Cheating or Not?

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Cheating or NOT Cheating?

Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.

Well it all depends on what the terms and conditions of the campaign is. If it's clearly stated that the terms and conditions or any adjustments could be made to the rules of the campaign at any time for a better operation then you can't blame the manager for inputting such requirements as that's been done most times to combat scammers and cheaters wanting to profit from other genuine hunters.

On a general note, I won't call it cheating considering it won't after genuine hunters but since the cheaters must have used multiple account to abuse the campaign they're usually those who get angered more about such development with few users that area security conscious.

[SyndicateLabs]

Cheating or NOT Cheating?

Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.

According to the rules, they can change it whenever they want. So it's not fraud, they can do everything to ensure transparency and safety for everyone participating in their bounty. I used to join a lot of bounty that didn't require KYC, but until the end of the campaign they changed KYC rules and requirements. But that is not so important, just overcome it and get the token

[DabsPoorVersion]

If their rules state that they have the right to change the rules in their own accord then it is not cheating since they have announced it before they even start the campaign. However, as I understand, this KYC is only applicable to receiving or transferring of your reward, if they require you to undergo KYC in an exchange, then this is a different matter.

after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC

[Bonwin]

It depends on the rules that were made from the beginning. Usually projects write "Bounty manager or admin has the right to do anything"
So we cannot blame them if they change the rules in the middle or the end.

You right. But sometimes some bounty hunter dont even care about this rules. If we join campaign we should all the rules so we can anticipate for bad possibility.

There is nothing right in this. The rules should not apply to KYC. This is a very sensitive part of the bounty campaign and should not be altered once stated.
A lot of bounty hunters that have come across this in the past try to avoid such odd situation by asking the bounty manager or ask the project team directly on if there will later be KYC for bounty hunters

Well, sometimes it is inevitable, but I always like it when it is clearly stated that KYC will not be required. With that, I think the participant will be cleared.

[litepool.ru]

If their rules state that they have the right to change the rules in their own accord then it is not cheating since they have announced it before they even start the campaign. However, as I understand, this KYC is only applicable to receiving or transferring of your reward, if they require you to undergo KYC in an exchange, then this is a different matter.

after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC

I don't see anything too special. If they require us to KYC in exchange to receive tokens, it is also a normal request. I also saw TEM bounty before, they asked KYC participants at coinall and then sent a screenshot to be verified. Everything happened quickly and smoothly

[masterrex]

Cheating or NOT Cheating?

Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.

It's true and it was the new norm in the most bounty campaigns today they can easily change the rules that favor's to them without the consideration of its participants for me that was cheating since they don't include it to the written rules, such as the "KYC" requirements because not all participants can provide KYC requirements, like Passport, Drivers license National ID, etc. in that case all of those sweat and effort will be wasted. the consequences are low but, if all the participants were united to a common goal it will surely affect and felt by the team who runs the project. but I believe some bounty campaigns are still honest and committed to their bounty participants.

[OasisDre]

Cheating or NOT Cheating?

Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.

You can avoid this easily, all you need to do is find reputable bounty managers on this forum to start following, this doesn't mean you should join all bounties from the bounty managers, you still need to do better research on the projects first, few bounty hunters never like changing rules after bounty starts, most especially KYC

[kayvie]

If their rules state that they have the right to change the rules in their own accord then it is not cheating since they have announced it before they even start the campaign. However, as I understand, this KYC is only applicable to receiving or transferring of your reward, if they require you to undergo KYC in an exchange, then this is a different matter.

after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC

I don't see anything too special. If they require us to KYC in exchange to receive tokens, it is also a normal request. I also saw TEM bounty before, they asked KYC participants at coinall and then sent a screenshot to be verified. Everything happened quickly and smoothly

Maybe it is normal for you but for some, it is not normal. Most users here do not want to have kyc because we don't have even the slightest idea where they will take the confidentiality of our identity. There are cases that identities were being sold in the black market and that is one of the reasons why some users do not want to have kyc.

[bassbity]

The rules have become common where a manager wants to change the rules at any time to maintain security in the campaign, therefore if we do not violate it is no problem doing what the manager wants then you will receive the token.

[Kasabus]

The rules have become common where a manager wants to change the rules at any time to maintain security in the campaign, therefore if we do not violate it is no problem doing what the manager wants then you will receive the token.

