Cleobet: Another betb2b (1xbet/1xbit) clone - Flag to be supported

[efialtis]

That shady 1xbet/1xbit group is launching new clones as if it was nothing.

Just a few days ago, another crypto bookmaker named Cleobet popped up and launched a signature campaign here on bitcointalk. Visiting their website, one would immediately notice that their website is looking almost exactly the same as 1xbet and several other clones that this group is running. Just for the record even though I may be repeating myself: That group has been scamming lots of players for a long time.


Please support the flag here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1519


Just a few minutes ago, they finally posted their ANN thread and I took the chance to ask them about their relation with betb2b. Have a look at their response and my reaction:

Hello,

Thank you for the messages.
We have no association in any way with 1xbit / 1xbet / betb2b. We have developed our own platform and have our own license. We understand your questions / comments, but we are a completely different company.

That´s actually impossible, sorry - I may believe you are operating "independently" - stating you have developed your own platform, well, thats simply not true... I really hate to do/say this but with your first response - which came quickly, thanks for that - you have already disqualified yourselves. No association in any way cant be true based on the fact that your platform is exactly the same that is being used by 1xbet/1xbit and the hundreds of clones all over the net.

Then they asked me why I think its impossible that their platform is built from scratch by them... They really did as if we were fools... Have a look:

That´s actually impossible, sorry - I may believe you are operating "independently" - stating you have developed your own platform, well, thats simply not true...

May I ask you why this is impossible, according to your vision?

Are you really asking this?

Okay, here we go: Not only does your website/platform look exactly the same as 1xbet and several other betb2b clones - I am not just talking about design aspects where you could argue you were "inspired" - the whole structure is the same, even the registration procedure as well as the wording. This is not a uniquely built platform - we are no fools.

So, long story short, please read this to see why I am saying what I am saying: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5230966.msg54145586#msg54145586

Their next statement being that they have a different sports betting selection:

You are talking about the whole structure:
Perhaps it helps if you compare the offer of our sport events (sports / odds) with that of 1xbit / 1xbet.

Those differ completely from eachother.

You arent helping yourselves with your replies so far - even though I appreciate that you do answer!

The sports betting selection being different? First of all, its actually not completely different when comparing it with all those sites. And then, it doesnt need to be identical to prove me right - that betb2b platform (of course) allows you to choose.

By the way: Here in your ANN you are saying there is a 1 BTC welcome deposit bonus - on your website/platform, that you have build from scratch and completely on your own, you are saying 5 BTC... So whats it gonna be?

They definitely made their homework - when googling, you cant find any connection, new license etc. Using the very same platform though and then stating you have build it from scratch... well, I think I dont need to comment on this - its a pure joke, just visit the sites and you will see.

There is only one scenario that could have helped cleobet - if they claimed that they rent the platform while running their shop completely independently. I highly doubt that this is even possible with betb2b but... we could speak about some benefit of the doubt, maybe they didnt know how shady that group is, whatever. Well, unfortunately for them and fortunately for us, they disqualified themselves and we can warn people before its too late.

See screenshots of cleobet & 1xbet/1xbit below - registration process is almost identical... this is not just "inspiration", it´s the same platform. Same UI etc. Even their Terms and Conditions are identical (wording, structure) etc.

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[Timelord2067]

I tried unsuccessfully overnight to join their new Signature Campaign.

What struck me was those chosen typically had just five or six merits and their post numbers where barely into the thousands.  My own merit count in the last 120 days stands at 79 and my post count is close to 5,400.  It's not sour grapes - the Campaign Manager can choose as he pleases, but I'm wondering if there's a connection between the CM and the previous games? 

OP: You've been monitoring these shill game sites, - have they used the same CM?  Are the participants of the SigCamp's the same users (ie shill accounts)??

[logfiles]

Quite sad how this brand-new gambling platforms are popping out of no where and the first dumping place for their signature campaigns is bitcointalk. I mean am not against brandnew projects promoting themselves here but this trend is quite getting more and more familiar as time goes by. It's like someone knows that their previous service got busted here and as soon as they launch a new service with a few new modifications, they rush to bitcointalk to launch a signature campaign thinking people won't notice anything off

[Cleobet]

These accusations are completely ridiculous.
We have already indicated that we do not have a business relationship with 1xbit / 1xbet or a related construction.
We have rebuilt the betb2b platform with fewer functionalities (no casino and a smaller sports offer).


Regarding troll efialtis:
User efialtis only has 1 goal, and that is to take down Cleobet.io
He aefialtis is paid by a competitor in the gambling sector to shake up the image of sportsbooks, this is against the rules of the forum. Moderators: Please keep an eye on efialtis
He is getting paid by a bookmaker, trying to take down competitiors with false accusations. THis is against the forum rules.
He has already done this several times with various sports books and remains busy, evidence is abundantly clear.

If customers of our side have issues or negative experience, they are welcome to post it here.
But do not talk nothing only with intention to slander like efialtis.

[joeperry]

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Good day Timelord2067

If you're going to take a look the way I accepted the participants I based it on first come, first serve basis it is listed on the spreadsheet the way I accepted them. (Started from first 7 Senior member+2 Legendary that wants to be included as Senior member, first 7 Hero Members and first 8 Legendary Members that is fit in the requirements)

I accepted the users since they fit to our requirements, the campaign did not indicate that the higher the merit the higher the chances they would be accepted although it would be logical that they are more constructive than others.

And I can definitely assure that I don't have any relation to any of the participants and with the "previous games" you're saying, below are the list of all the campaign I Managed and handle:

inSure Signature Campaign (Active)
inSure Bounty Campaign (Active)
Ispolink Signature Campaing (Active - Design and created by me but posted using the owner's account and not mine)
Ispolink Bounty Campaign (Active - Design and created by me but posted using the owner's account and not mine)

but feel free to investigate my relationship to the users that I accepted. Here's my stake address (The only address I'm using): Stake Address

Sincerely,
Joe

[Avirunes]

[....]

I don't think so. There are many things that your site-cleobet and 1xbet/1xbit have in common starting from the terms and conditions. One of you has copied each other's TOC but since you are a new sportsbook, I would guess it as you.

So let me give you an overview: either you have plagiarized their TOC (red flag) or you both are same which explains the copied content but makes you related to 1xbet/1xbit. Whichever way you go there is a flag for sure.


Regarding efialtis attacking, there are lot of sportsbook and he doesn't seems like he is attacking any other sportsbook out there. He seems to be pretty focused with 1xbit/1xbet circle of scam sportsbook and he is doing so to protect people out here.

[SyGambler]

These accusations are completely ridiculous.
We have already indicated that we do not have a business relationship with 1xbit / 1xbet or a related construction.
We have rebuilt the betb2b platform with fewer functionalities (no casino and a smaller sports offer).

just curious when a site offers betb2b services who is in charge of payments ? last accusation about kawbet it was clear that they use the same payment system that 1xbet/bit use so is that the case here as well ?
why would you use betb2b in first place while there are other service providers ?

[Lauda]

efialtis alleges: Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe that anyone dealing with Cleobet is at a high risk of losing money, and guests would be well-advised to avoid doing so. This determination is based on concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with, and it is not based on the user's opinions.
Support: Lauda, Avirunes, tyKiwanuka, efialtis
Opposition: DarkStar_

DarkStar?

[DarkStar_]

I opposed the flag for now. It's not entirely clear that they are utilizing 1xBet/betb2b services, and I think it's much more likely that this is an in house solution very very heavily inspired by 1xbet's GUI or some copied interface code.

