Coronavirus + Prisons

[airtman]

Some inmates that have minor cases are being released in some advanced countries. while in Africa nobody cares about the prisoners if the virus will affect or kill them, not minding that they are also our loved ones trapped behind walls, who need help, because the virus has no boundaries,  I read about prisons in the amazon deriving funds from inmates to pay $4 for treatment or checkup before they will be issued with hand sanitizers and facemasks, but the government is supposed to make free provisions for them because they labour too with their sweat and energy.
We should'nt forget the prisoners they are human beings serving capital punishments. What could be the best healthcare provision for the prisoners?

[bits4books]

Lol are you crazy? Is it not enough that prisons are run on people’s taxes? You are going to spend even more money into them. For what? It is unlikely that anyone will regret the death of a murderer, pedophile, rapist, thief, and so on. Especially, if we are talking about persons with life imprisonments. You need to do a lot of bad things to deserve it.
We need to take care of free people instead. There are a lot of troubles outside the prisons

[squatz1]

Crazily enough I actually haven''t heard a thing about COVID-19 and the prison system, I guess they do also have a less chance of getting in then everyday pepople cause the only way they'd get it is from a guard, other prison staff, or visitor. The other prisoners aren't ya know, allowed to move freely. But once it does get to the prison, as it will, it'll be hard to stop.

The story you reference I'm pretty sure about prisons around the world is this one - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/24/hundreds-of-nsw-prisoners-could-be-released-early-under-covid-19-emergency-powers

Thousands of prisoners for non violent crimes are being released across the US to combat this - https://www.wsj.com/articles/jails-release-prisoners-fearing-coronavirus-outbreak-11584885600

[airtman]

Lol are you crazy? Is it not enough that prisons are run on people’s taxes? You are going to spend even more money into them. For what? It is unlikely that anyone will regret the death of a murderer, pedophile, rapist, thief, and so on. Especially, if we are talking about persons with life imprisonments. You need to do a lot of bad things to deserve it.
We need to take care of free people instead. There are a lot of troubles outside the prisons

every life matters and nobody deserve to be left behind to die not minding their personality, sounds funny but they is nobody in the prisons that has ever killed more than a Coronavirus patient, that has infected more than 80,000 people in china, and sent us into an economic breakdown like this.

[airtman]

Crazily enough I actually haven''t heard a thing about COVID-19 and the prison system, I guess they do also have a less chance of getting in then everyday pepople cause the only way they'd get it is from a guard, other prison staff, or visitor. The other prisoners aren't ya know, allowed to move freely. But once it does get to the prison, as it will, it'll be hard to stop.

The story you reference I'm pretty sure about prisons around the world is this one - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/24/hundreds-of-nsw-prisoners-could-be-released-early-under-covid-19-emergency-powers

Thousands of prisoners for non violent crimes are being released across the US to combat this - [Suspicious link removed]j.com/articles/jails-release-prisoners-fearing-coronavirus-outbreak-11584885600

  A virus that is splitted into the air can be or get to anywhere in the world, you are right they can get infected by visitors or maybe prison Guards, just like you said you have not heard anything about them in prisons and Coronavirus, which happens to be why I created the thread so that people can be able to remember that they are captives in prison and not focusing on facemasks and sanitizers alone, prisoners are humans and must be shown kindness just like everyother person on earth.

[squatz1]

Crazily enough I actually haven''t heard a thing about COVID-19 and the prison system, I guess they do also have a less chance of getting in then everyday pepople cause the only way they'd get it is from a guard, other prison staff, or visitor. The other prisoners aren't ya know, allowed to move freely. But once it does get to the prison, as it will, it'll be hard to stop.

The story you reference I'm pretty sure about prisons around the world is this one - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/24/hundreds-of-nsw-prisoners-could-be-released-early-under-covid-19-emergency-powers

Thousands of prisoners for non violent crimes are being released across the US to combat this - [Suspicious link removed]j.com/articles/jails-release-prisoners-fearing-coronavirus-outbreak-11584885600

  A virus that is splitted into the air can be or get to anywhere in the world, you are right they can get infected by visitors or maybe prison Guards, just like you said you have not heard anything about them in prisons and Coronavirus, which happens to be why I created the thread so that people can be able to remember that they are captives in prison and not focusing on facemasks and sanitizers alone, prisoners are humans and must be shown kindness just like everyother person on earth.

