My Attempt at The Uberman Sleep Schedule

[Jalum]

I like the part where you guys explain why these things can't be done. What I can gather from your answers is that your perception is limited to what you can see 5 feet in front of you.

No, I described exactly what happens in polyphasic sleep when it's done "properly".  You shut down every four hours.  If you try to deviate from this, you pass out.  Doesn't matter if you're in line at Wendy's or driving down the interstate.  You've been robbing your body of real rest for days (weeks?) and it has serious consequences.

[BTCurious]

I don't feel like arguing with people who try to enforce their opinion on others. So I'll just say I support JohnDoe's posts, and am curious to see how alpha will do.

[BitMagic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Kh5ZI1MxzEo

Nap 4...

Missed the update on nap 5-6. Bet he fell asleep again.

[cbeast]

I know I'll be loading up on tryptophan today. I'll definitely need a nap.

[ALPHA.]

Update:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aSDRlw8MPcQ

[BTCurious]

Uhm, I don't think this gradual thing will work… but feel free to try.

[sd]

Uhm, I don't think this gradual thing will work… but feel free to try.

Out of everyone reading this who has actually made any alternate sleep schedule work for over a month?

Anyone?

[BTCurious]

Out of everyone reading this who has actually made any alternate sleep schedule work for over a month?

Anyone?

Me.

[bulanula]

Good luck with this but I don't think you will get very far. Even sleeping 5 hours a night is too little for some.

[Deafboy]

Out of everyone reading this who has actually made any alternate sleep schedule work for over a month?

Since I have started to work on day/night 12 hours long shifts, I feel great and fresh all night but sleepy and sick at day.
When I have free week, My bio-rhythm is scheduled vampire-like naturally.
2 years.

Does it count?

[ALPHA.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt0DFvov8O0

The next step...

[BitMagic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt0DFvov8O0

The next step...

And....?

[Matthew N. Wright]

"my father is genetically..."

mutated?


"he has been able to sleep only 6 hours for a good portion of his life"

Hot damn! He's only slept 6 hours in his lifetime? Put him on youtube instead of you.

[the joint]

You won't be able to keep it up. After about 3 days you're goimg to crash for several hours.

The body needs 2-3 hours of REM sleep just to survive.

It's a fun experiment though, I did it too when I was 17.

Interesting though that those with mood disorders (depression, specifically) actually spend more time in REM sleep than do those without mental illness.  Even more interesting is that studies were done where they woke people up during different stages of sleep to record their dreams, and REM sleep was significantly correlated with more nightmares than earlier stages.

[Matthew N. Wright]

Interesting though that those with mood disorders (depression, specifically) actually spend more time in REM sleep than do those without mental illness.

Seriously? How did they test such a thing lol

Even more interesting is that studies were done where they woke people up during different stages of sleep to record their dreams, and REM sleep was significantly correlated with more nightmares than earlier stages.

Somehow that's not surprising. The deeper in your subconscious mind you go, the less in control you are.

[the joint]

Interesting though that those with mood disorders (depression, specifically) actually spend more time in REM sleep than do those without mental illness.

Seriously? How did they test such a thing lol

Even more interesting is that studies were done where they woke people up during different stages of sleep to record their dreams, and REM sleep was significantly correlated with more nightmares than earlier stages.

Somehow that's not surprising. The deeper in your subconscious mind you go, the less in control you are.

They tested through EEG.  Different stages of sleep are marked by different electrical wave signatures (e.g. delta waves).  It's as simple as timing how long a sleeping individual's brain emits each kind of wave signature.

[Matthew N. Wright]

Interesting though that those with mood disorders (depression, specifically) actually spend more time in REM sleep than do those without mental illness.

Seriously? How did they test such a thing lol

Even more interesting is that studies were done where they woke people up during different stages of sleep to record their dreams, and REM sleep was significantly correlated with more nightmares than earlier stages.

Somehow that's not surprising. The deeper in your subconscious mind you go, the less in control you are.

They tested through EEG.  Different stages of sleep are marked by different electrical wave signatures (e.g. delta waves).  It's as simple as timing how long a sleeping individual's brain emits each kind of wave signature.

Fascinating stuff.

[netrin]

I spent several months in a monastery. We'd eat one meal a day, alternate between sitting and walking meditation, eventually about two hours, up to ten times each. At the end of each lunar month we'd engage in 'determination' which consisted of no sleep for four days. Aside from believing there were multiple entities in my solitary cell, I generally remained sane and healthy.

In my most productive projects, I go through arbitrary work-crash cycles, perhaps 36 hours awake, who knows how long asleep. Though, I can't imagine it working on a schedule. I failed a semester of University trying to sleep less than four hours each night and couldn't separate my own thoughts from the world around me. Stress and lack of sleep are a hellish combination. Isn't that a well documented torture: sleep deprivation through forced standing, flashing lights, and loud dissonant music, until submission?

[BTCurious]

In my most productive projects, I go through arbitrary work-crash cycles, perhaps 36 hours awake, who knows how long asleep. Though, I can't imagine it working on a schedule. I failed a semester of University trying to sleep less than four hours each night and couldn't separate my own thoughts from the world around me. Stress and lack of sleep are a hellish combination. Isn't that a well documented torture: sleep deprivation through forced standing, flashing lights, and loud dissonant music, until submission?

But trying to sleep 4 hours a night and then failing does not mean that something like uberman can't work. Of course, it's notoriously hard to prove a negative, but still…

On an unrelated note, this is mightily interesting:

It was Keith Hearne (1978), of the University of Hull, who first exploited the fact that not all the muscles are paralyzed [during sleep]. In REM sleep the eyes move. So perhaps a lucid dreamer could signal by moving the eyes in a predetermined pattern. Just over ten years ago, lucid dreamer Alan Worsley first managed this is in Hearne's laboratory. He decided to move his eyes left and right eight times in succession whenever he became lucid. Using a polygraph, Hearne could watch the eye movements for sign of the special signal. He found it in the midst of REM sleep. So lucid dreams are real dreams and do occur during REM sleep.

[BitMagic]

Even more interesting is that studies were done where they woke people up during different stages of sleep to record their dreams, and REM sleep was significantly correlated with more nightmares than earlier stages.

Less interesting, considering REM is significantly correlated with more dreams in general .