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While humans keep looking for easy way out of their financial woes, there is a high tendency they will keep failing prey for lack of financial intelligence and their unwillingness to learn. The blockchain industry is a bit technical and the basic of bitcoin transactions can be taught in a simple way and be digested by any willing mind.
It happened last year that my former course mate saw things about bitcoin on my status, he decided to pay me visit for some tutorials, I gave him an introductory class with some notes, since I was not going to help him invest his money on some money spinning machine with a daily or weekly payout, he never show up again.
In the early hours of today he dropped two messages on my whats-app as follows:
1. How long does it take bitcoin wallet to transfer bitcoin before it gets to the receiver? 2. And what is the highest a beginner can transfer out of his wallet?
At the introductory class, he was thought the 2 above and what a custodian and non-custodian wallet is all about. Long story short, himself and his friend bought bitcoin using bitstocksFx, never heard of this broker before, besides, I don't need any third party to buy me bitcoin. They claimed to be a bitcoin broker, they had initially purchased $500 worth, the suppose brother told them it was too small to be transferred out because they were new, they deposited additional $500, the next day they saw an imaginary $15k which they couldn't transfer out, they were told the money was invested for them and they need to deposit more in other to withdraw both the capital and the interest. When he suspected some foul play, he remembered me. I told he had rejected a free training class and that his friend and him have been scammed. I just recommended where he can legitimately buy bitcoin.
People hate to hear the truth, and the price they have to pay for short cut is been victim of scammers. I am waiting for him if he still wants to learn the basics of bitcoin, this I will still do for free.
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March 06, 2020, 04:46:02 PM |
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While humans keep looking for easy way out of their financial woes, there is a high tendency they will keep failing prey for lack of financial intelligence and their unwillingness to learn. The blockchain industry is a bit technical and the basic of bitcoin transactions can be taught in a simple way and be digested by any willing mind.
It happened last that my former course mate saw things about bitcoin on my status, he decided to pay me visit for some tutorials, I gave him an introductory class with some notes, since I was not going to help him invest his money on some money spinning machine with a daily or weekly payout, he never show up again.
In the early hours of today he dropped two messages on my whats-app as follows:
1. How long does it take bitcoin wallet to transfer bitcoin before it gets to the receiver? 2. And what is the highest a beginner can transfer out of his wallet?
At the introductory class, he was thought the 2 above and what a custodian and non-custodian wallet is all about. Long story short, himself and his friend bought bitcoin using bitstocksFx, never heard of this broker before, besides, I don't need any third party to buy me bitcoin. They claimed to be a bitcoin broker, they had initially purchased $500 worth, the suppose brother told them it was too small to be transferred out because they were new, they deposited additional $500, the next day they saw an imaginary $15k which they couldn't transfer out, they were told the money was invested for them and they need to deposit more in other to withdraw both the capital and the interest. When he suspected some foul play, he remembered me. I told he had rejected a free training class and that his friend and him have been scammed. I just recommended where he can legitimately buy bitcoin.
People hate to hear the truth, and the price they have to pay for short cut is been victim of scammers. I am waiting for him if he still wants to learn the basics of bitcoin, this I will still do for free.
That is one costly short cut he took. Ideally anyone else would have invested more but your stupid friend was smart enough to understand it was a scam. People still believe Bitcoin is the shortest way to become a millionaire. They should understand Bitcoin is not a scheme first. It is a technology to become financially independent.
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March 06, 2020, 04:52:46 PM |
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That's a very unfortunate story to hear. It's too easy to fall prey to any of the scam websites that claim to do X or Y but never deliver.
I've seen several "coin swap/exchange" websites (clones of legitimate sites like changelly) that show very appealing prices but the entire site is fake so if you happen to try and deposit coins you just lose your funds. Very nasty, especially since these sites are hard to spot. Even worse, you can find posts and articles around the web which promote the fake site because they have an affiliate program running!
I hope your friend has learned his lesson and didn't get butthurt too badly to give up on crypto entirely.
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March 06, 2020, 05:12:47 PM |
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Life teaches don't act without knowing what is being done: and even more bitcoin needs knowledge. They sinned that they wanted to make money quickly without studying: they were punished. Nothing is given to you for free, you have to commit yourself to understanding...
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March 06, 2020, 05:52:10 PM |
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Bitcoin lessons aren't cheap at all, some times we send to the wrong address, some times we spend in the wrong exchange or some times we invest in the wrong scheme, but they are just lessons, no one say it would be easy.
