Forum merit system

[posi]

The merit system was implemented by the forum mod in other to force and increase post quality by this forum users which is the reason why some campaign managers also included it as one of the major requirements when selecting campaign participants. But merit misuse is so many these days especially in the Wall Observer BTC/USD (Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion) and some local thread where people would post absolutely nothing worth to be merited.

Note : I understand that I'm not the first person to complain about merit been abused. But
the question is, what are the forum mods doing about all this?

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[BitcoinGirl.Club]

But merit misuse is so many these days especially in the Wall Observer BTC/USD (Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion)

I think you have no idea about the WO culture. This is an unmoderated thread by forum officials. Yes we have info who take cares of unwanted posts and he is doing very well. Regarding merits in WO, once you will get to know with our culture then you will realize we are not just handing out merits for no reasons. There are reasons to send out merits and we understand humors very well.

Do visit us sometimes to know aobut us more, it's hard to explain.

By the way, I think this is a meta topic not for Bitcoin Discussions.

[DooMAD]

what are the forum mods doing about all this?

Absolutely nothing.  Because there's nothing that needs to be done.  Wall Observer is kind of like a force of nature that acts independently with its own whims and idiosyncrasies.  You either get involved or you stay out of its path.  In no conceivable way do you attempt to mess with it or alter its natural course.  Many have tried.  All have failed.  Just try to accept it for what it is.

[NeuroticFish]

But merit misuse is so many these days

Way too many posts are undermerited or overmerited, no matter if it's in WO or not. Some complain some not. Most have understood. You didn't. Not yet.
The human factor is huge in the merit distribution. And this puzzles the most. But it was designed to be like this. So chill. Not much else you can do anyway.

[bitcoinPsycho]

The merit system was implemented by the forum mod in other to force and increase post quality by this forum users which is the reason why some campaign managers also included it as one of the major requirements when selecting campaign participants. But merit misuse is so many these days especially in the Wall Observer BTC/USD (Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion) and some local thread where people would post absolutely nothing worth to be merited.

Note : I understand that I'm not the first person to complain about merit been abused. But
the question is, what are the forum mods doing about all this?

Keep your complaining to yourself. WHO do you think you are? Forum police? People can judge for themselves who's worthy of merit NOT you.

[xhomerx10]

What we need is an elected administrator of merit who resides over an elected merit board of governors to come up with an overly-extensive set of rules for merit allocation.  Terms for the elected members should be no more than 2 months to keep us on our toes.  Penalties for violating the rules could range from merit count reductions to death by lethal injection for the grossest of merit abuse violations - especially in that cesspool of merit abusers who rarely emerge from their insidious breeding ground - the Wall Observer BTC/USD (Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion) - those bastards!!

 I would like to take this opportunity to nominate Last of the V8s as our first ever administrator of merit as I believe him to be impartial and blessed with a pleasant, inoffensive sense of humour which can be enjoyed by forum members of all ages.


edit:  I have a good idea for the merit board motto

Jealous can make a faithful person 2 be unfaithful
~posi

[JSRAW]

OP if it makes you feel any better then we all going to die sooner or later.

"Jealously is quickest path to get Nirvana"  Gautama Buddha on weed

[rhomelmabini]

AFAIK that thread is where the real bitcoiners (to say the least, you may find fudsters there too) are lurking and it is the real thing in this forum. You're complaining that posts there aren't worthy to be merited but have you spent even an hour of your forum hours there and see what they've really got there? If not then you should do. Mind me you'll feel the hatters.

[xhomerx10]

AFAIK that thread is where the real bitcoiners (to say the least, you may find fudsters there too) are lurking and it is the real thing in this forum. You're complaining that posts there aren't worthy to be merited but have you spent even an hour of your forum hours there and see what they've really got there? If not then you should do. Mind me you'll feel the hatters.

  There are a lot of real Bitcoiners in there... Hodlers and traders alike.  Also, hatters gonna hat!

[The Cryptovator]

Note : I understand that I'm not the first person to complain about merit been abused. But
the question is, what are the forum mods doing about all this?

Can you please show me how many merit abuse case you have made on this forum? Moderators do not have any business with merit system. So what you expect from moderators? If you have obvious merit abuse case like merit sells or merit trading then please open accusation on reputation board.

On the others hand, since merits is sometimes determine about user quality that's why managers asking for earning merit. I can't see anything wrong about it. Everyone should have try to make good & useful post. At least someone will try to make good post due to managers requirements.

