Coronavirus + Prisons

[madnessteat]

In my country most prisoners were released due to this corona because there is not enough space for everyone to keep them in cells so based on their remaining prison time they have been released but now sure how much were exactly been released.

I have a question though why corona should enters into the prison? It is the most secured place then how it could spread there.

I don't know about other countries, but in Russia if a prisoner is serving his sentence under the general regime he is sometimes allowed to meet with a relative or he can get some food. If personal meetings with a relative are currently prohibited due to coronavirus, the transfer of food can still take place.  Coronavirus can easily go to prison with the food. So the prison is not a safe place from panacea.

[Subbir]

You just said prison isn't a secure place nobody can tell how the corona virus usually spreads to the disease therein case the govt of each country should release prison inmates for the security of everyone. this is often a significant problem therefore the government must take drastic measures. Already many countries have released prisoners.

[BADecker]

Stay home! Self quarantine. Find out what prison feels like the nice way.

[Broly46]

Now you ought to fear the prison! Be a nice slave, be decent, obey the military laws.

[BADecker]

How happy some prisoners must be to be in solitary now.     

[merchantofzeny]

Some inmates that have minor cases are being released in some advanced countries. while in Africa nobody cares about the prisoners if the virus will affect or kill them, not minding that they are also our loved ones trapped behind walls, who need help, because the virus has no boundaries,  I read about prisons in the amazon deriving funds from inmates to pay $4 for treatment or checkup before they will be issued with hand sanitizers and facemasks, but the government is supposed to make free provisions for them because they labour too with their sweat and energy.
We should'nt forget the prisoners they are human beings serving capital punishments. What could be the best healthcare provision for the prisoners?

Africa IS the prison. Why else do you think they are fleeing en masse to Europe?

I can only imagine the prisons in my country. They've stopped all visits pretty early and there have been no riots about that like in Italy but they're packed like sardines so it's totally gonna spread. Like, they catch BOILS from each other, it's not like they can stop breathing to not catch the coronavirus.

How happy some prisoners must be to be in solitary now.     

"Oh no, I'm just fine here, seriously. Don't let me out."

[BADecker]

How happy some prisoners must be to be in solitary now.     

"Oh no, I'm just fine here, seriously. Don't let me out."

They let you have Internet in solitary?!?     

[tanef478]

This is a controversial issue, many people believe that they are not worthy.

[BADecker]

Good place to manufacture herd immunity.


World's Largest USA Prison System an Incubator for COVID-19 Outbreaks

World's Largest USA Prison System an Incubator for COVID-19 Outbreaks

by Stephen Lendman (stephenlendman.org - Home - Stephen Lendman)

Large numbers of people in close contact indoors virtually assure many more COVID-19 outbreaks and deaths from the disease than in the general population.

The Trump regime doesn't take the issue seriously, not when outbreaks first began, notably not now with record numbers of cases reported most days — a record-high 60,000+ on Wednesday.

Official White House policy ignores the issue, failing to provide help to states and local communities, hoping it can prevent the severest public health crisis in modern times from being a major election issue.

Dems' strategy and most establishment media are using what's going on to make Trump a one-term president.

If numbers of outbreaks and deaths keep increasing throughout the summer and fall, Biden will likely succeed him in January, along with Dems maintaining control of the House and gaining it over the Senate.

Most often in US history, government is divided between both wings of the one-party state.

Bush/Cheney controlled the White House and Congress during most of its tenure. So did JFK and LBJ. Dwight Eisenhower did for a portion of his presidency.

From the late 1920s to early 1930s, Republicans ran all three branches.

From 1937 - 1945 during the tenures of FDR and HST, Dems had full control.

New Deal, Fair Deal, Great Society years were exceptions to the rule in how the US has been governed.

Most often, both right wings of the one-party state serve privileged interests exclusively at the expense of the public welfare.

Clearly that's how things are today. Indifference toward public health and welfare contributed greatly to spreading COVID-19 outbreaks.

