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[DoublerHunter]

I just wanna greet you here a warm welcome to the Bitcointalk gambling community. After reading the head title of this thread, I thought this is like (https://777coin.com/) and they had already a business here a long time ago in having a signature campaign. To compete with them, probably it is a good decision of looking for another domain name. I looked up the site but I did not see the FAQ for the serious possible queries.
It sounds the same right? It is weird.
https://777coin.com/ -- already have business here.
https://coins777.com/ -- your website

[bittrafficme]

https://coins777.com/ -- your website
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Yes. https://coins777.com New one, started just yesterday.
I have a few casino websites, but this another domain is not mine.

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[jademaxsuy]

It's not that good and I kind of familiar with the designs of the website. I suggest what Doublerhunter did suggest so that gamblers that will access your site would read the FAQ right away. You have did the same thing as the other gambling sits that have support chat on the website. I do hope that it's available 24/7 and gamblers would just ask and get answer by you or any of your team members.

[bittrafficme]

I just wanna greet you here a warm welcome to the Bitcointalk gambling community. After reading the head title of this thread, I thought this is like (https://777coin.com/) and they had already a business here a long time ago in having a signature campaign. To compete with them, probably it is a good decision of looking for another domain name. I looked up the site but I did not see the FAQ for the serious possible queries.
It sounds the same right? It is weird.

P.S. The FAQ will be on this page https://coins777.com/pages/help in the next few days.  

[Cacingkemi]

looks exactly like alpha.casino, does this have the same dev? Start registration, there is no message to verify fix it dude

[bering]

May i know how much worth for 777 credits in bitcoin or altcoin because no FAQ menu on your casino so i could not find any informations regarding it and register seems not really works because over than 10 minutes waiting confirmations email but seems it wasn't appears on my email

[AlexSimion]

Lol OP , what happened with the previous casino you guys opened over a month or so ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214440.msg53505999#msg53505999

I highly believe something is shady about these casino's OP is oppening every 1-2 months and I'd advise people to be careful to where they deposit their money.

[panjul07]

May i know how much worth for 777 credits in bitcoin or altcoin because no FAQ menu on your casino so i could not find any informations regarding it and register seems not really works because over than 10 minutes waiting confirmations email but seems it wasn't appears on my email

I have just created an account here and after checking the withdrawal menu, I can see that 10k credit worth around 0.011btc or 100USDT. So 777 credit worth 7.7USDT
Verification email is indeed a bit slow, I received it after around 15minutes. Frankly speaking, this site reminds me to those older sites that uses the cheap script ($99) but this one is a bit different as it seems the owner has modified the design.
By the way, minimum withdrawal is 10k credit. What? Isn't it too much?

[bittrafficme]

May i know how much worth for 777 credits in bitcoin or altcoin because no FAQ menu on your casino so i could not find any informations regarding it and register seems not really works because over than 10 minutes waiting confirmations email but seems it wasn't appears on my email

I have just created an account here and after checking the withdrawal menu, I can see that 10k credit worth around 0.011btc or 100USDT. So 777 credit worth 7.7USDT
Verification email is indeed a bit slow, I received it after around 15minutes. Frankly speaking, this site reminds me to those older sites that uses the cheap script ($99) but this one is a bit different as it seems the owner has modified the design.
By the way, minimum withdrawal is 10k credit. What? Isn't it too much?

Hi!
Yes, 100 credits = 1 USDT ($1).


So 777 credit worth 7.77 USDT

We will check and change email server. Thank you for the note! (Registration via facebook or google does not require email  confirmation )

Expensive, cheap or free script - this is the smallest concern when starting a safe and attractive website. Millions of popular websites are built on free wordpress script (But that doesn't mean they didn't cost anything).

There are many reasons why withdrawals currently  are $100. The main reason is not to become a "free crypto exchange".

[bittrafficme]

Lol OP , what happened with the previous casino you guys opened over a month or so ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214440.msg53505999#msg53505999

I highly believe something is shady about these casino's OP is oppening every 1-2 months and I'd advise people to be careful to where they deposit their money.

Coins777 is a completely different app.

OP is oppening every 1-2 months

- Yes, you are right. this is the second our crypto casino site of the 6-10 expected (). But there's nothing to worry about, That's our business plan.
- All our casinos use the same crypto wallets, so it makes no difference whether the site was opened yesterday or in the past.

[bittrafficme]

May i know how much worth for 777 credits in bitcoin or altcoin because no FAQ menu on your casino so i could not find any informations regarding it and register seems not really works because over than 10 minutes waiting confirmations email but seems it wasn't appears on my email

Hi bering,
100 credits = 1 USDT. USDT is the base currency.

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[bittrafficme]

looks exactly like alpha.casino, does this have the same dev? Start registration, there is no message to verify fix it dude

Hi Cacingkemi, thank you for the note.
For coins777.com website notifications we use US mailgun SMPT server.
I will update it to EU, maybe it be faster...

[Chikito]

Just registered, I got 777 free credit and see $ symbo,l is this mean i get worth $ 777 USD or what currency of this?
Seems, your site:
- don't have information [Info Coming soon.. ]
- question and answer [Q&A] when clicked will direct back into https://coins777.com/pages/help
- support chart directing into tawk

Are you site connected into Alpha casino?
yuor site look familiar as I tried before.

[joksim299]

looks exactly like alpha.casino, does this have the same dev? Start registration, there is no message to verify fix it dude

Its 50$ turnkey script

[bittrafficme]

looks exactly like alpha.casino, does this have the same dev? Start registration, there is no message to verify fix it dude

Its 50$ turnkey script

No, its FREE!.

[bittrafficme]

Just registered, I got 777 free credit and see $ symbo,l is this mean i get worth $ 777 USD or what currency of this?

- No, There are no dollars. Just crypto credits. 1000 credits = 1 USDT. Symbol looks like dolar, to users understand - there is a money
777 dollars or double deposits you can get only in scam casinos.
But anyway, thank you for your notice, i will think about changing it to something else... 

Seems, your site:
- don't have information [Info Coming soon.. ]
- question and answer [Q&A] when clicked will direct back into https://coins777.com/pages/help
- support chart directing into tawk

Yes, I have enswered many times. We started just yesterday (this website) So give us a few days, to collect some questions befoe...

Are you site connected into Alpha casino?
yuor site look familiar as I tried before.

No, I don't know this site and not affiliated.

[bittrafficme]

I just wanna greet you here a warm welcome to the Bitcointalk gambling community. After reading the head title of this thread, I thought this is like (https://777coin.com/) and they had already a business here a long time ago in having a signature campaign. To compete with them, probably it is a good decision of looking for another domain name. I looked up the site but I did not see the FAQ for the serious possible queries.
It sounds the same right? It is weird.
https://777coin.com/ -- already have business here.
https://coins777.com/ -- your website

I'm apologize, I just now getting deep into the essence of your post
 It is weird, yes, but you are the first person from whom I heard this alternative.

For all the critics I can suggest, when you have free time, try to register a casino-related domain. com or whatever.
Write down how long it will take you to find.  
For example, it took me about 1 month to register 5 domains (including https://coins777.com ). (And I've been working online since 2004, and for the last 4 years I've been registering domains through my own domain registration website.)

[Cryptpogz1]

tried to register but never got that verification email, any ideas ?

[bittrafficme]

tried to register but never got that verification email, any ideas ?

I think you have mistake in your email. Try register again, with your actual email, and if it is possible - it means you have entered it in correct.

For example, we are constantly removing unverified users with emails like email@gmaul.com, email@gmaikl.com, email@domain.ioi.. etc..

[bittrafficme]

tried to register but never got that verification email, any ideas ?

P.S. Or write me your email address in PM

[bittrafficme]

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Hurry up to sign up! 

[bittrafficme]

looks exactly like alpha.casino, does this have the same dev? Start registration, there is no message to verify fix it dude

Its 50$ turnkey script

P.S. Its free, when you steel it, crack it, your work time months cost nothing (zero), host on hacked hosting, operate fake social accounts, get payments to elude, and you live in Bajgladesh, Nigeria, Russia or Indonesia, and day bay day you think how to steel money from EU, AU, , etc..customers.

Its YOU?

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[tyKiwanuka]

You might want to make yourself familiar with the forum rules, especially rule #32, or you and your thread might be in danger https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

[TalkStar]

After seeing your posting activities on this thread its quite easy to detect that you haven't got enough knowledge about forum rules. You are continiously giving reply's on your own thread which is a complete violation of forum rules. I will suggest you to read forum rules carefully to enrich your knowledge vault about bitcointalk. Alhough it was your responsibility to know the existing rules of this forum before making an ANN topic here. Hope you understand.

[panjul07]

There are many reasons why withdrawals currently  are $100. The main reason is not to become a "free crypto exchange".

Why people should use your site as free crypto exchange? Any good reasons for people to use your site for such purpose? No offenses, even if people is interested to use gambling site as an exchange then they will choose popular and trusted sites first instead of a new site like yours.
You have so low maximum winning per bet but you have too high minimum withdrawal. Small players wont be interested because of your high min withdrawal and on bug players wont be interested because of your low max win per bet. I wonder what kind of players you are looking for to come on your site.

[bittrafficme]

There are many reasons why withdrawals currently  are $100. The main reason is not to become a "free crypto exchange".

Why people should use your site as free crypto exchange? Any good reasons for people to use your site for such purpose? No offenses, even if people is interested to use gambling site as an exchange then they will choose popular and trusted sites first instead of a new site like yours.
You have so low maximum winning per bet but you have too high minimum withdrawal. Small players wont be interested because of your high min withdrawal and on bug players wont be interested because of your low max win per bet. I wonder what kind of players you are looking for to come on your site.

Please vote in our poll for Max bet https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5229664.0

[bittrafficme]

After seeing your posting activities on this thread its quite easy to detect that you haven't got enough knowledge about forum rules. You are continiously giving reply's on your own thread which is a complete violation of forum rules. I will suggest you to read forum rules carefully to enrich your knowledge vault about bitcointalk. Alhough it was your responsibility to know the existing rules of this forum before making an ANN topic here. Hope you understand.

Wow, thank you for info... I'll definitely read it

[bittrafficme]

You might want to make yourself familiar with the forum rules, especially rule #32, or you and your thread might be in danger https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

Thank you, I am reading this right now.... 

[AlexSimion]

I just wanna greet you here a warm welcome to the Bitcointalk gambling community. After reading the head title of this thread, I thought this is like (https://777coin.com/) and they had already a business here a long time ago in having a signature campaign. To compete with them, probably it is a good decision of looking for another domain name. I looked up the site but I did not see the FAQ for the serious possible queries.
It sounds the same right? It is weird.
https://777coin.com/ -- already have business here.
https://coins777.com/ -- your website

I'm apologize, I just now getting deep into the essence of your post
 It is weird, yes, but you are the first person from whom I heard this alternative.

For all the critics I can suggest, when you have free time, try to register a casino-related domain. com or whatever.
Write down how long it will take you to find.  
For example, it took me about 1 month to register 5 domains (including https://coins777.com ). (And I've been working online since 2004, and for the last 4 years I've been registering domains through my own domain registration website.)

This is the second casino you open in the last 3 months , + 1 exchange .    Why so many ? Why not stick to just 1 and actually make it good ?

[bittrafficme]

I just wanna greet you here a warm welcome to the Bitcointalk gambling community. After reading the head title of this thread, I thought this is like (777coin.com/) and they had already a business here a long time ago in having a signature campaign. To compete with them, probably it is a good decision of looking for another domain name. I looked up the site but I did not see the FAQ for the serious possible queries.
It sounds the same right? It is weird.
777coin.com/ -- already have business here.
https://coins777.com/ -- your website

I'm apologize, I just now getting deep into the essence of your post
 It is weird, yes, but you are the first person from whom I heard this alternative.

For all the critics I can suggest, when you have free time, try to register a casino-related domain. com or whatever.
Write down how long it will take you to find.  
For example, it took me about 1 month to register 5 domains (including https://coins777.com ). (And I've been working online since 2004, and for the last 4 years I've been registering domains through my own domain registration website.)

This is the second casino you open in the last 3 months , + 1 exchange .    Why so many ? Why not stick to just 1 and actually make it good ?

Yes,  that is probably the time has come.. I am realy happy to finish the projects/ideas I started in 1-5 years ago (though probably too late for some). If interested, another 1-2 casinos, 1 OTC exchange, 1 Coin ICO and 1 adult webcams site (just beta) are scheduled for this month....  

[bittrafficme]

tried to register but never got that verification email, any ideas ?

send me your email PM

[bittrafficme]

There are many reasons why withdrawals currently  are $100. The main reason is not to become a "free crypto exchange".

Why people should use your site as free crypto exchange? Any good reasons for people to use your site for such purpose? No offenses, even if people is interested to use gambling site as an exchange then they will choose popular and trusted sites first instead of a new site like yours.
You have so low maximum winning per bet but you have too high minimum withdrawal. Small players wont be interested because of your high min withdrawal and on bug players wont be interested because of your low max win per bet. I wonder what kind of players you are looking for to come on your site.

Today we have raised the max bet to 500 credits (5 USDT). Later it will be raised up to 10000.
But at the moment we can't do it to avoid problems if we had to pay out a very large win.
It's all just about maintaining a conscientious reputation at our https://coins777.com casino.

[panjul07]

There are many reasons why withdrawals currently  are $100. The main reason is not to become a "free crypto exchange".

Why people should use your site as free crypto exchange? Any good reasons for people to use your site for such purpose? No offenses, even if people is interested to use gambling site as an exchange then they will choose popular and trusted sites first instead of a new site like yours.
You have so low maximum winning per bet but you have too high minimum withdrawal. Small players wont be interested because of your high min withdrawal and on bug players wont be interested because of your low max win per bet. I wonder what kind of players you are looking for to come on your site.

Today we have raised the max bet to 500 credits (5 USDT). Later it will be raised up to 10000.
But at the moment we can't do it to avoid problems if we had to pay out a very large win.
It's all just about maintaining a conscientious reputation at our https://coins777.com casino.

Have you just raised it again? I see a win over 800 credit under the recent games information. So how much is your current max allowed bet?
I believe you need to reduce the minimum withdrawal as well if you wanna attract players. It is just not making any senses if you have higher minimum withdrawal than max allowed bet.

[shoreno]

There are many reasons why withdrawals currently  are $100. The main reason is not to become a "free crypto exchange".

Why people should use your site as free crypto exchange? Any good reasons for people to use your site for such purpose? No offenses, even if people is interested to use gambling site as an exchange then they will choose popular and trusted sites first instead of a new site like yours.
You have so low maximum winning per bet but you have too high minimum withdrawal. Small players wont be interested because of your high min withdrawal and on bug players wont be interested because of your low max win per bet. I wonder what kind of players you are looking for to come on your site.

