Health Professionals and COVID-19 - PROOF

[Spendulus]

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they do know how to do it based on the actual RNA and it is specific to covid19
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I can think of a couple ways that could be accomplished but typically it would be a several year long project.

scanning DNA/RNA doesnt take several years per sample

they just need to look for certain indicators to narrow it down.
its like finding the difference between a orange and a human which is super easy and fast. so is finding the difference between an orange and a tangerine

Not the scanning. But the chemical differentiation would require distinguishing a specific marker somehow.

I will have to look up the details. Worked in a related area in college. But not at all up to date.

if this was the first time of ever using a tech to distinguish things then yea it would take years of research. but once you done it a few times over many decades such as the first discovery of corona family of viruses in the 1960's and identifying other strains over the decades..it becomes easier and easier

at the moment detecting which strain of corona someone has is fast.
the part about scaling up the antibody test(different test/different thing to detect) for people to see if they are immune after recovery. that takes time. and recently using UK as an example one 'super lab' has failed to meet certain quality control standards (10% false positive)

so for now they are just giving patients a few of the detect the virus tests every couple days after symptoms stop and released from hospital when they show no trace of the virus.
but as i said working out if immune after is still cagey. and unknown how long that immunity lasts. because those tests are slower to produce accurately

Well, it is the 21st century.

[franky1]

the nasal swap/lower tract swab to test which virus is tech thats been developed since 1960's

the blood sample antibody test is stil hit and miss because people only started getting it in december, recovering in february. so they need many blood samples of post-february to then use as comparison to identify antibodies specific to immunisation of covid19

as for the initial identify the virus test. they have years of samples of previous viruses so its easy to compare a new strain

[Spendulus]

the nasal swap/lower tract swab to test which virus is tech thats been developed since 1960's

the blood sample antibody test is stil hit and miss because people only started getting it in december, recovering in february. so they need many blood samples of post-february to then use as comparison to identify antibodies specific to immunisation of covid19

as for the initial identify the virus test. they have years of samples of previous viruses so its easy to compare a new strain

 The PCR test developed by the University of Washington School of Medicine (UW Medicine) targets just 100 nucleotides that are specific to SARS-CoV-2, Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor in the Department of Laboratory Medicine and an assistant director of the Clinical Virology Laboratory at UW Medicine, told The Seattle Times.

These 100 nucleotides include two genes in the SARS-CoV-2 genome. A sample is considered positive if the test finds both genes, inconclusive if just one gene is found, and negative if neither gene is detected.

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PCR tests work by detecting specific genetic material within the virus. Depending on the type of PCR on hand, health care workers might swab the back of the throat; take a saliva sample; collect a liquid sample from the lower respiratory tract; or secure a stool sample.

....Once a sample arrives at the lab, researchers extract its nucleic acid, which holds the virus' genome. Then, researchers can amplify certain regions of the genome by using a technique known as reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction. This, in effect, gives researchers a large sample that they can then compare to the new coronavirus, known as SARS-CoV-2.....

Tests from UW Medicine that are either inconclusive or positive are sent to Washington's Public Health Laboratories and the CDC for further testing, The Seattle Times reported.

In contrast, serological tests look for specific antibodies that the body has produced to fight the virus. "If they detect those antibodies, [the test] gives a positive result,"

'https://www.livescience.com/how-coronavirus-tests-work.html

[tvbcof]

 The PCR test developed by the University of Washington School of Medicine (UW Medicine) targets just 100 nucleotides that are specific to SARS-CoV-2, Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor in the Department of Laboratory Medicine and an assistant director of the Clinical Virology Laboratory at UW Medicine, told The Seattle Times.

These 100 nucleotides include two genes in the SARS-CoV-2 genome. A sample is considered positive if the test finds both genes, inconclusive if just one gene is found, and negative if neither gene is detected.

Take it for what it's worth since I'm not going to bother to look up a link, but I've heard that the inventor of PCR said that it should never be used to evaluate the metrics of a communicable disease.  It's just not the right tool for the job.

Secondly, that there are a number of cycles above which the white noise simply dampens out any meaningful results.  It's not a binary thing either.  As you approach the number things get progressively valueless.  'They' need to get way up to the maximum number of cycles to get a result (and it's well know that the result is often ambiguous and/or irreproducibile.)

Thirdly, the only consistant thing about the covid-19 saga is how the 'authorities' (led by the very highly suspect WHO) fuck up the segment selection and the 'primers' needed to trigger the chain reaction.  The U.S.'s performance was even worse.

