Chess online?

[m2017]

Just a quick question about chess I'm aware that there are platforms that combine this game with gambling. My question is, how do we prevent cheaters on this? For example, I play chess online while another computer simulates his moves, and what is the best move to counter it. It's a form of cheating because you can counter it in no time by simply watching the moves. This is really dumb because you are not showing your skills but if the money involves then i think there will be person that will cheat so that he will win

Cheaters will appear not just to win and indulge their sports ego, but to make money in gambling chees by cheating. The usual implementation of chess, like other games on gambling site, will not be enough and additional means of controlling cheaters will be required. Someone has already talked about cameras, and two.

I think that too many difficulties arise with the control of cheaters, which entails additional costs for the organizers and whether chess will attract a large number of players is also in doubt. The answer to why is below.

This is just basing up with my own view on why theres no platforms adopt it.

1. Less demand/interest
2. Boring to look at (Less physical movement etc)
3. Time consuming

So its not surprising that platforms would simply just ignore this one.

Only true chess fans can overcome these 3 obstacles. This will immediately repel beginners and they will better go to play online games like moba or shooters. In general, it seems to me that the number of new chess players is steadily declining with the development of technology and the spread of the Internet. It’s easier for people to play on their phones and scroll through the social media feed. It’s easier for people to play on their phones and scroll through the social media feed.
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[Mahanton]

That's basically why I quit online gaming. There's rarely any online game where you fight other players that will not make you nervous. Even games where you play with others against an AI can be frustrating.

I can feel you when I've read what you've said. It's true that even we're just playing against AI makes me frustrated because the higher it gets. The intelligence and strategy of these AI are becoming better and I admit that I can't defeat the higher levels it's funny to think that these are no real people but programmed in a better way to play for the better chess players. But if someone really wants to get a focus on this one, he can be one of the best and it's a good training ground that we have nothing lose.

Well this has always been one thing that limits us as human beings not being able to beat an artificial intelligence, however when we play online unless it is in a tournament it is something that can frustrate, however there are some pages like the ones I used to play chess21 before, which are very good, they even have a chat where you can interact with your opponent, and since there are several categories in chess, you can play by time, be it 3 minutes, 5 minutes, among others, that is something that each player can define.

Human beings did create AI but we know that there are things which cant be beaten up by human brain which it could really be superior on which people do really able to have a hard time on handling it out.
It do really keeps better and better as years passing by and continue to develop(well its a broad topic in regarding with AI).
As for Chess online then there are sites but hindrance on minding about whose your opponent would be always there whether its a bot or an actual person.
So far we arent seeing any platforms do adopts this one.

[passwordnow]

Just a quick question about chess I'm aware that there are platforms that combine this game with gambling. My question is, how do we prevent cheaters on this? For example, I play chess online while another computer simulates his moves, and what is the best move to counter it. It's a form of cheating because you can counter it in no time by simply watching the moves. This is really dumb because you are not showing your skills but if the money involves then i think there will be person that will cheat so that he will win

AFAIK, there's no way to avoid those opponents that you may face if there's gambling on it. They are there to make money and will cheat to have a sure win and get your money as well.
I guess the best way which was suggested in the last pages is about having a dual cam like making it a requirement for those participants, first is with showing them what it looks like whole body and back shot. But if we're going to analyze it, it can still be cheated and they could just give some recording of them sitting there and does show as actual footage and not suspicious video of them just like what we watch in movies.

[KTChampions]

Human beings did create AI but we know that there are things which cant be beaten up by human brain which it could really be superior on which people do really able to have a hard time on handling it out.
It do really keeps better and better as years passing by and continue to develop(well its a broad topic in regarding with AI).
As for Chess online then there are sites but hindrance on minding about whose your opponent would be always there whether its a bot or an actual person.
So far we arent seeing any platforms do adopts this one.

People have not yet created anything even close to AI. Those AIs that now dominate chess, image recognition, sound recognition, etc. are neural networks i.e. actually large matrices of numbers. There is no consciousness or intelligence here, but only the result of processing large amounts of information.

