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April 30, 2020, 07:17:17 AM
Last edit: April 30, 2020, 12:41:25 PM by nullius
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At the left hand side you see the master key, all adresses are derived from this master key (simply put by adding a counter). Tools like walletexplorer.com are capable of backtracing adresses to their master seed.

Incorrect.  You CANNOT backtrace addresses to a master seed.  Addresses are NOT generated by “simply” adding a counter:  The counter (index i in the standard) is run through HMAC-SHA512, together with data that are not available from blockchain transaction data.  Can you invert HMAC-SHA512?

Please do not spread grossly wrong technical misinformation about BIP 32 Hierarchical Deterministic Wallets.

There are ways that blockchain analysis companies can infer addresses to be part of the same HD wallet.  Those who use proper privacy practices are immune to this.  For example, you will never be able to correlate the addresses in my HD wallets.  BIP 32 itself does not have any privacy problems.



P.S., your coinsutra.com link blocks Tor with 403 Forbidden.  I could not review the article that you linked.  I hope that they are not claiming that HD wallet addresses can be “backtraced”!


Edit—with thanks to Lakai01 for the courteous followup:

Perhaps I should not have come off so harshly.  I am undoubtedly a curmudgeon, after too much experience dealing with people who insist on spreading wrong information.  And here, there are real potential consequences to something that came off as FUD on HD wallets.

If newbies see that, and decide to try to figure out how to run an old-fashioned keypool instead of using an HD wallet, then they are at risk of losing money to disk crashes, etc. due to the practical difficulty of keeping up-to-date backups of a non-HD wallet.  And they still will not have privacy:  From a blockchain analyst’s perspective, there is no difference between an HD wallet, and a wallet of addresses from randomly generated keys.

I actually do not know why the site here is referring to an “HD wallet”.  I have seen other explorer sites that simply refer to correlated addresses as “wallets”.

The common ownership heuristics used to do these correlations are quite reliable, outside unusual scenarios.  For someone juggling over a hundred accounts for the purpose of cheating, it would require considerable expertise to avoid getting busted this way.

For obvious reasons, I am not inclined to provide a “how to not get busted” guide on a thread where a cheater was busted with blockchain evidence.  For safety’s sake, however, I will advise people to keep an HD wallet xpub (extended public key, or what Electrum calls a “master public key”) almost as confidential as a private key.  That was not the issue here.  It’s just good general advice—not only for privacy, but also for security insofar as an xpub together with a single non-hardened child address’ private key can be used to recover the corresponding xpriv, and thus all private keys descending from the same “master key”.  BIP 32 explicitly warns about this, and provides hardened derivations for this exact reason.  BIP 32 hardened child keys do NOT have this issue.  —  Aside, I should also remark that an HD wallet is not necessarily generated from mnemonic seed phrases.  BIP 32 itself generates an HD wallet from a pseudorandom binary seed of 128–512 bits.  A seed phrase can be used to generate the input for BIP 32; there are several schemes for secure seed phrases, including BIP 39 and Electrum’s Seed Version System.  A secure seed phrase must be randomly generated according to such a scheme; it is not the same as a “brainwallet”, which is insecure and should never be used.  </off-topic>

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April 30, 2020, 09:56:01 AM
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Addresses are NOT generated by “simply” adding a counter:  The counter (index i in the standard) is run through HMAC-SHA512, together with data that are not available from blockchain transaction data.  Can you invert HMAC-SHA512?

You are right of course, the addresses are not generated by simply adding 1. I wanted to describe it as high level as possible, that's why I annotated it with "simply put".
That there is more behind it shows the image and the article linked by me. Sorry if this confused anyone.

There are ways that blockchain analysis companies can infer addresses to be part of the same HD wallet.  Those who use proper privacy practices are immune to this.  For example, you will never be able to correlate the addresses in my HD wallets.  BIP 32 itself does not have any privacy problems.
You are right (part #2), thats what I meant with "backtracing". Backtracing in the sense of the tree structure is of course wrong, meaning that under certain circumstances the addresses can be "traced back" to an owner, as it happened here. Thanks for clarification. I am out-of-merits, will merit you as soon as possible.

