Scrap the trolling rule?

[crwth]

As on my understanding trolling can be defined as:

Someone who easily spouts aggressive or inflammatory messages/posts for the purpose of upsetting people for their own entertainment.

It could be characterized as trolling but it's mostly hatred and his/her opinion on the topic. He is just a hater that knows LoyceV and is jealous of the achievements. It's just typical and should just be ignored. My two sats.

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[DireWolfM14]

The people disagree:



50% of the forum can't be wrong.

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner.

This is an example of trolling or what?

No, it was an accusation.  But since you didn't deny that it's your alt, I'm retracting my accusations.  If it was your alt, you would have found some slithery, non-committal, half-assed way of denying it, sort of.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Yikes--Zepher hasn't been forgotten.  I have some nice copper BTC coins that were made in his memory and also a silver skull that he owned.

That post was totally trolling, but frankly if a rule can't or won't be enforced I think it ought to be taken off the books.  And since you have to be a seriously persistent and aggressive troll to achieve a permaban, I'd mostly be in favor of scrapping the rule.  I do think that dude's post was out of line, but I also believe in having the most freedom of speech possible--and there are other ways of dealing with a jackass like that that don't resort to having the rule book thrown at him.  The community could ignore him en masse, and that would probably be the best way of handling his posts if he's a complete troll. 

You can't feed attention to these idiots, because that's exactly what they want.  But if nobody is responding to their nonsense, they'll go away eventually.

And suchmoon, I have a hard time believing your kids are ugly.

[LoyceV]

the bit about Zepher is out of order imo.

Although I agree, I like to think of it this way: If some troll finds it necessary to mention you long after your death, you did something right and made a real impact!

I doubt LoyceV was hurt by it, he seems like he's got a thick skin, and knows how to shrug off the haters.

It's the internet, if the internet could hurt me, I'd have unplugged it a long time ago. I actually responded to it:

LOL maybe in the next 5 years you will actually contribute to the technology that brings us all here....

Hi fake Newbie, I'm flattered you created a new account just to talk to me!
Bitcoin's technology works fine. It needs users, and I'm pretty sure I've contributed plenty on that part.

The problem with CH-like trolls is of course there's no point arguing with them, it quickly goes off-topic, and then there's the famous quote about arguing with stupid people.

the whole purpose of that post seems to have have been an inflammatory and offensive attempt to disrupt the thread. I'm glad it didn't succeed.

That's actually a big win, it means many people now know it's pointless.

[suchmoon]

And suchmoon, I have a hard time believing your kids are ugly.

Hmm... maybe it's the other way round, maybe I'm ugly and my kids are dumb.

That's actually a big win, it means many people now know it's pointless.

So I guess we have to thank CH and "friends" for inoculating us against that.

[DireWolfM14]

So I guess we have to thank CH and "friends" for inoculating us against that.

Are you suggesting that TOAA was actually the vaccine for the cryptohunter virus, and not a mutation?

[Quickseller]

I think we should keep the rule for extreme cases.

And suchmoon, I have a hard time believing your kids are ugly.

Hmm... maybe it's the other way round, maybe I'm ugly and my kids are dumb.

I don’t think you are ugly. 💃 <— here is a SM emoji

[TheBeardedBaby]

If the rule stays, please provide a better definition of trolling. I literally live in the land of trolls and according to the locals they are just little insignificant grumpy troublemakers but not really dangerous. Living under the bridges and in gark woods.
Internet trolling doesn't have a complete definition so we have to put some borders.

[Lafu]

That's why they are forced to express their opinion from alternative accounts.

Because they have only no Balls to write with there Main Account and write things like that!
They share only there opinions with a Newbie or Alt Account and write shit with them.
If they would think first and at some stage just dont write anything would be better.
And if they express their opinion with there Main Accounts a lot of Users will see there real Face and acting.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I don't think it's trolling, but something way worst. This guy attacked a dead man! A dead man who can't defend himself! That's a desecration act!

Similar to the barbars which plundered dead bodies for their jewlery!

There are not enough enough words for describing such things. It's against any religion!

Fighting with dead people! Seriously?!?!?!

And about what Mitchell said. And also LoyceV:

The problem with CH-like trolls is of course there's no point arguing with them, it quickly goes off-topic, and then there's the famous quote about arguing with stupid people.