Today we have raised the max bet to 500 credits (5 USDT). Later it will be raised up to 10000.
But at the moment we can't do it to avoid problems if we had to pay out a very large win.
It's all just about maintaining a conscientious reputation at our https://coins777.com casino.

Have you just raised it again? I see a win over 800 credit under the recent games information. So how much is your current max allowed bet?
I believe you need to reduce the minimum withdrawal as well if you wanna attract players. It is just not making any senses if you have higher minimum withdrawal than max allowed bet.

500 usdt max bet ? means 5 dollar  ?  that is small i guess because others have 100 btc max bet limit but they are slightly big anyway than this site and they say they will lift the limit  over time  but i agree that withdrawal limit should be lowered too because its hard to reach that amount for small players , what can only happen is that they will loose before they reach it . its okay if you have other coin choices that has a low withdraw limit because other sites have it and small players can easily convert the coin from one another  .

[bittrafficme]

There are many reasons why withdrawals currently  are $100. The main reason is not to become a "free crypto exchange".

Why people should use your site as free crypto exchange? Any good reasons for people to use your site for such purpose? No offenses, even if people is interested to use gambling site as an exchange then they will choose popular and trusted sites first instead of a new site like yours.
You have so low maximum winning per bet but you have too high minimum withdrawal. Small players wont be interested because of your high min withdrawal and on bug players wont be interested because of your low max win per bet. I wonder what kind of players you are looking for to come on your site.

Today we have raised the max bet to 500 credits (5 USDT). Later it will be raised up to 10000.
But at the moment we can't do it to avoid problems if we had to pay out a very large win.
It's all just about maintaining a conscientious reputation at our https://coins777.com casino.

Have you just raised it again? I see a win over 800 credit under the recent games information. So how much is your current max allowed bet?
I believe you need to reduce the minimum withdrawal as well if you wanna attract players. It is just not making any senses if you have higher minimum withdrawal than max allowed bet.

500 usdt max bet ? means 5 dollar  ?  that is small i guess because others have 100 btc max bet limit but they are slightly big anyway than this site and they say they will lift the limit  over time  but i agree that withdrawal limit should be lowered too because its hard to reach that amount for small players , what can only happen is that they will loose before they reach it . its okay if you have other coin choices that has a low withdraw limit because other sites have it and small players can easily convert the coin from one another  .

100 BTC max bet? Do you  fallen off from the pyramid? Sorry...Such wonders are only available in Russian casinos.

Just for example:
Slots game: bet 100 BTC and win x1000 (5 scatters for example). So..
Please post there a list of your loved casinos, who can, want and pays 100 000 BTC to the winner.

We operate fair casino, and always can pay our winners, and not wery high amounts are paid automaticaly (instant), withouth any approvals..

[bittrafficme]

There are many reasons why withdrawals currently  are $100. The main reason is not to become a "free crypto exchange".

Why people should use your site as free crypto exchange? Any good reasons for people to use your site for such purpose? No offenses, even if people is interested to use gambling site as an exchange then they will choose popular and trusted sites first instead of a new site like yours.
You have so low maximum winning per bet but you have too high minimum withdrawal. Small players wont be interested because of your high min withdrawal and on bug players wont be interested because of your low max win per bet. I wonder what kind of players you are looking for to come on your site.

Today we have raised the max bet to 500 credits (5 USDT). Later it will be raised up to 10000.
But at the moment we can't do it to avoid problems if we had to pay out a very large win.
It's all just about maintaining a conscientious reputation at our https://coins777.com casino.

Have you just raised it again? I see a win over 800 credit under the recent games information. So how much is your current max allowed bet?
I believe you need to reduce the minimum withdrawal as well if you wanna attract players. It is just not making any senses if you have higher minimum withdrawal than max allowed bet.

500 usdt max bet ? means 5 dollar  ?  that is small i guess because others have 100 btc max bet limit but they are slightly big anyway than this site and they say they will lift the limit  over time  but i agree that withdrawal limit should be lowered too because its hard to reach that amount for small players , what can only happen is that they will loose before they reach it . its okay if you have other coin choices that has a low withdraw limit because other sites have it and small players can easily convert the coin from one another  .

Hi,
Max bet was updated to 1000 credits
1000 credits = 10 USDT

[bittrafficme]

It's not that good and I kind of familiar with the designs of the website. I suggest what Doublerhunter did suggest so that gamblers that will access your site would read the FAQ right away. You have did the same thing as the other gambling sits that have support chat on the website. I do hope that it's available 24/7 and gamblers would just ask and get answer by you or any of your team members.

Sorry, I do noy understand you.

[gudayuzazo]

i don't recommend this casino,they only let you cashout after you Deposit at least 100$,(and they won't tell you that when you deposit less,just when you try to cashout)and the maximum bet is 1000 points ($10) ,its impossible to be profitable theres no way to do martingale or anything

[gudayuzazo]

even if you bet for fun or small ammounts you wont get paid,high hollers stay away

[panjul07]

i don't recommend this casino,they only let you cashout after you Deposit at least 100$,(and they won't tell you that when you deposit less,just when you try to cashout)and the maximum bet is 1000 points ($10) ,its impossible to be profitable theres no way to do martingale or anything

$100 minimum (maybe total) deposit requirement before players are able to request for withdrawal? Is this a joke?
Never heard any sites has this kind of requirement, if it is true and if the site do not tell players through faq page/ToS page then it can be called as a trap.
Coming up to max bet, it is indeed so low (probably the lowest max bet in this bitcoin gambling industry).

[bittrafficme]

i don't recommend this casino,they only let you cashout after you Deposit at least 100$,(and they won't tell you that when you deposit less,just when you try to cashout)and the maximum bet is 1000 points ($10) ,its impossible to be profitable theres no way to do martingale or anything

Hi, gudayuzazo,
you are not right.

I have created screenshoot of coins777 website withdrawals section for you.



1. Min withdrawal amount
10000 credits = 100 USDT (apart cryptocurrencies, we offer payouts via bank transfers, so this is a fixed minimum with us.)
2. Max withdrawal amount
50000 credits = 500 USDT / per single withdrawal. (this is because we operate 30 cryptocurrencies and if you have won 1500 usdt and you want to cash out in a currency that is not enough money for us to pay off, we pay can in several payments separately.)
4. Min total deposit to allow withdrawals
3001 credits = 30.01 USDT

*we sometimes change the settings depending on the different promotions

and what you mean "maximum bet is 1000 points ($10) ,its impossible to be profitable theres no way to do martingale or anything" - I didn't understand, maybe you can write  logically...

[bittrafficme]

even if you bet for fun or small ammounts you wont get paid,high hollers stay away

Lots of people have various shitcryptos balances that can be deposit +bonus and play, have a good time, fortunately cash in btc or eth or other good currency.. in our online crypto casino https://coins777.com
 

[gudayuzazo]

i don't recommend this casino,they only let you cashout after you Deposit at least 100$,(and they won't tell you that when you deposit less,just when you try to cashout)and the maximum bet is 1000 points ($10) ,its impossible to be profitable theres no way to do martingale or anything

Hi, gudayuzazo,
you are not right.

I have created screenshoot of coins777 website withdrawals section for you.



1. Min withdrawal amount
10000 credits = 100 USDT (apart cryptocurrencies, we offer payouts via bank transfers, so this is a fixed minimum with us.)
2. Max withdrawal amount
50000 credits = 500 USDT / per single withdrawal. (this is because we operate 30 cryptocurrencies and if you have won 1500 usdt and you want to cash out in a currency that is not enough money for us to pay off, we pay can in several payments separately.)
4. Min total deposit to allow withdrawals
3001 credits = 30.01 USDT

*we sometimes change the settings depending on the different promotions

and what you mean "maximum bet is 1000 points ($10) ,its impossible to be profitable theres no way to do martingale or anything" - I didn't understand, maybe you can write  logically...

HAHAHAHA LOOK AT THAT, i just deposit another 10$ !!! to finally be able to withdrawn my money and he just took it up to 30$ minimum deposit to cashout  (hes third change in a SINGLE DAY ) after my cashouts attempts: https://imgur.com/a/5V0fHya , i think its clear what this guys doing ,MODS please do something or the casino owner could at least have the decency of paying the 30$ that i deposited overall

[gudayuzazo]

HE CHANGED THE FUCKING PICTURE ,omg

hes original post https://imgur.com/a/MZx7Ryx

[AlexSimion]

HE CHANGED THE FUCKING PICTURE ,omg

hes original post https://imgur.com/a/MZx7Ryx

I suggest you start a Scam Accusation against him and post all relevant proof .         Though it should be clear by now that no legitimate casino will ask you to deposit first a certain amount of money , which they can increase at their discretion to be able to withdraw your funds.

[gudayuzazo]

HE CHANGED THE FUCKING PICTURE ,omg

hes original post https://imgur.com/a/MZx7Ryx

I suggest you start a Scam Accusation against him and post all relevant proof .         Though it should be clear by now that no legitimate casino will ask you to deposit first a certain amount of money , which they can increase at their discretion to be able to withdraw your funds.

HERE https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233811.0

[gudayuzazo]

this guy's a scammer and won't pay me back ,watch out guys https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233811.0

[bittrafficme]

i don't recommend this casino,they only let you cashout after you Deposit at least 100$,(and they won't tell you that when you deposit less,just when you try to cashout)and the maximum bet is 1000 points ($10) ,its impossible to be profitable theres no way to do martingale or anything

Hi, gudayuzazo,
you are not right.

I have created screenshoot of coins777 website withdrawals section for you.



1. Min withdrawal amount
10000 credits = 100 USDT (apart cryptocurrencies, we offer payouts via bank transfers, so this is a fixed minimum with us.)
2. Max withdrawal amount
50000 credits = 500 USDT / per single withdrawal. (this is because we operate 30 cryptocurrencies and if you have won 1500 usdt and you want to cash out in a currency that is not enough money for us to pay off, we pay can in several payments separately.)
4. Min total deposit to allow withdrawals
3001 credits = 30.01 USDT

*we sometimes change the settings depending on the different promotions

and what you mean "maximum bet is 1000 points ($10) ,its impossible to be profitable theres no way to do martingale or anything" - I didn't understand, maybe you can write  logically...

And as always, scammers cry loudest!! gudayuzazo, scammer is you.

We do not banned you instantly, just because it took us 2 days to figure out how you get winnings when your account is actually NEGATIVE.
You sending multiple requests to play games simultaneously via some 3rd party tool or script. That caused the app to create multiple account transactions.
Example:
====================
87147 Dice #71939 +1055.60 4668.06 2020-03-18 14:16:04
87146 Dice #71939 +1055.60 4668.06 2020-03-18 14:16:04
87145 Dice #71939 +1055.60 4668.06 2020-03-18 14:16:04
87144 Dice #71939 +1055.60 4668.06 2020-03-18 14:16:04
87143 Dice #71939 +55.60 3668.06 2020-03-18 14:16:03
===================
Yesterday was implemented a patch to prevent it.
So That's what makes you very nervous.

Actual your balance is negative, and you banned today.


Also you must be banned from this forum as a scammer.
I have all your game data, and your location (Israel), IP, and ISP as proof. So better remove your scam messages yourself

=========
For all owners who use the same script.
- An update was created yesterday, update your script from provider to newest version (1.2.7), and it fix it all.

[bittrafficme]

HE CHANGED THE FUCKING PICTURE ,omg

No need to cry when you try to cheat and fail. 

[bittrafficme]

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[bittrafficme]

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[bittrafficme]

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[everest777]

Signed up 2 days ago. Todsy I received $55.25 payout via ETH. Good casino, no problem.

[everest777]

coin slots is very nice

[everest777]

for me is all very good.. i do not know. please DM https://oins777.com/users/216 if u have something

[everest777]

?

[bittrafficme]

I read a lot of reviews. I got the impression that this site is unreliable.

Hi, brand new 24/7 Support and Info site: https://blog.coins777.com/

[gadado]

I am watching this site, but the 33% bonus is bit strange value. Why not give 30 or 40% ?

[bittrafficme]

I am watching this site, but the 33% bonus is bit strange value. Why not give 30 or 40% ?

Deposit 30, and you get 40 (with 33% bonus) hat’s exactly numbers what you wanted

- And really, why should bonuses be just even numbers?

[BTCLiz]

I am watching this site, but the 33% bonus is bit strange value. Why not give 30 or 40% ?

This is kind of a usual strategy for most companies, because numbers like 22 33 44 55 are better to remember and have a psychological effect on your mind.

[ramim101]

yo this guys had negative rating should i trust this site ?

[bittrafficme]

I am watching this site, but the 33% bonus is bit strange value. Why not give 30 or 40% ?

This is kind of a usual strategy for most companies, because numbers like 22 33 44 55 are better to remember and have a psychological effect on your mind.

Hi BTCLiz, you are right... 22 33 44 55 77 99 and 111% is best for a psychological effect
Unfortunately, because we have games like blackjack, video poker and baccarat, we can’t offer a 111% bonus (simply because such games only give in 0.5-2.5% profit gor casino on average).
 

[bittrafficme]

yo this guys had negative rating should i trust this site ?

Hi ramim101!
Do you mean:
"Warning: One or more bitcointalk.org users have..."

- Day by day, we are faced with machination schemes that sometimes cost us thousands.
I will not go into details, you can find all the information I have provided about this scamer user, for which we now have this warning.

Don't believe in anything but yourself BTC

[bittrafficme]

I just wanna greet you here a warm welcome to the Bitcointalk gambling community. After reading the head title of this thread, I thought this is like (https://777coin.com/) and they had already a business here a long time ago in having a signature campaign. To compete with them, probably it is a good decision of looking for another domain name. I looked up the site but I did not see the FAQ for the serious possible queries.

Dear DoublerHunter
I can finally respond to your comment..

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[bittrafficme]

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[tippytoes]

Maybe you need to run sig campaign here in the forum handled by one of the reputable managers so you can attract more players on your site. I think one hesitation is that you have negative trust and most users will not investigate on their own about the validity of the allegation. Once you have negative trust, they have the line of thought that the site you are promoting might screw them.

[huynhthai12384]

SCAM 100% . I got won from sign up bonus up to 5000 Credit . Tried make cashout but required me deposit at least 5000 Credit . about 0.006btc . can withdrawal it . contact to support then they banned me .

STAY AWAY THIS SITE

[bittrafficme]

SCAM 100% . I got won from sign up bonus up to 5000 Credit . Tried make cashout but required me deposit at least 5000 Credit . about 0.006btc . can withdrawal it . contact to support then they banned me .

huynhthai12384
You atacked us an week but you couldn’t explain what you wanted. 100 times I asked you (Live csupport chat, and later via telegram) - wat you want, how I can help you?




Your account was banned, all ad your payments was refunded to you!

- oh no, you didn’t make any payments never, but you have a million reproaches?