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April 30, 2020, 01:09:24 PM
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Hey @Bitcoinislife09 and @Kong Hey Pakboy There is no need to be alarmed. Your issue can be resolved anytime through removal of feedback that was left and support for the flag. The List is large and it was probably a slight mistake by @Cheater Detector

Checking your posting histories, I believe both of you are part of the Philippines community and exposing this massive campaign abuse should be good news to you and the Philippines community at large. Polar91 cheated in many contests and campaigns denying most of you any chance of even fair competition.

I cross checked your accounts and there is no reason to believe they are connected to Polar91's farm. The reason @Cheater Detector probably listed you was because;

1. Bitcoinislife09

- A couple of merits from Polar91
- Posted in the FREE RAFFLE- Easter Giveaway. COLDKEY PROTOTYPE thread

This is just 2 out of the 5 parameters i used.

A. The posting style is different from that of Polar91's alts which includes posting gaps and making the first posts in the famous █ ★☆★777Coin★☆★ █ ✔ Full Range of Games ✔ Instant Withdraw ✔ Free mBTC! Thread.

B. Password change patterns are also different according to BPIP.org

C. The bitcoin addresses used by Bitcoinislife09 as early as 2017 (in 2017 polar91 was busy farming his alts by participating in games and rounds contents) are not related to either of the HD wallets that polar91 and his alts Used. I believe if it was Polar91's alt, Bitcoinislife09 would have been busted in the first batch through address connection.

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2. Kong Hey Pakboy

Probably listed by cheator detector because of;
- A couple of merits from Polar91 and a few alts
- Posted in the [GAME CONTEST]--💰🎁PREDICTION PRICE OF BTC in Q4🎁💰-- One of Polar91's favorite threads.

Just like Bitcoinislife09.

A.  The posting style is different from that of Polar91's alts.  No familiar posting gaps and not first first posts were made in the famous █ ★☆★777Coin★☆★ █ ✔ Full Range of Games ✔ Instant Withdraw ✔ Free mBTC! Thread.

B. Password change patterns are also different from Polar91 and alts according to BPIP.org

C. The bitcoin address used by Kong Hey Pakboy as early as 2017 (in 2017 polar91 was busy farming his alts by participating in games and rounds contents) is not related to either of the HD wallets that polar91 and his alts Used.

Just like Bitcoinislife09, Kong Hey Pakboy has earlier applications in campaign such as this that have not been deleted. Polar91 deleted all Signature Campaign applications made by his alts so as to avoid the remaining alts from getting busted. He didn't know that Google cache is there.

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April 30, 2020, 04:07:16 PM
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Hey @Bitcoinislife09 and @Kong Hey Pakboy There is no need to be alarmed. Your issue can be resolved anytime through removal of feedback that was left and support for the flag. The List is large and it was probably a slight mistake by @Cheater Detector
I really thank you sir @Bitcoin_Arena for making all of this clear that i am completely not a part of  Polar91's farm accounts.

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Last edit: April 30, 2020, 05:22:36 PM by Lauda
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April 30, 2020, 06:09:49 PM
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Im waiting for Bitcoin_Arena to verify and support me that im not part of this.
Hey @Bitcoinislife09 and @Kong Hey Pakboy There is no need to be alarmed. Your issue can be resolved anytime through removal of feedback that was left and support for the flag. The List is large and it was probably a slight mistake by @Cheater Detector

Checking your posting histories, I believe both of you are part of the Philippines community and exposing this massive campaign abuse should be good news to you and the Philippines community at large. Polar91 cheated in many contests and campaigns denying most of you any chance of even fair competition.

I cross checked your accounts and there is no reason to believe they are connected to Polar91's farm. The reason @Cheater Detector probably listed you was because;

1. Bitcoinislife09

- A couple of merits from Polar91
- Posted in the FREE RAFFLE- Easter Giveaway. COLDKEY PROTOTYPE thread

This is just 2 out of the 5 parameters i used.

A. The posting style is different from that of Polar91's alts which includes posting gaps and making the first posts in the famous █ ★☆★777Coin★☆★ █ ✔ Full Range of Games ✔ Instant Withdraw ✔ Free mBTC! Thread.

