Covid-19 DONATION CryptoLocalATM self-moderated?

[dkbit98]

What happened: CryptoLocalATM posting multiple self-moderated Covid-19 WHO Donation topics

Bitcointalk Profile CryptoLocalATM: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2008499
Archive: http://archive.vn/nL3tC
ANN https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5234195.
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Website: www.donationscovid19.net
Archive: http://archive.vn/4AHSf

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What do you think:
Is this legitimate website or not?

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[LFC_Bitcoin]

I don’t think it’s remotely legitimate, I’d say it’s almost certainly a scam so I’ve negged him. Some people really are scum.

[dkbit98]

I don’t think it’s remotely legitimate, I’d say it’s almost certainly a scam so I’ve negged him. Some people really are scum.

I am not quick to judge, that is why I ask other DT members,
as recently one site had real connection with WHO even if it looked suspicious.

Maybe @babo can write more as he gave him 1 merit and he is from Italy
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=65636

[tvplus006]

I don’t think it’s remotely legitimate, I’d say it’s almost certainly a scam so I’ve negged him. Some people really are scum.

I am not quick to judge, that is why I ask other DT members,
as recently one site had real connection with WHO even if it looked suspicious.

As far as I understand, this site was created by a campaign that develops and supports a gateway for accepting bitcoins at retail, as well as BTC ATMs in Italy. On their official website, they write about this charity event: https://cryptolocalatm.com/bitcoin-donation-to-hospitals-for-the-covid-19-emergency/ them and Twitter: https://twitter.com/CryptoLocalATM/status/1240338594428043266 I may be wrong about the sincerity of CryptoLocalATM work, but at this point I have no reason to accuse them of fraud.

Now the topic specified by OP is deleted , as it was a duplicate of the thread placed earlier: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5234037.0  
Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20200320192203/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5234037.0

[dkbit98]

Messages I received in PM from CryptoLocalATM:

Why do you want to destroy our trust? I have not left you any feedback because you have given me a negative feedback accusing us of our noble initiative? we are not scammers we are a serious and reliable company in italy they all know us but just do some research on google we are always present in various blockchain events, we have 6 atm, and we provide blockchain services to more than 600 Italian companies with our pos, gateway and atm we don't need and we have never cheated anyone ... it's bad to be told this without even knowing each other. I do not find it correct that you have given us a negative feedback by invoking ruining our profile does not seem correct to me.

neutral for what reason then? you lost your precious time I imagine to create a post throwing mud on our noble work ... We have all our atm blocked because of the virus crown and we worked precisely because more than 3000 people died and you instead of helping you throw mud on of us without first checking our site and our history. Please delete that post especially on the scam section because we are not scams and our 2 year reputation proves it. thank you

My reply:

- I did not give you negative, but NEUTRAL feedback.
- I don't want to 'destroy' anyone.
- Consider making topics that are not self moderated.
- Don't create multiple topics in all local sections if they are not translated correctly.
http://archive.vn/nL3tC

[dkbit98]

If you wanted to create topic in Croatian local section for example - You need to post in Croatian language only.
Hire someone to translate or ask for help with translation.
I did not create multiple copy/paste topics in all local sections. You did that.

You can do as you like, but this is not the way to help people with Covid worldwide and in Italy.

I can create a post where I say that you are cheating with https://gold.storage/en/home without any proof ... would like to?

Are you threatening me?

[dkbit98]

I have nothing more to add than to report the post to the appropriate authorities.

Please report it, and make sure to read what I wrote in first post.

I absolutely do not threaten anyone you are accusing an honest company of scam so I ask you to delete the topic because it makes no sense.

Looks like a mafia threat to me.

[Vod]

I tried to ask a couple simple questions, and my posts were promptly deleted.

Obviously this person will take any coins and disappear. 