[DoublerHunter]

Just a quick question about chess I'm aware that there are platforms that combine this game with gambling. My question is, how do we prevent cheaters on this? For example, I play chess online while another computer simulates his moves, and what is the best move to counter it. It's a form of cheating because you can counter it in no time by simply watching the moves. This is really dumb because you are not showing your skills but if the money involves then i think there will be person that will cheat so that he will win

^ That is why you merely see a gambling platform that hosted a chess game that you can against the house, most of the tournament online was held by the on the place and has a real player and you can see them live. I think there is no way to cheat this kind of game, there is a clock to use in order to have a move faster and how can players cheat for that matter. Chess games were a matter of skills, you should always have an advanced move before touching any of those chessmen over the board.

[KennyR]

Human beings did create AI but we know that there are things which cant be beaten up by human brain which it could really be superior on which people do really able to have a hard time on handling it out.
It do really keeps better and better as years passing by and continue to develop(well its a broad topic in regarding with AI).
As for Chess online then there are sites but hindrance on minding about whose your opponent would be always there whether its a bot or an actual person.
So far we arent seeing any platforms do adopts this one.

People have not yet created anything even close to AI. Those AIs that now dominate chess, image recognition, sound recognition, etc. are neural networks i.e. actually large matrices of numbers. There is no consciousness or intelligence here, but only the result of processing large amounts of information.

Agreed, the real play will be against the AI. Large amount of information processing makes the Chess game more of game that doesn't have preset moves. Only after processing the information the move happens. This can be checked, for the same move we do it'll move different coins in different matches. Things could change with time, but incorporating AI is something big it seems.

[Spontaneous]

CHESS WEBSITE

Here is a site where you can sure play chess with another friend that also had an account in it and you can also play with a bot to challenge your self and surely enhance your skill, but this site is only for fun and you can not invest any online money or crypto in it yet and this is the best site I know you can surely play online chess with your friends and other users on that site, well, if you want to have a betting match with another player you can always talk to him a winner takes all gamble and have an escrow to hold on your investments.

  Wow, thanks for this site I'm searching for to long cause I wanted to learn in Chess online  but now it's all answered my question. An many more opportunity and also to win .

[uneng]

Just a quick question about chess I'm aware that there are platforms that combine this game with gambling. My question is, how do we prevent cheaters on this? For example, I play chess online while another computer simulates his moves, and what is the best move to counter it. It's a form of cheating because you can counter it in no time by simply watching the moves. This is really dumb because you are not showing your skills but if the money involves then i think there will be person that will cheat so that he will win

AFAIK, there's no way to avoid those opponents that you may face if there's gambling on it. They are there to make money and will cheat to have a sure win and get your money as well.
I guess the best way which was suggested in the last pages is about having a dual cam like making it a requirement for those participants, first is with showing them what it looks like whole body and back shot. But if we're going to analyze it, it can still be cheated and they could just give some recording of them sitting there and does show as actual footage and not suspicious video of them just like what we watch in movies.

It's hard to prevent cheaters on online chess, at least on short run. But as far as I know, there aren't perfect crimes and sooner or later users using third party services to compete online are going to be busted and have their access to the platforms restricted (at least serious platforms).

I say that because it happened to a very popular youtuber from my country. It was a scandal where he was severely criticized on the internet, being his final attempt to create excuses he wasn't using bots, but having assistance from a "teacher" in real time, instead.

Mechanisms like KYC and forbidding recent created accounts to play competitively could highly weak cheats on this game.

[Wexnident]

It's hard to prevent cheaters on online chess, at least on short run. But as far as I know, there aren't perfect crimes and sooner or later users using third party services to compete online are going to be busted and have their access to the platforms restricted (at least serious platforms).

Well in the first place cheaters are simply people who are actually testing the computational/processing ability of their program (most of the time anw). I mean, I certainly wouldn't waste time trying to run a program that's pretty intensive (since it tries to simulate most of the possible moves) to win an online match. For testing purposes, it may be possible, but I highly doubt people would do it for the money cause after all, if they were able to test something like that, they'd probably be better off doing something else to make money.

Plus in the first place, I don't think betting and chess go hand in hand? It's why most tourneys at the very least are done personally, or with hand cams and whatnot. Maybe betting as in sports betting, but that's about it imo.