[bitserve]

The merit system was implemented by the forum mod in other to force and increase post quality by this forum users which is the reason why some campaign managers also included it as one of the major requirements when selecting campaign participants. But merit misuse is so many these days especially in the Wall Observer BTC/USD (Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion) and some local thread where people would post absolutely nothing worth to be merited.

Note : I understand that I'm not the first person to complain about merit been abused. But
the question is, what are the forum mods doing about all this?

If you had lurked long enough in WO before complaining, you would have realised many things. One of those is that we are not interested in "meta drama", so please leave us out of it. If, OTOH, you are really interested in discussing many Bitcoin related (plus some loosely related) things you are welcome to join us and maybe, just maybe, you will also earn some of those merits that seem to be as much important for you.

You should also know, if you don't already and maybe that's the reason you don't post there, that campaign signatures are not displayed in WO so posts there don't count for pay. That would give you an idea that most regulars of WO are not here for the merit, the campaigns, the bounties or anything besides casually sharing/discussing about Bitcoin and other topics that might be of some (even if loose) relevance for other Bitcoiners.

If that sounds good to you, you are welcome to join whenever you want and try to earn as much merit as you are able. If it's not your thing... well... the forum is HUGE and diverse, find sections where you are comfortable and somehow fit in, keep contributing according to its specific rules, culture and your own style and the merit will come. Or not. Who cares?

[bones261]

The merit system was implemented by the forum mod in other to force and increase post quality by this forum users which is the reason why some campaign managers also included it as one of the major requirements when selecting campaign participants. But merit misuse is so many these days especially in the Wall Observer BTC/USD (Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion) and some local thread where people would post absolutely nothing worth to be merited.

Note : I understand that I'm not the first person to complain about merit been abused. But
the question is, what are the forum mods doing about all this?

One person's garbage is another person's treasure. If the WO regulars want to merit pictures of big green dildos and scantily clad women, that's their prerogative. The only time the administration got involved is when a merit source staged a merit giveaway. The only requirement was to be one of the first few people to post anything in the WO thread. That merit source had his privilege taken away.

[bitserve]

The merit system was implemented by the forum mod in other to force and increase post quality by this forum users which is the reason why some campaign managers also included it as one of the major requirements when selecting campaign participants. But merit misuse is so many these days especially in the Wall Observer BTC/USD (Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion) and some local thread where people would post absolutely nothing worth to be merited.

Note : I understand that I'm not the first person to complain about merit been abused. But
the question is, what are the forum mods doing about all this?

One person's garbage is another person's treasure. If the WO regulars want to merit pictures of big green dildos and scantily clad women, that's their prerogative. The only time the administration got involved is when a merit source staged a merit giveaway. The only requirement was to be one of the first few people to post anything in the WO thread. That merit source had his privilege taken away.

Maybe it should also be noted that he was sending it in huge lots of 25/50 (IIRC) merits for each single post. And, AFAIK, even that was not considered abuse (there were clearly no ill intention or collusion), but Theymos just decided that it was not appropriate usage of the sourced merits.

[Findingnemo]

You should understand one thing,not every good post is going to be merited yes this is unfair but that is the reality of our world as well not everyone have same kind of life.So just do what you are doing and let the merits come at you.

If campaign managers are selecting participants based on merits alone then this is wrong and not much-reputed bitcoin signature campaign managers were doing this.

[DireWolfM14]

what are the forum mods doing about all this?

Nothing.  Awarding merit is not moderated, the mods don't have time or the inclination to deal with that as a headache.  Also, awarding merit is subjective, every one who has received merit can give away their sMerit anyway they wish, within reason.  I'm not a merit source, but I can only assume the same holds true for them.  No body is looking over the merit source's shoulder to make sure they are giving merit to the "right posts."

Then there's this:

If they complain about amounts, tell them to complain to me.

[bones261]

One person's garbage is another person's treasure. If the WO regulars want to merit pictures of big green dildos and scantily clad women, that's their prerogative. The only time the administration got involved is when a merit source staged a merit giveaway. The only requirement was to be one of the first few people to post anything in the WO thread. That merit source had his privilege taken away.

Maybe it should also be noted that he was sending it in huge lots of 25/50 (IIRC) merits for each single post. And, AFAIK, even that was not considered abuse (there were clearly no ill intention or collusion), but Theymos just decided that it was not appropriate usage of the sourced merits.