 
Anyway, we can unban / restore your account, if you read this:

https://blog.coins777.com/withdrawals
https://blog.coins777.com/ufaqs/are-there-any-restrictions-on-withdrawals

[bittrafficme]

Maybe you need to run sig campaign here in the forum handled by one of the reputable managers so you can attract more players on your site. I think one hesitation is that you have negative trust and most users will not investigate on their own about the validity of the allegation. Once you have negative trust, they have the line of thought that the site you are promoting might screw them.

Hi, Im interesting, But I have already received an offer from bitcointalk.org user TalkStar

[jademaxsuy]

SCAM 100% . I got won from sign up bonus up to 5000 Credit . Tried make cashout but required me deposit at least 5000 Credit . about 0.006btc . can withdrawal it . contact to support then they banned me .

huynhthai12384
You atacked us an week but you couldn’t explain what you wanted. 100 times I asked you (Live csupport chat, and later via telegram) - wat you want, how I can help you?

Interesting claim in the quote above. I'm also curious if when a gambler in your site wants to withdraw then he/she requires to deposit first?. As what I understand from the screenshot is that the person said that he must deposit first before able to withdras his 4k+ money from his account.

[bittrafficme]

Interesting claim in the quote above. I'm also curious if when a gambler in your site wants to withdraw then he/she requires to deposit first?. As what I understand from the screenshot is that the person said that he must deposit first before able to withdras his 4k+ money from his account.

Hi, yes, any user, before can withdraw, must be deposited at least 5000 credits = $50 USDT . And of course he can withdraw it all.
For real players is not a problem, but a big problem for warious spammers, who wants / can register hundred accounts with temporary emails per day (and etc..), to try earn with free given credits.

Of course there is an another way - If we remove free credits giveway, and then we can remove all limitations for withdrawals.. result be the same.

No one has the idea to cheat in a own project that has spent thousands of hours working (and I won't even talk about how much advertising costs). We really don’t need cheat someone for an $10. This is ridiculous. With 10$ in my country you can hire programist for 15 minutes to an work (or buy 2 cups of latte)...
But day by day someone wants to cheat us and it doesn't cost them anything to post comments later like " SCAAAM..bla blah blah "..

I hope you understand me?

[alexrossi]

Is possible to have a "testnet" version (or with fun tokens) to check first the provably fair system?

[BTCLiz]

I am watching this site, but the 33% bonus is bit strange value. Why not give 30 or 40% ?

This is kind of a usual strategy for most companies, because numbers like 22 33 44 55 are better to remember and have a psychological effect on your mind.

Hi BTCLiz, you are right... 22 33 44 55 77 99 and 111% is best for a psychological effect
Unfortunately, because we have games like blackjack, video poker and baccarat, we can’t offer a 111% bonus (simply because such games only give in 0.5-2.5% profit gor casino on average).
 

I really appreciate that you are honest in this case with not claiming about high winning rates for the users.

What about offering Poker?

[bittrafficme]

I am watching this site, but the 33% bonus is bit strange value. Why not give 30 or 40% ?

This is kind of a usual strategy for most companies, because numbers like 22 33 44 55 are better to remember and have a psychological effect on your mind.

Hi BTCLiz, you are right... 22 33 44 55 77 99 and 111% is best for a psychological effect
Unfortunately, because we have games like blackjack, video poker and baccarat, we can’t offer a 111% bonus (simply because such games only give in 0.5-2.5% profit gor casino on average).
 

I really appreciate that you are honest in this case with not claiming about high winning rates for the users.

What about offering Poker?

Hi BTCLiz,

what do you mean "What about offering Poker?" ?
Info about Video Poker game:
https://blog.coins777.com/video-poker

[bittrafficme]

Is possible to have a "testnet" version (or with fun tokens) to check first the provably fair system?

Hello,

we can add any erc-20 token, but this token became a real, and deposited tokens will be available to withdraw in another crypto...

To test provably fair system, register free https://coins777.com and you will receive free 99 credits instantly. Go to any game page, hover on right-bottom icon, and you can check..

[BTCLiz]

Hello, I have got a question:

Is the promo with 0.01 mBTC still running? I asked this question already in another thread but noboy replied.

[Bitinity]

Hello, I have got a question:

Is the promo with 0.01 mBTC still running? I asked this question already in another thread but noboy replied.

You are in the wrong topic, I believe you are asking about the giveaway of the site on your signature. This topic belongs to different site but indeed quite similar name. The one you are asking for is giveaway from 777coin while this topic belongs to coins777.

[bittrafficme]

Hello, I have got a question:

Is the promo with 0.01 mBTC still running? I asked this question already in another thread but noboy replied.

Hello,



Our promos and giveways page: https://blog.coins777.com/category/promos-giveways

[cabron]

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Tried going there https://coins777.com/games/multiplayer-blackjack but I see no rooms. It should be good to try this at least you will just lose few dollars sing the credits than playing with BTC.  You might wanna wait first because there is no existing room. If would be good if there is someone out there who just wait for anyone to come in.

This is the same thing with video poker that we need to join rooms too?

[everest777]

as seen on game info page, empty rooms deleting automaticaly, but anyone can create rooms

[bittrafficme]

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Tried going there https://coins777.com/games/multiplayer-blackjack but I see no rooms. It should be good to try this at least you will just lose few dollars sing the credits than playing with BTC.  You might wanna wait first because there is no existing room. If would be good if there is someone out there who just wait for anyone to come in.

This is the same thing with video poker that we need to join rooms too?

Hi!
You can create roms free.
When you create game room, you will set your own rules:
1. Bet amount for every game.
2. Number of players required to join the game room (including you).
When you create a new room, you have to wait for the other players to join. Also you can join free to any existing room.

Please check Live Multiplayer Blackjack info page: https://blog.coins777.com/multiplayer-blackjack

All other games are single player, no room needed to create, you can play instantly.

[bittrafficme]

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Learn more: https://blog.coins777.com/multiplayer-blackjack

Tried going there https://coins777.com/games/multiplayer-blackjack but I see no rooms. It should be good to try this at least you will just lose few dollars sing the credits than playing with BTC.  You might wanna wait first because there is no existing room. If would be good if there is someone out there who just wait for anyone to come in.

This is the same thing with video poker that we need to join rooms too?

P.S.
Sorry, However, there is an bug here since the last update. New game rooms in Multiplayer Blackjack are not visible. We will fix this ASAP....

[bittrafficme]

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Tried going there https://coins777.com/games/multiplayer-blackjack but I see no rooms. It should be good to try this at least you will just lose few dollars sing the credits than playing with BTC.  You might wanna wait first because there is no existing room. If would be good if there is someone out there who just wait for anyone to come in.

This is the same thing with video poker that we need to join rooms too?

FIXED!
https://coins777.com/games/multiplayer-blackjack

[Negotiation]

I am watching this site, but the 33% bonus is bit strange value. Why not give 30 or 40% ?

This is kind of a usual strategy for most companies, because numbers like 22 33 44 55 are better to remember and have a psychological effect on your mind.

In the case of casino games the higher the amount of bonus, the higher the value of the game. Fair Crypto Casino is much better but many companies are already deleting it and the amount of bonus is decreasing. Properly covered it will withstand a lot of adverse conditions.

[bittrafficme]

I am watching this site, but the 33% bonus is bit strange value. Why not give 30 or 40% ?

This is kind of a usual strategy for most companies, because numbers like 22 33 44 55 are better to remember and have a psychological effect on your mind.

In the case of casino games the higher the amount of bonus, the higher the value of the game. Fair Crypto Casino is much better but many companies are already deleting it and the amount of bonus is decreasing. Properly covered it will withstand a lot of adverse conditions.

Strange saying. I did not understand anything.

[nakamura12]

Your platform have different games which is good to try out many games that may suit your taste in gambling. I want to know why choose same domain name as 777coin.com as shown in my signature field. I suggest to clear things out first before competing to other sites and run your platform.

tried to register but never got that verification email, any ideas ?

Try to check it in the spam.

[joksim299]

Your platform have different games which is good to try out many games that may suit your taste in gambling. I want to know why choose same domain name as 777coin.com as shown in my signature field. I suggest to clear things out first before competing to other sites and run your platform.

tried to register but never got that verification email, any ideas ?

Try to check it in the spam.

It is built with complete turn key solution for hundred bucks with some minor changes, everybody can buy it https://codecanyon.net/item/crypto-casino-slot-machine-online-gambling-platform-laravel-5-application/23088602. That is the reason why new casinos popping on daily basis using exact same script.
I do not think that they didn't know for 777Coin casino.

[bittrafficme]

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[bittrafficme]

Your platform have different games which is good to try out many games that may suit your taste in gambling. I want to know why choose same domain name as 777coin.com as shown in my signature field. I suggest to clear things out first before competing to other sites and run your platform.

tried to register but never got that verification email, any ideas ?

Try to check it in the spam.

Hi nakamura12,
no, It’s just a similar coincidence...
We have already talked about this here, and that I should not repeat the sketches I consulted with the world-class designer Roland Design.
There are 2 of 4 skecthches.

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[dhiraj0977]

Many people prefer to play casino because there is a chance to win and they think that they will obligatory will if they will play.

[imstillthebest]

Many people prefer to play casino because there is a chance to win

and who says there is no chance to win on a casino ? except if its a scam casino ofc  but chances of winning isnt the reason why many people play on a casino  . some people play too because its fun  .

and they think that they will obligatory will if they will play.

huh ? we arent obligued to play  but if you are obligued its bad to stay on there because thats clear that they only want your money   . 

site here have many game variation and one that is new to me is the live multiplayer blackjack  . i noticed too that sites domain sounds familiar to other casino site

[bittrafficme]

Many people prefer to play casino because there is a chance to win and they think that they will obligatory will if they will play.

All games are provably fair. You can win in all games. Read game descriptions in our blog https://blog.coins777.com/games .
And the whole other question is - can you stop in time?
If no one loses, there will be nothing to win for others. Such a life...

[Bitcas]

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[AmoreJaz]

Many people prefer to play casino because there is a chance to win

and who says there is no chance to win on a casino ? except if its a scam casino ofc  but chances of winning isnt the reason why many people play on a casino  . some people play too because its fun  .

and they think that they will obligatory will if they will play.

huh ? we arent obligued to play  but if you are obligued its bad to stay on there because thats clear that they only want your money   . 

site here have many game variation and one that is new to me is the live multiplayer blackjack  . i noticed too that sites domain sounds familiar to other casino site

if you dont want to lose, then dont play in a casino. as simple as that! and yes, no one is obliging you to play on their site..it is your choice whether you play or deposit big amount.

@dhiraj0977 - seems that you dont know the motto of casinos - rake money as much as they can!

if you think you have no chance then dont ever think of signing up

[maxreish]

I've visited it and I liked how great the bonuses are. 25%-50% credit for $50-$100 deposit. Not all gambling site has this offer. Already signed up and there are different kind of slots games that player will probably enjoy, do you perhaps planning to have some faucets? And mines games or crash as well?

[panjul07]

I've visited it and I liked how great the bonuses are. 25%-50% credit for $50-$100 deposit. Not all gambling site has this offer. Already signed up and there are different kind of slots games that player will probably enjoy, do you perhaps planning to have some faucets? And mines games or crash as well?

Be sure to check the terms and conditions about the deposit bonus first before you are going to take it.
There is no faucet but there is a sign up bonus where you can use it to try their games, so adding faucet is not needed.
Frankly speaking, I wont suggest you to deposit and play in this site as they did suspicious activity in the past (read the trust rating for more info) but there is still lack of proofs that this site is doing better to serve the players.
But if you are going to take the risk, so best luck for you.

[TimeTeller]

I've visited it and I liked how great the bonuses are. 25%-50% credit for $50-$100 deposit. Not all gambling site has this offer. Already signed up and there are different kind of slots games that player will probably enjoy, do you perhaps planning to have some faucets? And mines games or crash as well?

Be sure to check the terms and conditions about the deposit bonus first before you are going to take it.
There is no faucet but there is a sign up bonus where you can use it to try their games, so adding faucet is not needed.
Frankly speaking, I wont suggest you to deposit and play in this site as they did suspicious activity in the past (read the trust rating for more info) but there is still lack of proofs that this site is doing better to serve the players.
But if you are going to take the risk, so best luck for you.

I agree, deposit bonus can be availed once you fulfil their requirements.
It depends on the casino, sometimes they have wagering requirements.
You can find their promos/giveaways here.

https://blog.coins777.com/category/promos-giveways

Also, take note of their withdrawal restrictions, which is equivalent to 50USDT.

[bittrafficme]

Also, take note of their withdrawal restrictions, which is equivalent to 50USDT.

This information in our blog is a bit outdated. The current requirement is $25

[bittrafficme]

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[Lhaine]

Also, take note of their withdrawal restrictions, which is equivalent to 50USDT.

This information in our blog is a bit outdated. The current requirement is $25

and for the bonus how much target we need to get and fulfill the requirements  needed to be able to withdraw the bonus you give for first  deposits?

[bittrafficme]

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[bittrafficme]

Also, take note of their withdrawal restrictions, which is equivalent to 50USDT.

This information in our blog is a bit outdated. The current requirement is $25

and for the bonus how much target we need to get and fulfill the requirements  needed to be able to withdraw the bonus you give for first  deposits?

• Min withdrawal: $20
• Min deposit to unlock witdrawals: $20
• No wager requirements for profit withdrawals.

Bonuses: https://blog.coins777.com/bonuses

[bittrafficme]

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[Danslip]

Also, take note of their withdrawal restrictions, which is equivalent to 50USDT.

This information in our blog is a bit outdated. The current requirement is $25

and for the bonus how much target we need to get and fulfill the requirements  needed to be able to withdraw the bonus you give for first  deposits?

• Min withdrawal: $20
• Min deposit to unlock witdrawals: $20
• No wager requirements for profit withdrawals.

Bonuses: https://blog.coins777.com/bonuses

Isn't it tricky to deposit $20 for unlocking $20? Who guarantees my account will not be blocked with shady KYC themes after making deposit?

Come on guys, we all know how you turn the welcome promo scheme. The more gamblers you attract to websites, the more chances of getting reward will increase thanks to trapped customers.

[LimLims]

Also, take note of their withdrawal restrictions, which is equivalent to 50USDT.

This information in our blog is a bit outdated. The current requirement is $25

and for the bonus how much target we need to get and fulfill the requirements  needed to be able to withdraw the bonus you give for first  deposits?

• Min withdrawal: $20
• Min deposit to unlock witdrawals: $20
• No wager requirements for profit withdrawals.

Bonuses: https://blog.coins777.com/bonuses

Isn't it tricky to deposit $20 for unlocking $20? Who guarantees my account will not be blocked with shady KYC themes after making deposit?

