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The deaths by Corona are actually less than the ones caused by regular flu in the previous years. So Elon Musk is right. You can just check the flu death stats for the past years and compare them with this year.
But what's the reason for the hoax? I think it is to harm the local businesses by forcing them to close, so that the big e-commerce sites can profit because the local shops are their competition.
To confirm this theory, just wait for the 1st quarter 2020 revenue reports by Alibaba, Amazon, eBay etc. and compare them with the 1st quarter 2019. If you see a big increase in the 2020 , you have the evidence
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I don't think people will be buying things on e commerce sites on the situations like these and even some countries already having restrictions on overseas purchases until further notices so this is not for the profits of e commerce sites.
But it could be a profit for someone, but who is going to be?
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No, it's not a hoax. It's a respiratory illness that is now a pandemic. About 200k people have it (that is out of those that have been tested, I truly think this number is much higher) and people are dying of it.
The vast majority of people are losing money from this. The stock market is crumbling, bitcoin is crumbling, unsure on real estate, crude oil is crumbling in price (good for consumers, bad for investors) b/c of a trade war, there is a shortage of certain necessities around the world.
Even if a few people could make money here, this is horrible situation that no one is happy to be in right now.
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March 18, 2020, 08:03:10 PM |
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The deaths by Corona are actually less than the ones caused by regular flu in the previous years. So Elon Musk is right. You can just check the flu death stats for the past years and compare them with this year.
That's nonsense. Mortality rate seems higher than flu, and the R0 value that represents how contagious it is also seems higher. The main factor however is that there is no pre-existing immunity. This is why it is sweeping through whole populations; there is no brake from the people who are immune because they have had it before - no-one has had this before. And you can't compare death stats of covid-19 with prior year flu because the covid-19 pandemic is in progress right now, numbers will climb massively from current levels. No, it's not a hoax. It's a respiratory illness that is now a pandemic. About 200k people have it (that is out of those that have been tested, I truly think this number is much higher) and people are dying of it.
The vast majority of people are losing money from this. The stock market is crumbling, bitcoin is crumbling, unsure on real estate, crude oil is crumbling in price (good for consumers, bad for investors) b/c of a trade war, there is a shortage of certain necessities around the world.
Even if a few people could make money here, this is horrible situation that no one is happy to be in right now.
Exactly. Economies are in major trouble. I suspect there will be huge waves of nationalisation of whole industries before this thing is done.
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March 18, 2020, 08:17:39 PM |
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The deaths by Corona are actually less than the ones caused by regular flu in the previous years. So Elon Musk is right. You can just check the flu death stats for the past years and compare them with this year.
That's nonsense. Mortality rate seems higher than flu, and the R0 value that represents how contagious it is also seems higher. The main factor however is that there is no pre-existing immunity. This is why it is sweeping through whole populations; there is no brake from the people who are immune because they have had it before - no-one has had this before. And you can't compare death stats of covid-19 with prior year flu because the covid-19 pandemic is in progress right now, numbers will climb massively from current levels. No, it's not a hoax. It's a respiratory illness that is now a pandemic. About 200k people have it (that is out of those that have been tested, I truly think this number is much higher) and people are dying of it.
The vast majority of people are losing money from this. The stock market is crumbling, bitcoin is crumbling, unsure on real estate, crude oil is crumbling in price (good for consumers, bad for investors) b/c of a trade war, there is a shortage of certain necessities around the world.
Even if a few people could make money here, this is horrible situation that no one is happy to be in right now.
Exactly. Economies are in major trouble. I suspect there will be huge waves of nationalisation of whole industries before this thing is done. I don't know if I would go as far as nationalization of industries, though I do think certain government (unsure on if the US will go this far) on telling their industries that they desperately need them to make certain goods. This would kinda be like a war time economy, where the government is telling industry that they need certain goods made. In a war time it is more forecful, but who knows what will happen when we're in a time of chaos and panic and people need certain things. We'll see what happens in the coming days. Going to get much worse before it gets better.