All of these things and many more are making me lean toward the hypothesis that the SARS-cov-2 is mostly just something which a lot of people have in tiny quantities so it made a good virus upon which to pull the long planned and gamed out 'balognavirus scamdemic' against.

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PCR tests work by detecting specific genetic material within the virus. Depending on the type of PCR on hand, health care workers might swab the back of the throat; take a saliva sample; collect a liquid sample from the lower respiratory tract; or secure a stool sample.

....Once a sample arrives at the lab, researchers extract its nucleic acid, which holds the virus' genome. Then, researchers can amplify certain regions of the genome by using a technique known as reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction. This, in effect, gives researchers a large sample that they can then compare to the new coronavirus, known as SARS-CoV-2.....


Tests from UW Medicine that are either inconclusive or positive are sent to Washington's Public Health Laboratories and the CDC for further testing, The Seattle Times reported.

In contrast, serological tests look for specific antibodies that the body has produced to fight the virus. "If they detect those antibodies, [the test] gives a positive result," [/i]

'https://www.livescience.com/how-coronavirus-tests-work.html

We're sitting here well into Q2 and expecting a piss-ant antibody test 'any day now'?  And these people are going to develop and test a whole vaccine in 18 months or less?  Give me a fuckin break.  There is definitely 'something rotten in Denmark' so-to-speak.

On the brighter side, I'm sure that the 'covid-19' vaccine will 'work'.  It will 'work' in the same way Cloroquine, Licorice, bleach, vitamin-c, Schwepps tonic water, etc, etc, etc 'work'.  As they say, the easiest problem to fight and win against is one which doesn't exist.  That is pretty much the hallmark of most vaccines though.

[franky1]

i wonder why tvbcof is so frustrated...
he thinks there is no virus. so he should just go out and lick door handles as usual. after all to him there is no harm, no problem. so whats stopping him..
there is no marshal law. so carry on with your day

or are you frustrated that you know there is a risk, you re self isolating and you are just not liking the situation..
heck no one likes it.
im usually travelling around the world but im stuck in the UK for many months. i have planned atleast 3 months of this. we are only on WEEK 3 so more months to come before planning out what to do in the next phase..

no one likes it. but thats the real risk situation we are in

again if you feel there is no risk. then go out your door and go walk around get some fresh air and chill out.
if your trying to blame WHO. dont use youtube or blog sites as your source of conspiracy theory . actually look at the real details

china had first hospitalisation on 18december.. and informed the word by january 9th..
with all the tests needed for this new (zebra) case and spotting new patients arriving with the same things. and then getting those bodily fluid samples tested to be the first identifier that its not the normal flu. id say overall there was no keeping it a secret.
there was just standard dont raise an alarm untill they know its alarm worthy.
and they did

it was UK/US that didnt follow through after 9th of january by monitoring al flight passengers and following up who they came into contact with.
they didnt stop the repatriation flights. they didnt even start stocking up on supplies/hospital expansion..
it took until 2nd week of march to act.

the whole reason for lockdown is not government control. again this is not marshal law territory.
the lockdown will be relaxed but only when its safe to do so.
there is no point relaxing it now with 33k new cases a day. because at the r0 that will get to 4m within a month, meaning 200k severe needing beds. so releasing the lockdown now will only last 2-3 weeks before re-isolating people.. which can cause even more trouble of trying to hire staff get stock and sell stock and then close business again.
its better to wait it out until numbers get way under 100 a day new cases. that would then give a more acceptable 2 month relaxation.

so just realise that its not going to be another couple day then drama over everyone back at work.. this is going to be cycling in waves for months/year
the isolation is not immunising people. its delaying the onslaught of mass spread which hospitals cant and wont cope with .. so expect phases of this to go on multiple times
especially if they cant get the new case numbers down low enough to be able to contract trace all new cases to find everyone they touched/been near..

[BADecker]

i wonder why tvbcof is so frustrated...
he thinks there is no virus. so he should just go out and lick door handles as usual. after all to him there is n harm, no problem. so whats stopping him..
there is no marshal law. so carry on with your day

I wonder why how you can know what other people think? You can't even interpret what they say correctly. Who do you think you are, Sigmund Freud, or Carl Jung?

You can't even write in proper sentences with proper punctuation. Yet you try to psychoanalyze other people who have a reason, while you don't even have an excuse.

[BADecker]

Look at it this way. If there are some peer reviewed papers that CV is real, and that it is doing all the damage that it has been doing, it should be easy to get some of the reviewers on the stand to show these. It should be a lot easier to show the reviews with their writers long before we get to court, right?