Yes, it really wasn't abuse. He just wanted to distribute a whole bunch of source merits in a hurry and get them off his plate. I can definitely understand. I myself took a break for a few months from the forum. I came back to discover that my source merit allowance was increased. I compensated by increasing the amount of merits that I gave out per post. However, it appears that the number that I was using was too big, because I've been out of source merit for quite a few days and am now fresh out of smerit, too. No worries, though. The source merit should start to be replenished in a couple of days. I'm definitely not going to beg theymos to increase my allotment. 

[bonesjonesreturns]

WO thread is the tip of the iceberg. Merit is the most dangerous and damaging thing ever introduced to this forum. 
It's design, as a member previously mentioned is  very similar to fiat that powers the central banking system.
Source, by trading or cycling merits with other sources and their close allies who vote each other on to Default Trust, control the eligibility of members to generate revenue here and therefore control their free speech.
There could be tweaks to mitigate the negative impact of merit. Those have been ignored and further destructive power given to the merit metric over time.

The results are as you would expect. Merit sources and mates stacked with merit, entrenched  in default trust wearing the highest paying signatures. Other members kissing up supporting their every word not daring to step out of line dreaming of their chip mixer day in the sun. On route to one large echo chamber

Don't expect any support for moving towards a useful fair and sensible distribution of merits in meta. This is the nest of the vipers. Their power and advantage would dissipate almost immediately if the playing field was made level.

WO sees a crazy amount of merits cycled for memes and garbage. One could go there and play human centipede between Bob and bones261.  You first mate. I'll enjoy my red tags and no merits if you won't mind.

[Fickle-Friend]

But merit misuse is so many these days especially in the Wall Observer BTC/USD (Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion)

I think you have no idea about the WO culture. This is an unmoderated thread by forum officials. Yes we have info who take cares of unwanted posts and he is doing very well. Regarding merits in WO, once you will get to know with our culture then you will realize we are not just handing out merits for no reasons. There are reasons to send out merits and we understand humors very well.

Do visit us sometimes to know aobut us more, it's hard to explain.

By the way, I think this is a meta topic not for Bitcoin Discussions.

If it doesn't belong to the main board why merits are allowed there then?

The thread is so long that you can't retrieve any old post there, so it's fully irrelevant to merit any post overthere...
except if you just want to exchange merits between friends...

[gentlemand]

Every merit score is a collective vote open to anyone.

I do not believe the probable majority of merit earned in the WO thread would have a hope in hell of being merited elsewhere but it's everyone's personal choice where that merit is sent.

The most egregious examples of merit piss taking between clearly worthless posts or accounts are usually picked up on and singled out rapidly so I think it's doing the job it was intended to do with the odd weird outlier.

And why are you not moaning about threads about merit stats? That's the true bottomless pit for the throwing around of merit.

[bones261]

WO thread is the tip of the iceberg. Merit is the most dangerous and damaging thing ever introduced to this forum.  
It's design, as a member previously mentioned is  very similar to fiat that powers the central banking system.
Source, by trading or cycling merits with other sources and their close allies who vote each other on to Default Trust, control the eligibility of members to generate revenue here and therefore control their free speech.
There could be tweaks to mitigate the negative impact of merit. Those have been ignored and further destructive power given to the merit metric over time.

The results are as you would expect. Merit sources and mates stacked with merit, entrenched  in default trust wearing the highest paying signatures. Other members kissing up supporting their every word not daring to step out of line dreaming of their chip mixer day in the sun. On route to one large echo chamber

Don't expect any support for moving towards a useful fair and sensible distribution of merits in meta. This is the nest of the vipers. Their power and advantage would dissipate almost immediately if the playing field was made level.

WO sees a crazy amount of merits cycled for memes and garbage. One could go there and play human centipede between Bob and bones261.  You first mate. I'll enjoy my red tags and no merits if you won't mind.

Hey look bud, I've distributed my merits in a whole lot more places than the WO board. Stop busting my chops. I never asked to become a merit source. It was granted to me. All this fucking volunteer work that I have done for this forum and I have to sit here and read vitriol from the likes of you. Since you mentioned that you enjoy your red tags, I won't be giving you any.   I'd consider giving you a shitload of merit just to spite you. However, I am fresh out. Therefore, as far as I'm concerned, you can just go fuck off.