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March 18, 2020, 11:15:59 PM |
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Corona bologna. That's really good. Especially if it is bologna made out of franken-CV-meat.
Corona Bologna: The Truth Begins to Leak Out in Italy...The government of Italy, as everyone knows, has locked down the whole country of 60 million people. So how many Italians have died from COV? Even by the standards of the useless and misleading diagnostic tests?
Ready?
As far as the Italian Higher Institute of Health knows, at this point:
Maybe two.
Maybe.
Try to wrap your mind around that.
Good luck.
Seems the president of the Italian Higher Institute has some smarts. He understands that people who already have other serious health conditions, which have nothing to do with COV, can and do die from those other conditions, regardless of the fact that they've tested positive (on useless tests) for COV. He gets it. I predict a great future for him. If he keeps shooting his mouth off, he might find himself working as a weed puller in a forest. Or he might suddenly be diagnosed with the virus and find himself in isolation. ... or suicided.![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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March 18, 2020, 11:41:54 PM |
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No, it's not a hoax. It's a respiratory illness that is now a pandemic. About 200k people have it (that is out of those that have been tested, I truly think this number is much higher) and people are dying of it.
The vast majority of people are losing money from this. The stock market is crumbling, bitcoin is crumbling, unsure on real estate, crude oil is crumbling in price (good for consumers, bad for investors) b/c of a trade war, there is a shortage of certain necessities around the world.
Even if a few people could make money here, this is horrible situation that no one is happy to be in right now.
Definitely not a hoax. If you live in a country with COVID cases, you will understand the situation that it is real. And not designed to profit those ecommerce companies as their shipping to other countries are being held also. There's no one in profit here. A large percentage of population is in loss right now.
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March 19, 2020, 02:14:12 AM |
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The deaths by Corona are actually less than the ones caused by regular flu in the previous years. So Elon Musk is right. You can just check the flu death stats for the past years and compare them with this year.
But what's the reason for the hoax? I think it is to harm the local businesses by forcing them to close, so that the big e-commerce sites can profit because the local shops are their competition.
To confirm this theory, just wait for the 1st quarter 2020 revenue reports by Alibaba, Amazon, eBay etc. and compare them with the 1st quarter 2019. If you see a big increase in the 2020 , you have the evidence
I don't think it's a hoax it's real and the world is battling against everyone is a victim here no one is safe here, and it could even collapse the e-commerce if we cannot contain this, it's an outrageous theory and very vicious one, to create something like this just for profit, you cannot compare it to flu because there is no cure for this virus, I think you are taking this lightly.
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March 19, 2020, 05:20:33 AM |
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The deaths by Corona are actually less than the ones caused by regular flu in the previous years.
Are people not actually looking at the mortality rate for coronavirus? The morality rate is 1.4-3% A Yale epidemiologist released a study which showed a 3.4% mortality rate world wide. That is nearly 34x the mortality rate of the flu. Stop propagating this bullshit that coronavirus is just like the flu. It's worse.
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It is a fact that there is no fraud for the coroner virus The human body is infected in such a way that the number of fatalities is so high that it causes lungs It is spread all over the world, now Italy is in the face of much harm. No one can ever cheat on it. The impact of the Coronavirus on Bitcoin has affected everyone in the trade.
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Oh, dear. It was an honest math mistake!
Before Economy Totally Disintegrates - Will Anyone Else Notice WHO Director Made BASIC MATH ERRORBefore the US economy disintegrates into nothingness — Will any so-called expert out there also notice that the WHO Director caused a global coronavirus panic over a basic math error? * * * * * * * * * * * The controversial Ethiopian politician and Director General of the World Health Organization (WHO), Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, claimed in a press conference in early March that the fatality rate for the coronavirus was many multiples that of the fatality rate of the common flu. This egregiously false premise has led to the greatest economic panic in world history. The Director General of the WHO spoke on March 3, 2020 and shared this related to the coronavirus: While many people globally have built up immunity to seasonal flu strains, COVID-19 is a new virus to which no one has immunity. That means more people are susceptible to infection, and some will suffer severe disease. Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected. Here is the video of Dr. Ghebreyesus's remarks. Coronavirus Outbreak (COVID - 19): WHO Update (3 March 2020)
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Although the e-commerce sector is developing every year, local shops in any country still have a significant market share. There are a lot of rumors and assumptions about the emergence of coronavirus, but as long as there is no concrete evidence, they will be just assumptions. In my opinion, the use of this kind of virus in the form of biological weapons is too risky for all mankind.