Well said mate!
First of all the casino must ensure all it's policy and terms transparently.
As far the KYC thing gone, if this truly happens, then i bet many gamblers will frown upon this.
No single Gambler likes to reveal his identity in order to claim his Prizes.
So for a new site like Coins777, it should be better if you guys show transparency in every perspective of the game.
Still let's hope for the best and wish you Good Luck Coins777 team.

[baxterx]

Where are all the games? Can I deposit with Ideal?

[bittrafficme]

Where are all the games? Can I deposit with Ideal?

Hi, you can find all games at the homepage https://coins777.com/ or in the left side navigation menu (when loged in).
Unfortunately only cryptocurrency deposits and withdrawals...

[bittrafficme]

Also, take note of their withdrawal restrictions, which is equivalent to 50USDT.

This information in our blog is a bit outdated. The current requirement is $25

and for the bonus how much target we need to get and fulfill the requirements  needed to be able to withdraw the bonus you give for first  deposits?

• Min withdrawal: $20
• Min deposit to unlock witdrawals: $20
• No wager requirements for profit withdrawals.

Bonuses: https://blog.coins777.com/bonuses

Isn't it tricky to deposit $20 for unlocking $20? Who guarantees my account will not be blocked with shady KYC themes after making deposit?

There are NO any KYC/MLM in our casino for crypto deposits and withdrawals.
Also maybe we will bring the minimum back to $25 as we lose about 20% if users withdrawing small amounts in bitcoins. Of course, $ 5 won’t help, but it will be the last correction.

[bittrafficme]

Well said mate!
First of all the casino must ensure all it's policy and terms transparently.
As far the KYC thing gone, if this truly happens, then i bet many gamblers will frown upon this.
No single Gambler likes to reveal his identity in order to claim his Prizes.
So for a new site like Coins777, it should be better if you guys show transparency in every perspective of the game.
Still let's hope for the best and wish you Good Luck Coins777 team.

Thanks, we will try we will try to find time to update policy pages in this weekend...
Anyway, we have no KYC requirements...

[bittrafficme]

Where are all the games? Can I deposit with Ideal?

Hi,
you can auto deposit in crypto only.
Manually you can deposit via Perfec Money, PAYEER, AdvCash & Webmoney
Also if you want to deposit in BANK wire (SEPA), I can provide our bank wire details for manual deposit.

Deposit/Withdraw to crypto - auto.
Deposit/Withdraw to bank wire (SEPA)/ electronic money - manual approval.

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[bittrafficme]

Also, take note of their withdrawal restrictions, which is equivalent to 50USDT.

This information in our blog is a bit outdated. The current requirement is $25

and for the bonus how much target we need to get and fulfill the requirements  needed to be able to withdraw the bonus you give for first  deposits?

Check out our new bonuses without any requirements: https://blog.coins777.com/bonuses

[Danslip]

Also, take note of their withdrawal restrictions, which is equivalent to 50USDT.

This information in our blog is a bit outdated. The current requirement is $25

and for the bonus how much target we need to get and fulfill the requirements  needed to be able to withdraw the bonus you give for first  deposits?

• Min withdrawal: $20
• Min deposit to unlock witdrawals: $20
• No wager requirements for profit withdrawals.

Bonuses: https://blog.coins777.com/bonuses

Isn't it tricky to deposit $20 for unlocking $20? Who guarantees my account will not be blocked with shady KYC themes after making deposit?

Well said mate!
First of all the casino must ensure all it's policy and terms transparently.
As far the KYC thing gone, if this truly happens, then i bet many gamblers will frown upon this.
No single Gambler likes to reveal his identity in order to claim his Prizes.
So for a new site like Coins777, it should be better if you guys show transparency in every perspective of the game.
Still let's hope for the best and wish you Good Luck Coins777 team.

Unfortunately, these things don't happen on parallel world, all my opinions are based on experience and reality.
Sudden mail can destroy my daily mood if there is a nice amount sitting on my casino account. The different excuses are used for not letting users to withdraw the winnings and deposit.

Also, take note of their withdrawal restrictions, which is equivalent to 50USDT.

This information in our blog is a bit outdated. The current requirement is $25

and for the bonus how much target we need to get and fulfill the requirements  needed to be able to withdraw the bonus you give for first  deposits?

• Min withdrawal: $20
• Min deposit to unlock witdrawals: $20
• No wager requirements for profit withdrawals.

Bonuses: https://blog.coins777.com/bonuses

Isn't it tricky to deposit $20 for unlocking $20? Who guarantees my account will not be blocked with shady KYC themes after making deposit?

There are NO any KYC/MLM in our casino for crypto deposits and withdrawals.
Also maybe we will bring the minimum back to $25 as we lose about 20% if users withdrawing small amounts in bitcoins. Of course, $ 5 won’t help, but it will be the last correction.

Your decision makes sense too but what about only increasing the BTC deposit/withdrawal limits? The other crypto deposit/withdrawal methods are dirty cheap, so it will suit the needs of both parties, IMHO.

[bittrafficme]

Your decision makes sense too but what about only increasing the BTC deposit/withdrawal limits? The other crypto deposit/withdrawal methods are dirty cheap, so it will suit the needs of both parties, IMHO.

Yes, you are righr, all about bitcoin, but we use a third party gateway for crypto deposits and withdrawals, and we cannot isolate bitcpoin only. Currently. 

[LimLims]

Dude there is no need of any promotions.
First of all seeing your red trust no member will even try to check your site.
You should first of all settle all the allegations that are pointed towards you.
Secondly after each and every matter has been solved, contact to DT to remove your negative trust.
Then only think of some sort of promotions or giveaways.
As a new Gambling casino no one (atleast from Bitcointalk) will pay a visit to your site.
So think about the future of the casino.
Goodluck Op.

[john_nautica]

Dude there is no need of any promotions.
First of all seeing your red trust no member will even try to check your site.
You should first of all settle all the allegations that are pointed towards you.
Secondly after each and every matter has been solved, contact to DT to remove your negative trust.
Then only think of some sort of promotions or giveaways.
As a new Gambling casino no one (atleast from Bitcointalk) will pay a visit to your site.
So think about the future of the casino.
Goodluck Op.

I agree. That is why reputation is very crucial in every industry. The trust of people are vulnerable and would most likely affect the success of a business, in this case the casino is at stake because of its past issues.

[bittrafficme]

Hello, I have got a question:

Is the promo with 0.01 mBTC still running? I asked this question already in another thread but noboy replied.

Hi, promo is up to +111%. Please check bonuses page: https://blog.coins777.com/bonuses

[bittrafficme]

Also, take note of their withdrawal restrictions, which is equivalent to 50USDT.

This information in our blog is a bit outdated. The current requirement is $25

and for the bonus how much target we need to get and fulfill the requirements  needed to be able to withdraw the bonus you give for first  deposits?

Hi
now is: https://blog.coins777.com/bonuses

[bittrafficme]

Dude there is no need of any promotions.
First of all seeing your red trust no member will even try to check your site.
You should first of all settle all the allegations that are pointed towards you.
Secondly after each and every matter has been solved, contact to DT to remove your negative trust.
Then only think of some sort of promotions or giveaways.
As a new Gambling casino no one (atleast from Bitcointalk) will pay a visit to your site.
So think about the future of the casino.
Goodluck Op.

I agree. That is why reputation is very crucial in every industry. The trust of people are vulnerable and would most likely affect the success of a business, in this case the casino is at stake because of its past issues.

There is no problem of reputation, day by day we are attacked by scammers. Don't mix HYPE with real casinos. If we were scammers, we would open new names and accounts..
Do we have to figure out every scam? We invest in improvement every day. Kam neoatinka, eikit nahui uzpisot dolbajobai.

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[Stakefast]

Be careful, this casino script was used in previous scam operations, do not invest into their bankroll! I made the same mistake and lost 0.1 Bitcoin ..

Only invest if you really know the owner or the company behind it.

[bittrafficme]

Be careful, this casino script was used in previous scam operations, do not invest into their bankroll! I made the same mistake and lost 0.1 Bitcoin ..

Only invest if you really know the owner or the company behind it.

We have no investment (https://coins777.com). You have confused the names of the casino.

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[TwitchySeal]

Hi,

It seems many of your games that are labeled as provably fair are not actually provably fair.

For example with card games, the only thing being proven is that the starting card of a pre shuffled deck is influenced by the player seed.  The actual shuffle is happening 100% on your end without transparency.

The deck could easily be stacked in a way that gives the house a greater edge than one that was shuffled in a provably fair way.  For example, in video poker, there's nothing preventing you checking to make sure that the Ace and King of each suit always has more than 8 cards separating them, which would make it impossible for a player to hit a royal flush.



And I can't find any real layouts for your slots (maybe I'm missing them somewhere).  If you're not providing reel layouts though, you're not really proving anything.

[bittrafficme]

Hi,

It seems many of your games that are labeled as provably fair are not actually provably fair.

For example with card games, the only thing being proven is that the starting card of a pre shuffled deck is influenced by the player seed.  The actual shuffle is happening 100% on your end without transparency.

The deck could easily be stacked in a way that gives the house a greater edge than one that was shuffled in a provably fair way.  For example, in video poker, there's nothing preventing you checking to make sure that the Ace and King of each suit always has more than 8 cards separating them, which would make it impossible for a player to hit a royal flush.


And I can't find any real layouts for your slots (maybe I'm missing them somewhere).  If you're not providing reel layouts though, you're not really proving anything.

you are talking some fantasies. All games are 100% provably fair. More infoin game info pages: https://blog.coins777.com/games

[TwitchySeal]

Hi,

It seems many of your games that are labeled as provably fair are not actually provably fair.

For example with card games, the only thing being proven is that the starting card of a pre shuffled deck is influenced by the player seed.  The actual shuffle is happening 100% on your end without transparency.

The deck could easily be stacked in a way that gives the house a greater edge than one that was shuffled in a provably fair way.  For example, in video poker, there's nothing preventing you checking to make sure that the Ace and King of each suit always has more than 8 cards separating them, which would make it impossible for a player to hit a royal flush.



And I can't find any real layouts for your slots (maybe I'm missing them somewhere).  If you're not providing reel layouts though, you're not really proving anything.

you are talking some fantasies. All games are 100% provably fair. More infoin game info pages: https://blog.coins777.com/games

Those screen shots I posted are from your game info pages.

Where are the reel layouts for slots?

How can you prove your card games are fair when the server generates the 'randomly shuffled deck' on it's own?

[bittrafficme]

Those screen shots I posted are from your game info pages.

Where are the reel layouts for slots?

How can you prove your card games are fair when the server generates the 'randomly shuffled deck' on it's own?

Hi,
on each game page, you will find info symbol. When clicked, you will see ID and hash.
After the game, check in detail on the Account > Transactions> Transaction ID > Verify

The same on card games and all games at all.

https://coins777.com
 

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[TwitchySeal]

Those screen shots I posted are from your game info pages.

Where are the reel layouts for slots?

How can you prove your card games are fair when the server generates the 'randomly shuffled deck' on it's own?

Hi,
on each game page, you will find info symbol. When clicked, you will see ID and hash.
After the game, check in detail on the Account > Transactions> Transaction ID > Verify

The same on card games and all games at all.

https://coins777.com
 

Thanks.  I was able to find the reel layouts, it's good you provide them.

So the way you're determining the result in slots and video poker is by generating a result, hashing and providing that to the player for later verification, and then taking the player seed to mutate it into the final result.

The problem is that there's no way to prove to the player that you aren't intentionally manipulating the initial result before hashing it and providing it to the player.

The video poker example is the easiest to grasp:

In order for the player to have a chance at hitting a royal flush, there needs to be 5 royal flush cards spanning no more than 10 cards in the initial 'shuffle'.  If there aren't, the player has a 0% chance of hitting a royal flush no matter where they 'cut' the deck.

You could be checking each generated result to see if 5 royal cards are close enough and, if they are, generate a new one and replace it, and the player would never know.  As long as this is the case, your game isn't provably fair.  

Does that make sense?

Seems you intend to just ignore and hope this goes away.  Bad idea.
Now that you're aware that your games aren't provably fair, you're intentionally deceiving players by leaving the provably fair claims up.

Why not just take them down and be honest about the whole thing?

[bittrafficme]

Those screen shots I posted are from your game info pages.

Where are the reel layouts for slots?

How can you prove your card games are fair when the server generates the 'randomly shuffled deck' on it's own?

Hi,
on each game page, you will find info symbol. When clicked, you will see ID and hash.
After the game, check in detail on the Account > Transactions> Transaction ID > Verify

The same on card games and all games at all.

https://coins777.com
 

Thanks.  I was able to find the reel layouts, it's good you provide them.

So the way you're determining the result in slots and video poker is by generating a result, hashing and providing that to the player for later verification, and then taking the player seed to mutate it into the final result.

The problem is that there's no way to prove to the player that you aren't intentionally manipulating the initial result before hashing it and providing it to the player.

The video poker example is the easiest to grasp:

In order for the player to have a chance at hitting a royal flush, there needs to be 5 royal flush cards spanning no more than 10 cards in the initial 'shuffle'.  If there aren't, the player has a 0% chance of hitting a royal flush no matter where they 'cut' the deck.

You could be checking each generated result to see if 5 royal cards are close enough and, if they are, generate a new one and replace it, and the player would never know.  As long as this is the case, your game isn't provably fair.  

Does that make sense?

Seems you intend to just ignore and hope this goes away.  Bad idea.
Now that you're aware that your games aren't provably fair, you're intentionally deceiving players by leaving the provably fair claims up.

Why not just take them down and be honest about the whole thing?

Hi,  i don't understand what kind of problem you find. I have already said that all games are conscientious and verifiable. Game developers have no intention of creating games that would be dishonest. Game developers make money by creating games well. Sign up and try free https://coins777.com

[TwitchySeal]

Those screen shots I posted are from your game info pages.

Where are the reel layouts for slots?

How can you prove your card games are fair when the server generates the 'randomly shuffled deck' on it's own?

Hi,
on each game page, you will find info symbol. When clicked, you will see ID and hash.
After the game, check in detail on the Account > Transactions> Transaction ID > Verify

The same on card games and all games at all.

https://coins777.com
 

Thanks.  I was able to find the reel layouts, it's good you provide them.

So the way you're determining the result in slots and video poker is by generating a result, hashing and providing that to the player for later verification, and then taking the player seed to mutate it into the final result.

The problem is that there's no way to prove to the player that you aren't intentionally manipulating the initial result before hashing it and providing it to the player.

The video poker example is the easiest to grasp:

In order for the player to have a chance at hitting a royal flush, there needs to be 5 royal flush cards spanning no more than 10 cards in the initial 'shuffle'.  If there aren't, the player has a 0% chance of hitting a royal flush no matter where they 'cut' the deck.

You could be checking each generated result to see if 5 royal cards are close enough and, if they are, generate a new one and replace it, and the player would never know.  As long as this is the case, your game isn't provably fair.  

