Cleobet: Another betb2b (1xbet/1xbit) clone - Flag to be supported

[SyGambler]

odds are much different between cleo and 1xbet , there is no way that they actually belong to 1xbet ( actually there are possible arbitrage bets between these two sites or bets that have really small -EV )

This is false. If I was behind 1xbet and my casino clones were getting caught quickly, this is precisely one of the things that I would do. Obfuscation it is called, look it up. The correct statement is: It is possible.

I wouldn't create a site with 1xbet design and different odds , it doesn't really make sense for 1xbet . Everything about the site is shady indeed , but can't really see that 1xbet is involved in this case
if 1xbet was trying to change how they look IMO they would change the design and offer some of their betb2b markets with added margin maybe ( cleo did the exact opposite here )

at the end I do believe that the site won't last long ( considering that they will honor winners since some of their markets are gold mines ) but really not sure what is the right thing to do with this case

[Lauda]

odds are much different between cleo and 1xbet , there is no way that they actually belong to 1xbet ( actually there are possible arbitrage bets between these two sites or bets that have really small -EV )

This is false. If I was behind 1xbet and my casino clones were getting caught quickly, this is precisely one of the things that I would do. Obfuscation it is called, look it up. The correct statement is: It is possible.

I wouldn't create a site with 1xbet design and different odds , it doesn't really make sense for 1xbet . Everything about the site is shady indeed , but can't really see that 1xbet is involved in this case
if 1xbet was trying to change how they look IMO they would change the design and offer some of their betb2b markets with added margin maybe ( cleo did the exact opposite here )

at the end I do believe that the site won't last long ( considering that they will honor winners since some of their markets are gold mines ) but really not sure what is the right thing to do with this case

Actually if you think about it from a more advanced adversarial perspective, that is exactly one of the tactics that they should deploy. Create an copycat site with obfuscated odds. There are many ways to create a 2-step obfuscation tactic so it gets recognized as "This is too stupid to do as an adversary, so they are not the adversary". My advice is reading up on adversarial tactics, both novice and advanced ones (also especially methods used by agencies).

[Cleobet]

That shady 1xbet/1xbit group is launching new clones as if it was nothing.

Its is clear that you have no expertism about bookmakers, and you do not know at all the technical parts are working.
Look what you have posted, already judging and stating that we belong to the 1xbet group.
And that without even 1 complaint from a customer!

While this is not true. And then you speaking about manners? The reason why we call you a troll is because you are, you posted very negative things about us, without even doing some research.
You also started a topic regarding Kawbet (i can not judge other sportsbooks, but I read players are writing accusations in that topic).
But even before the first accusations start, you already made a topic there.
Seems that you do not like the betb2b websites. For sure you will have lost a lot of money in the past on 1xbet/1xbit probably, and now trying to seek revenge and trying to ruin every platform that looks similar.
You should have be more carefull with your accusations, and doing better research.
I think it is normal to write negative things about a bookmaker, on the moment they are scamming/stealing money, but not only because the layout looks the same.
When customers are scammed by a bookmaker, you have the right to inform the forum about this.
What you ar edoing is just trolling, without any reasons.

[tyKiwanuka]

@Cleobet

Could you tell a bit about your license and company ? I did some googling and found some information about those 5536/JAZ gaming licenses from Curacao:

Curaçao Interactive Licensing N.V. (CIL) #5536/JAZ is a master license holder in Curaçao, meaning it’s eligible to hand out sub-licenses to operators wanting to license themselves in the Curaçao region.

Unfortunately, Curaçao is notoriously secretive in nature – and Curaçao Interactive Licensing N.V. (CIL) #5536/JAZ is no exception. It’s incredibly hard to find out anything about the license holder online, and, at the time of writing it doesn’t even appear as though they have a website!

(...)

There is no official body for taking complaints, and for this reason, it’s vital that players choosing to play at a casino licensed by Curacao Interactive Licensing N.V. (CIL) #5536/JAZ should only play at a site they trust, and that has a dispute resolution service.

It’s actually almost impossible to even find contact details for Curacao Interactive Licensing N.V. (CIL) #5536/JAZ, so if you do have any problems with a casino, you’re really going to struggle to take your complaint anywhere.

Source: https://www.casinomeister.com/gambling-jurisdictions/curacao-master-license-5536-jaz/

Do you know, whom people can contact in case of disputes ?


Your website says the following:


Source: https://cleobet.io/

And then there is Tigergaming:


Source: https://www.tigergaming.com/

This (identical) registration number is from Thot Management BV. What is this company doing for you ? They just gave you a sublicense ?

[LTU_btc]

I'm not 100% convinced that Cleobet and 1xbit arr related. But this story definitely doesn't looks good and I'm not going to use this website, unless they will prove that this accusation is wrong. Cleobet deny accusation, but I see lack of transparency in their answers and there is no facts in their words which would prove that they are legitimate. Copying design, layout, colors and other stuff from 1xbit looks bad, no matter what was reason why they did this.