As far as I'm aware, betb2b offers one in-house probabilities feed (and maybe one 'averaged' odds feed that aggregates odds from other books). The first thing I looked at was Cleobet's implied probabilities, and it doesn't match 1xbet's implied probabilities, a reasonable aggregate line or any other obvious provider (sportsradar). Upon further investigation, they're utilizing a snapshot of bet365 odds at a certain time period, without active movement. There's zero reason to run this way besides lacking a proper odds feed and just scraping odds from a known provider. BitGame.online (shady for different reasons) ran similarly with copying Unibet lines. Other betb2b books such as Melbet might have different odds, but implied probabilities are the same (different vig).

I'm inclined to believe that they are telling the truth about "rebuilding" (copying) the interface of 1xbet. I completely understand efialtis's concerns though; it's the reasonable assumption after seeing new 1xbet clones pop up recently.

[Lauda]

I'm inclined to believe that they are telling the truth about "rebuilding" (copying) the interface of 1xbet. I completely understand efialtis's concerns though; it's the reasonable assumption after seeing new 1xbet clones pop up recently.

Understandable, but this does not make it that much better (rebuilding somebody else's interface). Right?

[DarkStar_]

I'm inclined to believe that they are telling the truth about "rebuilding" (copying) the interface of 1xbet. I completely understand efialtis's concerns though; it's the reasonable assumption after seeing new 1xbet clones pop up recently.

Understandable, but this does not make it that much better (rebuilding somebody else's interface). Right?

What this means for me is that they aren't a proven scam (1xbet has 100% confirmed scammed lots of players - Cleobet has not) and while copying interfaces/code might be less ethical, I haven't seen any flags opened for those cases in the past. For example, no one has flagged the various mixers that copied text from other mixers using that as the reason. I can't support this claim in good faith with the evidence in the thread:

I believe that anyone dealing with Cleobet is at a high risk of losing money

[Lauda]

I'm inclined to believe that they are telling the truth about "rebuilding" (copying) the interface of 1xbet. I completely understand efialtis's concerns though; it's the reasonable assumption after seeing new 1xbet clones pop up recently.

Understandable, but this does not make it that much better (rebuilding somebody else's interface). Right?

What this means for me is that they aren't a proven scam (1xbet has 100% confirmed scammed lots of players - Cleobet has not) and while copying interfaces/code might be less ethical, I haven't seen any flags opened for those cases in the past. For example, no one has flagged the various mixers that copied text from other mixers using that as the reason. I can't support this claim in good faith with the evidence in the thread:

I believe that anyone dealing with Cleobet is at a high risk of losing money

Fair. I have given them a negative rating therefore while this plays out.

[DarkStar_]

To explain what I'm talking about a bit more:
Belarus Premier League match between Shakhtyor Soligorsk and Neman:
Cleobet offers 1.4/4/7.5, which was the bet365 opening line. Bet365 did not have line movement until April 3rd, and they took their snapshot sometime late April 2nd (MST). These are the odds offered by Cleobet, 1xbet and an estimated aggregate line (I have no idea if b2bet actually offers an aggregate and the books they would use if they did) on this match, as of posting. Implied probabilities in brackets.

Book	1	X	2
Cleobet	1.4 (65.08%)	4 (22.78%)	7.5 (12.15%)
1xbet	1.384 (70.45%)	4.94 (19.70%)	9.9 (9.85%)
Estimated Aggregate	1.38 (68.19%)	4.5 (20.91%)	8.64 (10.89%)

The probabilities and odds differ enough to say that Cleobet is not using a b2bet odds feed. A sportsbook using such a feed but with higher margin would still have the same general implied probability (with some rounding errors potentially). You can check all of their other lines and you'll find they all match up to the bet365 line at one point.


I think that Cleobet will end up as a scam, or at the very least, there's going to be lots of complaints against them. bet365 is a very soft book by itself; throw in stale lines, cryptocurrency, a deposit bonus and you've got an arbitrage player or value bettor's new favourite book. Unless Cleobet is really on top of rapidly limiting sharp players, which I think is highly unlikely as I doubt they know what they're doing, they're going to get quite a few players draining them and winning long term. They're definitely going to get into voided bet territory, blocking accounts who 'break' their TOS, cancelled bonuses/withdraws and forced KYC. I have nothing to prove this though, so I'm opposing the flag for now.

You might argue that this reasoning in itself is enough to warrant supporting the flag, but I thought similarly of BitGame.online's sportsbook with soft Unibet lines and odds boosts, and their sportsbook never scammed anyone AFAIK. Maybe I'll be wrong and they'll end up rapidly limiting long term profitable players, while making lots of profit off of recreational players who don't care at all.

[efialtis]

Even if it was true - Cleobet not being connected with that group in any way - Still can´t believe it, sorry but fine, let´s assume they arent...

That would mean: They have blatantly copied another bookmaker´s website in a way you havent seen before. They have copied design, UI, hell, even T&Cs. Worse, they copied the shadiest one there is out there...

Where I live... that´s illegal, criminal - one could have them shut down for that. Yeah, good for them its still wild wild west...

As a conclusion: That alone forces me to flag them and continue asking for flag support - Based on what I am seeing, I just cant advise anyone taking a risk by depositing money on that site.

Additional note: I do understand Darkstar´s position and I personally also hate to do this, especially with new crypto businesses - I just think there is a risk in this case and people shouldnt take it.

[DarkStar_]

Even if it was true - Cleobet not being connected with that group in any way - Still can´t believe it, sorry but fine, let´s assume they arent...

It would be absolutely idiotic to have access to much better and much more profitable odds data and decide to use stale bet365 lines instead. I'm confident that they are not affiliated with them.

Other points are fair - I've decided that I can't actively oppose the flag but I won't support it (yet) due to the reasons mentioned.

[SyGambler]

actually DarkStar_ is right , I took a deeper look across the site and now comparing the odds for available sports
odds are much different between cleo and 1xbet , there is no way that they actually belong to 1xbet ( actually there are possible arbitrage bets between these two sites or bets that have really small -EV )

[Lauda]

odds are much different between cleo and 1xbet , there is no way that they actually belong to 1xbet ( actually there are possible arbitrage bets between these two sites or bets that have really small -EV )

This is false. If I was behind 1xbet and my casino clones were getting caught quickly, this is precisely one of the things that I would do. Obfuscation it is called, look it up. The correct statement is: It is possible.

[tyKiwanuka]

The thing that baffles me: You don't just open a betting site, if you have previously been running a fruit shop. You are likely to have been in and around this realm for some time and know how this industry works, the problems, the risks, the black sheeps.

Now how in the world, do you put up a site that has so many similarities to one of the worst books in this space in terms of reputation ? This makes no sense to me, if you are trying to establish yourself as a legit and trustworthy company. You are just harming your business right from the get go, which could be avoided rather easily.

I am always willing to give new bookmakers the benefit of the doubt, but every one of them, that can be linked to "1xbet group" - even just by the look of it - should be taken with a grain of salt. And the more experienced users/betting people should at least raise their concerns to create awareness for newbies. What each and everyone does with this information is up to them then.

As a general advice, you can always take your chances with new bookmakers, but use small stakes/deposits to begin with. Make regular withdrawals and look for reviews and experiences from fellow punters. This is no holy grail to not get scammed, but a proper way to minimize the risk. And most of the time you will find the same bets/odds in other, maybe more established and trustworthy, bookmakers anyway.

[target]

They are persistent at what they are doing just as they repeatedly do the same website design over and over. Even their domain always have a word "bet" on it.  