The world's richest country USA has done the must abysmal job in dealing with cases.

Based on current trends, they could be much higher this fall and winter, cooler weather accelerating outbreaks.

They're worst of all among the US prison population, the world's largest by far, including thousands behind bars for political reasons. 

What's longstanding in the US is testimony to its contempt for equity, justice, and the rule of law, — not adherence to its fundamental principles that's never been core US policy, just the opposite.

According to the Prison Policy Initiative, around five million or more Americans are arrested, imprisoned or jailed annually, millions more under correctional supervision, people of color disproportionately affected, Blacks most of all.

To date, nearly 50,000 US prison inmates contracted COVID-19.

Because healthcare in US federal, state, and local prisons is abysmal, contracting the virus is especially of concern for older inmates with weak immune systems and other health issues.

They're certain to be ill-treated, why're hundreds already died behind bars, most other ill unmates left to suffer under harsh gulag conditions.

According to Solidarity Watch.org, numbers of US prison inmates held under these conditions increased from around 60,000 before COVID-19 outbreaks began to an estimated 300,000 now.

Longterm solitary confinement is torture by other means, a flagrant 8th Amendment breach.

Locking people in cages longterm with little or no human contact flagrantly violates the letter and spirit of the law.

Yet it's standard US prison practice nationwide, victims out of sight and mind, ignored by society, including establishment media.

There's virtually no limit on how long inmates can be isolated in federal, state, and local confinement.

Psychologist Hans Toch once coined the term "isolation panic."

He described symptoms that include hysteria, rage, total loss of control, emotional breakdown, regressive behavior, and self-mutilation.

When ill in isolation, things are harshly worse.

On July 8, the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) published a report on COVID-19 cases in federal and state prisons, explaining the following:

Under conditions of involuntary close confinement, there's virtually no access to personal protective equipment (PPE).

An elevated risk of cardiac, respiratory, and other serious health issues exists besides an environment that's highly conducive to spreading COVID-19 from one infected inmate to others.

By early June in a prison population that's around half the US total at any moment in time, JAMA found 42,107 inmates infected with COVID-19, a case rate of "3,251 per 100,000 prisoners," and 510 deaths.

The "case rate for prisoners was 5.5 times higher than the US population case rate of 587 per 100,?000."

"The crude COVID-19 death rate in prisons was 39 deaths per 100,?000 prisoners, which was higher than the US population rate of 29 deaths per 100?000."

Most inmate deaths were aged-65 or over.

JAMA concluded the following:

COVID-19 cases and deaths are substantially higher and escalating much more rapidly in prisons than in the general US population.

Clearly it's because large numbers of inmates are in close proximity to each other — compounded by profoundly dismal healthcare in US prisons.

The US honors its worst and either harms or is indifferent to its best and most disadvantaged.

Most US prison inmates are behind bars for nonviolent offenses, many for illicit drug possession or other misdemeanors that in most societies are too minor to matter.

America's prison/industrial complex grew exponentially over the last half century because of institutionalized racism, police state toughness, judicial unfairness, political persecution, and a guilty unless proved innocent system for society's most disadvantaged.

While Blacks are disproportionately imprisoned, Native Americans have the highest percent of their population behind bars.

Mass incarceration in the US is a growth industry, a form of human trafficking, including privately-run prisons, their management incentivized to fill beds and provide barebones services for maximum profits — including minimal healthcare even for seriously ill inmates.

There's never a good time for anyone to languish behind bars.

Because prisons are incubators for spreading infectious diseases, it's especially hazardous to human health and welfare to be behind bars now.

If the present trend continues, numbers of COVID-19 outbreaks and deaths in US prisons and overall society are likely to be much higher this fall and winter.

It's especially worrisome in a nation that's notoriously indifferent toward the health and welfare of its ordinary people, worst of all for those behind bars.

[squatz1]

I don't think that there are enough funds to help them but I think that people in prison are more unlikely to contract virus unless there was a physical contact from the outside. The relief operations should be directed to poor people but I think having a preventive measures could have help them in the first place.