Does that make sense?

Seems you intend to just ignore and hope this goes away.  Bad idea.
Now that you're aware that your games aren't provably fair, you're intentionally deceiving players by leaving the provably fair claims up.

Why not just take them down and be honest about the whole thing?

Hi,  i don't understand what kind of problem you find. I have already said that all games are conscientious and verifiable. Game developers have no intention of creating games that would be dishonest. Game developers make money by creating games well. Sign up and try free https://coins777.com

It's not a matter of whether players are being cheated or what the software developers intentions are.  If you can't prove that the games are fair, you shouldn't tell people they are provably fair.

Think about the example I provided:

Using your system, you could cheat players by making sure that no deck is used that contains 5 royal cards within 10 cards of each other, and the player would never know.  Therefore, it's not provably fair.

I'm not saying you are cheating players.  I'm not saying you will cheat them in the future.  I'm not even saying you have the technical knowledge to cheat cheat them.  All I'm saying is that if you did cheat players, players wouldn't be able to prove it.

So don't tell players the games are provably fair, because they aren't.

[TwitchySeal]

BUMP

Those screen shots I posted are from your game info pages.

Where are the reel layouts for slots?

How can you prove your card games are fair when the server generates the 'randomly shuffled deck' on it's own?

Hi,
on each game page, you will find info symbol. When clicked, you will see ID and hash.
After the game, check in detail on the Account > Transactions> Transaction ID > Verify

The same on card games and all games at all.

https://coins777.com
 

Thanks.  I was able to find the reel layouts, it's good you provide them.

So the way you're determining the result in slots and video poker is by generating a result, hashing and providing that to the player for later verification, and then taking the player seed to mutate it into the final result.

The problem is that there's no way to prove to the player that you aren't intentionally manipulating the initial result before hashing it and providing it to the player.

The video poker example is the easiest to grasp:

In order for the player to have a chance at hitting a royal flush, there needs to be 5 royal flush cards spanning no more than 10 cards in the initial 'shuffle'.  If there aren't, the player has a 0% chance of hitting a royal flush no matter where they 'cut' the deck.

You could be checking each generated result to see if 5 royal cards are close enough and, if they are, generate a new one and replace it, and the player would never know.  As long as this is the case, your game isn't provably fair.  

Does that make sense?

Seems you intend to just ignore and hope this goes away.  Bad idea.
Now that you're aware that your games aren't provably fair, you're intentionally deceiving players by leaving the provably fair claims up.

Why not just take them down and be honest about the whole thing?

Hi,  i don't understand what kind of problem you find. I have already said that all games are conscientious and verifiable. Game developers have no intention of creating games that would be dishonest. Game developers make money by creating games well. Sign up and try free https://coins777.com

It's not a matter of whether players are being cheated or what the software developers intentions are.  If you can't prove that the games are fair, you shouldn't tell people they are provably fair.

Think about the example I provided:

Using your system, you could cheat players by making sure that no deck is used that contains 5 royal cards within 10 cards of each other, and the player would never know.  Therefore, it's not provably fair.

I'm not saying you are cheating players.  I'm not saying you will cheat them in the future.  I'm not even saying you have the technical knowledge to cheat cheat them.  All I'm saying is that if you did cheat players, players wouldn't be able to prove it.

So don't tell players the games are provably fair, because they aren't.

[bittrafficme]

Hi,

It seems many of your games that are labeled as provably fair are not actually provably fair.

For example with card games, the only thing being proven is that the starting card of a pre shuffled deck is influenced by the player seed.  The actual shuffle is happening 100% on your end without transparency.

The deck could easily be stacked in a way that gives the house a greater edge than one that was shuffled in a provably fair way.  For example, in video poker, there's nothing preventing you checking to make sure that the Ace and King of each suit always has more than 8 cards separating them, which would make it impossible for a player to hit a royal flush.

Answer
The important thing to note is that the card deck is shuffled before the game starts and before the player seed is passed and known by the server. This is guaranteed by revealing the server hash. Let's suppose the deck was shuffled or deliberately constructed in favor of the house. After the player starts a new game their seed is passed to the server. The server uses the seed to calculate the shift number (it's described how it's calculated on the provably fair verification page). Then the card deck is cut based on the shift number. The number of cards that will be cut is not known in advance (and can not be predicted without knowing the client seed), thus it's impossible to construct a deck that with any possible shift number would still provide advantage to the house. This makes it useless for the house to try to cheat and initially shuffle the deck in its favor.

And I can't find any real layouts for your slots (maybe I'm missing them somewhere).  If you're not providing reel layouts though, you're not really proving anything.

Answer
The layout of the reels is provided in the each Slots game page.

[TwitchySeal]

Answer
The important thing to note is that the card deck is shuffled before the game starts and before the player seed is passed and known by the server. This is guaranteed by revealing the server hash. Let's suppose the deck was shuffled or deliberately constructed in favor of the house. After the player starts a new game their seed is passed to the server. The server uses the seed to calculate the shift number (it's described how it's calculated on the provably fair verification page). Then the card deck is cut based on the shift number. The number of cards that will be cut is not known in advance (and can not be predicted without knowing the client seed), thus it's impossible to construct a deck that with any possible shift number would still provide advantage to the house. This makes it useless for the house to try to cheat and initially shuffle the deck in its favor.

No, it's not.

If the deck is constructed so that no A, K, Q, J, or T of the same suit had less than 11 cards between them, with the last card being considered next to the first card - a royal flush would be impossible to hit regardless of the seed the player chooses.\

In order for the game to be provably fair, the player seed needs to effect the initial shuffle - not simply where the pre shuffled deck starts dealing from.

Answer
The layout of the reels is provided in the each Slots game page.

Yeah I already mentioned I found them.

Thanks.  I was able to find the reel layouts, it's good you provide them.

But like in video poker, the player seed is limited in what it can influence since the initial result is generated non transparently. 

[TwitchySeal]

Answer
The important thing to note is that the card deck is shuffled before the game starts and before the player seed is passed and known by the server. This is guaranteed by revealing the server hash. Let's suppose the deck was shuffled or deliberately constructed in favor of the house. After the player starts a new game their seed is passed to the server. The server uses the seed to calculate the shift number (it's described how it's calculated on the provably fair verification page). Then the card deck is cut based on the shift number. The number of cards that will be cut is not known in advance (and can not be predicted without knowing the client seed), thus it's impossible to construct a deck that with any possible shift number would still provide advantage to the house. This makes it useless for the house to try to cheat and initially shuffle the deck in its favor.

No, it's not.

If the deck is constructed so that no A, K, Q, J, or T of the same suit had less than 11 cards between them, with the last card being considered next to the first card - a royal flush would be impossible to hit regardless of the seed the player chooses.\

In order for the game to be provably fair, the player seed needs to effect the initial shuffle - not simply where the pre shuffled deck starts dealing from.

Answer
The layout of the reels is provided in the each Slots game page.

Yeah I already mentioned I found them.

Thanks.  I was able to find the reel layouts, it's good you provide them.

But like in video poker, the player seed is limited in what it can influence since the initial result is generated non transparently.  

Maybe an actual example will help you understand.

Here's the result of an initial shuffle, before the players seed is used to determine where to 'cut' the deck:

D3,C7,S5,S7,HK,DA,C8,S2,DJ,DQ,CA,D7,H3,HT,S6,C2,ST,HA,H9,SA,CT,C3,H7,S3,S4,DT,D8,C4,H6,H5,H2,D2,D5,CJ,S8,D4,D9,SJ,CK,SK,DK,S9,CQ,HQ,H4,C9,C6,H8,C5,D6,HJ,SQ

I color coded the royal flush cards.

You'll notice that no matter where the deck is cut, the player has no chance at being dealt a royal flush.

Can you prove that the the shuffle was not manipulated to make royal flush possibilities happen less often than they should?

[TwitchySeal]

Are you trying to bury the issue because you understand my explanation?  

Why not just remove the provably fair claims so that players are deceived?

[bittrafficme]

Are you trying to bury the issue because you understand my explanation?  

Why not just remove the provably fair claims so that players are deceived?

There are NO ANY ISSUE. I have answered your questions. I Will answer more, when I take time.

[TwitchySeal]

Are you trying to bury the issue because you understand my explanation?  

Why not just remove the provably fair claims so that players are deceived?

There are NO ANY ISSUE. I have answered your questions. I Will answer more, when I take time.

The issue is your games aren't provably fair.  If you have time to spam the forum you have time to take a second to understand what I'm saying.

Answer
The important thing to note is that the card deck is shuffled before the game starts and before the player seed is passed and known by the server. This is guaranteed by revealing the server hash. Let's suppose the deck was shuffled or deliberately constructed in favor of the house. After the player starts a new game their seed is passed to the server. The server uses the seed to calculate the shift number (it's described how it's calculated on the provably fair verification page). Then the card deck is cut based on the shift number. The number of cards that will be cut is not known in advance (and can not be predicted without knowing the client seed), thus it's impossible to construct a deck that with any possible shift number would still provide advantage to the house. This makes it useless for the house to try to cheat and initially shuffle the deck in its favor.

No, it's not.

If the deck is constructed so that no A, K, Q, J, or T of the same suit had less than 11 cards between them, with the last card being considered next to the first card - a royal flush would be impossible to hit regardless of the seed the player chooses.\

In order for the game to be provably fair, the player seed needs to effect the initial shuffle - not simply where the pre shuffled deck starts dealing from.

Answer
The layout of the reels is provided in the each Slots game page.

Yeah I already mentioned I found them.

Thanks.  I was able to find the reel layouts, it's good you provide them.

But like in video poker, the player seed is limited in what it can influence since the initial result is generated non transparently.  

Maybe an actual example will help you understand.

Here's the result of an initial shuffle, before the players seed is used to determine where to 'cut' the deck:

D3,C7,S5,S7,HK,DA,C8,S2,DJ,DQ,CA,D7,H3,HT,S6,C2,ST,HA,H9,SA,CT,C3,H7,S3,S4,DT,D8,C4,H6,H5,H2,D2,D5,CJ,S8,D4,D9,SJ,CK,SK,DK,S9,CQ,HQ,H4,C9,C6,H8,C5,D6,HJ,SQ

I color coded the royal flush cards.

You'll notice that no matter where the deck is cut, the player has no chance at being dealt a royal flush.

Can you prove that the the shuffle was not manipulated to make royal flush possibilities happen less often than they should?

[bittrafficme]

Are you trying to bury the issue because you understand my explanation?  

Why not just remove the provably fair claims so that players are deceived?

There are NO ANY ISSUE. I have answered your questions. I Will answer more, when I take time.

The issue is your games aren't provably fair.  If you have time to spam the forum you have time to take a second to understand what I'm saying.

Answer
The important thing to note is that the card deck is shuffled before the game starts and before the player seed is passed and known by the server. This is guaranteed by revealing the server hash. Let's suppose the deck was shuffled or deliberately constructed in favor of the house. After the player starts a new game their seed is passed to the server. The server uses the seed to calculate the shift number (it's described how it's calculated on the provably fair verification page). Then the card deck is cut based on the shift number. The number of cards that will be cut is not known in advance (and can not be predicted without knowing the client seed), thus it's impossible to construct a deck that with any possible shift number would still provide advantage to the house. This makes it useless for the house to try to cheat and initially shuffle the deck in its favor.

No, it's not.

If the deck is constructed so that no A, K, Q, J, or T of the same suit had less than 11 cards between them, with the last card being considered next to the first card - a royal flush would be impossible to hit regardless of the seed the player chooses.\

In order for the game to be provably fair, the player seed needs to effect the initial shuffle - not simply where the pre shuffled deck starts dealing from.

Answer
The layout of the reels is provided in the each Slots game page.

Yeah I already mentioned I found them.

Thanks.  I was able to find the reel layouts, it's good you provide them.

But like in video poker, the player seed is limited in what it can influence since the initial result is generated non transparently.  

Maybe an actual example will help you understand.

Here's the result of an initial shuffle, before the players seed is used to determine where to 'cut' the deck:

D3,C7,S5,S7,HK,DA,C8,S2,DJ,DQ,CA,D7,H3,HT,S6,C2,ST,HA,H9,SA,CT,C3,H7,S3,S4,DT,D8,C4,H6,H5,H2,D2,D5,CJ,S8,D4,D9,SJ,CK,SK,DK,S9,CQ,HQ,H4,C9,C6,H8,C5,D6,HJ,SQ

I color coded the royal flush cards.

You'll notice that no matter where the deck is cut, the player has no chance at being dealt a royal flush.

Can you prove that the the shuffle was not manipulated to make royal flush possibilities happen less often than they should?

I think you just trying to learn the exact algorithm in order to take advantage of it, i.e. predict how good a particular deck shuffle is based on your hash.
There is no need to prove anything, because each user can see the full deck after the game is played and ensure that the deck wasn't manipulated to eliminate royal flush possibility.

[TwitchySeal]

Are you trying to bury the issue because you understand my explanation?  

Why not just remove the provably fair claims so that players are deceived?

There are NO ANY ISSUE. I have answered your questions. I Will answer more, when I take time.

The issue is your games aren't provably fair.  If you have time to spam the forum you have time to take a second to understand what I'm saying.

Answer
The important thing to note is that the card deck is shuffled before the game starts and before the player seed is passed and known by the server. This is guaranteed by revealing the server hash. Let's suppose the deck was shuffled or deliberately constructed in favor of the house. After the player starts a new game their seed is passed to the server. The server uses the seed to calculate the shift number (it's described how it's calculated on the provably fair verification page). Then the card deck is cut based on the shift number. The number of cards that will be cut is not known in advance (and can not be predicted without knowing the client seed), thus it's impossible to construct a deck that with any possible shift number would still provide advantage to the house. This makes it useless for the house to try to cheat and initially shuffle the deck in its favor.

No, it's not.

If the deck is constructed so that no A, K, Q, J, or T of the same suit had less than 11 cards between them, with the last card being considered next to the first card - a royal flush would be impossible to hit regardless of the seed the player chooses.\

In order for the game to be provably fair, the player seed needs to effect the initial shuffle - not simply where the pre shuffled deck starts dealing from.

Answer
The layout of the reels is provided in the each Slots game page.

Yeah I already mentioned I found them.

Thanks.  I was able to find the reel layouts, it's good you provide them.

But like in video poker, the player seed is limited in what it can influence since the initial result is generated non transparently.  

Maybe an actual example will help you understand.

Here's the result of an initial shuffle, before the players seed is used to determine where to 'cut' the deck:

D3,C7,S5,S7,HK,DA,C8,S2,DJ,DQ,CA,D7,H3,HT,S6,C2,ST,HA,H9,SA,CT,C3,H7,S3,S4,DT,D8,C4,H6,H5,H2,D2,D5,CJ,S8,D4,D9,SJ,CK,SK,DK,S9,CQ,HQ,H4,C9,C6,H8,C5,D6,HJ,SQ

I color coded the royal flush cards.