Must be frustrating for them after several attempts. Right now, they might just be looking for new steps and design to make a success in promoting a scam casino. Be observant.

[Lauda]

The thing that baffles me: You don't just open a betting site, if you have previously been running a fruit shop. You are likely to have been in and around this realm for some time and know how this industry works, the problems, the risks, the black sheeps.

Now how in the world, do you put up a site that has so many similarities to one of the worst books in this space in terms of reputation ? This makes no sense to me, if you are trying to establish yourself as a legit and trustworthy company. You are just harming your business right from the get go, which could be avoided rather easily.

I am always willing to give new bookmakers the benefit of the doubt, but every one of them, that can be linked to "1xbet group" - even just by the look of it - should be taken with a grain of salt. And the more experienced users/betting people should at least raise their concerns to create awareness for newbies. What each and everyone does with this information is up to them then.

As a general advice, you can always take your chances with new bookmakers, but use small stakes/deposits to begin with. Make regular withdrawals and look for reviews and experiences from fellow punters. This is no holy grail to not get scammed, but a proper way to minimize the risk. And most of the time you will find the same bets/odds in other, maybe more established and trustworthy, bookmakers anyway.

Occam's razor says Cleobet = betb2b (1xbet/1xbit). Apparently many people are not familiar with this concept and prefer speculating in theories with dozens of assumptions rather than those with few.

[SyGambler]

odds are much different between cleo and 1xbet , there is no way that they actually belong to 1xbet ( actually there are possible arbitrage bets between these two sites or bets that have really small -EV )

This is false. If I was behind 1xbet and my casino clones were getting caught quickly, this is precisely one of the things that I would do. Obfuscation it is called, look it up. The correct statement is: It is possible.

I wouldn't create a site with 1xbet design and different odds , it doesn't really make sense for 1xbet . Everything about the site is shady indeed , but can't really see that 1xbet is involved in this case
if 1xbet was trying to change how they look IMO they would change the design and offer some of their betb2b markets with added margin maybe ( cleo did the exact opposite here )

at the end I do believe that the site won't last long ( considering that they will honor winners since some of their markets are gold mines ) but really not sure what is the right thing to do with this case

[Lauda]

odds are much different between cleo and 1xbet , there is no way that they actually belong to 1xbet ( actually there are possible arbitrage bets between these two sites or bets that have really small -EV )

This is false. If I was behind 1xbet and my casino clones were getting caught quickly, this is precisely one of the things that I would do. Obfuscation it is called, look it up. The correct statement is: It is possible.

I wouldn't create a site with 1xbet design and different odds , it doesn't really make sense for 1xbet . Everything about the site is shady indeed , but can't really see that 1xbet is involved in this case
if 1xbet was trying to change how they look IMO they would change the design and offer some of their betb2b markets with added margin maybe ( cleo did the exact opposite here )

at the end I do believe that the site won't last long ( considering that they will honor winners since some of their markets are gold mines ) but really not sure what is the right thing to do with this case

Actually if you think about it from a more advanced adversarial perspective, that is exactly one of the tactics that they should deploy. Create an copycat site with obfuscated odds. There are many ways to create a 2-step obfuscation tactic so it gets recognized as "This is too stupid to do as an adversary, so they are not the adversary". My advice is reading up on adversarial tactics, both novice and advanced ones (also especially methods used by agencies).

[Cleobet]

That shady 1xbet/1xbit group is launching new clones as if it was nothing.

Its is clear that you have no expertism about bookmakers, and you do not know at all the technical parts are working.
Look what you have posted, already judging and stating that we belong to the 1xbet group.
And that without even 1 complaint from a customer!

While this is not true. And then you speaking about manners? The reason why we call you a troll is because you are, you posted very negative things about us, without even doing some research.
You also started a topic regarding Kawbet (i can not judge other sportsbooks, but I read players are writing accusations in that topic).
But even before the first accusations start, you already made a topic there.
Seems that you do not like the betb2b websites. For sure you will have lost a lot of money in the past on 1xbet/1xbit probably, and now trying to seek revenge and trying to ruin every platform that looks similar.
You should have be more carefull with your accusations, and doing better research.
I think it is normal to write negative things about a bookmaker, on the moment they are scamming/stealing money, but not only because the layout looks the same.
When customers are scammed by a bookmaker, you have the right to inform the forum about this.
What you ar edoing is just trolling, without any reasons.

[tyKiwanuka]

@Cleobet

Could you tell a bit about your license and company ? I did some googling and found some information about those 5536/JAZ gaming licenses from Curacao:

Curaçao Interactive Licensing N.V. (CIL) #5536/JAZ is a master license holder in Curaçao, meaning it’s eligible to hand out sub-licenses to operators wanting to license themselves in the Curaçao region.

Unfortunately, Curaçao is notoriously secretive in nature – and Curaçao Interactive Licensing N.V. (CIL) #5536/JAZ is no exception. It’s incredibly hard to find out anything about the license holder online, and, at the time of writing it doesn’t even appear as though they have a website!

(...)

There is no official body for taking complaints, and for this reason, it’s vital that players choosing to play at a casino licensed by Curacao Interactive Licensing N.V. (CIL) #5536/JAZ should only play at a site they trust, and that has a dispute resolution service.

It’s actually almost impossible to even find contact details for Curacao Interactive Licensing N.V. (CIL) #5536/JAZ, so if you do have any problems with a casino, you’re really going to struggle to take your complaint anywhere.

Source: https://www.casinomeister.com/gambling-jurisdictions/curacao-master-license-5536-jaz/

Do you know, whom people can contact in case of disputes ?


Your website says the following:


Source: https://cleobet.io/

And then there is Tigergaming:


Source: https://www.tigergaming.com/

This (identical) registration number is from Thot Management BV. What is this company doing for you ? They just gave you a sublicense ?

[LTU_btc]

I'm not 100% convinced that Cleobet and 1xbit arr related. But this story definitely doesn't looks good and I'm not going to use this website, unless they will prove that this accusation is wrong. Cleobet deny accusation, but I see lack of transparency in their answers and there is no facts in their words which would prove that they are legitimate. Copying design, layout, colors and other stuff from 1xbit looks bad, no matter what was reason why they did this.

[Lauda]

I'm not 100% convinced that Cleobet and 1xbit arr related. But this story definitely doesn't looks good and I'm not going to use this website, unless they will prove that this accusation is wrong. Cleobet deny accusation, but I see lack of transparency in their answers and there is no facts in their words which would prove that they are legitimate. Copying design, layout, colors and other stuff from 1xbit looks bad, no matter what was reason why they did this.

Not even their license is proper, what else do you need?

[efialtis]

Have you guys noticed more and more newbie and/or very low rankend users are entering discussions in those ANNs of new bookies?

I am still confident that the flag is justified - not to mention the unprofessional behaviour they are showing...

But... what about all those accounts mentioned previously - still having a hard time figuring this out...

[Lauda]

Have you guys noticed more and more newbie and/or very low rankend users are entering discussions in those ANNs of new bookies?

I am still confident that the flag is justified - not to mention the unprofessional behaviour they are showing...

But... what about all those accounts mentioned previously - still having a hard time figuring this out...

I would assume any new casino that is showing just some red flags (e.g. copied design, or copied ToS) warrants a flag because it is high-risk until proven otherwise.

[efialtis]

Have you guys noticed more and more newbie and/or very low rankend users are entering discussions in those ANNs of new bookies?