But this is exactly what is happening in prison. People are coming in from the outside (Guards, Medical Staff, Warden, Business Staff, Janitors, etc) and are infecting the people in their. Once a prisoner is infected it's kinda over -- isn't as much distancing possible in the prison system as their is in your everyday life. You're forced to be with people for a certain amount of time, most of the time you're living with another person.

So -- I don't see the issue with releasing people for minor non violent crimes.

Quoting one of my old responses to again push the issue that we really are having some CRAZY outbreaks in prisons and they're one of the major sources of outbreaks. There really is nothing that people in prisons are able to do to protect themselves, as they're going to be living with another person, eating in a cafeteria, going onto the yard, and so on.

Not too sanitary as well in the prison system. Not like everyone is nicely separated and is living in some nice Scandinavian prison, this is an American prison.

Here's an article from the NY Times regarding the issue (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/16/us/coronavirus-inmates-prisons-jails.html) If you need to bypass paywalls, see here - https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome - I'm not affiliated at all with this chrome extension btw.

The real way to fix this issue, is to continue to let people out of jail who are in for non-violent crimes and just tell them that they have to serve their sentence (for now) at home.

[BADecker]

I don't think that there are enough funds to help them but I think that people in prison are more unlikely to contract virus unless there was a physical contact from the outside. The relief operations should be directed to poor people but I think having a preventive measures could have help them in the first place.

But this is exactly what is happening in prison. People are coming in from the outside (Guards, Medical Staff, Warden, Business Staff, Janitors, etc) and are infecting the people in their. Once a prisoner is infected it's kinda over -- isn't as much distancing possible in the prison system as their is in your everyday life. You're forced to be with people for a certain amount of time, most of the time you're living with another person.

So -- I don't see the issue with releasing people for minor non violent crimes.

Quoting one of my old responses to again push the issue that we really are having some CRAZY outbreaks in prisons and they're one of the major sources of outbreaks. There really is nothing that people in prisons are able to do to protect themselves, as they're going to be living with another person, eating in a cafeteria, going onto the yard, and so on.

Not too sanitary as well in the prison system. Not like everyone is nicely separated and is living in some nice Scandinavian prison, this is an American prison.

Here's an article from the NY Times regarding the issue (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/16/us/coronavirus-inmates-prisons-jails.html) If you need to bypass paywalls, see here - https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome - I'm not affiliated at all with this chrome extension btw.

The real way to fix this issue, is to continue to let people out of jail who are in for non-violent crimes and just tell them that they have to serve their sentence (for now) at home.

What!? And not spread their herd immunity to the rest of us!? That's really not nice.

 

[uneng]

Actually I'm more concerned about the good innocent citizens being abusively charged on the streets and having to pay a fine to the government for not using masks than for prisioners healthcare.
As long the prisioners *stay home* (on their jails) and don't have contact with people from outside, their health will be theoretically ok. I know some clever people use the coronavirus excuse to free them, but it's illogical, as the infection chances increase if they are released.

[elisabetheva]

Actually I'm more concerned about the good innocent citizens being abusively charged on the streets and having to pay a fine to the government for not using masks than for prisioners healthcare.
As long the prisioners *stay home* (on their jails) and don't have contact with people from outside, their health will be theoretically ok. I know some clever people use the coronavirus excuse to free them, but it's illogical, as the infection chances increase if they are released.

what you say is indeed happening and right now such a reality cannot be denied. by doing a "stay home" is one of the best prevention at this time. but how many realize and want to do that compared to those who do not heed, this is a problem of course. no benefit will be gained if not jointly do so.

sad if you see a reality like this happening and can not be resolved properly, then before the existence of drugs and vaccines will certainly continue to infect people and not a few who will become victims. the pity of course is the medical staff who cannot rest because the affected people are not finished. it looks like the medical staff are working without results that they can be satisfied with because they can help people recover, but there continue to arrive sick patients.