B. Password change patterns are also different according to BPIP.org

C. The bitcoin addresses used by Bitcoinislife09 as early as 2017 (in 2017 polar91 was busy farming his alts by participating in games and rounds contents) are not related to either of the HD wallets that polar91 and his alts Used. I believe if it was Polar91's alt, Bitcoinislife09 would have been busted in the first batch through address connection.

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BTC Address: 38GWXHgtSNWYJVmHKVdHHpSsThrPFEGnjn
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Thank You for making this clear! Great Job exposing this alts.


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May 09, 2020, 11:21:58 AM
Last edit: May 09, 2020, 11:33:49 AM by xLays
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I don't know if i'll actually ban users from your country, but you see how your actions could hurt others living in the same lifestyle as yourself?

Although I'm from the Philippines, I'll be happy if you banned the Philippines from your campaigns you manage. You know why this is too much for the forum (community). Trust me this is not the only person doing the same thing in the Philippines. I know some people doing this thing but I'm too lazy to investigate, to post, and having a hard time constructing sentences (Like this one) LOL. And some of these abusers are already in the DT 2.

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May 09, 2020, 05:07:00 PM
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I don't know if i'll actually ban users from your country, but you see how your actions could hurt others living in the same lifestyle as yourself?

Although I'm from the Philippines, I'll be happy if you banned the Philippines from your campaigns you manage. You know why this is too much for the forum (community). Trust me this is not the only person doing the same thing in the Philippines. I know some people doing this thing but I'm too lazy to investigate, to post, and having a hard time constructing sentences (Like this one) LOL. And some of these abusers are already in the DT 2.

LOL that would be racism to your race. No youre not Philipino.
Realize that most Philipinos speaks english more unlike any others, there are lots of them in this forum. If you compare to Indian section, they are lesser ACCORDING TO ME.   Grin
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May 09, 2020, 11:01:47 PM
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Although I'm from the Philippines, I'll be happy if you banned the Philippines from your campaigns you manage. You know why this is too much for the forum (community). Trust me this is not the only person doing the same thing in the Philippines. I know some people doing this thing but I'm too lazy to investigate, to post, and having a hard time constructing sentences (Like this one) LOL. And some of these abusers are already in the DT 2.
Banning the Philippines community from campaigns would not be a nice thing to do. Despite a few members who have cheated signature campaigns with alts, i believe there are genuine, honest members too and they should not be punished because of a few bad characters.

This forum is a free place and just because we have a few bad individuals doesn't mean every one has ill intentions here.

If you know anyone who's abusing campaigns or DT then bring them forth without fear or favor. There's nothing to be scared about. Even if you present a little evidence, some members will have you dig deeper to prove if the person is doing something wrong.

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My Oh My. I've been here for more than 2 years already and this is the biggest farm of Bitcointalk accounts I've ever seen.

Nah, found some bigger scammers in the past

THE SCAMMER Guinness world record on bitcointalk 1 man 1000 accounts 150k+ usd!
1 man, 100 accounts NEED DT abusing signature/ facebook bounties
19 ACCOUNTS/alts signature abusers + 1460 accounts for airdrop, Need DT
Another huge scammer 612 Accounts 50k$


Same of them were Filipinos too, maybe they are the same guy-organization Huh

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June 08, 2020, 10:33:55 PM
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Although I'm from the Philippines, I'll be happy if you banned the Philippines from your campaigns you manage. You know why this is too much for the forum (community). Trust me this is not the only person doing the same thing in the Philippines. I know some people doing this thing but I'm too lazy to investigate, to post, and having a hard time constructing sentences (Like this one) LOL. And some of these abusers are already in the DT 2.
Banning the Philippines community from campaigns would not be a nice thing to do. Despite a few members who have cheated signature campaigns with alts, i believe there are genuine, honest members too and they should not be punished because of a few bad characters.

This forum is a free place and just because we have a few bad individuals doesn't mean every one has ill intentions here.

If you know anyone who's abusing campaigns or DT then bring them forth without fear or favor. There's nothing to be scared about. Even if you present a little evidence, some members will have you dig deeper to prove if the person is doing something wrong.

There are users some are signature designers, xlays knew it well since he knew. Blackmamba is just one.
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