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April 01, 2020, 11:21:20 AM
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Confused on what to invest in during the COVID19 crisis. The founder of Indra Crypto Capital breaks down in a simplified way how to best protect your finances and position yourself.

https://medium.com/@cryptohayek/covid-19-and-your-financial-well-being-346dc20dc64f
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April 01, 2020, 11:41:55 AM
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Confused on what to invest in during the COVID19 crisis. The founder of Indra Crypto Capital breaks down in a simplified way how to best protect your finances and position yourself.

https://medium.com/@cryptohayek/covid-19-and-your-financial-well-being-346dc20dc64f

This sums it up:
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"Things are about to get a lot worse."
"The need for scarce assets that will do well against this form of theft and destruction of currency values has never been greater: Again, Gold, Silver and Bitcoin, all stores of value."

The headlines today are pretty dire indeed:

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"Dow futures fall more than 200 points after market posts worst first quarter on record"
"The Fed’s Loretta Mester says to expect ‘some really bad economic numbers’ before things get better"
"Start-ups cut nearly 4,000 jobs in March as coronavirus impact ripples through tech"
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/31/coronavirus-latest-updates.html

During the immediate liquidity crisis, USD is the obvious choice. Silver and BTC haven't held up particularly well in comparison, although gold has held up okay. I think precious metals and BTC will both rally in the recovery stage (think 2009) but as long as stock markets are still in the dumps, USD is the safest bet.

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April 01, 2020, 12:57:11 PM
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This sums it up:
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"Things are about to get a lot worse."
"The need for scarce assets that will do well against this form of theft and destruction of currency values has never been greater: Again, Gold, Silver and Bitcoin, all stores of value."

From asset that you meantion the only one serving as store of value is gold

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April 01, 2020, 01:05:13 PM
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Confused on what to invest in

Well, most businesses will have hard times and some businesses will be affected later by this since they're funded indirectly by some of those that are in trouble now.
All in all, it's very difficult to find something that worth investing in.

Then, the rule tells you should only invest what you afford to lose. And nowadays the "buffer" you should keep has to be bigger (for longer period).

I think that the ones who have funds for investing will wait and keep their eyes open. And when a business is getting into difficulty or simply the shares value drops significantly, then they buy.
So the rule would be: buy the dip or wait if there's no great opportunity now; it may come tomorrow.

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April 01, 2020, 03:12:17 PM
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I think that the ones who have funds for investing will wait and keep their eyes open. And when a business is getting into difficulty or simply the shares value drops significantly, then they buy.
So the rule would be: buy the dip or wait if there's no great opportunity now; it may come tomorrow.

These investors who will buy securities managed to sell them in time at the very beginning of the crisis. Because they usually do not keep their capital without investing in the business. And now they have the opportunity to buy back previously sold securities, but at a lower price.

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April 01, 2020, 03:32:51 PM
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So the rule would be: buy the dip or wait if there's no great opportunity now; it may come tomorrow.
Sound like a tip but it is too general. If everybody knew what is "dip" then who would be willing to buy at high? In the whole year 2018, today's dip is tomorrow's high. It's a lesson for current market situation. No one knows when the Covid-19 pandemic ends. Until that time, buying is a risky decision. A little technical analysis knowledge is needed in this case for short time frame trades. However, if you believe bitcoin will eventually reach USD 30k or 50k in 2021 or 2025 then buying now or tomorrow doesn't much matter.
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April 01, 2020, 03:37:53 PM
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The author made the article as vague as possible without really touching deeper into his topic.

Keep an eye out for opportunities: Eventually Real estate (Apartments, Farmland), Stocks, Fixed income investments and Distressed Businesses will provide fantastic opportunities for those with the dry powder (you can deploy into these from the stores of value). Just not yet.