I don't know if there are any such peer reviewed papers or not. But it should be easy for somebody in the medical - especially franky1 - to be able to post a few of them online... or at least link to them... to see if they meet standard requirements for peer reviewed papers.

You know F-1. Just a few of them, where you use your expertise to break them down and show us why and how they meet the standards of a peer reviewed paper.

[bitbollo]

EVERYTHING that health professionals might say about CV is hearsay.

Let's get medical people on the stand under oath, under threat of perjury if they don't tell the truth, with evidence that Coronavirus is doing any damage. And let the proof show that it wasn't something else. And let them prove that immune systems of the sick were not compromised by vaccine immunizations in the first place.

So far, all the threats of CORONAVIRUS pandemic are simply hearsay. Lets get some court-of-law proof before we wreck the nations of the world for nothing.

 

" SIMPLY HEARSAY " ----> Guess what there is inside!


" prove that immune systems of the sick were not compromised by vaccine immunizations in the first place."

Are you kidding or what else?
People die because their immune systems has been compromised by vaccine immunization (!) and not for COVID19 infection?

[BADecker]

EVERYTHING that health professionals might say about CV is hearsay.

Let's get medical people on the stand under oath, under threat of perjury if they don't tell the truth, with evidence that Coronavirus is doing any damage. And let the proof show that it wasn't something else. And let them prove that immune systems of the sick were not compromised by vaccine immunizations in the first place.

So far, all the threats of CORONAVIRUS pandemic are simply hearsay. Lets get some court-of-law proof before we wreck the nations of the world for nothing.

 

" SIMPLY HEARSAY " ----> Guess what there is inside!


" prove that immune systems of the sick were not compromised by vaccine immunizations in the first place."

Are you kidding or what else?
People die because their immune systems has been compromised by vaccine immunization (!) and not for COVID19 infection?

Even the Excel Spreadsheet can make better graphs than that.

What's in those trucks? I know what it is. It's HEARSAY! Or do you have court proof?

[bitbollo]

Even the Excel Spreadsheet can make better graphs than that.

What's in those trucks? I know what it is. It's HEARSAY! Or do you have court proof?

Nice argumentation, "graphs that looks ugly" very scientific answer.

It's hearsay even what is inside trucks?
Probably you are seriously not realizing what's is going on. And I hope for you that you'll never realize.
KR

[BADecker]

Even the Excel Spreadsheet can make better graphs than that.

What's in those trucks? I know what it is. It's HEARSAY! Or do you have court proof?

Nice argumentation, "graphs that looks ugly" very scientific answer.

It's hearsay even what is inside trucks?
Probably you are seriously not realizing what's is going on. And I hope for you that you'll never realize.
KR

The thing that you seem to be missing is the part about HEARSAY. We could have all kinds of people tell us, right in this thread, what they truly believe is in those trucks. Some might say:
1. Trucks are empty;
2. Guns for ISIS;
3. Helicopter parts;
4. Bathtubs;
5. (All kinds of other things).

Maybe you went to those trucks and personally examined what is in there. But I am willing to bet you don't even have affidavits of those people who went and examined. And probably you haven't even talked to somebody who went and examined. But if you did, how do you know he was telling the truth?... even if he signed an affidavit to the effect?

If he signed an affidavit, he might know that he will be out of town long before anybody will take him to court on it.

And if you were there personally, where's your signed affidavit? Don't tell me you believe the media doesn't lie and embellish. If you believe the media doesn't lie, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you, cheap.

[BADecker]

This is only the start. Huckabee might do it right for the position that he is in regarding government. But he will do it wrong for the way that he can make it accessible to all Americans.

But it is a start. Let's hope it will show that the Constitution is stronger than arbitrary orders by a bunch of jokers who have no proof for their CV actions.

Check the article for links and emphases.


Mike Huckabee Sues Florida Sheriff For Threatening 'Social Distancing' Arrest On Private Beach

Huckabee filed it with his breachfront property neighbors against Walton County and its sheriff, saying the ordinance is unlawfully preventing them from "being able to use or even set foot in their own backyards".

The lawsuit is stating violation of the community's Fifth Amendment rights, specifically the "Takings Clause", which states, "[N]or shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

It was filed Monday in the US District Court for the Northern District of Florida and says that local government is denying basic constitutional rights in taking 'social distancing' measures too far — to the point that police are infringing on property rights.

The complaint says that law enforcement officers "have been and are currently patrolling and occupying the private beachfront properties" without permission while threatening "arrest or fine Plaintiffs, their family members, or invitees on their private properties," according to Lawandcrime.com.