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Bitcoin lessons aren't cheap at all, some times we send to the wrong address, some times we spend in the wrong exchange or some times we invest in the wrong scheme, but they are just lessons, no one say it would be easy.
I would completely agree with your statement above. I can still remember the first time I bought Bitcoin and was transferring between wallets, I was so nervous that something would go wrong and I would lose my money. I also remember being amazed at how quickly the transfer went through and I could see and spend my Bitcoins - what an awesome moment! It's worth mentioning that when sending, always double verify the receiving address. You can quickly check the first few characters, and the last few characters to be fairly certain the copy/paste was correct. I suppose if you're real paranoid you could double check every character also! ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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March 06, 2020, 06:11:50 PM |
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Bitcoin lessons aren't cheap at all, some times we send to the wrong address, some times we spend in the wrong exchange or some times we invest in the wrong scheme, but they are just lessons, no one say it would be easy.
Moreover, it's not like dealing with fiat is much easier, it just has different problems. I've never lost any BTC, and it was not hard for me to learn how to use a wallet, how to send and receive BTC. With fiat, the wrong address or wrong exchange kind of problems are highly unlikely, but getting scammed is always a possibility. Also, you can get robbed on the streets, lose your banknotes accidentally or spoil them with water, food, heat, clumsiness. Not to mention how dirty banknotes are because people touch and exchange them so much! Knowledge is always important, especially when it comes to financial matters. Bitcoin doesn't require anything exceptional regarding that IMO.
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March 06, 2020, 07:27:50 PM |
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People hate to hear the truth, and the price they have to pay for short cut is been victim of scammers. I am waiting for him if he still wants to learn the basics of bitcoin, this I will still do for free.
Its never been has a cost on learning about bitcoin or crypto but good thing that you are telling them and giving out some of your time on educating them. If they do neglect you out then its their choice and now their coming back just to seek out some advise? Good thing you still accept them. Newbies do really have that common mistake which do really end up on investing to things which do offers too good to be true until they do realize that they had made some mistake when they got scammed.
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Bitcoin lessons aren't cheap at all, some times we send to the wrong address, some times we spend in the wrong exchange or some times we invest in the wrong scheme, but they are just lessons, no one say it would be easy.
I would completely agree with your statement above. I can still remember the first time I bought Bitcoin and was transferring between wallets, I was so nervous that something would go wrong and I would lose my money. I also remember being amazed at how quickly the transfer went through and I could see and spend my Bitcoins - what an awesome moment! It's worth mentioning that when sending, always double verify the receiving address. You can quickly check the first few characters, and the last few characters to be fairly certain the copy/paste was correct. I suppose if you're real paranoid you could double check every character also! ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) We have the same experience. When I first get my very first money here in this forum, Everytime I click, I ask my friend who have more knowledge on bitcoin. I want to make sure that every step, I will not make a wrong move for me to not to lose the money. Knowledge is the very first needed in digital currency. Since, we do not know who facilitates all the transactions in the digital world.
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March 07, 2020, 05:37:11 PM |
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More like they should stop believing in "brokers". Like, really, brokers for irl is already filled with words like scam scam scam (majority if not all) so why wouldn't it even be more so especially with how the internet is literally a free medium for them to scam others WITHOUT being caught. And knowledge is honestly very easy to obtain. Though you may need to filter a lot to be able to learn efficiently. The internet has a plethora of knowledge all over. No need to get lessons or what.
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People hate to hear the truth, and the price they have to pay for short cut is been victim of scammers. I am waiting for him if he still wants to learn the basics of bitcoin, this I will still do for free.
Its never been has a cost on learning about bitcoin or crypto but good thing that you are telling them and giving out some of your time on educating them. If they do neglect you out then its their choice and now their coming back just to seek out some advise? Good thing you still accept them. Newbies do really have that common mistake which do really end up on investing to things which do offers too good to be true until they do realize that they had made some mistake when they got scammed. I wonder what percentage of people who go out to learn how to use bitcoin don't view it as a get rich quick scheme? Regarding how much knowledge of bitcoin they need to use it properly, knowing how to use whatever wallet software you choose should be good enough, because if too much technical knowledge of blockchains is required before you can buy and sell stuff in bitcoin, then there would be sharply less people less willing to use it because many of them can't comprehend technical details. Consumer items that require less technical knowledge to operate tend to be more successful.
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March 07, 2020, 07:21:55 PM |
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May your friends gain valuable experience from that fatal mistake. Cryptocurrency is not something easy, it requires sufficient knowledge and experience to be able to adapt well. If you join cryptocurrency just because of the desire to get rich quickly, it will increase the opportunity to get caught in a scam. Desire should be balanced with a great learning process, the right strategy, and guidance from people who can be trusted, do not be lured into big rewards from people you do not know especially from the internet. Op has been kind enough to give free courses, unfortunately, his friend did not pay attention to it.