[squatz1]

Actually I'm more concerned about the good innocent citizens being abusively charged on the streets and having to pay a fine to the government for not using masks than for prisioners healthcare.
As long the prisioners *stay home* (on their jails) and don't have contact with people from outside, their health will be theoretically ok. I know some clever people use the coronavirus excuse to free them, but it's illogical, as the infection chances increase if they are released.

Not true at all. The people who are in prison have a higher chance of getting the Coronavirus because of the fact that they're in prison.Very close together, not as sanitary as the outside world. Living with someone else by default. Plus if they're released from prison they're going to be mandated to stay in their house, with ankle monitors and the whole thing (I'm assuming this is the case, if not it's just the honor system)

Public health experts have been ringing the alarm relating to the crisis that is prisons and the spread of Corona. Plus the fact that all of the guards and stuff are bringing it home to their own children/family/etc.

[BADecker]

Actually I'm more concerned about the good innocent citizens being abusively charged on the streets and having to pay a fine to the government for not using masks than for prisioners healthcare.
As long the prisioners *stay home* (on their jails) and don't have contact with people from outside, their health will be theoretically ok. I know some clever people use the coronavirus excuse to free them, but it's illogical, as the infection chances increase if they are released.

If government (in the USA) orders and demands, and uses force, to make people wear masks, government had better be able to prove in court that there is a necessity. People are starting to move out of the physical resistance, and into the court resistance. It might cost some governors and mayors some out-of-pocket $money if they can't prove Covid to be a threat in a court of law.

The only way we know that health from things like viruses stays healthy, is through natural herd immunity. This does not mean that sick people should socialize. It means that carriers of Covid who are NOT sick should socialize with other people. Then the other people will get a few Covid viruses rather than the many that they would get from sick people. Once they have a few viruses, their immune system will make the antidote. That's what herd immunity is.

[uneng]

Actually I'm more concerned about the good innocent citizens being abusively charged on the streets and having to pay a fine to the government for not using masks than for prisioners healthcare.
As long the prisioners *stay home* (on their jails) and don't have contact with people from outside, their health will be theoretically ok. I know some clever people use the coronavirus excuse to free them, but it's illogical, as the infection chances increase if they are released.

Plus if they're released from prison they're going to be mandated to stay in their house, with ankle monitors and the whole thing (I'm assuming this is the case, if not it's just the honor system)

Public health experts have been ringing the alarm relating to the crisis that is prisons and the spread of Corona. Plus the fact that all of the guards and stuff are bringing it home to their own children/family/etc.

That is impossible. Imagine a government handling a pandemic while monitoring millions (or almost a million) of criminals through the country. These people are there because they don't respect laws, why would they respect it now and stay home (some don't even have a house)?
It's too dangerous and irresponsible to expose the society to a vast number of outlaws while many people are already scared by the coronavirus.

Public health experts have been ringing the alarm relating to the crisis that is prisons and the spread of Corona. Plus the fact that all of the guards and stuff are bringing it home to their own children/family/etc.

From the infection point of view, it's risky like any other job. Following this logic doctors shouldn't work too, because they are bringing the virus home to their families.

If government (in the USA) orders and demands, and uses force, to make people wear masks, government had better be able to prove in court that there is a necessity. People are starting to move out of the physical resistance, and into the court resistance. It might cost some governors and mayors some out-of-pocket $money if they can't prove Covid to be a threat in a court of law.

True, but I see no one has the balls to face governments and make them prove anything towards the court...

The only way we know that health from things like viruses stays healthy, is through natural herd immunity. This does not mean that sick people should socialize. It means that carriers of Covid who are NOT sick should socialize with other people. Then the other people will get a few Covid viruses rather than the many that they would get from sick people. Once they have a few viruses, their immune system will make the antidote. That's what herd immunity is.

Interesting, I haven't seen this theory on the media yet  
But actually that is happening since the beginning. Many people were infected and they didn't even realize this fact and continued working, socializing with others (and probably infecting other people who didn't show any symptoms as well).

