be given, they do not deserve negative trust at all.

And yes, @Little Mouse should have commented and argued here. but for some special reason, I don't know what! he/she may be avoiding it.

No personal grievances were settled, it is not my style.

People on DT, after the Talibans, are the most powerful and dangerous people on the planet right now; people's reputations are being ruined for not stealing or scamming, but for having an alt account, isn't that insane? I believe the forum owner stated that you are allowed to have many accounts as long as you are not stealing or harming others. One of the reasons we don't have a decentralized exchange is because of this. Humans abuses everything.

One of the most preposterous statements I have read from any member in a long time, so much so it does not deserve any more commenting beyond what I already said.

Can you all please stop accusing me alt of Little Mouse? If anyone has done something suspicious is Little Mouse. Why would I carry with the tag then; I already have stated who I'm, who I'm not. Should I again say the same?

I have only one alt here; RapTarXalt
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After reading this thread, I guess Little Mouse must have explanation which he didn't yet. None but Little Mouse can say what's wrong with him.

I had even sent PM to Little Mouse a few times for an explanation but never got a response from him.

@JollyGood
Why did you suddenly bring this drama again, man? I haven’t done anything wrong but why did you tag me? Can you please remove the negative feedback from my profile and leave me out of this drama?

Yes I will look in to this matter later this evening and revise the feedback for all three accounts if warranted. If I recall correctly it was Little Mouse that connected you to his account but if that was a mistake not a slip up I will definitely remove the negative trust. Kindly allow me a couple of hours.

But all he could say regarding this topic was that it was a mistake from his side and that he can't explain and convince the DT's why he misclicked .

I just received his explanation by PM. I can't know if it's true or not. What is still very disappointing, is that Little Mouse doesn't dare to owe up to what he did in public.

@JollyGood: since there is absolutely no evidence of any wrongdoing by RapTarX, please consider removing the negative feedback you gave him. What Little Mouse quoted could have happened to anyone.

Yes Loyce, I am looking in to that and will see if a clear distinction can be made between Little Mouse and RapTarX/RapTarXalt then will revise accordingly. It still is not clear if Little Mouse made an honest error or whether there was more to it since Little Mouse has a habit of sending PMs but is not posting openly. I just want to be sure before modifying or removing the tags 

What is still very disappointing, is that Little Mouse doesn't dare to owe up to what he did in public.

I'm not going to ask you to explain what Little Mouse said in his PM, but are you implying that whatever he did that led him to quote a post from RapTarX would be so embarrassing to him that he wouldn't share it here in order to clear things up?  Does what he wrote sound believable?

@JollyGood: since there is absolutely no evidence of any wrongdoing by RapTarX, please consider removing the negative feedback you gave him. What Little Mouse quoted could have happened to anyone.

I second that request to JollyGood without even knowing what the PM said.  There's no reason to neg someone for frivolous reasons, and both Little Mouse and RapTarX have been solid, productive members of the forum as far as I can tell.  They don't need an unwarranted neg on their profiles.

I will look at it as soon as possible The Pharmacist and update in the thread within the next couple of hours.

[CryptoBuds]

are you implying that whatever he did that led him to quote a post from RapTarX would be so embarrassing to him that he wouldn't share it here in order to clear things up?  Does what he wrote sound believable?

In my book, it's not that embarrassing. It's possible it's true, but not daring to "confess" makes it sounds less believable in my book. All of this could have been resolved 1.5 years ago.

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But all he could say regarding this topic was that it was a mistake from his side and that he can't explain and convince the DT's why he misclicked .

I just received his explanation by PM. I can't know if it's true or not. What is still very disappointing, is that Little Mouse doesn't dare to owe up to what he did in public.
@JollyGood: since there is absolutely no evidence of any wrongdoing by RapTarX, please consider removing the negative feedback you gave him. What Little Mouse quoted could have happened to anyone.

Yes Loyce, I am looking in to that and will see if a clear distinction can be made between Little Mouse and RapTarX/RapTarXalt then will revise accordingly. It still is not clear if Little Mouse made an honest error or whether there was more to it since Little Mouse has a habit of sending PMs but is not posting openly. I just want to be sure before modifying or removing the tags  

I've seen Little Mouse is very much active in the reputation board and most often posted other's accusation threads but inactive for his own case.
It seems kind of weird that Little Mouse doesn't want to say anything in public, I don't know why! It would have been appropriate if he had not been active on the reputation board, but such behavior does not match with his actual nature.

BTW, he may have made a good argument in the message he sent LoyceV and hopefully, a self-made hero member like him will not be underestimated.

[borovichok]

People on DT, after the Talibans, are the most powerful and dangerous people on the planet right now; people's reputations are being ruined for not stealing or scamming, but for having an alt account, isn't that insane?

That's just a wee bit of an exaggeration, don't you think?  After all, we're talking about a single member (JollyGood) leaving negative trust on 3 accounts suspected of being alts in this case.  Comparing DT members as a group to the Taliban is just straight-up wrong.

Yes, I crossed the line, but it's strange that a reputable member like JollyGood doesn't understand the forum rules or when to use Negative, Neutral, or Positive feedback; it's also strange to see that all of his posts and topics are about red tag debates; I believe he enjoys seeing people debating and discussing him. Smh

I believe the forum owner stated that you are allowed to have many accounts as long as you are not stealing or harming others.

Even stealing is allowed by the forum rules, as scams are not moderated.

So, why is JG red tagging people for wearing sigs and giving honest reviews? Why is JG doing the opposite and still on DT? I saw a quote from theymos advising DT members against red tagging Yobit sig participants (can't find it).