Oh and one more thing: truth or dare never said (as far as I know) he is not CH / TOAA. However, even if he said or not, I observed something interesting, to say the least: he tends to quote full OPs / full replies, as TOAA used to.

Maybe a coincidence, as The-Devil was saying. Maybe not.

Some of my posts coincide with an article by coincidence.

Edit: oh and a quick tip for suchmoon - man (ma'am ?), if I am allowed: please, please, don't involve your children in such discussions, not even for fun. They are sacred! I am also a father of a young one, only 8 months old, and I know what means being a parent. Children are our most precious aspects in this life, we must cherish them. As they will cherish us too, after years. They are angels!

[suchmoon]

8 months old [...] They are angels!

That's your problem right there. My kids are way past the angel stage

Point taken. I shall report myself for trolling myself.

[truth or dare]

I don't think it's trolling, but something way worst. This guy attacked a dead man! A dead man who can't defend himself! That's a desecration act!

Similar to the barbars which plundered dead bodies for their jewlery!

There are not enough enough words for describing such things. It's against any religion!

Fighting with dead people! Seriously?!?!?!

And about what Mitchell said. And also LoyceV:

The problem with CH-like trolls is of course there's no point arguing with them, it quickly goes off-topic, and then there's the famous quote about arguing with stupid people.

Oh and one more thing: truth or dare never said (as far as I know) he is not CH / TOAA. However, even if he said or not, I observed something interesting, to say the least: he tends to quote full OPs / full replies, as TOAA used to.

Maybe a coincidence, as The-Devil was saying. Maybe not.

Some of my posts coincide with an article by coincidence.

Edit: oh and a quick tip for suchmoon - man (ma'am ?), if I am allowed: please, please, don't involve your children in such discussions, not even for fun. They are sacred! I am also a father of a young one, only 8 months old, and I know what means being a parent. Children are our most precious aspects in this life, we must cherish them. As they will cherish us too, after years. They are angels!

I'm sure you'll find a great many more similarities if you pay attention. The question is are they deliberate or merely a sloppy disguise.

Not sure if your post is derailing or intentionally inflammatory though? either way perma ban could be the best solution.

Jokes aside, the post in question appears true, loyceV has not contributed code to bitcoin and has no achievements of real substance. No original thought provoking posts that really changed anything. An average or below average member who mostly copy and pastes forum raw data, and screams troll at those that crush his feeble mind in debate
Well when he is not drawing reference to his heap of merits he is overly proud of.

The point about the dead member seems irrelevant but I have no idea if the other points about this members are true or false. If anything said can be demonstrated to be untrue then produce your robust rebuttal. It could be seen as distasteful but wouldn't be trolling unless it was clearly untrue.

The rules on trolling are clear and well thought out considering it's bitcoin talk. You can not police what may be inflammatory to every member here. You could identify bogus and clearly untrue statements that are being promulgated (i remember someone else using that word quite often) as true and correct, and delete those and give a warning though.

I don't think it's worth a big thread to cry and complain that there are members capable of noticing loyceV is largely a copy and paste spammer, who has not contributed code to bitcoin nor is capable of contributing anything oh value to any kind of interesting and valuable debate. Shit posting net negative imbecile. One who wants to appear fair and impartial but too terrified to stand up to blatant abusers and scammers that could jeopardise his chipmixer dust

Came to complain he couldn't join a faucet, 5 years later still milking the forum at max possible rates with chipmixer and a paid avatar.


end silly thread. Anyone is free to present their opinion. Of what they say is true but unpopular does not mean you can cry for bans and censorship.

Debunk people's points or arguments. Demonstrate clearly they are presenting false and incorrect information or cry into your pillow or mommy's ear.

[Thekool1s]

We don't need to scrap it, however, I'm not sure if it applies to the post in question. I agree with what @PrimeNumber7 said... Trolling is not something that you disagree with. Nor is it something that is critical of someone you like. Trolling will generally be more than a single post. Having said that I believe the intentions should be also accounted for. E.G in this case, an alt account was created just to belittle LoyceV and Zepher to basically Provoke the community and the targets and I think @lolsalot succeeded in doing that Cuz here we are talking about whether we should scrap the trolling rule or not. I kinda feel like this should be considered a case of trolling, if @lolsalot really wanted to be critical of LoyceV and Zepher, they should have done it from their original account and not hide behind Aliases. So I kinda agree with your judgement there... "100% trolling" indeed.