I am still confident that the flag is justified - not to mention the unprofessional behaviour they are showing...

But... what about all those accounts mentioned previously - still having a hard time figuring this out...

I would assume any new casino that is showing just some red flags (e.g. copied design, or copied ToS) warrants a flag because it is high-risk until proven otherwise.

Agreed - that´s my standpoint from the very beginning. And after all, we are not talking about some charity organization but a gambling operator...

[Rikafip]

Have you guys noticed more and more newbie and/or very low rankend users are entering discussions in those ANNs of new bookies?

Few low ranked accounts (newbie-Member) that are writing on Cleobet ANN worked on several other threads known for hiring bumping services, so yeah, I think that you are onto something here. Like 2 buddies gsingh and Bitlend that just showed up today to defend Cleobet.

I had found this as a unique sport bet platform. Hope, it will be liked by many sport bet hunters. It also had a bonus program. Quite impressive

I don't know, why the people trying to mistrust this thread with a Newbie accounts.Kindly don't use your alt accounts to make a fake post and ruin this project.

And here they are working side by side on other  ANNs that hired bumping services





Flag supported!

edit: another account that worked with 2 previously  mentioned, vfrcbv91 jumped in to defend Cleobet. Time to add Cleobet on my list of ANN that are using bumping services.

[Cleobet]

Come on guys, if you want to work together trying to take Cleobet.io out, do it less suspicious.
Now it is only visible that this is a coordinated action from efialtis.

I think Cleobet can go into the books for record, people trying to red flag it.. withou even 1 complaint from a customer!

Users on the forum should warn eachother regarding bookmakers, when customers are not get paid or face problems.
Not because the site looks "shady", acoording to the "team" of efialtis. People who are supporting the red flag without any reasons or proof.
It is also quite funny that we have to proof we have no connection to 1xbit. I thought in the society it is normal to give statements with proof, if you accuse something. And not just trolling like efialtis is constantly doing.

efialtis interesm appears to be poker. But when our site was announced he was hitting the F5 button, waiting to slander it.
The ony question arrised:
Which sportsbook has hired efialtis to slander cleobet.io, or is he get screwed by 1xbit and seeking for revenge without doing any research.

I also want to mention that efialtis has no idea where he is talking about.

Some example:

KawBet.com definitely belongs to the 1xbet/1xbit group - 100%, not 95% but 100%!

There is no such thing as "1xbet/1xbit group". Those sites are hiring the platform from white labeled company Betb2b.
But I guess it was even to hard for efialtis to research this.

I understand that Kawbet has a ruined reputation ( I do not judge of this is justified). But at least it was based on negative experiences from users, who claimed not to get baid, or accounts that were closed.
Then it is justified to write something.

Cleobet.io; 0 complaints from customers and 1 troll constantly rolling.
And a red flag? LOL

[Lauda]

Come on guys, if you want to work together trying to take Cleobet.io out, do it less suspicious.
Now it is only visible that this is a coordinated action from efialtis.

You have it all figured out. Big brain.

[efialtis]

Come on guys, if you want to work together trying to take Cleobet.io out, do it less suspicious.
Now it is only visible that this is a coordinated action from efialtis.

You have it all figured out. Big brain.

He definitely has! When it comes to me, well, my life goal achieved --> "taking out" cleobet as they say... coordinated action! 

@Cleobet I wont bother responding any longer - several questions still unanswered and you keep insulting me - not that I care - says a lot though.

[Jeremy Franklin]

I support this flag. This case looks highly suspicious. We don't need more people falling for this bullsh*t.

[tyKiwanuka]

There is no such thing as "1xbet/1xbit group". Those sites are hiring the platform from white labeled company Betb2b.

This pic gives a different impression ("by 1xBet"):


Source: https://www.sbcnews.co.uk/sportsbook/2019/02/19/betb2b-brands-pass-1-million-daily-players/

And in the article it says:

BetB2B, a partner brand of 1xBet,(...)

Source: https://www.sbcnews.co.uk/sportsbook/2019/02/19/betb2b-brands-pass-1-million-daily-players/

Then you have this alarming statement:

All sites such as 1xbit / 1xbet / melbet and now also kawbet are white label platforms. The underlying software is provided by the company BETB2B.
(...)
But the real problem is that withdrawals in this case have to be approved by Kawbet and BETb2b. If one of the sides does not approve your withdrawal, then you can see goodbye to your money.

And Kawbet confirmed that they are not in sole control of addresses (or at least the bitshares address):

(...)
On the same bitshares address, this software is provided by betb2b which also handles other related sites.  But it doesn’t mean that these sites have the same operators.

@Cleobet

It will be very hard for you and take a long time to prove your legitimacy (if you are), since all bookmakers/casinos face scam accusations on a regular basis. But you digged yourself a hole right from the start and you have to admit that everything points to your company/site being connected to 1xBet group in whatever way in the end.

And I am still waiting for some statement about that license/company thing, if possible If there is nothing to hide, you could just tell, how these Curacao licenses work and what role Thot Management BV is playing in this construct.

[Cleobet]

Starting my own investigation. I find something really interesting. I will continue this investigation for sure, to proof

Hi, do you have account for sale ?

Can you ask @Rikafip pm me ? ! I cant send them private message ..(

Both Legendary accounts are banned.     Use escrow.

Ooops....


As can been seen, user Rikafip is trying to camouflage it (but not really on a smart way).
He is in public now making requests for buying accounts on this forum.

And he suddenly received merits from user efialtis. Merits for what?
I am sure efialtis is using more accounts on the forum (or working together with other people), by using more accounts.
efialtis and Rikafip are the same. And it would not surprise me if he owns dozens of other accounts!


And guess what:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5218615.msg54148869#msg54148869

Rikafip even is selling accounts in this topic!

@Accountsbtalk selling Full Member and Legendary accounts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5218614.msg53108824;boardseen#new
Archive  https://archive.md/5Fy2A

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5218525.msg53634486#msg53634486
Archive  https://archive.ph/ahpXl

I have 2 Bitcointalk accounts for sale. Both accounts are with neutral trust. Never banned or ever requested a loan. Only english posts.
Accounts are active and comes with the registered email address. They are both clean and good.

Full member
Posts: 1304
Activity: 534
Merit: 141
Registered: 2017
Price: 0.01 BTC


Legendary
Posts: 1102
Activity: 1102
Merit: 1028
Registered: 2015
Price: 0.02 BTC

Very interesting.. Rikafip  a person who is trading in accounts on bitcointalk, suddenly merited by by efialtis in this topic.
It would be better to start a topic around this "shady" business, than to try taking down a new sportsbook with no complaining customers.

[Cleobet]

UPDATE:


tyKiwanuka is also controlled by efialtis.

You do not have to be a big expert to compare the way of writing/spelling for these 2 accounts.
And also wear the same avatar..

Current list:
efialtis, tyKiwanuka, Rikafip, Lauda are the same person. (or working together)
Jeremy Franklin is a prospective here.
And for sure there are more names linked to this person.

I think I will investigate some more and start a Topic about tis.
This way of low rated/unfundemental coorindated actions must be stopped.

To be continued for sure!

The next one who is defending efialtis, will be added on the list for sure.

[Rikafip]

Starting my own investigation. I find something really interesting. I will continue this investigation for sure, to proof

@Lauda quote really fits here

You have it all figured out. Big brain.

Take a deep breath and check again the post you just quoted. Pay attention to the archived post.

[Cleobet]

I think the only one who can use a deep breath now is you..
Trading in Bitcointalk accounts. And now suddenly in this topic.
You are finished.

