Electrum Telegram run by scammer

[Pmalek]

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Another bad thing with Telegram is that it allows one party to delete all private conversations with other users.
For example if we talked over PM on Telegram, I can delete all traces that we ever talked. You wouldn't be able to see any history of our PMs and have no proof if you needed it.
You would have to make screenshots to use that as proof. It creates many opportunities for scammers to do whatever they want and simply delete the PM history once they are done.       

[o_e_l_e_o]

For example if we talked over PM on Telegram, I can delete all traces that we ever talked.

Wait, what? I can delete other people's messages? That policy is so ridiculous I didn't believe it - but having done a quick search it seems you are right.

I have no problems with people deleting their own messages for all participants in a conversation. Most messaging apps have this functionality, and the good apps such as Signal also allow the option of messages auto-deleting after x amount of time, or pictures or attached media only being able to viewed once. If you want to delete messages or media you have received from your own device, that's fine, but there is absolutely no way you should be able to delete messages I have written from my device. That is ridiculous.

That's not a privacy feature - that's censorship. Anyone you are speaking to can just delete your messages at any time for any reason. As you say, this is a haven for scammers.

[Pmalek]

Wait, what? I can delete other people's messages?

Yes, the messages you exchange with someone can be deleted by either of the two parties, like they never happened. It's complete madness and makes no sense. Imagine if I could delete the PMs I sent to you on this forum if I change my mind or if...   

Telegram is unreliable and insecure when dealing with someone privately. It's only to be used as a group messaging app but certainly not if you intend to do business with someone.
I don't know if you can edit PMs as well. I wouldn't be surprised if they allow this as well. You can edit your posts you write in groups.

[DireWolfM14]

That's not a privacy feature - that's a piracy feature.

FIFY.  Yeah, I find that feature sort of odd, almost like they are enabling scammers and thieves, and it's working.  Telegram is full of scammers, but like anything else which grants a level of freedom to it's users, some will abuse that liberty.

I don't blame the platform.  It's a tool, and like any other tool it requires some skill to use it properly.  Assume anyone who contacts you out of the blue to not be who they claim they are.  Verify every contact you make.  As has been shown here there are plenty of ways to verify the user, be skeptical and diligent.

[Pmalek]

I am trying to think of one benefit of having an option to completely wipe clean shared information for both parties, and I can't think of one. There are no issues with deleting the records for yourself, but being able to do it for the other person as well... I see no positive contribution with that and only negatives and a potential for abuse.   

[HCP]

It depends on your viewpoint. What if you sent something to someone by mistake... this "feature" allows you to correct that mistake.

Additionally, it does allow for more certainty that anything deleted stays deleted (assuming you do it quick enough and the other party hasn't taken screenshots etc). As DireWolfM14 said, it's a tool... and like any tool it can be abused.

As long as you understand how the system works, you can protect yourself from the abuse. Sadly, the "scam accusations" board is littered with instances of people who don't understand how the system works

It might be a secure messaging system... but it's certainly not a "secure" system for trading!

[PrivacyManiac]

Electrum on Telegram is a scam.  The admin ask you for your seed.  I posted a message to warn the members and got blocked
Signal is great.  At the beginning friends/colleagues didn't understand why not WhatsApp, now many have made the shift and get it.
#deleteWhatsApp #deleteFacebook #deleteGoogle

[Pmalek]

It depends on your viewpoint. What if you sent something to someone by mistake... this "feature" allows you to correct that mistake.

Valid point but I still would never give my OK for that. Same can be said for Bitcoin transactions. If you sent a transaction to the wrong address by mistake, should you have an option to correct your mistake or should it stay immutable. It's not the same thing, I know, but I'd still vote for not being able to revert changes.

[o_e_l_e_o]

It depends on your viewpoint. What if you sent something to someone by mistake... this "feature" allows you to correct that mistake.

That's fine. If I have written something, I should be allowed to delete that from being viewed by all parties. No issues there.

If I have written something, and you decide you don't want to see it, then you should be allowed to delete it from your device. Again, no issues there.

However, if I have written something, you don't get to prevent that from being viewed by all parties, and you definitely don't get to delete it from my device. That's censorship, and I have no idea why anyone would use an app which lets third parties delete your data from your device without your consent.