[LeGaulois]

I voted No too, sorry but it's far to be an account trolling. A person can't be labeled as a "troll" because someone disliked his first post. It's not like he has 1000 posts constantly trying to create problems or create a controversy. Yes, he created a fake account, then?
Sometimes it's not a problem and sometimes it is, depending on the day of the week here. He gave his opinion if he can't then we all could be labeled as a "troll"

[truth or dare]

We don't need to scrap it, however, I'm not sure if it applies to the post in question. I agree with what @PrimeNumber7 said... Trolling is not something that you disagree with. Nor is it something that is critical of someone you like. Trolling will generally be more than a single post. Having said that I believe the intentions should be also accounted for. E.G in this case, an alt account was created just to belittle LoyceV and Zepher to basically Provoke the community and the targets and I think @lolsalot succeeded in doing that Cuz here we are talking about whether we should scrap the trolling rule or not. I kinda feel like this should be considered a case of trolling, if @lolsalot really wanted to be critical of LoyceV and Zepher, they should have done it from their original account and not hide behind Aliases. So I kinda agree with your judgement there... "100% trolling" indeed.

Speculation on intention, account origin and the rest makes zero sense and had nothing to do with the boards definition of trolling. That's quite an achievement and very funny. Your post is clearly nearer to trolling that the post in question.

What if his intention was to inject some truth and context to the false narrative?
From the only account he has created?
What if the message should be viewed on it's own merits?
What if it was true and not therefore the deliberate promulgation of false and incorrect information as true? or visa versa?
Who said a post can not be trolling if your other posts are not trolling?

Can someone just debunk the members points and denostrate they are untrue? else move along

[Thekool1s]

What if his intention was to inject some truth and context to the false narrative?

And what narrative are we talking about here?  LoyceV just created a thread about his journey on bitcointalk, Wasn't asking us to worship him or something. What False narrative here @lolsalot was correcting here?

From the only account he has created?

I'm not sure if you are drunk or merely trolling at this point. How in the world did @lolsalot know so much 2 forum members? Clearly has to be lurking here for a long time with no account which is kind of a stretch.

What if the message should be viewed on it's own merits?

The message had no merit unfortunately, just said the things which a person with an IQ of 69 can even figure out... 

Can someone just debunk the members points and denostrate they are untrue? else move along

Done! 

[truth or dare]

What if his intention was to inject some truth and context to the false narrative?

And what narrative are we talking about here?   LoyceV just created a thread about his journey on bitcointalk, Wasn't asking us to worship him or something. What False narrative here @lolsalot was correcting here?

From the only account he has created?

I'm not sure if you are drunk or merely trolling at this point. How in the world did @lolsalot know so much 2 forum members? Clearly has to be lurking here for a long time with no account which is kind of a stretch.

What if the message should be viewed on it's own merits?

The message had no merit unfortunately, just said the things which a person with an IQ of 69 can even figure out...  

Can someone just debunk the members points and denostrate they are untrue? else move along

Done!  

The narrative of pure congratulatory servile slobbering with no real context.

The other points you confess are speculation. Perhaps he is only interested in those that produce bitcoin code? and objects to merit given to other members. You need not create an account to read and accrue knowledge.

The truth always has merit. Its not a matter of figuring it out. Just historically correct statements that he believes are relevant.

Which parts of his post have you debunked and demonstrated were untrue? I must have missed those.

Until you demonstrate his points are undeniably incorrect you can't very well evoke the boards definition of trolling.

[cabalism13]

Take a break.

You should take a permanent one.

Truth or Dare ?
Which one's gonna be? ☝️😂

[Thekool1s]

Perhaps he is only interested in those that produce bitcoin code? and objects to merit given to other members. You need not create an account to read and accrue knowledge.

For a person only interested in "Truth", you do like to speculate a lot 

Until you demonstrate his points are undeniably incorrect you can't very well evoke the boards definition of trolling.

Since you haven't demonstrated that my premise is invalid I don't have to 'demonstrate his points' are incorrect... I have exposed their intentions according to my premise, I don't have to break down each point as it is subjective...

[madnessteat]

In my opinion, such behavior should be regarded as trolling. I see in this message an attempt to hurt LoyceV's feelings by mentioning the dead Zepher and provoking a reaction. The troll knew it was a trolling, so he wrote from an alternative account.

In my opinion, the rules about trolling should be tightened.