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March 19, 2020, 05:26:25 PM |
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~snip~
Although the e-commerce sector is developing every year, local shops in any country still have a significant market share. There are a lot of rumors and assumptions about the emergence of coronavirus, but as long as there is no concrete evidence, they will be just assumptions. In my opinion, the use of this kind of virus in the form of biological weapons is too risky for all mankind. Let's wait for the revenue reports of the 1st quarter 2020. In case of a huge revenue increase compared to Q1 2019, it would be fishy
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March 19, 2020, 05:41:41 PM |
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Let's wait for the revenue reports of the 1st quarter 2020. In case of a huge revenue increase compared to Q1 2019, it would be fishy
We can already say in advance that everyone will suffer losses except pharmaceutical companies and of course e-commerce will suffer less than local shops. My opinion is based only on logic. It is not advisable to release a virus to fight against competitors if it can lead to the complete destruction of humanity (the only consumer of goods and services). After all, no one knows how the coronavirus can mutate and what the consequences will be.
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The deaths by Corona are actually less than the ones caused by regular flu in the previous years. So Elon Musk is right. You can just check the flu death stats for the past years and compare them with this year.
But what's the reason for the hoax? I think it is to harm the local businesses by forcing them to close, so that the big e-commerce sites can profit because the local shops are their competition.
To confirm this theory, just wait for the 1st quarter 2020 revenue reports by Alibaba, Amazon, eBay etc. and compare them with the 1st quarter 2019. If you see a big increase in the 2020 , you have the evidence
How about you wait for the 1st quarter of 2021 and count the number of deaths by COVID-19 and then compare it to the yearly flu deaths? Hint: Its only the 3rd month of this year, and there are already 9844 deaths. Italy has surpassed China, so Europe has a very grim outlook. Also, its getting out of hand in the USA (because of people implying "its a hoax", then go partying to get infected etc...). I saw a video from Spain, and the same Italian drama is repeating over there. Their healthcare system cannot cope with the number of patients, and like Italy they have to prioritize and leave many without any treatment. Some people here have been mocking the forum's healthcare worker, you have no idea what you have done... The videos are out there, they might have just not been translated into English yet. but that might not be needed as it appears the USA is going down the same path.
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The deaths by Corona are actually less than the ones caused by regular flu in the previous years. So Elon Musk is right. You can just check the flu death stats for the past years and compare them with this year.
But what's the reason for the hoax? I think it is to harm the local businesses by forcing them to close, so that the big e-commerce sites can profit because the local shops are their competition.
To confirm this theory, just wait for the 1st quarter 2020 revenue reports by Alibaba, Amazon, eBay etc. and compare them with the 1st quarter 2019. If you see a big increase in the 2020 , you have the evidence
How about you wait for the 1st quarter of 2021 and count the number of deaths by COVID-19 and then compare it to the yearly flu deaths? Hint: Its only the 3rd month of this year, and there are already 9844 deaths. Italy has surpassed China, so Europe has a very grim outlook. Also, its getting out of hand in the USA (because of people implying "its a hoax", then go partying to get infected etc...). I saw a video from Spain, and the same Italian drama is repeating over there. Their healthcare system cannot cope with the number of patients, and like Italy they have to prioritize and leave many without any treatment. Some people here have been mocking the forum's healthcare worker, you have no idea what you have done... The videos are out there, they might have just not been translated into English yet. but that might not be needed as it appears the USA is going down the same path. If you do nothing (like it is done in case of flu), the whole US population will be infected in 40 days. Half in 39 days.