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March 07, 2020, 08:12:53 PM |
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It's the same in everything you do. If you lack electrical knowledge and start repairing electronics you will mess up the hardware and maybe even endanger your own life. If you have no experience in construction and start building houses you'll probably won't do well. People think they can invest with 0 knowledge and profit because some teenagers became millionaires. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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March 07, 2020, 09:41:24 PM |
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Bitcoin lessons aren't cheap at all, some times we send to the wrong address, some times we spend in the wrong exchange or some times we invest in the wrong scheme, but they are just lessons, no one say it would be easy.
That can be lessen if you start to learn before investing, but since there’s a lot of greedy people who keep on investing without having the right knowledge. Crypto investing is really expensive, and if you make a mistake you can’t undo that so make sure to make a decision that is base on your analysis. Don’t depend on any investment signal, those are not worth it in the long run.
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Honestly, it goes far beyond crypto-literacy, if someone fell for a scam like that, it could have happened with them in any other situation, like investing in stocks or opening a bank account or buying something online. Scams are not exclusive to crypto and same schemes can just as easily work with fiat, but a lot of people don't get scammed because they have some common sense and check the reputation of the sites they are going to deal with.
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March 07, 2020, 10:47:50 PM |
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Honestly, it goes far beyond crypto-literacy, if someone fell for a scam like that, it could have happened with them in any other situation, like investing in stocks or opening a bank account or buying something online. Scams are not exclusive to crypto and same schemes can just as easily work with fiat, but a lot of people don't get scammed because they have some common sense and check the reputation of the sites they are going to deal with.
You are right, fraud can happen everywhere, and when it comes to new technologies and innovations such as cryptocurrency especially bitcoin will be an exclusive topic that is often made hyperbole. Crimes occur because of the opportunity and lack of knowledge of the target of fraud. That is why understanding the cryptocurrency ecosystem is important, one of the goals is to find out the worst risks so that they can make prevention strategies so that those risks can be minimized. Unfortunately, most people are interested in bitcoin because it "can make rich quick" without knowing what its ecosystem is like. And innocently handed over their money to be multiplied. That is stupid. That's a big mistake in investing. Even more stupid for not asking questions and learning in advance with people who have the experience, such as the events described OP. That will lead to a bad experience.
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i have seen that newcomers who suffer like this are suffering for two main reasons, first is their greed of wanting to become rich overnight which could also be the product of the second reason which is other newbies who misled them by giving them a lot of bad information. for example for a long time i have seen a lot of people (on another forum, in the same country as me) thought blockchain.info is to bitcoin as paypal.com is to paypal dollars! i had to spend a lot of time making them understand how things work and how blockchain.info (.com now) doesn't own bitcoin and they shouldn't even be using it as their wallet.
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March 08, 2020, 06:08:53 AM |
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As many people are coming to invest in the crypto industry, some malicious people are taking advantage to make some good to be true offers that will lead to the loss of funds to those newbie investors. if they arm themselves with enough knowledge to prevent by getting scammed with these crooks. First of all, when you are offered by someone who claims to know this industry very well, you need to research some reviews of that offer. usually, if it is good to be true, then that kind of offers have a high percentage of fraud or ponzi scheme.
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March 08, 2020, 06:20:11 AM |
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That is what people get from someone that offers a big profit in the short term. Your friend needs to learn more about bitcoin because once he bought bitcoin at the exchanges and hold it, he doesn't need to buy another bitcoin if he doesn't want. After all, that will be enough for them to keep it for a while.
I guess he doesn't want to learn from you, so he decides to learn by himself, and unfortunately, he got the bad experience in out there. There is nothing to blame in this case because he chooses to search by himself and don't ask you about those 2 questions. Perhaps, if he asks you, he doesn't have to get that experience, but all things already happen, and you can hope that he can learn from his mistake.
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davis196
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March 08, 2020, 06:30:42 AM |
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This type of scam is the most stupid one of all. Deposit more funds so you can withdraw?!?WTF?No broker or invesment fund works like that. Those 2 guys that were scammed didn't do any simple research about the service-online reviews,scam reposts,etc.They would have been scammed,even if they were using a non-crypto related HYIP "investment" scam.Nobody with a brain will signup to some unknown "broker" and deposit 1K USD just like that. It's not about knowledge.It's about common sense and being cautious.
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