You'll notice that no matter where the deck is cut, the player has no chance at being dealt a royal flush.

Can you prove that the the shuffle was not manipulated to make royal flush possibilities happen less often than they should?

I think you just trying to learn the exact algorithm in order to take advantage of it, i.e. predict how good a particular deck shuffle is based on your hash.
There is no need to prove anything, because each user can see the full deck after the game is played and ensure that the deck wasn't manipulated to eliminate royal flush possibility.

Ok, here's the full deck:

D3,C7,S5,S7,HK,DA,C8,S2,DJ,DQ,CA,D7,H3,HT,S6,C2,ST,HA,H9,SA,CT,C3,H7,S3,S4,DT,D8,C4,H6,H5,H2,D2,D5,CJ,S8,D4,D9,SJ,CK,SK,DK,S9,CQ,HQ,H4,C9,C6,H8,C5,D6,HJ,SQ

There's no royal flush possible, where's the proof it wasn't manipulated.

[TwitchySeal]

Stop bumping the same thing over and over.  The rule is once per 24 hours.

If you have time to spam the forum you should have time to do a little thinking and realize your games aren't provably fair.  

Are you trying to bury the issue because you understand my explanation?  

Why not just remove the provably fair claims so that players are deceived?

There are NO ANY ISSUE. I have answered your questions. I Will answer more, when I take time.

The issue is your games aren't provably fair.  If you have time to spam the forum you have time to take a second to understand what I'm saying.

Answer
The important thing to note is that the card deck is shuffled before the game starts and before the player seed is passed and known by the server. This is guaranteed by revealing the server hash. Let's suppose the deck was shuffled or deliberately constructed in favor of the house. After the player starts a new game their seed is passed to the server. The server uses the seed to calculate the shift number (it's described how it's calculated on the provably fair verification page). Then the card deck is cut based on the shift number. The number of cards that will be cut is not known in advance (and can not be predicted without knowing the client seed), thus it's impossible to construct a deck that with any possible shift number would still provide advantage to the house. This makes it useless for the house to try to cheat and initially shuffle the deck in its favor.

No, it's not.

If the deck is constructed so that no A, K, Q, J, or T of the same suit had less than 11 cards between them, with the last card being considered next to the first card - a royal flush would be impossible to hit regardless of the seed the player chooses.\

In order for the game to be provably fair, the player seed needs to effect the initial shuffle - not simply where the pre shuffled deck starts dealing from.

Answer
The layout of the reels is provided in the each Slots game page.

Yeah I already mentioned I found them.

Thanks.  I was able to find the reel layouts, it's good you provide them.

But like in video poker, the player seed is limited in what it can influence since the initial result is generated non transparently.  

Maybe an actual example will help you understand.

Here's the result of an initial shuffle, before the players seed is used to determine where to 'cut' the deck:

D3,C7,S5,S7,HK,DA,C8,S2,DJ,DQ,CA,D7,H3,HT,S6,C2,ST,HA,H9,SA,CT,C3,H7,S3,S4,DT,D8,C4,H6,H5,H2,D2,D5,CJ,S8,D4,D9,SJ,CK,SK,DK,S9,CQ,HQ,H4,C9,C6,H8,C5,D6,HJ,SQ

I color coded the royal flush cards.

You'll notice that no matter where the deck is cut, the player has no chance at being dealt a royal flush.

Can you prove that the the shuffle was not manipulated to make royal flush possibilities happen less often than they should?

I think you just trying to learn the exact algorithm in order to take advantage of it, i.e. predict how good a particular deck shuffle is based on your hash.
There is no need to prove anything, because each user can see the full deck after the game is played and ensure that the deck wasn't manipulated to eliminate royal flush possibility.

Ok, here's the full deck:

D3,C7,S5,S7,HK,DA,C8,S2,DJ,DQ,CA,D7,H3,HT,S6,C2,ST,HA,H9,SA,CT,C3,H7,S3,S4,DT,D8,C4,H6,H5,H2,D2,D5,CJ,S8,D4,D9,SJ,CK,SK,DK,S9,CQ,HQ,H4,C9,C6,H8,C5,D6,HJ,SQ

There's no royal flush possible.  How do we know that it wasn't manipulated.

The answer is "we don't". 

[ScamViruS]

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Because of your red trust, players won't even try to play on your website. Now everyone has become very clever, they check everything before depositing anything. So this red trust of yours has put your reputation down.

Instead of wasting too much time on different types of new offers, you should look at how to get rid of these red trusts. There are cases, you should think about how to solve those cases.

[bittrafficme]

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Because of your red trust, players won't even try to play on your website. Now everyone has become very clever, they check everything before depositing anything. So this red trust of yours has put your reputation down.

Instead of wasting too much time on different types of new offers, you should look at how to get rid of these red trusts. There are cases, you should think about how to solve those cases.

yes, I understand and agree with you.

Generally speaking, the casino business brings only negative emotions and no desire left. Just get tired of proving you’re not a gladiolus.

In 1 year, brings so much negative, more than 17 years I work online ..

I don't think it's possible to solve these cases. Just because there is nothing to solve ..

[ScamViruS]

~~

Because of your red trust, players won't even try to play on your website. Now everyone has become very clever, they check everything before depositing anything. So this red trust of yours has put your reputation down.

Instead of wasting too much time on different types of new offers, you should look at how to get rid of these red trusts. There are cases, you should think about how to solve those cases.

I don't think it's possible to solve these cases. Just because there is nothing to solve ..

There are some serious bad reports against you. So I think it is not possible for you to solve those cases, since you do not want to take steps to take care of those cases.

I would tell new players to keep themselves safe before depositing on any bad reputation website. And I will tell you that if you want to get a good reputation back, you must solve the cases.

[barbara44]

Because of your red trust, players won't even try to play on your website. Now everyone has become very clever, they check everything before depositing anything. So this red trust of yours has put your reputation down.

Instead of wasting too much time on different types of new offers, you should look at how to get rid of these red trusts. There are cases, you should think about how to solve those cases.

yes, I understand and agree with you.

Generally speaking, the casino business brings only negative emotions and no desire left. Just get tired of proving you’re not a gladiolus.

In 1 year, brings so much negative, more than 17 years I work online ..

I don't think it's possible to solve these cases. Just because there is nothing to solve ..

If you have the right will and intent you can easily solve all the problems like many other casinos in past have managed to do. You need to be open and rather than twisting the accusations made against you, you need to come up with a proper answer and explanation.

Every casino has had issues in past barring a few who are running clean since start till now so you still have a chance as long as you answer the accusations in a proper manner with proofs and believe me any gambler who visits a new casinos always check for the casino's thread here and with the kind of reputation you have now it will be nearly impossible to reflect any trust right now.

[phreess]

Hey OP, why don't you resolve your scam accusation?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233811

[bittrafficme]

Hey OP, why don't you resolve your scam accusation?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233811

Hey phreess,
No.
- a little later i will answer in detail.

[phreess]

Hey OP, why don't you resolve your scam accusation?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233811

Hey phreess,
No.
- a little later i will answer in detail.

When is it "a little later", man?

[phreess]

Hey OP, why don't you resolve your scam accusation?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233811

Hey phreess,
No.
- a little later i will answer in detail.

When is it "a little later", man?

so, never bro? xD

[bittrafficme]

so, never bro? xD

no no, not never Tomorow, okay?
Now I don't have "power" anymore, I'm logging out now...

[Bitinity]

so, never bro? xD

no no, not never Tomorow, okay?
Now I don't have "power" anymore, I'm logging out now...

3days passed, but yet to see your "answer in detail". It shows that you have no serious effort to clear your reputation and I believe you'll not resolve any accusations against your site ever. What I can see here is that your main purpose is just to get new players who do not notice about what was happening or what is happening on your site. You do not care about your own trust/repuation in a place where you promote your own project(s).

[Zackgeno96]

In any case, he has enough time to pay attention to his posts on the forum. Incidentally, the title of the topic is now confusing. If you write that you specialize in offering racing competitions, then people expect greyhounds, real life horse racing. It's just virtual races now, nothing more and sneeze less. When are you going to expand to professional software? I think that will be a good step, your reputation will not improve this way if you avoid critical questions from respected members here.

[LimLims]

Wait what? At first after seeing the title i thought, we will get the option to bet on real horse racing, but it is virtual?
Then it's a computer based game and i need to know about the fairness of the game.
Moreover if the OP really wants to fetch some serious Gamblers to the site, then it's better to first clear the negative trust.
And more over if you guys can run some potential Promotions then it will surely help to grow.

[Jating]

I'm familiar with horse racing here in our county and I have been a avid bettor for many years now.

But when I saw this kind of virtual horse inside a land based casino, I was struck because to be honest, I really don't know how to beat because there are a lot of combinations. And I'm top shy to ask the other players as well.

But seeing this, (first time) here, maybe I could play around and see if this is similar to the land base casino that I frequented. Because I also see someone win big like every time that I'm in that casino and I wanted to get the experience.

[bittrafficme]

I'm familiar with horse racing here in our county and I have been a avid bettor for many years now.

But when I saw this kind of virtual horse inside a land based casino, I was struck because to be honest, I really don't know how to beat because there are a lot of combinations. And I'm top shy to ask the other players as well.

But seeing this, (first time) here, maybe I could play around and see if this is similar to the land base casino that I frequented. Because I also see someone win big like every time that I'm in that casino and I wanted to get the experience.

Horse Racing Game Features

    Payout up to bet x3.9+
    Choose how much to bet
    8 horses in a race
    Turn sound on / off

How to play Horse Racing

To play this game you need to pick one or several horses that you think will win and choose how much you would like to bet.

Bet Types

    Win — you win if your horse wins the race
    Place — you win if your horse finishes first or second
    Show — you win if your horse finishes first second or third

Bets / Wins / Horses

Trigger
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Lucky
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Jet
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Harley
x3.6
x1.7
x1.1

Captain
x3.3
x1.8
x1.3

Muffin
x2.9
x2.3
x1.2

Bullet
x3.5
x1.6
x1.3

Texas
x3.9
x1.4
x1.1



https://coins777.com/games/horse-racing
We wish you success

[imutlinda]

These are virtual races only I guess? There's nothing wrong with that, but betting on real horse racing is a bit more fun.
By the way, how do we know that these games are all fair? That is always my biggest concern.

[deadthings]

These are virtual races only I guess? There's nothing wrong with that, but betting on real horse racing is a bit more fun.
By the way, how do we know that these games are all fair? That is always my biggest concern.

Sorry, but you should check the reputation of the site. There are many sites which are more reliable than this one.
This site is for virtual games, that is correct. Some people like it. If you look for virtual games, also there are other sites with are more reputable.

[bittrafficme]

These are virtual races only I guess? There's nothing wrong with that, but betting on real horse racing is a bit more fun.
By the way, how do we know that these games are all fair? That is always my biggest concern.

YES! These ganes akways are fair. https://blog.coins777.com/horse-racing
These races are virtual. But it’s very funy, more fun than any other casino game.
You can try it free... (signup and get free credits)

Even now my friends and I are betting our favorite horses )

[bitgolden]

I have joined to see how the horse racing game would work, I usually like those type of things very much and try to have fun with it, I have played similar ones way back when there were another website like it but it is no longer available so I was happy to see similar game exist again.

I have to say few things about it, first of all if you are playing it believing that you could make anything other than "better looking dice game" you are not playing the right game, these are not real horses and thanks to provably fair you are getting animation on top of your dice game that is it, just information for people who do not understand how it works. Secondly, when you are wagering the amount you put in doesn't show, even though it changes you can't see it, that needs to be fixed. Aside from that, it is exactly how I imagined and I really liked it.

[kkaroul4]

I have joined to see how the horse racing game would work, I usually like those type of things very much and try to have fun with it, I have played similar ones way back when there were another website like it but it is no longer available so I was happy to see similar game exist again.

I have to say few things about it, first of all if you are playing it believing that you could make anything other than "better looking dice game" you are not playing the right game, these are not real horses and thanks to provably fair you are getting animation on top of your dice game that is it, just information for people who do not understand how it works. Secondly, when you are wagering the amount you put in doesn't show, even though it changes you can't see it, that needs to be fixed. Aside from that, it is exactly how I imagined and I really liked it.

Have you ever tried to withdraw and deposit on it? I'm kinda interested since I've seen that the OP have multiple negative red trust saying that his casino is a scam and does not really a fair casino.

[codegnome]

I have joined to see how the horse racing game would work, I usually like those type of things very much and try to have fun with it, I have played similar ones way back when there were another website like it but it is no longer available so I was happy to see similar game exist again.

I have to say few things about it, first of all if you are playing it believing that you could make anything other than "better looking dice game" you are not playing the right game, these are not real horses and thanks to provably fair you are getting animation on top of your dice game that is it, just information for people who do not understand how it works. Secondly, when you are wagering the amount you put in doesn't show, even though it changes you can't see it, that needs to be fixed. Aside from that, it is exactly how I imagined and I really liked it.

Have you ever tried to withdraw and deposit on it? I'm kinda interested since I've seen that the OP have multiple negative red trust saying that his casino is a scam and does not really a fair casino.

His reputation is not really great yet. It would help if a few people here could report their experience and confirm whether, for example, payouts have been received by the players?
Ultimately, that's what it's all about.

[Swordsoffreedom]

I have joined to see how the horse racing game would work, I usually like those type of things very much and try to have fun with it, I have played similar ones way back when there were another website like it but it is no longer available so I was happy to see similar game exist again.

I have to say few things about it, first of all if you are playing it believing that you could make anything other than "better looking dice game" you are not playing the right game, these are not real horses and thanks to provably fair you are getting animation on top of your dice game that is it, just information for people who do not understand how it works. Secondly, when you are wagering the amount you put in doesn't show, even though it changes you can't see it, that needs to be fixed. Aside from that, it is exactly how I imagined and I really liked it.

Have you ever tried to withdraw and deposit on it? I'm kinda interested since I've seen that the OP have multiple negative red trust saying that his casino is a scam and does not really a fair casino.

His reputation is not really great yet. It would help if a few people here could report their experience and confirm whether, for example, payouts have been received by the players?
Ultimately, that's what it's all about.

Still there is an Active Flag against @bittrafficme,
You can check it out Coins777 SCAMM,WONT PAY OR GIVE BACK DEPOSIT
I don't think it would be wise to deposit in this website until it is resolved. Hope @bittrafficme will take this flag seriously and will be eager to resolve, If they are not skilled enough about the rules of the forum then they can hire a reputed member who will stand for them and help them to resolve all of their issues.

[panjul07]

I have joined to see how the horse racing game would work, I usually like those type of things very much and try to have fun with it, I have played similar ones way back when there were another website like it but it is no longer available so I was happy to see similar game exist again.