[mikeywith]

self-moderate was deliberately chosen to avoid getting it dirty and focus only on the collection and also because many people jealous of us and of our initiative are always ready to hinder us without checking that we are a company with a historical and reliability

Scammers have always taken advantages of things like donations for war victims, natural disasters and pandemics are no difference, it's a common tradition for scammers here to create a locked/self-moderated topics, and it's pretty normal for people to accuse or suspect you for scam simply for 1- asking for money 2- Having a self-moderated topic, those two things are like mixing gasoline and fire.

I am not accusing you of anything, I am also not defending you either, for all I know, you could be a legit kind soul that is trying to help fight the deadly virus, and you may very well be just another scammer, what I am trying to do is point you to the right direction of doing things, start by not having a self-moderated topic, accept suspensions with an open heart, do NOT ignore them yet ANSWER them, if I am going to donate a dime I need to make sure my hard-earned money is actually going for a good cause and not your pocket, I assume you as a grown person should understand.

Now the right thing to do would be asking a highly trusted member from the Italian board, I think @fillippone is an Italian, or maybe the Italian Mod? those can "easily" perform their due diligence on the said company and see if you are actually representing a known ATM company in Italy, they can make a phone call and double-check all the details, and then report their findings in your new NOT-SELF-MODERATED topic.



My findings so far:



-  CryptoLocalATM does seem like a legit Italian company specialized  in BTC ATM in Italy located at

Via Angelo Emo, 86, 00136 Roma RM, Italy
Phone Number :+39 06 3105 0469

Source: Google map


- On their website, https://cryptolocalatm.com/ arrived here, they have a Donation Page



The link on that image is https://cryptolocalatm.com/bitcoin-donation-to-hospitals-for-the-covid-19-emergency/ archived here

This is how it looks



The link on the "Donate Now" bottom is http://donationscovid19.net/ archived here

Looking at the accused member topic in the Italian board archived here, he has the same url http://www.donationscovid19.net/.

Both links (obviously) re-direct to https://pay.cryptolocalatm.com/apps/4XnRgB3pMHqTUX6jB54JNNo81Phb/crowdfund


So it seems like the accused user does actually represent CryptoLocalATM, a trusted member picking the phone and double-checking that CryptoLocalATM is actually legit and their website was not hacked whatsoever will solve this issue.

[hacker1001101001]

I think red - trust doesn't warrant here ( more likely from DT ), as there is no solid proof of scam or any real victims complaining around. As per the above details by mikeywith, we can even say that the donation address posted by CryptoLocalATM is legimate at an extent.

I would not be surprised by the aggressive replies from CryptoLocalATM, it's inconvonce to them without any reasons for sure. I am even sure any divine person donating for COVID-19 would use his due intelligence before investing.

[mikeywith]

I think red - trust doesn't warrant here ( more likely from DT ), as there is no solid proof of scam or any real victims complaining around. As per the above details by mikeywith, we can even say that the donation address posted by CryptoLocalATM is legimate at an extent.

I think the negatives are accepted in this case, they are merely precautions since there are more scammers than legit people who ask for donations, my research so far does not suggest that he is trying to scam, I also have no way to confirm he is legit or at least the whole CryptoLocalATM is legit or not.

In order to be fair to the accused user, and also not to send potential donators away after reading the negatives, I have added a neutral feedback explaining that the user is not a confirmed scammer, but nobody should send them donations just yet, but rather keep an eye on this topic until we confirm his integrity.

I am sure those members will be willing to delete their negatives if they see proof suggesting he is legit, and if he is not, those feedbacks would have served their purpose anyway.

[Vod]

I have added a neutral feedback explaining that the user is not a confirmed scammer, but nobody should send them donations just yet, but rather keep an eye on this topic until we confirm his integrity.

Your neutral feedback says to ignore our feedback.  :/

I'm not sure if he is a scammer, but I do know he deleted my simple questions - which is what my feedback states.

[mikeywith]

I'm not sure if he is a scammer, but I do know he deleted my simple questions - which is what my feedback states.

Your feedback states

Taking advantage of the pandemic.

Which suggests that he is a scammer, the other two negatives also suggest that he is a scammer, however, none of us here is certain that he actually is, and therefore the negative feedbacks should be "ignored temporarily", but I failed to make that clear enough in my feedback, and thus I have changed it.