This is normally happening in most of the campaigns today just for additional security measures. We should understand the bounty manager because he has all the right to change the rules either in the middle or at the end of the campaign specially if its included in the rules upon joining it. Cheating only happens if we will not received the said rewards we supposed to have.

[cryptonewbie]

Well, it can not be seen as cheating because they exchange is not owned by the project. Also, if they list on the exchange and send your tokens to your private wallet, you will still need to pass kyc before you can withdraw if you decide to sell your tokens on the same exchange they listed on. So no cheating here. Its just a process that you need to follow.

[South Park]

Cheating or NOT Cheating?

Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.

For the most part most bounties that I have seen have included a rule for a long time that allows them to change any rule whenever they want and that includes KYC policies and even the size of the bounty itself, since that rule is there from the beginning technically you cannot accuse them of cheating at all since you accepted those conditions, however it is an extremely dishonest thing to do as we know that the majority of the members of the forum are against KYC policies and that kind of behaviour is a huge red flag for anyone thinking on investing their time or their money in such project.

[bearexin]

Cheating or NOT Cheating?

Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.

Well, it's cheating in some way, but like others have pointed out here - they usually make it clear that they are likely to change the rules at anytime. In a situation where it wasn't mentioned, then I would say that it's a pure cheating., But there is still nothing they you can do about it, you just have to still cooperate with them as long as you're sure that you're going to be getting paid and the amount you're being paid is worth it.

You can't abandon money that you have worked for a long time, because of KYC and then lose all that money, though in some cases where everything is starting to seem suspicious, you still have to do just that.

[cytpoway121]

Cheating or NOT Cheating?

Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.

Well, in an honest opinion you have not been cheated. But we can say that it is unfair on bounty hunters.
On Most bounty thread, there is a disclaimer that says that bounty terms or rules, are liable to change any time during or after the bounty

Secondly, while you were filling the registration form, theres a quote that asks you to accept terms / condition before enrolling. Once you do that as well, you have accepted any change as regards the bounty.

Hence, do your own research, and find quality projects to promote.

[LbtalkL]

I am neutral about this, bounty hunters have a point and also the manager or the team. Some bounty hunters do not want KYC because they are afraid their data will be stolen and being used for illegal purposes. As an individual, I am not comfortable with KYC too. For bounty managers, they implement KYC to eliminate cheaters and bot accounts. If the project is legit and GPDR compliance I guess both sides benefit in doing KYC.

[forexandcryptoauditor]

Most of the time we see in the general rules section that it's written in the end, " Team has rights to change the rules at any point in time". I think it covers everything. However, we can get it confirmed in main official telegram group about it. Having said so, this is really not good to change the rules once funds are raised or bounty is finished. I think such amendments should be announced earlier and not in the end.

[Twinkledoe]

You have to familiarize yourself with that friend. a few years after ICO, quite a lot of devs really liked to change the rules they made, and I felt that it was a bad decision, because it was not professional. but, you must still follow their conditions. cheating or not, only you can decide.

The OP mentioned about KYC in exchange. So if the exchange that will list the token really requires KYC, then the bounty participant can't do anything about it but comply. But if it will be listed in other exchanges without going through KYC, then maybe just wait, but have no assurance about the price. Because usually they fall hard after few weeks in trading before listing to another exchange. So if the hunter doesn't want to be surprised in the middle of the campaign, just avoid those projects that says they have the right to change the rules anytime. If you do participate, then it is all on you.

[Denongels]

in my opinion it's not a cheat because as far as I know the rules about kyc are very random for now because since 2017/2018 period is over, always kyc is prioritized even if it's a project that is sorry rubbish, I once followed a signature campaign and only got $ 20 from one month working on some bounty and because the requirement to claim reward is kyc I ignored it and now the token is worth nothing.

[thesmallgod]

I believe this is not new and a lot have been discuss here on the forum. Now in as much as the manager have stated at the end of the campaign that the term and condition of the campaign can be changed, I don't see it as scam because sometime dev team might decide to change what have said earlier to suit the project and sometime this is used to reduce the number of token to be allocated to hunters

[palle11]

I'm thinking that the KYC issue that comes up after the bounty is finished can be intentional from the project team either to trap bounty cheaters out but I think KYC should be announced earlier at the beginning of bounty so that it will be a thing of choice.