I just meant in the sense that, they're pretty much MOSTLY all quarantined to the prison itself. It's not like they're going on public transportation, going to the groceery store, movies,etc. They're literally all stuck in this prison.

The people that they are getting it from through are doing all of these things -- these are the guards and other staff members at these prisons who don't live on the grounds.

[Subbir]

I think those prisoners should be treated as ordinary people because for one among them everyone else can get the disease. Italy has released each of the prisoners thinking of their safety in order that they will live the remainder of their lives But they ought to not be released they have to be protected in prison without being released Because if they're released they're going to still engage in worse things.

[Artemis3]

Some inmates that have minor cases are being released in some advanced countries. while in Africa nobody cares about the prisoners if the virus will affect or kill them, not minding that they are also our loved ones trapped behind walls, who need help, because the virus has no boundaries,  I read about prisons in the amazon deriving funds from inmates to pay $4 for treatment or checkup before they will be issued with hand sanitizers and facemasks, but the government is supposed to make free provisions for them because they labour too with their sweat and energy.
We should'nt forget the prisoners they are human beings serving capital punishments. What could be the best healthcare provision for the prisoners?

This is typical in my country, all prisons are State run but are worse than the typical condemned building in other countries. Prisoners getting infected and untreated (all diseases) is very common. For the most part if you have no money, you won't survive. All prisons are gang controlled, so you either sell yourself to work for the gang, or die. Working for the gang means what you can imagine: bully, extort, traffic, sex, fight with other gangs, you name it. They are called "universities for crime" over here, because if you survive, you will graduate from whatever mild crime you might have done into a full fledged criminal already part of an organization which often use the prisons as the headquarters, with the "boss" living there a life of luxury you would think comes from fantasy if i told you. One of the kingpins even managed to build a Zoo... Pools, brothels for underage girls, drug shops and "night clubs" are commonplace for the ruling gang (and their guests).

I would ask you to search Youtube videos or online articles if you didn't believe it, but most of the "good" stuff is in Spanish anyway.

Yeah, here in prison you have to pay for a piece of wall for you to sleep on, or a stair, or whatever. Of course food and medicine too. The State is... the source of officials to pay bribes to and have them bring you stuff, or something like that. The control within prisons is crime organized. There was once this woman prison director that wanted certain boss to behave more like a normal prisoner; her family was threatened and she quickly resigned. It happened a few years back, just to give you an idea. And yes, we share the Amazon, i doubt that is related, but our cultures are similar.

[yascrypto94]

Each government must do its best to not let people going outside their homes, we are living in a real problem now.

[BADecker]

What happens when the guards and prison personnel get too sick to come in for work? Do the prisoners starve?

Don't the rules for most prisons include execution for all the prisoners if there are way too few officials and staff to take care of them?

[LTU_btc]

Well, actually, prisons is probably one of the safest places in the world right now. Inmates lives in isolation, visits now are forbidden. They only can get infected from guards, but I think now they have less direct contact with them.
Offcourse, there human rights and they should get treatment. But c'mon, even free people don't always get treatment and many have died just because of that.

every life matters and nobody deserve to be left behind to die not minding their personality,

Really? Are you saying it about someone who killed 5 people or rapped 8 women let's say? I don't think that life of such criminals really maters. Because they haven't thought about lives of their victims when doing these terrible crimes.

[Meowth05]

I don't think that there are enough funds to help them but I think that people in prison are more unlikely to contract virus unless there was a physical contact from the outside. The relief operations should be directed to poor people but I think having a preventive measures could have help them in the first place.

[squatz1]

I don't think that there are enough funds to help them but I think that people in prison are more unlikely to contract virus unless there was a physical contact from the outside. The relief operations should be directed to poor people but I think having a preventive measures could have help them in the first place.

But this is exactly what is happening in prison. People are coming in from the outside (Guards, Medical Staff, Warden, Business Staff, Janitors, etc) and are infecting the people in their. Once a prisoner is infected it's kinda over -- isn't as much distancing possible in the prison system as their is in your everyday life. You're forced to be with people for a certain amount of time, most of the time you're living with another person.

So -- I don't see the issue with releasing people for minor non violent crimes.

[Spendulus]

Some inmates that have minor cases are being released in some advanced countries. while in Africa nobody cares about the prisoners if the virus will affect or kill them, not minding that they are also our loved ones trapped behind walls, who need help, because the virus has no boundaries,  I read about prisons in the amazon deriving funds from inmates to pay $4 for treatment or checkup before they will be issued with hand sanitizers and facemasks, but the government is supposed to make free provisions for them because they labour too with their sweat and energy.
We should'nt forget the prisoners they are human beings serving capital punishments. What could be the best healthcare provision for the prisoners?