[stadus]

Well, if you search chess cheater in the internet then you will be getting a lot of recommendations with the same name "Igors Rausis" and his face is literally everywhere after he caught red handed using a phone and tagged as a disgraced chess grandmaster. I wonder if he's fine with that or is he now depressed after that incident because he can't really take out that tag easily and I bet he won't be living the same again.

I don't know that guy.

But, if he's into chess whole of his life and once used it as his career, there's a big chance that he's depressed from the situation that he made himself in.

Although as per data, he's already retired and maybe he has learned already and living somewhere else. Living not anymore related to chess.

Most case scenario especially in the world of chess or other sports, we cannot know a person unless there's a hype on him or a negative tag and in Igors Rausis's case, he was just some random chess grandmaster that have been famous because of cheating in a chess tournament. Sadly for him, his career in this path have ended in a very not nice way.

Although as per data, he's already retired and maybe he has learned already and living somewhere else. Living not anymore related to chess.

The incident happened way back 2019 and probably after being caught you'll be forced to retire or something like that. Yes, for sure he'll go far away where he ain't much known while trying to make a living.

[Rufsilf]

Although as per data, he's already retired and maybe he has learned already and living somewhere else. Living not anymore related to chess.

The incident happened way back 2019 and probably after being caught you'll be forced to retire or something like that. Yes, for sure he'll go far away where he ain't much known while trying to make a living.

Of course you have no choice but to retire and make another life that is not related in chess because even though he was banned for 6 years, there's no chess tournament would be glad to have him even after the 6 year ban and nobody will trust him again in that game.

But after a year, Igors Rausis came back again to a chess tournament using another name but then again not much later he was revealed and was embarrased again for the second time. Can't blame him though because he already poured his life in the chess.

Banned Latvian former grandmaster Igors Rausis made a comeback to chess on Saturday as he appeared in a tournament in Valka, Latvia. The 59-year-old was playing under an alias and the current situation with mask wearing made it easier to keep a low profile. He was only asked to leave after he had won two games on the lower boards, when a grandmaster complained.

Banned chess cheater makes comeback under alias

[KTChampions]

People have not yet created anything even close to AI. Those AIs that now dominate chess, image recognition, sound recognition, etc. are neural networks i.e. actually large matrices of numbers. There is no consciousness or intelligence here, but only the result of processing large amounts of information.

Agreed, the real play will be against the AI. Large amount of information processing makes the Chess game more of game that doesn't have preset moves. Only after processing the information the move happens. This can be checked, for the same move we do it'll move different coins in different matches. Things could change with time, but incorporating AI is something big it seems.

I doubt that I understood you correctly, but it seems to me that chess is poorly suited for any kind of work with AI. Chess is a game with a finite number of moves and can be completely counted, as happened a long time ago by the way with checkers. It seems to me that real AI will be able to show itself in games where full counting is impossible, for example, in limit poker, bots are already better than people.

[uneng]

It's hard to prevent cheaters on online chess, at least on short run. But as far as I know, there aren't perfect crimes and sooner or later users using third party services to compete online are going to be busted and have their access to the platforms restricted (at least serious platforms).

Well in the first place cheaters are simply people who are actually testing the computational/processing ability of their program (most of the time anw). I mean, I certainly wouldn't waste time trying to run a program that's pretty intensive (since it tries to simulate most of the possible moves) to win an online match. For testing purposes, it may be possible, but I highly doubt people would do it for the money cause after all, if they were able to test something like that, they'd probably be better off doing something else to make money.

Plus in the first place, I don't think betting and chess go hand in hand? It's why most tourneys at the very least are done personally, or with hand cams and whatnot. Maybe betting as in sports betting, but that's about it imo.

There is no problem in using or programming bots for hobby, testing and learning purposes, but it can't be done in competitive matches that will count for increasing players' classification in a global ranking, or to earn money against others during tournaments.

I don't know how often this kind of thing happens, but from humans, of course you can expect cheating anytime and anywhere. Sometimes it's not even for the money, but for the status, glory and fame.

[passwordnow]

AFAIK, there's no way to avoid those opponents that you may face if there's gambling on it. They are there to make money and will cheat to have a sure win and get your money as well.
I guess the best way which was suggested in the last pages is about having a dual cam like making it a requirement for those participants, first is with showing them what it looks like whole body and back shot. But if we're going to analyze it, it can still be cheated and they could just give some recording of them sitting there and does show as actual footage and not suspicious video of them just like what we watch in movies.