This was his whole point in the article when he talked about the "Financial Well-being" of a person and in the views of someone who even knows a little about investing they already know about what he is saying. What they don't know of course is where will these opportunities is the best one to pick which he didn't talked about in the article. Bottomline is I didn't get anything new or learn something new just by reading the article as it lacks content and everything he have said is something I already know.
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April 02, 2020, 09:59:40 AM
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If you ask me I would say that Bitcoin is already a good choice. You can then add gold, silver and other solid investments to it. The price of Bitcoin did go down during this pandemic, but what matters a lot is if it’s still going to recover and the answer to that is a yes, the price of Bitcoin will go up after all this is over. So, now is like an opportunity to invest your money at a cheaper rate than what you’re going to get it in the future.

There will be a time when the price of Bitcoin will go up and those that didn’t invest now will start regretting why they didn’t buy it, but they had the chance all this while and still don’t want to.

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April 02, 2020, 10:41:55 AM
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Hey,
       Author here. Pretty much agree with what you're saying USD is good to have. Gold is good to have as well. Silver if you think it's undervalued (I do). Bitcoin has done well since the liquidation of weak hands last month. I'm probably more bullish on that one.

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Confused on what to invest in during the COVID19 crisis. The founder of Indra Crypto Capital breaks down in a simplified way how to best protect your finances and position yourself.

https://medium.com/@cryptohayek/covid-19-and-your-financial-well-being-346dc20dc64f

This sums it up:
Quote
"Things are about to get a lot worse."
"The need for scarce assets that will do well against this form of theft and destruction of currency values has never been greater: Again, Gold, Silver and Bitcoin, all stores of value."

The headlines today are pretty dire indeed:

Quote
"Dow futures fall more than 200 points after market posts worst first quarter on record"
"The Fed’s Loretta Mester says to expect ‘some really bad economic numbers’ before things get better"
"Start-ups cut nearly 4,000 jobs in March as coronavirus impact ripples through tech"
https://www.c[Suspicious link removed]m/2020/03/31/coronavirus-latest-updates.html

During the immediate liquidity crisis, USD is the obvious choice. Silver and BTC haven't held up particularly well in comparison, although gold has held up okay. I think precious metals and BTC will both rally in the recovery stage (think 2009) but as long as stock markets are still in the dumps, USD is the safest bet.
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I think Gold is a must-have. Silver if you think it's undervalued, and Bitcoin if you have a bullish thesis on it (definitely less of a track record than Gold!)

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"Things are about to get a lot worse."
"The need for scarce assets that will do well against this form of theft and destruction of currency values has never been greater: Again, Gold, Silver and Bitcoin, all stores of value."

From asset that you meantion the only one serving as store of value is gold


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I think Gold is a must-have. Silver if you think it's undervalued, and Bitcoin if you have a bullish thesis on it (definitely less of a track record than Gold!)
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"Things are about to get a lot worse."
"The need for scarce assets that will do well against this form of theft and destruction of currency values has never been greater: Again, Gold, Silver and Bitcoin, all stores of value."

From asset that you mention the only one serving as a store of value is gold



I did not write about what is good investment or something like that. I wrote what is a store of value and what is not. Silver is not so as Bitcoin is not. Bitcoin might be one day. Might or not, only time will tell. Definitely not today.
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April 02, 2020, 10:02:35 PM
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I believe that bitcoin is still one of the best kind of investment this season because people are kind of letting go off their coins because of fear. Putting some money in now will be good as China is beginning to start there business again, more countries too will join in no long time market will start to bull.

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April 03, 2020, 07:38:02 AM
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Here is my tip, you can invest right now when you can because there are a lot of new and low priced stocks right now which is a gold oppurtunity if you want to earn be it long-term or short-term investment this is the right time. If you don't do it now then the price will eventually recover and that will make it a little expensive for you to invest. And also invest in what you love and what interest you the most.

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Investment in the real sector can be an alternative choice in these conditions. In conditions that are completely uncertain and full of pessimism, I suggest colleagues, not like investors in general who only wait and see, I suggest paradox thinking and dare to take risks. If other entrepreneurs try to do cost reduction we must focus on growth. Perform proactive responses to market needs and capture market momentum that is currently quiet so that competition is not so tight.