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If you do nothing (like it is done in case of flu), the whole US population will be infected in 40 days. Half in 39 days.
A lot of people just look at the two figures for a) how many people each infected person passes the virus to, and b) the mortality rate for those that have the virus. Whilst these are important, the huge difference between COVID-19 and normal flu is that normal flu has a lot of pre-existing immunity, which has a huge effect on limiting the spread. Whereas with something like COVID-19, no-one has had it before, there is no immunity, and so it sweeps through the population.
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The deaths by Corona are actually less than the ones caused by regular flu in the previous years. So Elon Musk is right. You can just check the flu death stats for the past years and compare them with this year.
But what's the reason for the hoax? I think it is to harm the local businesses by forcing them to close, so that the big e-commerce sites can profit because the local shops are their competition.
To confirm this theory, just wait for the 1st quarter 2020 revenue reports by Alibaba, Amazon, eBay etc. and compare them with the 1st quarter 2019. If you see a big increase in the 2020 , you have the evidence
How about you wait for the 1st quarter of 2021 and count the number of deaths by COVID-19 and then compare it to the yearly flu deaths? Hint: Its only the 3rd month of this year, and there are already 9844 deaths. Italy has surpassed China, so Europe has a very grim outlook. Also, its getting out of hand in the USA (because of people implying "its a hoax", then go partying to get infected etc...). I saw a video from Spain, and the same Italian drama is repeating over there. Their healthcare system cannot cope with the number of patients, and like Italy they have to prioritize and leave many without any treatment. Some people here have been mocking the forum's healthcare worker, you have no idea what you have done... The videos are out there, they might have just not been translated into English yet. but that might not be needed as it appears the USA is going down the same path. If you do nothing (like it is done in case of flu), the whole US population will be infected in 40 days. Half in 39 days. Doctors and the medical have enough trouble taking care of patients. Do something, like doctors and the medical always do, and get government out of it. Government is making it worse, besides destroying the world economy. Check into it. The world money system is collapsing. The Bankers are influencing governments to make it look like it is the fault of CV. But the world Ponzi fiat system would be collapsing anyway. The Bankers and Government people are protecting themselves by making CV to be the scapegoat. And while protecting themselves from society backlash this CV-way, they are making CV to be 10X worse than it would have been if government had stayed out of it - https://youtu.be/pmkqtsf_fY0![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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... Some people here have been mocking the forum's healthcare worker, you have no idea what you have done... The videos are out there, they might have just not been translated into English yet. but that might not be needed as it appears the USA is going down the same path.
Who is 'the' (singular) 'forum healthcare worker'? That e_o_l_e_o guy? Claims to be a doctor but there is no way to know. Sure he has more science skilz than most of the bozos on this board, but that's not saying much. I don't think I've seen anything he said which wasn't standard faire that one can find anywhere on the net. Also his posting history indicates that he's got plenty of free time between seeing all those covid-19 patients to dick around on bitcointalk 'helping' folks find 'coin mixers' and set up 'secure wallets'. So many people are so easy to scam with the simplest psychological devices. Oh well. As for the vids, I've seen some clips with all beds full in a three bed room and some Italian doctor or nurse saying she is tired, but frankly speaking, if one took away the breathless commentary and only had the vids to look at one would be hard pressed to notice anything indicating overload conditions. One fairly effective form of psy-ops is to show video of fairly ordinary conditions and having people _talk_ about some hurricane, shooting, etc. When a person is talking about a disaster, that is what sheeple watching the footage see. A technique I use is to take a pass at this stuff tuning the dialog out completely and just studying what I see in the video/imagery only.
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It's more loss than gain in overall terms. The only profitable companies would be like e-commerce websites and those because people would stay in their homes and order stuffs. Then also, the loss is too much for such a little profit.
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