This way if there is someone willing to donate to help save a life, at least they know that the negative feedbacks are rather precautions and that they should not negate the idea of donating altogether yet.

[Vod]

but I failed to make that clear enough in my feedback, and thus I have changed it.

Unexpected but nice and refreshing!

This way if there is someone willing to donate to help save a life, at least they know that the negative feedbacks are rather precautions and that they should not negate the idea of donating altogether yet.

I would hope that by now that anyone having bitcoin they can afford to donate probably knows how to use an exchange.  

[Lauda]

I wonder how many legitimate attempts we do not let through because of say language difficulties and cultural differences, and how many illegitimate ones we do let through unknowingly. 

[fillippone]

Hello guys,
I am posting here because I have been mentioned here and notified via PM about this project.

If someone asks my opinion I am ready to answer with my personal opinion.
My personal opinion concept is clear enough I think: I did what I tough it is the best to make this opinion as close as possible to reality, but I bear not guarantee this is the case.

I am not Italian mod, I am a simple user, so no way I am going to verify anything about anyone making calls or looking for documents, sorry.
I doubt this is also something a mod could do, but I really have no role in that.

The reality is that I don't know CryptoLocalATM

I know there is an operator in Italy who runs many Bitcoin ATM named CryptoLocalATM, I discovered it while discussing Bitcoin ATM's in Italy.
I know that society denounced a scam regarding Bitcoin Vending machines, resulting in a possible loss of fund for users.
I don't knwo if the user is somehow related to this operator.

Beside that, I cannot make any assumption about the project.
I have no proof to say anything about that.

I can say there are project with much more transparency about the process.
Like this one, for example.

I "rediscovered" this project I got to know year ago. Again ,no too many facts to oppose, but the BT thread about this project dates back to 2015.

But again, this is my personal opinion.
Sorry I have no facts to help you in your decision about that.

[examplens]

we work against the scam and on our website we have written various articles against the scam and now we see that we are accused of scam? perhaps it would be better to check if a user wants to scam or issue negative trusts like asche and LFC_Bitcoin

After making sure of our good faith and the existence of our company that works in transparency, please delete this post that damages our image and also those data "TRUST" without any sense and without reason, thanks.

I really don't like to use such a difficult situation for personal purposes and take profit for yourself. Your website did not convince me that you are a legal organization, and it's very likely some really registered and serious organisation can't collect funds because people already scammed of the same thing.
So, until you show strong evidence that you represent a charity you remain red marked from my side. No need to argue here, bring us solid evidence here and there will be a donation, not just red trust removing.

[CryptoLocalATM]

Maybe we have explained ourselves wrong we are not a charity we are a cryptocurrency company where we provide ATM, POS and payment gateways. Since at present all our hosts are closed because of the covid-19 our staff has decided to devote their time by using their gateway totally free of charge to carry out fundraising also in crypto. Our references and data are published officially on our website which is public and can be checked. You can also see our videos and our atm stations. We are not scammers we have sold more than 4000 bitcoins with our atm if we had cheated we would not be operating yet.

MILAN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUZwO4Lyp9Y
ROME: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05SVm8QKT14
ROME: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvLmqNJOa8Y
NAPLES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyJE0d3_8sE
CAGLIARI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAHq4Wms57o
PALERMO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNVQQRlhzug

This is a famous news that interviewed us a few years ago and we ended up on television ...
TELEGIORNALE: http://www.rainews.it/dl/rainews/TGR/media/sic-bitcoin-palermo-bbce3882-151c-4601-a12b-385389788c56.html

some blog cha talked about us: http://www.palermotoday.it/cronaca/primo-atm-bitcoin-corso-catalafimi-lop-store.html
https://www.balarm.it/news/la-controversa-moneta-del-web-si-preleva-a-palermo-apre-il-bancomat-bitcoin-21117
https://www.exweb.it/atm-di-criptomonete-in-italia-dove-e-come/
http://www.irpinianews.it/arriva-napoli-il-primo-atm-bitcoin-campania/

there are hundreds of blogs that have named us but I can't list them all just google

 but there are also other online interviews about us and many participations in various events ... Cheating would be counterproductive for our image and I repeat ours is only a humanitarian work exploiting our services available to this evil.