[BADecker]

The only way we know that health from things like viruses stays healthy, is through natural herd immunity. This does not mean that sick people should socialize. It means that carriers of Covid who are NOT sick should socialize with other people. Then the other people will get a few Covid viruses rather than the many that they would get from sick people. Once they have a few viruses, their immune system will make the antidote. That's what herd immunity is.

Interesting, I haven't seen this theory on the media yet  
But actually that is happening since the beginning. Many people were infected and they didn't even realize this fact and continued working, socializing with others (and probably infecting other people who didn't show any symptoms as well).

For thousands of years there was virtually never a lockdown of healthy people. They always quarantined the sick people. The worldwide lockdowns are new science, but maybe they are a coup against the freedoms of the people.

There are at least hundreds of thousands of viruses. Nobody can stop these viruses. Not by quarantine, mask, or lockdown. The reason people are protected from all these viruses is, they have caught a few of them from their friends, and then their bodies built immunity to the viruses.

You can't catch a tiny bit of virus from somebody, so that your immune system can fight it, if you don't come in contact with other people. This is the only way it has worked for thousands of years.

The top medical people all know this. I think that they are preparing us for something worse than a simple virus problem. And they will be the ones to administer the new thing, whatever it may be. It might be worse than what Hitler tried to do by force.

[uneng]

The top medical people all know this. I think that they are preparing us for something worse than a simple virus problem. And they will be the ones to administer the new thing, whatever it may be. It might be worse than what Hitler tried to do by force.

I think the plan is to destabilize world economies, so the regulators and bureaucrats find no resistance in abusing countries sovereignty, in this case through W.H.O and their excuse they are just caring for human lives.
Curiously they didn't do this when the virus spread started in China in the end of 2019, actually they cleared China government from any guilt.

However, by now, I think their plans were frustrated a little bit, because the virus isn't so powerful like the heralds of chaos propagate 24/7 on the media. Many people are aware about this manipulation and don't accept the hysteria built around coronavirus.
While our free speech right is guaranteed on the internet I think we are safe... Due to this factor we weren't overcame by the lords of the world and didn't lose our freedom yet.

[BADecker]

The top medical people all know this. I think that they are preparing us for something worse than a simple virus problem. And they will be the ones to administer the new thing, whatever it may be. It might be worse than what Hitler tried to do by force.

I think the plan is to destabilize world economies, so the regulators and bureaucrats find no resistance in abusing countries sovereignty, in this case through W.H.O and their excuse they are just caring for human lives.
Curiously they didn't do this when the virus spread started in China in the end of 2019, actually they cleared China government from any guilt.

However, by now, I think their plans were frustrated a little bit, because the virus isn't so powerful like the heralds of chaos propagate 24/7 on the media. Many people are aware about this manipulation and don't accept the hysteria built around coronavirus.
While our free speech right is guaranteed on the internet I think we are safe... Due to this factor we weren't overcame by the lords of the world and didn't lose our freedom yet.

Who controls the Internet? Walmart won't let you shop without a mask. Yet this is a Walmart decision. It's not a governmental order.

[panganib999]

In order to help prevent the spread of virus, medical experts as well as the World Health Organization (WHO) have mentioned a way to somehow help people to get rid of being infected aside from wearing mask is to do physical or social distancing so that potential carriers won't have physical interaction with other people since it is said that virus can be transferred through droplets and physical contact from an infected person.

But with the prison system, most specially like here in the country where I reside, jails are being crowded with lots of prisoners to think that they are likely to have the potential to spread virus because when one gets infected, so the other one will be. Recently, in one of our cities here, 300 prisoners have been infected inside the jail and the cases are getting higher as of the moment because of the situation inside that won't exhibit social distancing because of the small space alloted to be their rooms inside. But health care officials as well as the police are making way to isolate and do mass testing to detect potential carriers whether asymptomatic or symptomatic to be able not to spread the virus more evenly. It is said that setting them free won't be a solution for they are still criminals even if they are ordinary people that are prone to be infected due to their status inside the jail.