I have to say few things about it, first of all if you are playing it believing that you could make anything other than "better looking dice game" you are not playing the right game, these are not real horses and thanks to provably fair you are getting animation on top of your dice game that is it, just information for people who do not understand how it works. Secondly, when you are wagering the amount you put in doesn't show, even though it changes you can't see it, that needs to be fixed. Aside from that, it is exactly how I imagined and I really liked it.

Have you ever tried to withdraw and deposit on it? I'm kinda interested since I've seen that the OP have multiple negative red trust saying that his casino is a scam and does not really a fair casino.

His reputation is not really great yet. It would help if a few people here could report their experience and confirm whether, for example, payouts have been received by the players?
Ultimately, that's what it's all about.

I do not even think that there are some users from bitcointalk who made deposit and play on this site for some reasons especially the red trust against this site.
So dont hope to see some bitcointalk users to report their experience on this site.
Anyone who is willing to deposit because of the new horse racing game, better to deposit small amount only.
In general saying, dont be interested on a site just because there is a new game that you cant find on many places.

[carlfebz2]

I have joined to see how the horse racing game would work, I usually like those type of things very much and try to have fun with it, I have played similar ones way back when there were another website like it but it is no longer available so I was happy to see similar game exist again.

I have to say few things about it, first of all if you are playing it believing that you could make anything other than "better looking dice game" you are not playing the right game, these are not real horses and thanks to provably fair you are getting animation on top of your dice game that is it, just information for people who do not understand how it works. Secondly, when you are wagering the amount you put in doesn't show, even though it changes you can't see it, that needs to be fixed. Aside from that, it is exactly how I imagined and I really liked it.

Have you ever tried to withdraw and deposit on it? I'm kinda interested since I've seen that the OP have multiple negative red trust saying that his casino is a scam and does not really a fair casino.

His reputation is not really great yet. It would help if a few people here could report their experience and confirm whether, for example, payouts have been received by the players?
Ultimately, that's what it's all about.

I do not even think that there are some users from bitcointalk who made deposit and play on this site for some reasons especially the red trust against this site.
So dont hope to see some bitcointalk users to report their experience on this site.
Anyone who is willing to deposit because of the new horse racing game, better to deposit small amount only.
In general saying, dont be interested on a site just because there is a new game that you cant find on many places.

No one would take risk even though its said that deposit only small amounts of money but no one would really be tending to do so yet its clear that this site cant really be trusted

plus op did really have negative feedback which is a solid thing for people to see that this fella isnt trusted.No matter how unique or not so common game that he's been offering

it isnt really enough to fool out people.Good thing that there are really people who can spot out the shadiness of these sites to put up some awareness and able to avoid for someone to get scammed.

[bittrafficme]

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- InterDDOS.

Almost every day so ...

[panjul07]

How many times a day you will bump your own thread by "post-delete-repost-repeat" ?
Is this the only thing you can do to make your ANN thread stay on the first page of this gambling board?

[bittrafficme]

Is your casino probably fair? there's some negative trust from DT members on your profile about your casino not being fair at all.

Just at the moment, I don't have time to prove it (and I have no desire to communicate and explain something for these negative people). Thousands of gamblers know that our casino are fair and there cannot even be otherwise.

[Bitinity]

Is your casino probably fair? there's some negative trust from DT members on your profile about your casino not being fair at all.

Just at the moment, I don't have time to prove it (and I have no desire to communicate and explain something for these negative people). Thousands of gamblers know that our casino are fair and there cannot even be otherwise.

Do you have that much number of gamblers? Is that all real gamblers or it is a number of total registered player on your site? If it is just number of total registered players, I would not be surprised as perhaps there are many people attracted with the free promo you give on registration but I doubt if those thousand gamblers are real gambler who make deposit and play with their own money. By the way, saying that you have no time to prove something or to defend your site from an accusation which is about a very important thing is not a good reason at all. You have time to bump this thread many times a day but you have no time for something important? It does not make senses at all.

[bittrafficme]

Do you have that much number of gamblers? Is that all real gamblers or it is a number of total registered player on your site? If it is just number of total registered players, I would not be surprised as perhaps there are many people attracted with the free promo you give on registration but I doubt if those thousand gamblers are real gambler who make deposit and play with their own money.

Hi,
compared to the big companies, the number of our players is of course still small. Currently there are 1541 (at this moment) registered players in Coins777. Free Promo has no impact on real players as there is a very small amount (a small amount of free bonus is also a reason not to attract various scammers, but only real players).

By the way, saying that you have no time to prove something or to defend your site from an accusation which is about a very important thing is not a good reason at all. You have time to bump this thread many times a day but you have no time for something important? It does not make senses at all.

Yes, you are right, it is necessary to fix it as soon as possible 

[Dave1]

Is your casino probably fair? there's some negative trust from DT members on your profile about your casino not being fair at all.

Just at the moment, I don't have time to prove it (and I have no desire to communicate and explain something for these negative people). Thousands of gamblers know that our casino are fair and there cannot even be otherwise.

I'm sorry, but you should spend time to defend yourself here so that we they will understand what is going on with your casino. I do love horse racing but seeing that negative trust in your profile, makes me look on other casinos. I know that maybe I'm just one customer here, but what if others do the same as well? You could also be losing thousands of gamblers here, just saying.

[DarkDays]

I have joined to see how the horse racing game would work, I usually like those type of things very much and try to have fun with it, I have played similar ones way back when there were another website like it but it is no longer available so I was happy to see similar game exist again.

I have to say few things about it, first of all if you are playing it believing that you could make anything other than "better looking dice game" you are not playing the right game, these are not real horses and thanks to provably fair you are getting animation on top of your dice game that is it, just information for people who do not understand how it works. Secondly, when you are wagering the amount you put in doesn't show, even though it changes you can't see it, that needs to be fixed. Aside from that, it is exactly how I imagined and I really liked it.

Have you ever tried to withdraw and deposit on it? I'm kinda interested since I've seen that the OP have multiple negative red trust saying that his casino is a scam and does not really a fair casino.

I have not had to deal with this place as horse racing isn't my thing but just relating to your question regarding withdrawal, I think best to overall stay away from places with red flags and negative trust, specially when you're not sure. The things is that there are so many more casinos where you can spend your money, so if you're not sure about one place, well, there are plenty more!

Also, a way to verify the negative trust and scam accusation against this casino is to read the thread and look at the response provided if any. That should give you an idea.

[BitcoinAccepted]

The fact that the software may not be as good does not have to be a big problem. However, he doesn't seem to care about all the criticism from users here on the forum.

That should be done differently. He must be open to suggestions, ideas and criticism. And don't post the same nonsense every time with a flyer.

That has no added value at all. I also agree that he should also start working and his negative trusts. That is also the basis.

[ongkok87]

Since most users are now familiar with the flyer you offered, it might be useful to switch flyers once? It's just an idea of course 

[bittrafficme]

Since most users are now familiar with the flyer you offered, it might be useful to switch flyers once? It's just an idea of course 

Yes, you're right, but this game is so new and so amazing that I hope to introduce it to more players.... 

[milewilda]

@OP, havent you able to read this comment or post by BitcoinAccepted?
Instead of posting some updates or flyers, it would be better if you do tend to make out some response and take some time on fixing things up
because all of your effort on posting or trying to get some users by doing some advertising would really be still useless.
As long you wont really be minding about those reds then you shouldnt be surprised that you wont really be getting some attention on here.

The fact that the software may not be as good does not have to be a big problem. However, he doesn't seem to care about all the criticism from users here on the forum.

That should be done differently. He must be open to suggestions, ideas and criticism. And don't post the same nonsense every time with a flyer.

That has no added value at all. I also agree that he should also start working and his negative trusts. That is also the basis.

[Buttercup123]

Wow, this is great. The casino looks amazing. Besides Horse Racing there's a lot of games as well to play. I think I should play on this site too, mostly the horse racing (I really like horse racing so much)

I hope this site can get more players too.

[Bitinity]

Wow, this is great. The casino looks amazing. Besides Horse Racing there's a lot of games as well to play. I think I should play on this site too, mostly the horse racing (I really like horse racing so much)

I hope this site can get more players too.

Looks amazing? From which side you are looking at it? I'm quite sure you have not done at least a quick research about this site. I suggest you to look at OP's trust rating, look at what kind of script is being used for the website and how much it cost. Dont be interested on a site just because you like the game but you ignore to look at other more important thing.

[DarkDays]

Has anybody played Horse Racing, and did you manage to withdraw successfully?

Apparently, they give out 111% deposit bonus and just thinking of the week ahead, this is not that bad (check it out here). Might actually place some bets on here but I don't want to have to wait for ages to withdraw my winnings

[bittrafficme]

Has anybody played Horse Racing, and did you manage to withdraw successfully?

Apparently, they give out 111% deposit bonus and just thinking of the week ahead, this is not that bad (check it out here). Might actually place some bets on here but I don't want to have to wait for ages to withdraw my winnings

try for free before that.

[coin.princess]

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It may be that from time to time there are people who still play on this site. Is there anyone who can share his experience? Software is not very great, but maybe there are still a few active customers?

[LUCKMCFLY]

GET BIG BONUSES
on your deposit!
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It may be that from time to time there are people who still play on this site. Is there anyone who can share his experience? Software is not very great, but maybe there are still a few active customers?

I played a long time ago, I liked the experience a bit, the only thing is that there was no demand for players and playing against the system only the probability of losing is greater.

[lebregone]

Have you ever considered starting a signature campaign or maybe getting a license for your site? I think there is little point in posting the same target flyers every time.

[robelneo]

It may be that from time to time there are people who still play on this site. Is there anyone who can share his experience? Software is not very great, but maybe there are still a few active customers?

I don't see the latest comments or testimonials about withdrawal here but the big turn off is the red trust mark which OP should try to resolve so far no complaints about withdrawal based on OP's trust rating, but there's still a risk playing in a game manage by developer or representative with red trust showing, so play at your own risk.

[shoreno]

🏇 New Game! Horse Racing 🏇

wow dang really ? the game overview really reminds me of my childhold playing horse gambling in an arcade like machine . this brings the nostalgic feeling in me and im gonna surely play this but this one you got here have improved graphics but i hope the gameplay is still the same which is to place a bet and pick a number between the horses  .

 on the poll you ask if the maximum bet is enough or should be increase , i think you should increase it because 1 dollar is only the minimum bet of most gambling site  . this can give more way to the high rollers

[panjul07]

🏇 New Game! Horse Racing 🏇

wow dang really ? the game overview really reminds me of my childhold playing horse gambling in an arcade like machine . this brings the nostalgic feeling in me and im gonna surely play this but this one you got here have improved graphics but i hope the gameplay is still the same which is to place a bet and pick a number between the horses  .

 on the poll you ask if the maximum bet is enough or should be increase , i think you should increase it because 1 dollar is only the minimum bet of most gambling site  . this can give more way to the high rollers

It is not that new in his site, he just reposted the same post again and again.
I'm sure the game was added since weeks ago or even months ago.
There is no intentions from the OP to communicate with others in this forum.
The chance for us to get a reply/response from the OP of our question, suggestion, etc is less than 1%.
What he can do is just bumping his own thread with the same post over and over again.

[bitterguy28]

Wow, this is great. The casino looks amazing. Besides Horse Racing there's a lot of games as well to play. I think I should play on this site too, mostly the horse racing (I really like horse racing so much)

I hope this site can get more players too.

Yeah you should Play and learn what is this site , you just Posted your Crap without even checking the OP? or even the OP's trust feedback?

and Please don't wish for many VICTIMS9 Players) .

Have you ever considered starting a signature campaign or maybe getting a license for your site? I think there is little point in posting the same target flyers every time.

How ? Check the OPs account then tell me who will believe in their campaign.

[JohnBitCo]

🏇 New Game! Horse Racing 🏇
Learn more: 🌎https://blog.coins777.com/horse-racing

This image looks amazing and i wonder how much fun it would be playing this game. The only reason i didn't try this game yet is that i normally do not deposit on the relatively new sites unless i am sure that they are trust worthy. Perhaps i will give it a try sometimes in near future.

[tygeade]

New Game! Horse Racing
Learn more: 🌎https://blog.coins777.com/horse-racing

This image looks amazing and i wonder how much fun it would be playing this game. The only reason i didn't try this game yet is that i normally do not deposit on the relatively new sites unless i am sure that they are trust worthy. Perhaps i will give it a try sometimes in near future.

There are several scam accusations against them and I would not recommend playing at such a casino that has ongoing problems and one of the feedback even says that they have rigged games which they claim to be probably fair.

I checked the website and really like the layout and the design, hopefully, if the casino can solve their problems and maybe start fresh then I might consider playing but looking at the current scenario, it's almost like burning money if I deposit anything.

Have you ever considered starting a signature campaign or maybe getting a license for your site? I think there is little point in posting the same target flyers every time.

No one would ever risk their reputation promoting such a casino and no one would want to get involved with them.

[DarkDays]

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It may be that from time to time there are people who still play on this site. Is there anyone who can share his experience? Software is not very great, but maybe there are still a few active customers?

I played a long time ago, I liked the experience a bit, the only thing is that there was no demand for players and playing against the system only the probability of losing is greater.

The lack of players might be because the casino is still fairly new in the casino world, and it will take some time to pick up traffic. In the meantime, you could try to play for free or if you're a serious better use a longer run casino. I'm sure this (issue) is flagged up and I would imagine the team will be wanting to clear this up.

[TravelMug]

🏇 New Game! Horse Racing 🏇
Learn more: 🌎https://blog.coins777.com/horse-racing

This image looks amazing and i wonder how much fun it would be playing this game. The only reason i didn't try this game yet is that i normally do not deposit on the relatively new sites unless i am sure that they are trust worthy. Perhaps i will give it a try sometimes in near future.

Very fun mate, I'm been a race horse enthusiast for many years, watch them live and then play it on traditional based casino with wide screen with your fellow race horse gamblers.

And I do get your point, it's hard to trust new casinos. I haven't try their online platform as well, the second reason is that I decided to really save my bitcoins for the future. But horse racing just like any other form of gambling is very addictive.

I also wanted to hear experiences of fellow gamblers, hopefully there is one who is going to share it here.

[TwitchySeal]

GET BIG BONUSES
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Bonuses: https://blog.coins777.com/bonuses

It may be that from time to time there are people who still play on this site. Is there anyone who can share his experience? Software is not very great, but maybe there are still a few active customers?

I played a long time ago, I liked the experience a bit, the only thing is that there was no demand for players and playing against the system only the probability of losing is greater.

The lack of players might be because the casino is still fairly new in the casino world, and it will take some time to pick up traffic. In the meantime, you could try to play for free or if you're a serious better use a longer run casino. I'm sure this (issue) is flagged up and I would imagine the team will be wanting to clear this up.