@Accountsbtalk selling Full Member and Legendary accounts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5218614.msg53108824;boardseen#new
Archive  https://archive.md/5Fy2A

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5218525.msg53634486#msg53634486
Archive  https://archive.ph/ahpXl

I have 2 Bitcointalk accounts for sale. Both accounts are with neutral trust. Never banned or ever requested a loan. Only english posts.
Accounts are active and comes with the registered email address. They are both clean and good.

Full member
Posts: 1304
Activity: 534
Merit: 141
Registered: 2017
Price: 0.01 BTC


Legendary
Posts: 1102
Activity: 1102
Merit: 1028
Registered: 2015
Price: 0.02 BTC

[Rikafip]

I think the only one who can use a deep breath now is you..
Trading in Bitcointalk accounts. And now suddenly in this topic.
You are finished.

As i suspected, you didn't get the point of the post you just quoted, so i guess i have to explain it to you: I am the one who reported and tagged @Accountsbtalk for advertising the account sale, I am not the one selling those accounts. If you weren't that lazy and hasty, you would see archived post in that thread i created https://archive.ph/ahpXl .  Check @Accountsbtalk trust feedback, and see who tagged him back on January 18th.

Do you understand now?

[LTU_btc]

I'm not 100% convinced that Cleobet and 1xbit arr related. But this story definitely doesn't looks good and I'm not going to use this website, unless they will prove that this accusation is wrong. Cleobet deny accusation, but I see lack of transparency in their answers and there is no facts in their words which would prove that they are legitimate. Copying design, layout, colors and other stuff from 1xbit looks bad, no matter what was reason why they did this.

Not even their license is proper, what else do you need?

So, I don't say that they are legitimate or something. But I don't know much about licenses of gambling websites, so, what's exactly wrong with their license?
@Cleobet, your attack against @Rikafip looks really ridiculous and you showed that you don't understand how this forum works. And even if it would be true what you said, it has no relation with this topic.

[Cleobet]

efialtis alleges: Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe that anyone dealing with Cleobet is at a high risk of losing money, and guests would be well-advised to avoid doing so. This determination is based on concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with, and it is not based on the user's opinions.
Support: Lauda, Avirunes, tyKiwanuka, efialtis


What a joke!
It is obvioous for me that Lauda,  tyKiwanuka, and efialtis are all the same person. I can not judge now about Avirunes, but it would not surprise to me if he is in this complot as well.
You do not have to be an expert for that.
There is a big difference between the other posts, who are sharing their opinions with normal statements, which I am open for feedback.
But this troll efialtis has a team of workers around him, or he controls them by himself.

Can anbody tell me it is allowed to post a topic where I want ti hire people who can investigate this pattern for me, and investigating all the connections between all the accounts that are used from efialtis?
I will pay for this of course. I respect the privacy, so if somebody wants to start this investigation; I will not publish any names.

I do not know the bitcointalk forum so good; that is correct.
But what I do know is that there are shady games played here, and it is organised.

Bookmakers who do not pay out, receive complaints that users accounts are blocked.. All no problem, no red flag or yellow flag or whatever.
Simply hired an army to push the messages away.
But when a new sportsbook comes here, that shows some similraties with other bookmakers, it must be red flagged. And warned about it from the moderators.
In what world do we live?

If somebody is willing to start an investigating against efialtis and his ALT accounts, please PM me. I am sure we will agree on the price.

[marlboroza]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5218615.msg54148869#msg54148869

Rikafip even is selling accounts in this topic!

I think you might want to visit your ophthalmologist.

efialtis, tyKiwanuka, Rikafip, Lauda are the same person. (or working together)

I am going to add efialtis, tyKiwanuka and Rikafip to list of my alt accounts.
If you are not able to read posts and you are jumping to conclusion like you are doing in this topic, I wouldn't go near your service, you seem very unprofessional and I don't know what can happen to funds if someone make deposit and face certain issue. Rants from you? Random accusations?

Respond to this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237723.msg54161745#msg54161745.

[Harkorede]

snip.

Not everyone is convinced that your platform is associated with 1xbet and co, but having almost the same design is a big red flagged. However, you're choosing to fight the wrong battle, efialtis and others are just trying to protect the forum users and they have absolutely nothing to gain from tarnishing your image, so imo, your major priority should be trying to prove them wrong about any association with 1xbet, It might take a while but these decisions do change with time and Best Change is a recent proof to that. As far this forum is concerned, 1xbet is the Yobit of gambling industries.

[Lauda]

I'm not 100% convinced that Cleobet and 1xbit arr related. But this story definitely doesn't looks good and I'm not going to use this website, unless they will prove that this accusation is wrong. Cleobet deny accusation, but I see lack of transparency in their answers and there is no facts in their words which would prove that they are legitimate. Copying design, layout, colors and other stuff from 1xbit looks bad, no matter what was reason why they did this.

Not even their license is proper, what else do you need?

So, I don't say that they are legitimate or something. But I don't know much about licenses of gambling websites, so, what's exactly wrong with their license?

Read the thread from the beginning to end, including all pictures. The license number listed is not theirs. Until corrected, you can assume their license does not exist.

I think you might want to visit your ophthalmologist.

efialtis, tyKiwanuka, Rikafip, Lauda are the same person. (or working together)

I am going to add efialtis, tyKiwanuka and Rikafip to list of my alt accounts.

Hello me, and hello to other mes too!

[marlboroza]

Hello me, and hello to other mes too!

Hello theymos!

So no response from Cleobet and they were online, I guess this is their final:

Q: "What's that with your gambling licence?"
A: "You are all alt accounts! You are selling forum accounts!"

It is just huge deflection and very bad attempt to move topic into different direction, like no one will notice...

[efialtis]

Hello me, and hello to other mes too!

Hello theymos!

So no response from Cleobet and they are online, I guess this is their final:

Q: "What's that with your gambling licence?"
A: "You are all alt accounts! You are selling forum accounts!"

It is just huge deflection and very bad attempt to move topic into different direction, like no one will notice...

Man, I am a troll, freelance sucker from 3. world, hired to destroy bookmaker´s reputation... All figured! 

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Simply hired an army to push the messages away.
But when a new sportsbook comes here, that shows some similraties with other bookmakers, it must be red flagged. And warned about it from the moderators.
In what world do we live?

If somebody is willing to start an investigating against efialtis and his ALT accounts, please PM me. I am sure we will agree on the price.

Can you show some proof that they are hired to tarnish your new sportsbook.

I have been following this thread and i have noticed that you trying to dodge some qtns and then make attacks on some members which is a little shady.

Why are you trying to divert from what is being asked of you?

[TwitchySeal]

The way they've handled themselves in this thread should be enough for anyone to realize that playing on Cleobet would be a bad decision.

[Cleobet]

So since it is undeniable that lauda the scammer lied that the was no instamine with xcoin/dark because he had bags of it to dump on others. Not only did he claim he was there on the launch so he could say there was no instamine (although it was irrefutable and proven) he viciously attacked members that correctly said there was an instamine.

After lauda finish dumping his bags he then admitted there was an instamine scam coin.

He lied and tried to deceive for direct financial gain = scamming  

What does this gobshite alt or pal of lauda the member nullius do as soon as he wakes up from a very long sleep??
He immediately  makes up a reason to red tag the member that busted lauda for being a scammer?? On what grounds did he trust abuse that famous scam hunter??

For having empathy??

Apparently nullius (laudas bitch or alt)  says having empathy = red trust if you  have busted lauda for scamming.