After China succeeded in overcoming the pandemic, now China began to stretch to rise. We pull the simulation, if the lockdown is opened, Hubei is opened as well as Beijing & Shanghai will the Chinese production be 100% direct, of course, it will take some time because China is a producing country & the supply market has not healed or is in the recovery stage. So during the recovery stage, each country fighting the coronavirus will not go fast because there is a process of re-acceleration in the production process and of course the priority is domestic consumption.

Exports or imports may be limited or even very small, even if imports are only for the energy sector. So after the pandemic effect, if we can capture the momentum as a good opportunity to invest in the real sector. The sooner a country enters the pit stop (at home only) the faster the curve reversal process begins. For additional information, since yesterday I have started to get regular export requests for conch shells to China which will be used as raw material for shirt buttons. This shows that the Chinese economy is starting to move.

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April 04, 2020, 11:23:41 AM
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I think that it is worth paying attention to 2008, when the whole world was mired in the economic crisis, and at the same time, the Chinese government managed to achieve very good economic performance in their country.  It seems to me that the same situation awaits us, when the economies of each country will suffer because of the coronavirus, and at the same time in China, which has not yet been able to overcome the problem of the coronavirus in its country, it is already starting to export essential goods to other countries, medical equipment  and other goods that no country can refuse.  Because of this, I believe that the next economic crisis will affect all countries except China.  As for the cryptocurrency market, throughout the entire existence of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency rating cryptocurrencies, it is cryptocurrencies that are one of the most popular investments and I am sure that in the impending economic crisis, interest in cryptocurrencies will rise even more.

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April 04, 2020, 11:41:24 AM
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Confused on what to invest in during the COVID19 crisis. The founder of Indra Crypto Capital breaks down in a simplified way how to best protect your finances and position yourself.

https://medium.com/@cryptohayek/covid-19-and-your-financial-well-being-346dc20dc64f


People now do not think much about investing side because they care and focus on preventing the Covid-19, and how they can protect themselves. But for some people who have big money, maybe they think about how they will invest their money. For people who familiar with investing, they can easily choose and buy gold as the investment because they believe that gold has value, and the price is not down too much. But for people who want to search the other way for the investment, they will use the internet to find what type of the new investment, and if they find that bitcoin can be the next investment type, they will use it.

But they will search for more information about the volatility of bitcoin because the volatility is one thing that they may concern, and they don't want to see their investment value will get down anytime.

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April 04, 2020, 02:12:35 PM
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This is only something that people who are not struggling from the crisis can think of , and if I remember correctly it is all of the population except the rich people and the people who are involved in the marketing of hand sanitizers and masks .
This is indeed a very bad situation to think about investing but at the same time we cannot outlook the fact that it is also the best time to buy shares and all , because the market is down , it will go up but it will take a while .
Who can do it , does have an amazing opportunity in front of them .

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April 04, 2020, 02:40:30 PM
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I think that we can invest only in obligations right now

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April 04, 2020, 02:49:50 PM
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Those assists dumped due to COVID-19 that's assists would give you good return when we would come out from this COVID-19 epidemic. You have to do your own diligence to determine where you may invest, it would crypto or share markets & real assists like gold. But remember, it's quite dangerous to invest on current circumstances because we don't know when we may come out from COVID-19 epidemic. Perhaps we would need real cash during this epidemic to protect our families from hunger.

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April 04, 2020, 03:16:35 PM
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Those assists dumped due to COVID-19 that's assists would give you good return when we would come out from this COVID-19 epidemic. You have to do your own diligence to determine where you may invest, it would crypto or share markets & real assists like gold. But remember, it's quite dangerous to invest on current circumstances because we don't know when we may come out from COVID-19 epidemic. Perhaps we would need real cash during this epidemic to protect our families from hunger.

yes we must have to secure some cash first before putting money on assets for investment because we dont know if when the crisis will last but if ever the crisis ended  , i think our assets can guarantee an increase and can guarantee a profit with us  so we shall not ever touch them too early   .

you just need to budget the money that you have and besides our local government do something to help us like providing food packs that includes rice , canned goods , etc which we can consume   .
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