"The Amended Ordinance is arbitrary and capricious. The Amended Ordinance purports to be designed to 'prevent the spread of COVID-19' yet it has the opposite effect," Plaintiffs wrote.

[franky1]

badecker showed a chart of less deaths occuring when more healthcare improved and more vaccines given
if vaccines were the cause the graph would look like
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  \  /|           _/         not        \_
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                                                  \________

[BADecker]

badecker showed a chart of less deaths occuring when more healthcare improved and more vaccines given
if vaccines were the cause the graph would look like
                            _       _
                       __/           \  /|
_                    /                 \||
  \  /|           _/         not        \_
   \||______/                            \_
                                                  \________

You seem to think that I am minimizing the dangers of viruses, and the benefits of vaccines. I'm not. I'm here to see the courtroom proof that viruses even exist, and that vaccines do any benefit at all.

Anybody with a good eye for statistics of a pandemic in progress, just might see that the pandemic is ending naturally, and then advertise a whole lot of hope in vaccines. The vaccinations are implemented, and the pandemic goes away.

But the pandemic was in its final stages, anyway. It's just that people didn't know it. And the timing was so good that it looked like the vaccinations were what did it. But the vaccinations really caused deaths that would have not happened had the vaccines not been used.

I want good courtroom, jury-based adjudication that Coronavirus even exists... not a handful of doctors scaring other doctors into thinking that it is real when it is not. Get the experts on the stand, under oath, with the penalty of 20 years to execution for lying. Why execution? Because this is important.

Or do you have proof?

[Spendulus]

... the penalty of 20 years to execution for lying. Why execution? Because this is important.

Or do you have proof?

reverse transcription

[BADecker]

... the penalty of 20 years to execution for lying. Why execution? Because this is important.

Or do you have proof?

reverse transcription

And I used to think that this Speny-joker had something worthwhile to say. We all make our mistakes.

[BADecker]

Why would anybody think that China is the only liar... or the best one, for that matter? We want proof.

Shi Zhengli is allegedly the Chinese woman who developed Covid-19, at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, NC.


How China muzzled its Bat Woman: Beijing authorities hushed up the findings of a scientist who unlocked the genetic make-up of the coronavirus within days of the outbreak - which is vital for tests and vaccines

A Chinese scientist who is the one of the world's leading experts on coronaviruses was 'muzzled' after unravelling the genetic composition of the new disease, which is crucial for developing diagnostic tests and vaccines.

The revelation will fuel fresh concerns over China's cover-up of the pandemic after it erupted in the city of Wuhan. Critics argue that Communist Party chiefs frustrated efforts to contain the outbreak before it exploded around the world.

At the centre of the new claims is Shi Zhengli, known as China's 'Bat Woman' after years spent on difficult virus-hunting expeditions in dank caves that have led to a series of important scientific discoveries.

The virologist was called back to her highsecurity laboratory in Wuhan at the end of last year after a mysterious new respiratory condition in the city was identified as a novel coronavirus – and within three days she completed its gene sequencing.

[BADecker]

There are those (one, at least) medical doctors (or pizza delivery boys paid to address up like a medical doctor) who think (or are paid to say they agree with this crazy) quinine....

Let's get this over into the section where it belongs. Proof. Walmart is out of their Quinine Water. Not from the blabbing of one doctor. But if you think that it was only one doctor that caused this run on quinine, then you might as well say that it is only one doctor who caused the whole CV pandemic.

Let's get the proof to court in front of a jury.

[franky1]

even better idea
badecker. take yourself to court and ask for psychological evaluation of your competence to be even able to stand in court..
i can guess the results already, so i know there is no point you even going to court because they wont let you stand

meanwhile you have said 'history, thousands of years, ancestors' .. yet life expectancy was 35yo..

so how could you, using your own chart you linked. show that people lived longer and healthier before the 1930's

[BADecker]

Here it is... starting to come out, that many of the Covid-19 deaths were not from CV at all. He's a doctor as well as a senator.


HUGE! MN Senator and Dr. Reveals HHS Document Coached Him on How to Overcount COVID-19 Cases...

"Last Friday I received a 7-page document that told me if I had an 86-year-old patient that had pneumonia but was never tested for COVID-19 but some time after she came down with pneumonia we learned that she had been exposed to her son who had no symptoms but later on was identified with COVID-19, then it would be appropriate to diagnose on the death certificate COVID-19," Dr. Scott Jensen said.

Dr. Jensen explained that this is not a normal procedure.

Dr.. Jensen said for example if the same patient had pneumonia during flu season and he didn't have a test confirming the patient also had influenza, he would never diagnose the patient with influenza on the death certificate.