Here is the evidence of Laura scamming. Have a look.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5229739.msg53948198#msg53948198

This a direct lie from lauda to deliberately scam investors into buying into a project under the false premise there was no instamine!!.


Now we see nullius the double standards hypocrite bitch of lauda. Who is supporting lauda and running around looking like a lauda is trying to punish another member for a similar but less serious crime?? This person is not lying like Lauda?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5231181.0


What is theymos going to do about these scammers like lauda who have infiltrated  and entrenched  themselves on the trust system? As if there is not enough evidence of lauda scamming extortion and trust abuse to black list it and his supporters. ??

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213587.0

Imagine how lucky those handful of linux miners that instamined 2 million in the first 24hours are so lucky the reward was HUGE, so lucky no windows miners, so lucky the diff was jammed down super low, so lucky the minting got slashed by 75%.... lol they were VERY lucky. I know you were one of these lucky people.

Really? you and your crystal ball seem rather useful. Buy 50k drk right now then if it's impossible to lose. Price is 950000 Impossible to lose? let's see.

To be fair though the thread is regarding the 2 million instamined drk in the first 24hours. If dark rises to 1 on coinmarket cap or sinks to 100 really does not change the facts presented in the OP regarding the shark like instamine and slashing of the minting.

Personally i consider it to have a lot more dev and community behind it, so although it could be a bubble now about to pop (which i think it is) it could actually be reaching fair price per coin now the minting is going to be so low. Who can say. However it was not a fair POW distibution, it was a captive instamine that was then pumped to a HUGE captive instamine later on. One of the most disgusting displays of outright greed from any coin dev and community.

It may take some time, but there will be a entire crop of drk/anon coins on their way now. Drk is in for some tough times. If you really believe ED is the only coder on this planet that can develop a decent anon coin i think you will see soon that you're very wrong. I see a big correction back to 300000 or less in a few days.

Let's see what happens, but investing now in drk would be VERY risky. I wonder if you are selling right now. If you are smart you will be. I would estimate you have 300k or more DRK yourself. I know you have a lot of hardware and operate linux so you could have way more than that. I bet you're unloading a chunk at this point.


Anyway i no longer really care about drk as i did before, the dev really would have gone through with the airdrop i know it for sure, he took a big risk saying he would go through with it and then being forced by the community to pull out. Let's see what happens. He realised his mistake and tried to make up for it. Sadly it was too late and investors were never going to let that happen, although long term it could have been a smart move.

 I am more against drk setting a bad example to other devs who think they can instamine 12.5% in 24hours with no pools or windows wallets, then decide to cut their minting by 75%. Drk may have got away with it to a degree, other new coins must not be allowed to do so.

Let's see what happens with it, will it rise further or crash down. NOBODY really knows.

There was no instamine. Stop this nonsense. In this case you don't know what instamine is.You could have bought almost 10k DRK back in the day for a single Bitcoin, tell me how much that is worth now?
How would you know what I'm operating? Reading my posts around are you?

LOL, you're spouting rubbish.

Someone could come and take everything away from you anyway, forget DRK and masternodes, it's all pointless, throw yourself off a cliff now mate before it's too late!

Try finding me then. With this IP you'll end up in some 3rd world country probably.
MNs are fun, that's why I'm hosting multiple.

If you really want a useful tip then check out Darkcoin. Have a look at the marketcaps today: 7    Darkcoin   $ 18,135,084   $ 4.23   4,284,401 DRK   $ 1,604,453    +54.70 %

Why invest in a coin that is already up so much?

An insider tip is to get in from the start. Like when drk was 10 cents

I still consider it fairly undervalued, I bought more 1 hour ago. If the media catches this tonight, you will see this growth increase.
Remember when dogecoin spiked, what was that 2000-3000%?

if darkcoin is scam. why people buy and the price is rising?
i still don't get it..

Because it's not a scam.

If it was, it would have been dumped to kingdom come and die 10 times over.

History tells the story... 5 months and growing strong.

It's definitely not a scam. 4,286,653 DRK   isn't 50% of the supply either. Only butthurt people are saying such a thing. How about you find me a coin that has such a strong development (features) like DRK?

I think it proves the opposite that only those in on the instamine are claiming it is not a scam

Please do yourself and drk a favour, keep quiet the storm is blowing over. You constant excuses and justifications for the method of release are doing more harm.

If you really believe coins are best released with no windows qt and no pools. Put a thread up about it and settle it once and for all. See what the rest of the community says about it.

I challenge you to do it now?

ALL COINS SHOULD BE RELEASED WITH NO WINDOWS QT AND NO POOLS. VOTE NOW. POW IS FOR LINUX ONLY FROM NOW ON.

make that your title.

Wrong. You seem to be applying the term scam to everything. Even if it was instamined, which it was not, it still is not a scam. Go look up words definitions.
Yes, average users with minimum knowledge still use windows only. Pools shouldn't be used in any coin IMO.
Complain some more and keep missing out on the money.

Cheers.

Closure or loss of some earnings...hmmmm. No big exchanges will risk it if they try and ban it. It won't have this much volume after the pump is done.

Don't be such an obvious pumper, at least pretend to consider some possible negatives. The fact you believe there was no instamine is the best part.

I'd rather be closed than submit to the foul government. There is no pump going on. We have just started to get the attention of some media, wait for the full impact. There was no instamine, I was there.

Anybody else have trouble withdrawing from crypsty? I've been waiting a bit now, updated to latest client, etc. and nothing.

Nope I withdrew recently DRK and BTC and both transactions have gone through without a problem.

I'm positive that only people who missed out on DRK and/or who are mad for not profiting, say it is a scam. :)

DASH

Instamined scam.

ETC

Original Ethereum.

ETHEREUM

Centralized bailout scam.

LTC

Silver to Bitcoin.

XRP

That's not even a cryptocurrency.

Have u heard about Recoin? i purchased 700$ but planning to do more. what do u think about investment like this?

You are an idiot. Stop investing in shit that nobody uses/wants/needs.

[suchmoon]

~ cryptohunter's wall of text ~

You're determined to make as much of a fool of yourself as possible, aren't you?

Quoting one of the most prolific Bitcointalk trolls in an attempt to attack your opponents is not going to prove that your casino is legitimate, it will just show that your judgement is fundamentally flawed.

[efialtis]

Now that´s hilarious, isn´t it?! 

For the record: We are trying to answer all the questions. But there is a user on the forum with the name efialtis, who is using alt accounts (account "lauda" for example). trying to ruin cleobet as much as possible.
And the worst thing is that he was doing this already before he spoke with us. In the reputations talk there are already topics opened from people who are accusing this user lauda (efialtis).
If you suspect a system is fraud, I think it is normal to talk with a representative of it, and trying to get answers from them. Not just post its scam and try to red flag it.

If he had suspicions against cleobet, and he asked us to answer some questions, then he could decide to flag it or not.
But what he did was just trolling, trying to take down cleobet without conversating any.

Of course we can not fight against this kind of fraud, since he is using 6-7 accounts in cleobet related topics, all written in the same style with the same negative words every message.

People have the right to ask questions, criticise, and yes the comparison to 1xbet website is justified from the point of view from the user.
But as we explained, we have rebuilt this website, with less options, less sports and not even a casino.
Do you really think that if we hire the Betb2b platform with tons of sports, we would minimize the sports and disable the Casino?

If people want to ask us questions, please do so and we will try to respond on any.
The situation right now is that we are flagged without any reasons, only because efialtis is using alt accounts who give fraud merits.
The ony thing we from Cleobet really want to know is why efialtis is trying to take us down.