It's hard to prevent cheaters on online chess, at least on short run. But as far as I know, there aren't perfect crimes and sooner or later users using third party services to compete online are going to be busted and have their access to the platforms restricted (at least serious platforms).

I say that because it happened to a very popular youtuber from my country. It was a scandal where he was severely criticized on the internet, being his final attempt to create excuses he wasn't using bots, but having assistance from a "teacher" in real time, instead.

Mechanisms like KYC and forbidding recent created accounts to play competitively could highly weak cheats on this game.

For sure there will be ways of avoiding it so that these abusers will never find a loophole that they can take advantage of. About KYC, I think even there is a kyc, they can still abuse and cheat if they have to if it's going to rake them a huge amount of money. These people really have intention to cheat as long as they get a huge profit from that. But it's true that it could lessen the potential cheating but still, there's still ways for them to find it out if they've been born to be as a cheater. Right now, there are no platforms that can guarantee it and there's no casino yet that's interested of putting this up.

[Viscore]

I am not sure if adding a reward or betting that is inclined with financial figures could be a good thing when it comes to chess. As stated by the others, if it is a game set in the computer, then cheating is most likely to happen.  And I think that real chess players and chess enthusiasts would be dismay if matches would end up being rigged due to aggressive desire to win the monetary reward.

This is why there are less platforms about playing chess online as it can be mostly manipulated and controlled by any cheater who wants to take advantage of the bet. Good thing if you only play with your friends online as your money will be safe but if you happen to play with strangers, most likely cheating will be present. IMHO, i always prefer to play chess over the board than to play it online due to some risks.

[Theones]

There is no problem in using or programming bots for hobby, testing and learning purposes, but it can't be done in competitive matches that will count for increasing players' classification in a global ranking, or to earn money against others during tournaments.

I don't know how often this kind of thing happens, but from humans, of course you can expect cheating anytime and anywhere. Sometimes it's not even for the money, but for the status, glory and fame.

Bots are easy way out. Many people are smart to know who uses bots and who has got the followers through organic reach. So its better to get some followers organic way because if your account get popular in coming days. It would be recognized easily if you have used some bots earlier. I think the sites does not support that bot population too.

[CDC AP]

I used to play email chess a long time ago, in fact someone on this forum also I met there before I picked up on bitcoin. It is fun, but you always knew when you were playing against someone using computer software, which is impossible to detect just have a lot of suspicion when you try ask them why they make the move and they cannot explain.

[qwertyup23]

Since there is no separate board for any chess related discussion on tournaments, I would start from here.

Congratulations for Magnus in winning the 2022 Charity Cup Meltwater Champions Chess Tour defeating Duda after two (2) days of playing. Duda was able to retaliate and snatch two wins which forced a tiebreaks but Magnus won the blitz. Props to Duda for defeating the current world champion in 26 moves but Magnus showed on why he is indeed the Chess Magician!



¹photo taken from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR64wh9V3MI

[KTChampions]

I used to play email chess a long time ago, in fact someone on this forum also I met there before I picked up on bitcoin. It is fun, but you always knew when you were playing against someone using computer software, which is impossible to detect just have a lot of suspicion when you try ask them why they make the move and they cannot explain.

This is rather strange since the computer analysis shows the main line after the proposed move and all the ideas are obvious. If a player cannot describe it in words, then he either does not use computer analysis or plays so badly that he does not even understand the meaning of the moves.

[og kush420]

Since there is no separate board for any chess related discussion on tournaments, I would start from here.

Congratulations for Magnus in winning the 2022 Charity Cup Meltwater Champions Chess Tour defeating Duda after two (2) days of playing. Duda was able to retaliate and snatch two wins which forced a tiebreaks but Magnus won the blitz. Props to Duda for defeating the current world champion in 26 moves but Magnus showed on why he is indeed the Chess Magician!



¹photo taken from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR64wh9V3MI

Thank you for sharing the photos. I am going to search these two.
Chess is an amazing game - I really admire and like all those who have interest in chess and those who wins the game. Much appreciated!