[JollyGood]

Both accounts and RapTarX (and your known alt-account RapTarXalt) have their negative tags from me removed.

As a side note, I have removed the negative trust for Little Mouse too and sent him a PM asking for some information and clarification about what actually happened.

I will not be posting in this thread any more unless I have something to add if/after Little Mouse replies to my PM  

@JollyGood
Why did you suddenly bring this drama again, man? I haven’t done anything wrong but why did you tag me? Can you please remove the negative feedback from my profile and leave me out of this drama?

[JollyGood]

I've seen Little Mouse is very much active in the reputation board and most often posted other's accusation threads but inactive for his own case.
It seems kind of weird that Little Mouse doesn't want to say anything in public, I don't know why! It would have been appropriate if he had not been active on the reputation board, but such behavior does not match with his actual nature.

BTW, he may have made a good argument in the message he sent LoyceV and hopefully, a self-made hero member like him will not be underestimated.

Little Mouse is still posting elsewhere in the forum, wasting little time commenting on other people having alt account related matters but is not posting here. He is actively avoiding explaining his side in public though has provided some sort of explanation to Loyce which has not been made public. I sent a PM to Little Mouse but he has not replied.

He did very sheepishly send me a PM out of the blue after he was tagged asking in his own way if it was retaliatory, then at the same time complained to at least one (probably more) DT members citing retaliatory conduct when it was nothing of the sort. He seems to be a campaign manager now too, seems to have time to post in lots of thread but not this one...

Yes that is my BTC address.. believe or not, that is my friend account, he is a freelancer and don' know about crypto.. i just want to help for payment and take 5% as fee.. That is doesn't matter you believe or not.. not very important when i compared to helping each other..

mulyanah20 was created on August 2018 and his first contest participation was December 2018. There's more than 4 months gap in between this. By this time, this account has some post on different boards too. So, it simply doesn’t look like the account was created for participating in the contest as you referred. More likely, the account knows how the forum works as they were discussing merit and other things when they created the account. I doubt anyone knows how the forum works but doesn’t know how to create a btc address.

[LoyceV]

Little Mouse is still posting elsewhere in the forum, wasting little time commenting on other people having alt account related matters but is not posting here. He is actively avoiding explaining his side in public though has provided some sort of explanation to Loyce which has not been made public. I sent a PM to Little Mouse but he has not replied.

Little Mouse told me he'll possibly post here soon. That was 9 days ago. Well, up to him, if he doesn't share his side of the story, this thread will keep biting him in the ass once in a while.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Little Mouse is still posting elsewhere in the forum, wasting little time commenting on other people having alt account related matters but is not posting here. He is actively avoiding explaining his side in public though has provided some sort of explanation to Loyce which has not been made public. I sent a PM to Little Mouse but he has not replied.

Little Mouse told me he'll possibly post here soon. That was 9 days ago. Well, up to him, if he doesn't share his side of the story, this thread will keep biting him in the ass once in a while.

Or maybe he's trying to play the man whom the book or proverbs called foolish, but due to him keeping quiet in matters like this, he was considered wise  .
Anyways.. Personally, I have this innate spirit in me which forces me to keep quiet(and even enjoy it) when am being accused of something I know I didn't do or am not guilty of, i just enjoy the suspense and knowing that every one is anticipating on what I have to say makes me feel very important  .

Now, don't get me wrong, am not saying little mouse is innocent to the accusation, neither am I saying he's not, I AM VERY NEUTRAL ON THIS MATTER, am just wondering if little mouse feeling same as I said above.

[JollyGood]

Little Mouse is still posting elsewhere in the forum, wasting little time commenting on other people having alt account related matters but is not posting here. He is actively avoiding explaining his side in public though has provided some sort of explanation to Loyce which has not been made public. I sent a PM to Little Mouse but he has not replied.

Little Mouse told me he'll possibly post here soon. That was 9 days ago. Well, up to him, if he doesn't share his side of the story, this thread will keep biting him in the ass once in a while.

Maybe he covered that aspect of his conduct so it cannot be held against him by using the word possibly which is so ambiguous within the context here that it literally means nothing. Little Mouse sent me a PM today saying he sees nothing that needs to be explained by him.

He wrote he: cannot see there are any allegations where he needs to explain himself

He even stated: everything is crystal clear

This was after I linked the post I made

Hello,

I hope you are well.

You did not reply to my previous PM. Please read this post and make a reply in public: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5248874.msg58108955#msg58108955

There allegations made against you from multiple sources with evidence therefore you need to answer them by posting your own version of events. Thank you.

Kind Regards

What is not crystal clear is how he managed to post from one account thinking he was posting from a different account, yet he thinks that is crystal clear and no explanation is required.

[TwitchySeal]

Funny how some threads just live on forever.

I'd say there's a 3% chance Little Mouse is innocent.

[LoyceV]

Little Mouse locked his topic already so I'll post here: Royse777 added RapTarX to DT2. What's interesting, is that RapTarX left Little Mouse negative feedback 1.5 years ago:

Idiot quoted me in Roobet signature campaign and applied with my information which led my reputation being destroyed here. PMed him 3 times but never bothered to respond.
TL;DR- I am not his alt.

I kinda like it: if they're alts, their actions backfired. If Little Mouse's story is true, this feedback from RapTarX is deserved and now shows up by default.

[AB de Royse777]

Almost over one and half year after, we are still on this thread!

I kinda like it: if they're alts, their actions backfired. If Little Mouse's story is true, this feedback from RapTarX is deserved and now shows up by default.

LOL
Interesting indeed. It just happened but I am going to enjoy it :-D

PS: It's been a long time I did not update my list and still there are few guys to be considered soon.