[Lauda]

I'm not 100% convinced that Cleobet and 1xbit arr related. But this story definitely doesn't looks good and I'm not going to use this website, unless they will prove that this accusation is wrong. Cleobet deny accusation, but I see lack of transparency in their answers and there is no facts in their words which would prove that they are legitimate. Copying design, layout, colors and other stuff from 1xbit looks bad, no matter what was reason why they did this.

Not even their license is proper, what else do you need?

[efialtis]

Have you guys noticed more and more newbie and/or very low rankend users are entering discussions in those ANNs of new bookies?

I am still confident that the flag is justified - not to mention the unprofessional behaviour they are showing...

But... what about all those accounts mentioned previously - still having a hard time figuring this out...

[Lauda]

Have you guys noticed more and more newbie and/or very low rankend users are entering discussions in those ANNs of new bookies?

I am still confident that the flag is justified - not to mention the unprofessional behaviour they are showing...

But... what about all those accounts mentioned previously - still having a hard time figuring this out...

I would assume any new casino that is showing just some red flags (e.g. copied design, or copied ToS) warrants a flag because it is high-risk until proven otherwise.

[efialtis]

Have you guys noticed more and more newbie and/or very low rankend users are entering discussions in those ANNs of new bookies?

I am still confident that the flag is justified - not to mention the unprofessional behaviour they are showing...

But... what about all those accounts mentioned previously - still having a hard time figuring this out...

I would assume any new casino that is showing just some red flags (e.g. copied design, or copied ToS) warrants a flag because it is high-risk until proven otherwise.

Agreed - that´s my standpoint from the very beginning. And after all, we are not talking about some charity organization but a gambling operator...

[Rikafip]

Have you guys noticed more and more newbie and/or very low rankend users are entering discussions in those ANNs of new bookies?

Few low ranked accounts (newbie-Member) that are writing on Cleobet ANN worked on several other threads known for hiring bumping services, so yeah, I think that you are onto something here. Like 2 buddies gsingh and Bitlend that just showed up today to defend Cleobet.

I had found this as a unique sport bet platform. Hope, it will be liked by many sport bet hunters. It also had a bonus program. Quite impressive

I don't know, why the people trying to mistrust this thread with a Newbie accounts.Kindly don't use your alt accounts to make a fake post and ruin this project.

And here they are working side by side on other  ANNs that hired bumping services





Flag supported!

edit: another account that worked with 2 previously  mentioned, vfrcbv91 jumped in to defend Cleobet. Time to add Cleobet on my list of ANN that are using bumping services.

[Cleobet]

Come on guys, if you want to work together trying to take Cleobet.io out, do it less suspicious.
Now it is only visible that this is a coordinated action from efialtis.

I think Cleobet can go into the books for record, people trying to red flag it.. withou even 1 complaint from a customer!

Users on the forum should warn eachother regarding bookmakers, when customers are not get paid or face problems.
Not because the site looks "shady", acoording to the "team" of efialtis. People who are supporting the red flag without any reasons or proof.
It is also quite funny that we have to proof we have no connection to 1xbit. I thought in the society it is normal to give statements with proof, if you accuse something. And not just trolling like efialtis is constantly doing.

efialtis interesm appears to be poker. But when our site was announced he was hitting the F5 button, waiting to slander it.
The ony question arrised:
Which sportsbook has hired efialtis to slander cleobet.io, or is he get screwed by 1xbit and seeking for revenge without doing any research.

I also want to mention that efialtis has no idea where he is talking about.

Some example:

KawBet.com definitely belongs to the 1xbet/1xbit group - 100%, not 95% but 100%!

There is no such thing as "1xbet/1xbit group". Those sites are hiring the platform from white labeled company Betb2b.
But I guess it was even to hard for efialtis to research this.

I understand that Kawbet has a ruined reputation ( I do not judge of this is justified). But at least it was based on negative experiences from users, who claimed not to get baid, or accounts that were closed.
Then it is justified to write something.

Cleobet.io; 0 complaints from customers and 1 troll constantly rolling.
And a red flag? LOL

[Lauda]

Come on guys, if you want to work together trying to take Cleobet.io out, do it less suspicious.
Now it is only visible that this is a coordinated action from efialtis.

You have it all figured out. Big brain.

[efialtis]

Come on guys, if you want to work together trying to take Cleobet.io out, do it less suspicious.
Now it is only visible that this is a coordinated action from efialtis.

You have it all figured out. Big brain.

He definitely has! When it comes to me, well, my life goal achieved --> "taking out" cleobet as they say... coordinated action! 

@Cleobet I wont bother responding any longer - several questions still unanswered and you keep insulting me - not that I care - says a lot though.

[Jeremy Franklin]

I support this flag. This case looks highly suspicious. We don't need more people falling for this bullsh*t.

[tyKiwanuka]

There is no such thing as "1xbet/1xbit group". Those sites are hiring the platform from white labeled company Betb2b.

This pic gives a different impression ("by 1xBet"):


Source: https://www.sbcnews.co.uk/sportsbook/2019/02/19/betb2b-brands-pass-1-million-daily-players/

And in the article it says:

BetB2B, a partner brand of 1xBet,(...)