I'd be pretty surprised if they intend to clear up any of the scam accusations or stop claiming their games are provably fair even though they aren't.

[TwitchySeal]

🏇 New Game! Horse Racing 🏇
Learn more: 🌎https://blog.coins777.com/horse-racing

Horse racing isn't new and neither are all the scam accusations.

Horse Racing Game Features

    Payout up to bet x3.9+
    Choose how much to bet
    8 horses in a race
    Turn sound on / off

How to play Horse Racing

To play this game you need to pick one or several horses that you think will win and choose how much you would like to bet.

[Bitinity]

🏇 New Game! Horse Racing 🏇
Learn more: 🌎https://blog.coins777.com/horse-racing

Horse racing isn't new and neither are all the scam accusations.

It is all what bittrafficme can do with his ANN thread, keep bumping the thread with the same announcement for months already. He is still trying to be active in this forum in a hope to get some dumb people who do not really knows about his scammy project.

[Kittygalore]

I really like this graphics, I remember back then there's this backwoods horse race machine in my area and the graphics are pixelated that reminded me of brick games or old games. This is an improvement on the graphics and I really want to try it out but I can't afford to spend my money on this kind of thing for now.

Edit: Now that I have seen that this is a scam site, I feel bax already because I want to bet on a horse race game.

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

To everyone who doesn't know better, this is a scam casino that is always getting bumped in order to scam other people, the OP @bittrafficme is an alt account and anyone who will play in this casino is going to lose their money.

[abel1337]

To everyone who doesn't know better, this is a scam casino that is always gettingbumped in order to scam other people, the OP @bittrafficme is an alt account and anyone who will play in this casino is going to lose their money.

Yes, There are some bad reputation casino here (more likely a scam) are being bumped again and again like this. An alt account posting the same post/same content of promotion over and over. This kind of thread should be locked if the casino/service/platform is proven a scam because just like other threads, the -negative trust dummy account will just keep posting making this thread above the board.

[jonval21]

It is a pity that the site is accused of scam, the horse game is not bad at all, when I registered and entered I saw that I had no movement, it was only playing against the system, I do not see this well, and now that I see this thread there is accusation of fraud.

[TwitchySeal]

It is a pity that the site is accused of scam, the horse game is not bad at all, when I registered and entered I saw that I had no movement, it was only playing against the system, I do not see this well, and now that I see this thread there is accusation of fraud.

A good example of how not to be successful at running a crypto gambling site.

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

To everyone who doesn't know better, this is a scam casino that is always gettingbumped in order to scam other people, the OP @bittrafficme is an alt account and anyone who will play in this casino is going to lose their money.

Yes, There are some bad reputation casino here (more likely a scam) are being bumped again and again like this. An alt account posting the same post/same content of promotion over and over. This kind of thread should be locked if the casino/service/platform is proven a scam because just like other threads, the -negative trust dummy account will just keep posting making this thread above the board.

That's what puzzles me too, why is this thread not yet locked since this site is an already proven scam casino, I am sure that the mods won't find it wrong to lock a thread that could possibly gather more victims. Negative trust only goes a certain way and some people wouldn't really check it out since it is sort of a hassle since you are just looking for a gambling site to play.

[TwitchySeal]

To everyone who doesn't know better, this is a scam casino that is always gettingbumped in order to scam other people, the OP @bittrafficme is an alt account and anyone who will play in this casino is going to lose their money.

Yes, There are some bad reputation casino here (more likely a scam) are being bumped again and again like this. An alt account posting the same post/same content of promotion over and over. This kind of thread should be locked if the casino/service/platform is proven a scam because just like other threads, the -negative trust dummy account will just keep posting making this thread above the board.

That's what puzzles me too, why is this thread not yet locked since this site is an already proven scam casino, I am sure that the mods won't find it wrong to lock a thread that could possibly gather more victims. Negative trust only goes a certain way and some people wouldn't really check it out since it is sort of a hassle since you are just looking for a gambling site to play.

The forum doesn't have any rules against being a scammer.  That's what the reputation system is for, which is why OP's profile looks like this:



Which is probably part of the reason nobody wants to buy his shitty casinos:

Hello,
2 casinos for sale.

2 casino website projects (licensed software, domains, social accounts, support, etc) for sale. 1 tear online.

For more details please PM.

Starting price: 0.3 BTC

Auction ends: January 15, 2021

---
Q&A

Why are you selling?
- I have been working with cryptocurrencies since 2013.  I tried the casino area. I didn’t like being a casino owner (it interferes with other jobs).

How much I can earn?
- It depends on how much you spend on advertising. Approximately plus 100 percent.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

That's what puzzles me too, why is this thread not yet locked since this site is an already proven scam casino, I am sure that the mods won't find it wrong to lock a thread that could possibly gather more victims. Negative trust only goes a certain way and some people wouldn't really check it out since it is sort of a hassle since you are just looking for a gambling site to play.

Scam isn't moderated, and therefore it's not the role of moderators to lock threads that are thought to be run by scammers. We can only do as much as we can by warning other members through negative feedback, flags and scam accusations.

Those who don't do research or who ignore the warnings have no one else to blame except themselves for being negligent.

[Kittygalore]

Scam isn't moderated, and therefore it's not the role of moderators to lock threads that are thought to be run by scammers. We can only do as much as we can by warning other members through negative feedback, flags and scam accusations.

Those who don't do research or who ignore the warnings have no one else to blame except themselves for being negligent.

But they have the power to do that, I mean if they are a scam and has the damning evidence to back it up, they could probably do a conscious decision to lock the thread to prevent and interaction towards the scammer. The problem with the current system is that most newbies don't know about this feedbacks and stuff and are blinded by the fake promises of the scams which could have been prevented if the thread was locked. And locking the thread prevents bumping the scam which helps make it fall into obscurity hopefully.

[Bitinity]

When will my withdrawal be processed for 0.4 LTC ?

I dont understand why you play in this site, do you have a good reason for it? Are you making profit from the 99fs promo or did you make it from your own deposit? Although this site has very bad reputation but I hope you'll get your money. Please kindly keep updating your withdrawal in this thread, whether you get it or not or how long you need to wait if you receive it eventually.

[carlfebz2]

Yeah i am not feeling too optimistic.  Not I deposited some LTC just $50. My first wager I hit max bet by accident on the slot game. I got the scatter surprisingly and it payed out $150. I played some more but after that the results were just brutal. I cashed out with $110 or 0.4LTC.  I’ve messaged them on every social media account.

If I don’t receive the funds I’m going to report them to coinpayments, tawk.to, their domain registrar, and any other 3rd party partners I can uncover.  They are dodging me Bc the own has been online numerous times and never once responded to me anywhere. 

Have you ever contact their forum account? (which had recently posted above) if you havent been paid out then better to post up properly on scam accusations board https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0
with sufficient evidence or proofs in related to your claims.

@OP why do ignore these kind of complaints? Posting promotions and events are still useless if you do have that kind of reputation you've been holding.

Deal with those issues first and make yourself look legit before minding on proceeding with marketing and promotiosn.Its just pointless honestly.

[Blockchayne]

They also operate
Crypsino
CoinFiesta
CoinVPN
And some other lame operations.

If you have been scammed I suggest you report them to their third party partners.

Report abuse to their LiveChat provider:
https://www.tawk.to/legal/report-abuse/

Report abuse to their domain registrar via email:
Abuse Contact: DomainAbuse@service.Aliyun.com

Report abuse to their payment provider CoinPayments by opening a ticket on their freshdesk thread:
https://coinpay.freshdesk.com

Report their Twitter account as harmful and posting malicious website links:
https://twitter.com/coins777com?s=21

[Blockchayne]

He is basically taunting his victims by continually posting promos and advertisements while completely ignoring those he has stolen money from and refusing to respond across any of his social media accounts.  But I guarantee that I will have the entire site removed before long.  This type of behavior is so unnecessary. He could likely be profitable and possibly doing very well instead hes bottom feeding by accepting money of services he has no intention of providing. Truly pathetic.

Let’s see how long it takes before the site returns a 404.
Then let’s move to crypsino and repeat the process.
Finally coinvpn will also fall.
This cat and mouse game is tiresome.
But the cat always wins in the end. 

[Bitinity]

@OP why do ignore these kind of complaints? Posting promotions and events are still useless if you do have that kind of reputation you've been holding.

Deal with those issues first and make yourself look legit before minding on proceeding with marketing and promotiosn.Its just pointless honestly.

It is what OP usually do in his own thread, he started to ignore any complains, posts, questions, since months ago when he started to get the negative trust. After that, what he does is just bumping his own thread with repetitive post of the same news/updates every single day. It is clear that this site is not a place to trust, so anyone should realize it to avoid something bad.

[TwitchySeal]

@OP why do ignore these kind of complaints? Posting promotions and events are still useless if you do have that kind of reputation you've been holding.

Deal with those issues first and make yourself look legit before minding on proceeding with marketing and promotiosn.Its just pointless honestly.

It is what OP usually do in his own thread, he started to ignore any complains, posts, questions, since months ago when he started to get the negative trust. After that, what he does is just bumping his own thread with repetitive post of the same news/updates every single day. It is clear that this site is not a place to trust, so anyone should realize it to avoid something bad.

Bingo. Really hope he's wasting his time with this thread and nobody is falling for it.

[TwitchySeal]

Wow, this is great. The casino looks amazing. Besides Horse Racing there's a lot of games as well to play. I think I should play on this site too, mostly the horse racing (I really like horse racing so much)

I hope this site can get more players too.

Thank you very much for your opinion . Leave your nickname on our website, we will add you free credits!

Not even going to bother making an alt account to leave fake positive feedback?

[YOSHIE]

Horse racing betting is one of my favorite games, I spend a lot of time racing, looking at the horse racing sites that you publish here and I'm trying to get in looks fun.

However, I have some doubts about this situation:

They also operate
Crypsino
CoinFiesta
CoinVPN
And some other lame operations.

If you have been scammed I suggest you report them to their third party partners.

Report abuse to their LiveChat provider:
https://www.tawk.to/legal/report-abuse/

Report abuse to their domain registrar via email:
Abuse Contact: DomainAbuse@service.Aliyun.com

Report abuse to their payment provider CoinPayments by opening a ticket on their freshdesk thread:
https://coinpay.freshdesk.com

Report their Twitter account as harmful and posting malicious website links:
https://twitter.com/coins777com?s=21

In your thread I consider too many negative comments rather than positive, It makes me senile to waste money on your horse racing site, even though I have a hobby about horse racing betting.

I will consider at a later date when there are more positive comments.

[TwitchySeal]

Horse racing betting is one of my favorite games, I spend a lot of time racing, looking at the horse racing sites that you publish here and I'm trying to get in looks fun.

However, I have some doubts about this situation:

They also operate
Crypsino
CoinFiesta
CoinVPN
And some other lame operations.

If you have been scammed I suggest you report them to their third party partners.

Report abuse to their LiveChat provider:
https://www.tawk.to/legal/report-abuse/

Report abuse to their domain registrar via email:
Abuse Contact: DomainAbuse@service.Aliyun.com

Report abuse to their payment provider CoinPayments by opening a ticket on their freshdesk thread:
https://coinpay.freshdesk.com

Report their Twitter account as harmful and posting malicious website links:
https://twitter.com/coins777com?s=21

In your thread I consider too many negative comments rather than positive, It makes me senile to waste money on your horse racing site, even though I have a hobby about horse racing betting.

I will consider at a later date when there are more positive comments.

I have a feeling that later date isn't coming.  Just a hunch.

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

That's what puzzles me too, why is this thread not yet locked since this site is an already proven scam casino, I am sure that the mods won't find it wrong to lock a thread that could possibly gather more victims. Negative trust only goes a certain way and some people wouldn't really check it out since it is sort of a hassle since you are just looking for a gambling site to play.

Scam isn't moderated, and therefore it's not the role of moderators to lock threads that are thought to be run by scammers. We can only do as much as we can by warning other members through negative feedback, flags and scam accusations.

Those who don't do research or who ignore the warnings have no one else to blame except themselves for being negligent.

But isn't that the most passive way that you can deal with scams, I assume that you don't like that way they do it because I find neutrality as a contributor to the problem more than to the solution. I feel like I am not in the wrong here and I feel like some things should probably change in this forum to make it more proactive move against scams.

[TwitchySeal]

That's what puzzles me too, why is this thread not yet locked since this site is an already proven scam casino, I am sure that the mods won't find it wrong to lock a thread that could possibly gather more victims. Negative trust only goes a certain way and some people wouldn't really check it out since it is sort of a hassle since you are just looking for a gambling site to play.

Scam isn't moderated, and therefore it's not the role of moderators to lock threads that are thought to be run by scammers. We can only do as much as we can by warning other members through negative feedback, flags and scam accusations.

Those who don't do research or who ignore the warnings have no one else to blame except themselves for being negligent.

But isn't that the most passive way that you can deal with scams, I assume that you don't like that way they do it because I find neutrality as a contributor to the problem more than to the solution. I feel like I am not in the wrong here and I feel like some things should probably change in this forum to make it more proactive move against scams.

It's the users that are proactive.  Click on his profile and check out his trust.  It's very easy for anyone that's able to find this thread to also see where bittrafficme currently stands on this forum as far as trustworthiness goes.

[bitgov]

[~snip]

It's the users that are proactive.  Click on his profile and check out his trust.  It's very easy for anyone that's able to find this thread to also see where bittrafficme currently stands on this forum as far as trustworthiness goes.

I am one of big fan horse and was eager to try this site. But man thank you so much for posting so much reviews about this site. It clearly indicates that its a scam. I am surprised that why this thread is still active, despite so many negative trust to OP and reviews about this site. Its important to read reviews about the site on thread before investing anything, thats the only way to save your money.

 

[TwitchySeal]

[~snip]

It's the users that are proactive.  Click on his profile and check out his trust.  It's very easy for anyone that's able to find this thread to also see where bittrafficme currently stands on this forum as far as trustworthiness goes.

I am one of big fan horse and was eager to try this site. But man thank you so much for posting so much reviews about this site. It clearly indicates that its a scam. I am surprised that why this thread is still active, despite so many negative trust to OP and reviews about this site. Its important to read reviews about the site on thread before investing anything, thats the only way to save your money.

 

I'm thinking maybe he is being paid to post here by someone that never bother to check in on the forum.

[bittrafficme]

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[stomachgrowls]

~snip~

Since May you werent active on this forum anymore and now you've posted up some promotions? I dont think for it to be that relevant if you do look on

your trust feedback.Lots had been pointing you out as a scam casino which it is clear as day that you wont really be getting any players on this forum

until you do resolved it out but if not then expect for such being ignored.So dont expect too much on what you are trying to accomplish on here
in terms of marketing.