We have no issues or problems with customers, and ony basedon our layout we got flagged.
Sorry for my words, but this is ridiculous.

We will answer all questions, but we will not start the conversation with efialtis or one of his alt accounts, since he shows only disrespect and has no manners.
I am also curious which sportbook has hired him. I read a post that Lauda was hired by an onine casino already, but I will not mention any names here.

[Cleobet]

It is only a matter of time before your alt accounts are attacking me here as well again..
So here we go again..

efialtis with your alt accounts, com in this topic and defend  efialtis and attack cleobet! 
I will count the number of alt accounts.

[AlexSimion]

It is only a matter of time before your alt accounts are attacking me here as well again..
So here we go again..

efialtis with your alt accounts, com in this topic and defend  efialtis and attack cleobet! 
I will count the number of alt accounts.

Maybe instead of practicing your counting skills you should practice answering to the concerns that multiple people pointed out .  And an argument other then "you're an account of efialtis" would be appreciated .

[bullrun2024bro]

I just wanted to point out, that one of the Cleobet shill-accounts created a self-moderated topic in the gambling section to keep promoting their shady betting site:

Cleobet.io betting limits posted by kezian90

I posted this today and my post obviously got deleted by kezian90 (all critical posts have obviously been deleted):



Since the only purpose of such a thread is to trick more inexperienced users into playing at Cleobet, shouldn't the creator of the thread also be tagged? In my opinion it is highly problematic if tagged users just create new accounts to keep promoting their shady websites. What do you guys think? What's the policy on such a behaviour?


User: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2790668
Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5238661.0
Archive: http://archive.is/wip/38dzJ

[efialtis]

I just wanted to point out that one of the Cleobet shill-accounts created a self-moderated topic in the gambling section to keep promoting their shady betting site:

Cleobet.io betting limits posted by kezian90

I posted this today and my post obviously got deleted by kezian90:



Since the only purpose of such a thread is to trick more inexperienced users into playing at Cleobet, shouldn't the creator of the thread also be tagged? In my opinion it is highly problematic if tagged users just create new accounts to keep promoting their shady websites. What do you guys think? What's the policy on such a behaviour?


User: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2790668
Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5238661.0
Archive: http://archive.is/wip/38dzJ

Well, what a surprise... not!  I also posted in the thread a few minutes ago and my post was deleted almost instantly. Cleobet guys are obviously desperate...

[marlboroza]

@Cleobet, you have made 2 replies, one is about lauda and the other one is about efialtis, these replies are irrelevant but what is relevant here is that you didn't say a word about this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237723.msg54161745#msg54161745, which is subject of this discussion btw. It is very serious scam accusation against your gambling service, and, as you are giving your best to avoid this statement and question, I have no other option than to support this flag.

[acroman08]

@Cleobet, you have made 2 replies, one is about lauda and the other one is about efialtis, these replies are irrelevant but what is relevant here is that you didn't say a word about this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237723.msg54161745#msg54161745, which is subject of this discussion btw. It is very serious scam accusation against your gambling service, and, as you are giving your best to avoid this statement and question, I have no other option than to support this flag.

to be honest, the way their representative handle the situation is similar to how the representative of KawBet handled the accusation to them(I am not saying that they are connected). instead of clearing their name and providing proof, they are attacking the members with valid concerns. I wouldn't be surprised if the gambling site will just die down just like KawBet.

[LTU_btc]

So, @Cleobet, where are you? Did you already gave up after failed attempts to defend your service. Wouldn't be durprised if they are working on a new project which will appear on Bitcointalk soon...

Lauda is a scammer and worker for sure, and contolled by efialtis.
efialtis is controlling other accounts as well. When you are in discussion with him, suddenly 7-8 other accounts are coming in, defending this troll (or it is him or his team).

Damn, @efialtis, you're really powerful here. You're in Bitcointalk for less than a year, but you already control Lauda's account. Tell us secret how you did this?

[efialtis]

So, @Cleobet, where are you? Did you already gave up after failed attempts to defend your service. Wouldn't be durprised if they are working on a new project which will appear on Bitcointalk soon...

Lauda is a scammer and worker for sure, and contolled by efialtis.
efialtis is controlling other accounts as well. When you are in discussion with him, suddenly 7-8 other accounts are coming in, defending this troll (or it is him or his team).

Damn, @efialtis, you're really powerful here. You're in Bitcointalk for less than a year, but you already control Lauda's account. Tell us secret how you did this?

Knew how...

On topic: The way they behaved and the fact they have already "disappeared" says a lot - thats not the way a serious, new business would act when launching their product...

[efialtis]

I just wanted to point out, that one of the Cleobet shill-accounts created a self-moderated topic in the gambling section to keep promoting their shady betting site:

Cleobet.io betting limits posted by kezian90

I posted this today and my post obviously got deleted by kezian90 (all critical posts have obviously been deleted):



Since the only purpose of such a thread is to trick more inexperienced users into playing at Cleobet, shouldn't the creator of the thread also be tagged? In my opinion it is highly problematic if tagged users just create new accounts to keep promoting their shady websites. What do you guys think? What's the policy on such a behaviour?


User: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2790668
Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5238661.0
Archive: http://archive.is/wip/38dzJ

Okay, that guy is now spamming my threads claiming I scammed him... lol  

user efialtis is a scammer and cheater.
Do not do any business with this clown. He stole 2.5k from me!
He is manipulating with more accounts with conspiracy!
This guy is also hired to manipulate people together with his 10 alt accounts.
Take this clown down!!
I will not rest before I find this clown and get my 2.5 k back

SCAM

Time for tagging him?

Addition info: They end their signature campaign, thats some good news:

Payment for the first week is now sent. Txid: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/e3d8c6e1993519acad06727826ea94b5d677608cf6c7eaf61ee8fdf08d890d98

Thank you!

Payment sent!

I would like to announce that the project might not able to continue the campaign anymore due to some conflicts. I hope you understand.
Thank you for joining the campaign, you can now remove your signatures and avatars!

Keep safe and stay home.

Joe

[tyKiwanuka]

Okay, that guy is now spamming my threads claiming I scammed him... lol  

user efialtis is a scammer and cheater.
Do not do any business with this clown. He stole 2.5k from me!
He is manipulating with more accounts with conspiracy!
This guy is also hired to manipulate people together with his 10 alt accounts.
Take this clown down!!
I will not rest before I find this clown and get my 2.5 k back

SCAM

Kind of strange that kezian90 is making these accusations, when he looked to have no connection with Cleobet judging by this thread.


There seems to be some connection between kezian90 and Code777, or at least plagiarism:

Anybody tried Cleobet.io so far? I noticed that their limits are pretty high when you want to place a bet, but the question is if they will also cover this when you won?
I deposited only 10 mbtc to test it, so can not really judge it.

Anybody any experience? before I decide to deposit bigger I want to make sure they can Payout.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5239196

Had to make a screenshot, since the topic is locked. Code777 often opens topics asking about experience about XY and then locks it immediately - doesn't seem to be too keen on getting answers to his questions

Here is a topic about Paysera, that is locked as well by him, without any responses. And looking at this post, he does not seem to be a newbie with Paysera:


Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237821


Not sure, what this is about, it just came to my attention.

[Lauda]

Time for tagging him?

Yes. Long overdue actually.

[LTU_btc]

They got some more complaints and questions that they failed to answer, and guess what - they just looked their ANN thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237705.60
So, if you can't respond to accusations, putting head into sand and ignoring everything is best option now...