Now do you believe in us? This of course is our last post and I ask people before accusing us of investigating well and seeing that our initiative is public and noble we would never joke in such a serious problem. Among other things, it also applies to our image.

“If you don’t believe it or don’t get it, I don’t have the time to try to convince you, sorry.”
— Satoshi Nakamoto

[tvplus006]

...Now do you believe in us? This of course is our last post and I ask people before accusing us of investigating well and seeing that our initiative is public and noble we would never joke in such a serious problem. Among other things, it also applies to our image...

I do not believe that you are engaged in fraud, I have already written about this before: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5234209.msg54065665#msg54065665 I see your real business that is connected with bitcoins. But the way you didn't approach fundraising professionally is surprising to me. According to the statistics on your site, you have collected $13 in 38 days. Such assistance will not be able to radically change the situation with the coronavirus. I think you need to focus your work on something more important.

[mikeywith]

Thank you for the input, I suggest you may start a thread in the Italian board regarding this subject, the company claims to have physical ATMs in the streets of Italy, this shouldn't be too hard to confirm, I assume at least a few members in the Italian community can at least confirm/deny the existence of CryptoLocalATM's Bitcoin ATMs.

To this point, and based on the above evidence I presented in my previous reply, we know the forum member does actually use the same donation page from CryptoLocalATM website itself, so at this point, it's no longer a matter of the member's own integrity but the company itself.

[Vod]

@CryptoLocalATM, why have you or your company not donated yourselves?  Say even $1,000 from your profits?

[WowCheBit]

i am italian and i am also a seller of localbitcoins. As much as my experience can count, I confirm that the company exists because I have purchased bitcoins on their atm several times and have always received them.

[hacker1001101001]

It is clear that DT members tagging CryptoLocalATM with red trust here have no solid evidence of any scam or risk of trading with them. There position in DT should be reconsidered in an straight forward espect.

I don't even think a neutrally judging person here would even care about it as much as giving a red trust by taking into consideration the current amount of fear from the virus to the world. I would better say save yourself first... check out the deaths in Italy !

[dkbit98]

I don't even think a neutrally judging person here would even care about it as much as giving a red trust by taking into consideration the current amount of fear from the virus to the world. I would better say save yourself first... check out the deaths in Italy !

With all due respect you are wrong, and it is only your opinion.

Why this topic is created?

- They spammed all forum opening same copy/paste topic in english language in every possible local topic.
- They erased any comment they don't like in their topics
- They are not willing to change anything or accept our suggestions
- They acted like arrogant amateurs and kids
- They made threats to other people like kids do in school

I don't agree with red trust and I never said they are scam, but neutral feedback is 100% valid.

Result:
They got more attention in Bitcointalk forum, and they can still make things right (if they want) and maybe collect more than 13$

[Vod]

It is clear that DT members tagging CryptoLocalATM with red trust here have no solid evidence of any scam or risk of trading with them. There position in DT should be reconsidered in an straight forward espect.

If something needs to be posted, it's not "clear".  :/

There is no solid evidence of any legit business here, either.   CryptoLocalATM does not seem to have any money to donate himself , even though he would get that money back.

[hacker1001101001]

With all due respect you are wrong, and it is only your opinion.

Why this topic is created?

- They spammed all forum opening same copy/paste topic in english language in every possible local topic.
- They erased any comment they don't like in their topics
- They are not willing to change anything or accept our suggestions
- They acted like arrogant amateurs and kids
- They made threats to other people like kids do in school

I don't agree with red trust and I never said they are scam, but neutral feedback is 100% valid.

With all due respect my friend, I am right.

None of the reasons you mentioned above warrent a red-tag and give others, right to reduce the creditability of the project to get further donations. And later complain about them only getting 13$ in donation until. I don't usually see a charity company being humiliated and judged upon by the amount of donations it has received. One sould fear humanity atleast.