Source: https://www.sbcnews.co.uk/sportsbook/2019/02/19/betb2b-brands-pass-1-million-daily-players/

Then you have this alarming statement:

All sites such as 1xbit / 1xbet / melbet and now also kawbet are white label platforms. The underlying software is provided by the company BETB2B.
(...)
But the real problem is that withdrawals in this case have to be approved by Kawbet and BETb2b. If one of the sides does not approve your withdrawal, then you can see goodbye to your money.

And Kawbet confirmed that they are not in sole control of addresses (or at least the bitshares address):

(...)
On the same bitshares address, this software is provided by betb2b which also handles other related sites.  But it doesn’t mean that these sites have the same operators.

@Cleobet

It will be very hard for you and take a long time to prove your legitimacy (if you are), since all bookmakers/casinos face scam accusations on a regular basis. But you digged yourself a hole right from the start and you have to admit that everything points to your company/site being connected to 1xBet group in whatever way in the end.

And I am still waiting for some statement about that license/company thing, if possible If there is nothing to hide, you could just tell, how these Curacao licenses work and what role Thot Management BV is playing in this construct.

[Cleobet]

Starting my own investigation. I find something really interesting. I will continue this investigation for sure, to proof

Hi, do you have account for sale ?

Can you ask @Rikafip pm me ? ! I cant send them private message ..(

Both Legendary accounts are banned.     Use escrow.

Ooops....


As can been seen, user Rikafip is trying to camouflage it (but not really on a smart way).
He is in public now making requests for buying accounts on this forum.

And he suddenly received merits from user efialtis. Merits for what?
I am sure efialtis is using more accounts on the forum (or working together with other people), by using more accounts.
efialtis and Rikafip are the same. And it would not surprise me if he owns dozens of other accounts!


And guess what:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5218615.msg54148869#msg54148869

Rikafip even is selling accounts in this topic!

@Accountsbtalk selling Full Member and Legendary accounts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5218614.msg53108824;boardseen#new
Archive  https://archive.md/5Fy2A

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5218525.msg53634486#msg53634486
Archive  https://archive.ph/ahpXl

I have 2 Bitcointalk accounts for sale. Both accounts are with neutral trust. Never banned or ever requested a loan. Only english posts.
Accounts are active and comes with the registered email address. They are both clean and good.

Full member
Posts: 1304
Activity: 534
Merit: 141
Registered: 2017
Price: 0.01 BTC


Legendary
Posts: 1102
Activity: 1102
Merit: 1028
Registered: 2015
Price: 0.02 BTC

Very interesting.. Rikafip  a person who is trading in accounts on bitcointalk, suddenly merited by by efialtis in this topic.
It would be better to start a topic around this "shady" business, than to try taking down a new sportsbook with no complaining customers.

[Cleobet]

UPDATE:


tyKiwanuka is also controlled by efialtis.

You do not have to be a big expert to compare the way of writing/spelling for these 2 accounts.
And also wear the same avatar..

Current list:
efialtis, tyKiwanuka, Rikafip, Lauda are the same person. (or working together)
Jeremy Franklin is a prospective here.
And for sure there are more names linked to this person.

I think I will investigate some more and start a Topic about tis.
This way of low rated/unfundemental coorindated actions must be stopped.

To be continued for sure!

The next one who is defending efialtis, will be added on the list for sure.

[Rikafip]

Starting my own investigation. I find something really interesting. I will continue this investigation for sure, to proof

@Lauda quote really fits here

You have it all figured out. Big brain.

Take a deep breath and check again the post you just quoted. Pay attention to the archived post.

[Cleobet]

I think the only one who can use a deep breath now is you..
Trading in Bitcointalk accounts. And now suddenly in this topic.
You are finished.

@Accountsbtalk selling Full Member and Legendary accounts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5218614.msg53108824;boardseen#new
Archive  https://archive.md/5Fy2A

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5218525.msg53634486#msg53634486
Archive  https://archive.ph/ahpXl

I have 2 Bitcointalk accounts for sale. Both accounts are with neutral trust. Never banned or ever requested a loan. Only english posts.
Accounts are active and comes with the registered email address. They are both clean and good.

Full member
Posts: 1304
Activity: 534
Merit: 141
Registered: 2017
Price: 0.01 BTC


Legendary
Posts: 1102
Activity: 1102
Merit: 1028
Registered: 2015
Price: 0.02 BTC

[Rikafip]

I think the only one who can use a deep breath now is you..
Trading in Bitcointalk accounts. And now suddenly in this topic.
You are finished.

As i suspected, you didn't get the point of the post you just quoted, so i guess i have to explain it to you: I am the one who reported and tagged @Accountsbtalk for advertising the account sale, I am not the one selling those accounts. If you weren't that lazy and hasty, you would see archived post in that thread i created https://archive.ph/ahpXl .  Check @Accountsbtalk trust feedback, and see who tagged him back on January 18th.

Do you understand now?