[tyKiwanuka]

They got some more complaints and questions that they failed to answer, and guess what - they just looked their ANN thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237705.60

They did this a few times already in the last days/weeks. The same "tactic" is used by Malubit from time to time and there is some issue going on with them too. Asking for an additional deposit to locate a previous deposit sounds very shady and Malubit is also talking about "our payment processor" which rings a bell for me regarding these 1xbet clones and how withdrawals are processed/released there.

[efialtis]

They got some more complaints and questions that they failed to answer, and guess what - they just looked their ANN thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237705.60

They did this a few times already in the last days/weeks. The same "tactic" is used by Malubit from time to time and there is some issue going on with them too. Asking for an additional deposit to locate a previous deposit sounds very shady and Malubit is also talking about "our payment processor" which rings a bell for me regarding these 1xbet clones and how withdrawals are processed/released there.

Indeed and I am glad we raised all these flags right away - honestly, no mercy for that group and anyone working with them...

[GazetaBitcoin]

While this may not be related, I have some suspicion about an account I encountered recently, Cleoex.

The names are similar and the registration dates are also closed: Cleoex registered on April 5th, 2020, while Cleobet registered on March26th, 2020. The names similarity is not just the "Cleo" part, but also the second part of the name - the one saying something about the account.

For example, Cleobet indicates a betting platform. Cleoex indicates an exchange. However, it is notable that both accounts didn't use a capital letter for the second part of the name: "bet" (not "Bet) and "ex" (not "Ex").

I encountered Cleoex in a Romanian merit giveaway topic I have on the Romanian board. What drew my attention was the fact that Cleoex wrote in the giveaway directly that he / she needs a merit for posting images, although the giveaway rules were clearly addressing constructive posts (and not merited) only. Begging for merits. Obviously, I denied the request.

Well now I see that Cleobet bought a Copper Membership, this making me think there may be no connection between the accounts. However, seeing now this topic, it made me raise this question.

[radex90]

and they are done, went offline

[LTU_btc]

and they are done, went offline

Yeah, I can't access their website anymore. At first I thought it's good that they are gone, but then I realized that they are probably with all money thst users had deposited to their website. Cleobet didn't gained much popularity in short time, so I hope it's very big money. But still, it's scam and they have proven that all accusations against them were true.

[efialtis]

Christ... what can you say about such a business? Almost speechless to be honest... goes to show how those scammers are trying everything for the quick buck... and how quickly and easily they disappear... Anyway, nobody will regret their exit, I just hope people noticed our warning and didnt play there. 

[TwitchySeal]

and they are done, went offline

Yeah, I can't access their website anymore. At first I thought it's good that they are gone, but then I realized that they are probably with all money thst users had deposited to their website. Cleobet didn't gained much popularity in short time, so I hope it's very big money. But still, it's scam and they have proven that all accusations against them were true.

If they actually killed the site, congrats guys - high fives all around.

[tyKiwanuka]

Code777 often opens topics asking about experience about XY and then locks it immediately - doesn't seem to be too keen on getting answers to his questions

Here is a topic about Paysera, that is locked as well by him, without any responses. And looking at this post, he does not seem to be a newbie with Paysera:


Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237821

Code777 just opened another topic about paysera and immediately locking it afterwards, not looking for any answers to his questions again: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5242096

[efialtis]

Code777 often opens topics asking about experience about XY and then locks it immediately - doesn't seem to be too keen on getting answers to his questions

Here is a topic about Paysera, that is locked as well by him, without any responses. And looking at this post, he does not seem to be a newbie with Paysera:


Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237821

Code777 just opened another topic about paysera and immediately locking it afterwards, not looking for any answers to his questions again: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5242096

We should tag tha guy tbh... There is no point in doing what he does... except for getting people to click those links, while not allowing anyone to comment and even deleting those if neeed. Man I am starting to feel like forum police and I dont like that...

[Harkorede]

Code777 often opens topics asking about experience about XY and then locks it immediately - doesn't seem to be too keen on getting answers to his questions

Here is a topic about Paysera, that is locked as well by him, without any responses. And looking at this post, he does not seem to be a newbie with Paysera:


Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237821

Code777 just opened another topic about paysera and immediately locking it afterwards, not looking for any answers to his questions again: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5242096

We should tag tha guy tbh... There is no point in doing what he does... except for getting people to click those links, while not allowing anyone to comment and even deleting those if neeed. Man I am starting to feel like forum police and I dont like that...

I saw that thread today (for the first time), I didn't notice the earlier post by tyKiwanuka, I knew it was suspicious due to being a self moderated and locked, so I opened the link (in a private new tab) and it redirected to https://sportsbet.io/casino I checked tried other link he had posted and it was all redirecting to the same page. I tried checking the url to see if there was some sort of affiliate or referral links, but none. I already reported him to the mods, though.

EDIT:Here is checking properly the url firstly redirects to tinyurl link which then redirects to  https://sportsbet.io/casino?refAff[source]=e6fa8cf6ac&refAff[affiliate_id]=2554&refAff[tracker_id]=2755&refAff[creative_id]=1297&refAff[zone_id]=

[efialtis]

Code777 often opens topics asking about experience about XY and then locks it immediately - doesn't seem to be too keen on getting answers to his questions

Here is a topic about Paysera, that is locked as well by him, without any responses. And looking at this post, he does not seem to be a newbie with Paysera:


Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237821

Code777 just opened another topic about paysera and immediately locking it afterwards, not looking for any answers to his questions again: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5242096

We should tag tha guy tbh... There is no point in doing what he does... except for getting people to click those links, while not allowing anyone to comment and even deleting those if neeed. Man I am starting to feel like forum police and I dont like that...

I saw that thread today (for the first time), I didn't notice the earlier post by tyKiwanuka, I knew it was suspicious due to being a self moderated and locked, so I opened the link (in a private new tab) and it redirected to https://sportsbet.io/casino I checked tried other link he had posted and it was all redirecting to the same page. I tried checking the url to see if there was some sort of affiliate or referral links, but none. I already reported him to the mods, though.

EDIT:Here is checking properly the url firstly redirects to tinyurl link which then redirects to  https://sportsbet.io/casino?refAff[source]=e6fa8cf6ac&refAff[affiliate_id]=2554&refAff[tracker_id]=2755&refAff[creative_id]=1297&refAff[zone_id]=

Just saw that, too - it is indeed an affiliate link. I will forward this to the sportsbet guys so they suspend the account, hopefully...

[freenow]

is any 1xbet.com clone that not have problem to withdrawl and not scamm please??

[Bitcoin_Arena]

is any 1xbet.com clone that not have problem to withdrawl and not scamm please??

Wouldn't it be wise to just avoid all 1xbet or 1xbit affiliated and sister casinos. All that have been discovered are shady and were never created for good intentions. Their aim was only one, widen the reach and scam as many victims as possible.
So instead of looking for the scam site's affiliates, Just head over to the gambling section and look for trustworthy casinos 

[wildan88]

is any 1xbet.com clone that not have problem to withdrawl and not scamm please??

Much has been said and written about it, but in the end there is 1 company that is responsible for the software; and that is BETb2b. www.betb2b.com
In fact, there should be a list of all the sites they manage to notify users. It may be that there are also a few good sites in between, but that chance seems very small to me.
And if as a company you are going to do business with betb2b, you also have to bear the consequences if you know that many of their customers are cheating. I will see if I can make a total list.
It is easy to compare, as all sites have the exact same layout except for a few colors and letters.