And as I already said.

I would not be surprised by the aggressive replies from CryptoLocalATM, it's inconvonce to them without any reasons for sure.

You can't blame them for being arrogant, amateurs or aggressive here, it's what they got back out of here.

Result:
They got more attention in Bitcointalk forum, and they can still make things right (if they want) and maybe collect more than 13$

I don't think they would get any good shit out this attention, but although it's limited to your positive thinking.

There is no solid evidence of any legit business here, either.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5234209.msg54067732#msg54067732

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5234209.msg54069807#msg54069807

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5234209.msg54072590#msg54072590

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5234209.msg54076855#msg54076855


Are all of them on ignore for you Vod ?

[nutildah]

Opening self-moderated threads and deleting questions about a poorly-described "charity" is shady as fuck.

I don't usually see a charity company being humiliated and judged upon by the amount of donations it has received.

we are not a charity we are a cryptocurrency company

You need to read up more on the issue before just interjecting yourself in it and typing a reply.

You can't blame them for being arrogant, amateurs or aggressive here, it's what they got back out of here.

The difference is they opened the self-moderated threads first, engaging in behavior that mirrors that of scammers, and they are the ones asking for money. We aren't asking for money.

The OP wasn't even accusing them of being a scam, just questioning their legitimacy:

What happened: CryptoLocalATM posting multiple self-moderated Covid-19 WHO Donation topics
...
What do you think:
Is this legitimate website or not?

They opened literally 17 self-modded threads for their charity -- this was in no way a good idea, regardless of how honest their intentions were.

- its a very sensitive subject
- its ripe for fraud
- they had little-to-no reputation on the forum
- they bombarded the forum in a very spammy manner
- they used tactics similar to scammers (self-modded thread, deleting replies)

I myself personally wouldn't leave them a negative feedback for this issue, especially now that they seem to have learned their lesson. However, I don't blame others for encouraging people to exercise caution before making donations to this company.

[dkbit98]

With all due respect my friend, I am right.

No you are not.
You are also arrogant and you think you know it all.
Maybe you can join their team or DONATE on their website and show support in that way.

I don't think they would get any good shit out this attention, but although it's limited to your positive thinking.

Well we got your smartass comments and attention here, don't we  

[examplens]

None of the reasons you mentioned above warrent a red-tag and give others, right to reduce the creditability of the project to get further donations. And later complain about them only getting 13$ in donation until. I don't usually see a charity company being humiliated and judged upon by the amount of donations it has received. One sould fear humanity atleast.

Their business is not a charity. They should not do something that is not in their field of activity. If wants to help, I agree with Vod, they can always donate their money.
I have some bad experiences with insincere donations collecting, I know the feeling is very ugly

You can't blame them for being arrogant, amateurs or aggressive here, it's what they got back out of here.

humanitarian and goodwill never go along with "arrogance", "aggressive" behaviour.

[hacker1001101001]

@nutildah - I agree, they started off in an questionable manner by starting a self moderated thread, but I am just saying giving a red trust is just like decreasing there creditability and DTs here are aggressively using it. I was a bit more generalized and not specified on this case alone.

With all due respect my friend, I am right.

No you are not.
You are also arrogant and you think you know it all.
Maybe you can join their team or DONATE on their website and show support in that way.

I don't know how I could be arrogant even after mention that the comment was posted with all due respect as a friend.

Even you don't know much about what the company is and how they operate in Italy, same as me. Yet you started a thread in reputation without even checking there website and cross checking it with its physical postions. I know you can do this.

You sound more arrogant in your advice of donating the funds myself. I know I am doing my part to help though.

Their business is not a charity. They should not do something that is not in their field of activity. If wants to help, I agree with Vod, they can always donate their money.
I have some bad experiences with insincere donations collecting, I know the feeling is very ugly

What an lame advice, I am happy such users don't trust my judgements in there trust lists.