This is typical in my country, all prisons are State run but are worse than the typical condemned building in other countries. Prisoners getting infected and untreated (all diseases) is very common. For the most part if you have no money, you won't survive. All prisons are gang controlled, so you either sell yourself to work for the gang, or die. Working for the gang means what you can imagine: bully, extort, traffic, sex, fight with other gangs, you name it. They are called "universities for crime" over here, because if you survive, you will graduate from whatever mild crime you might have done into a full fledged criminal already part of an organization which often use the prisons as the headquarters, with the "boss" living there a life of luxury you would think comes from fantasy if i told you. One of the kingpins even managed to build a Zoo... Pools, brothels for underage girls, drug shops and "night clubs" are commonplace for the ruling gang (and their guests).

I would ask you to search Youtube videos or online articles if you didn't believe it, but most of the "good" stuff is in Spanish anyway.

Yeah, here in prison you have to pay for a piece of wall for you to sleep on, or a stair, or whatever. Of course food and medicine too. The State is... the source of officials to pay bribes to and have them bring you stuff, or something like that. The control within prisons is crime organized. There was once this woman prison director that wanted certain boss to behave more like a normal prisoner; her family was threatened and she quickly resigned. It happened a few years back, just to give you an idea. And yes, we share the Amazon, i doubt that is related, but our cultures are similar.

This is the subject of Mel Gibson movie "The Gringo" although it is about a Mexican prison, but the descriptions are very similar.

[madnessteat]

I think that nowadays it is much more important to provide the necessary support measures to people who are at large, especially those who are working on the front line, as it is not known how long we will need to live in isolation and quarantine. It is very scary when doctors work without proper protection.  Yesterday, I saw a video of an Italian doctor talking about the fact that he is wearing a normal medical mask because there are simply not enough respirators.

Think about what happens if we start to lose doctors.

[Naida_BR]

Some inmates that have minor cases are being released in some advanced countries. while in Africa nobody cares about the prisoners if the virus will affect or kill them, not minding that they are also our loved ones trapped behind walls, who need help, because the virus has no boundaries,  I read about prisons in the amazon deriving funds from inmates to pay $4 for treatment or checkup before they will be issued with hand sanitizers and facemasks, but the government is supposed to make free provisions for them because they labour too with their sweat and energy.
We should'nt forget the prisoners they are human beings serving capital punishments. What could be the best healthcare provision for the prisoners?

In every public authoritarian  institution governments have taken measures for coronavirus.
Maybe this incident that you are reporting which is coming from Africa, exists because there are not so many infections from coronavirus in Africa - only the North part of the continent suffers more.

[BADecker]

Corona-Madness: Authoritarianism Is Not The Answer! by Ron Paul... not even for the prison population.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=085N-m6-yfA

[akram143]

In my country most prisoners were released due to this corona because there is not enough space for everyone to keep them in cells so based on their remaining prison time they have been released but now sure how much were exactly been released.

I have a question though why corona should enters into the prison? It is the most secured place then how it could spread there.

[bones261]

In my country most prisoners were released due to this corona because there is not enough space for everyone to keep them in cells so based on their remaining prison time they have been released but now sure how much were exactly been released.

I have a question though why corona should enters into the prison? It is the most secured place then how it could spread there.

Because most prisons have employees who bring the virus in with them. Also, many prisons don't have all of their prisoners in 24/7 solitary lock down. Many even have 2 or more inmates per cell. Your country is probably releasing the less dangerous criminals so they can have only one to a cell, and those that remain will now probably be in their cell, most of the time. I almost feel sorry for those that remain because they will probably be mostly isolated.

[Gyfts]

What do you propose the alternative is? Federal governments aren't necessarily the ones to defend treatment of prisoners due to political reasons and when resources are already scarce, it's hard to make the case that prisoners should receive preferable treatment. Swine flu had the same issue where you saw it overtake entire prison populations pretty much instantly and I'd imagine that'd be the same case with coronavirus. The only reason you don't see that reported in the data is lack of testing. The U.S. already offers "decent" medical care to prisoners and I frankly think it's sufficient. When hospitals are overrun with dwindling resources and few numbers of ventilators, increasing the allocation of equipment to prisons aren't a priority.