Even some brewery companies converted there plant to create hand sanitizers an many more companies helping in whatever way they can. They are a big fraud and worthy of warning as they are doing something which is not of there field.

humanitarian and goodwill never go along with "arrogance", "aggressive" behaviour.

But arrogance and aggressive behaviour comes after someone tries to question your legimate attempts of going with humanitarian and goodwill as per I see. This my even block and fly off other similar legimate attempts.


I am not affiliated to the above project in questions in anyway and don't even indent to back them up or encourage anyone to take advantage of such global situations here. I am out.

[examplens]

Even some brewery companies converted there plant to create hand sanitizers an many more companies helping in whatever way they can. They are a big fraud and worthy of warning as they are doing something which is not of there field.

Did "some brewery companies," ask from random people to donate money for his humanity? Or they spend their money on it?
this is certainly not the same. Goodwill to help using their resources or attempts to collect money.
As I say, I have a bad experience with similar situations and because of that, I offer zero tolerance. maybe that's my reason for being aggressive in this case.

Be careful, and stay safe.

[fillippone]

In the meantime, we were discussing,
the blockchain based charity I suggested donating to, has racked up 0.2 BTC since my last post, with a total of 3.14 BTC.
Every mBTC tracked on the blockchain.

[dkbit98]

You sound more arrogant in your advice of donating the funds myself. I know I am doing my part to help though.

What part are you doing?
You donated 13$ or few cents maybe?

Go hack yourself please, and cover yourself with a blanket after.
It's embarrassing...

In the meantime, we were discussing,
the blockchain based charity I suggested donating to, has racked up 0.2 BTC since my last post, with a total of 3.14 BTC.
Every mBTC tracked on the blockchain.

Good to hear that.
It is important for sure, as number of deaths is rising every day sadly  

This is the website you talked about before:
DONATE

[CryptoLocalATM]

Crowfounding closed and today 30/04/2020

to confirm our transparency we confirm that we have collected a total of 13 dollars (not much but we are happy to have done it) and to round off in euros we have sent 15 EURO.

The fundraisers were sent to GOFOUND by donating them directly to the Bergamohospital which was one of the hospitals with the most victims. I hope this will make us understand our good faith.

We thank for the collaboration of all and for those who believed in us.

Anyone who wants to control the transition can do it  from here we attach in any way some additional screenshots.

P.S. For those who have placed a negative trust if you consider it appropriate, you can remove the trust because we have been wrongly accused as after days you can see for yourself.

[dkbit98]

to confirm our transparency we confirm that we have collected a total of 13 dollars (not much but we are happy to have done it) and to round off in euros we have sent 15 EURO.

Good Job and your strategy worked perfectly.
Looks like you are very popular in Italy when you collected total of $13 from 3 contributors + you donated few extra euros yourself.
Legit.

[CryptoLocalATM]

to confirm our transparency we confirm that we have collected a total of 13 dollars (not much but we are happy to have done it) and to round off in euros we have sent 15 EURO.

Good Job and your strategy worked perfectly.
Looks like you are very popular in Italy when you collected total of $13 from 3 contributors + you donated few extra euros yourself.
Legit.

Thanks for your feedback I want to add that we are not a fundraising company but we are an atm bitcoin company and our customers know us as such ... We wanted to exploit our systems for the common good and although we didn't raise much money we demonstrated our good faith. Thanks for the trust.

[dkbit98]

to confirm our transparency we confirm that we have collected a total of 13 dollars (not much but we are happy to have done it) and to round off in euros we have sent 15 EURO.

Thanks for your feedback I want to add that we are not a fundraising company but we are an atm bitcoin company and our customers know us as such ... We wanted to exploit our systems for the common good and although we didn't raise much money we demonstrated our good faith. Thanks for the trust.

I am confused...  you first said you are happy, then you are not very happy, and then you edited.
System exploit completed.

[CryptoLocalATM]

I am confused...  you first said you are happy, then you are not very happy, and then you edited.
System exploit completed.

I confirm that we are happy to have contributed and demonstrated our good faith and, although minimal, we are happy and proud to have done so.

(the error was typing that's why we changed there is nothing rotten  )