Cheating or Not?

[bussybuddy]

the most important thing is we must always keep abreast of the development of the bounty we are working on, if the rules change at the end of the campaign the choice is still in your hands, if you think the results are worth it, why not.

Why do people always react when campaigns change rules. Obviously they can change the rules because they are project owners and bounty. They will change the rules based on market and project situations. If we do not agree with the new rules, we may not accept and abandon the project, very simply and easily.

[fulled]

if they do that without agreement, sure they cheating, but as long as i know, in every campaign, bounty manager or core team have right to change rules, and they including it at agreement section in every bounty thread they made. And thats not a new thing in bounty campaign, and its okey for me as long as the project is legit.

[Kaliecious]

if from the beginning the thread is not required KYC written cheating in my opinion. but if there is information the rules can change at any time depending on the team.
this is usually to get rid of fake accounts

[Anonylz]

Cheating or NOT Cheating?

Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.

And if you take your time to read through the bounty page and rules, you will see where it is boldly stated the team have the right to change the rules whenever they feel like it, so when you agree with this terms and participate in the bounty anyways,  there us nothing you can do afterwards when the team decides to change one of the rules,
So in this case, it is either you go ahead and do the kyc or ready to forfeit your reward, it is that simple.

[FairUser]

Cheating or NOT Cheating?

Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.

If you do not accept their requests, you can skip KYC and not receive rewards. I do not understand why you react to KYC, if you only have one account then I believe you will overcome KYC easily. Users of multiple accounts will blame the project for fraud or fraud if they implement KYC at the end of the campaign

[Lhaine]

if they do that without agreement, sure they cheating, but as long as i know, in every campaign, bounty manager or core team have right to change rules, and they including it at agreement section in every bounty thread they made. And thats not a new thing in bounty campaign, and its okey for me as long as the project is legit.

Yes they can change the rules any times as its stated in the Original post when they participated in a campaign. If the manager agree they will not ask for a kyc in the first time you join then thats different things, however since they are able to change rules any time you still required to follow what they change.  Even yoh dont like it, the only option you can do now is whether accept and make the kyc or forget your payment and do not make any kyc.

[isaac_clarke22]

If it wasn't mentioned at first that KYC will be done post-project period, then it would be kinda unfair for people though. Not anyone would risk their identities for a crap exchange that would surely be a wasteland in some other time.
They should be able to know if the exchange that their coins will be listed requires KYC like submitting information to Google Form.
However it is upon the people's responsibilities if they're even awaiting for an announcement or just merely waiting without checking updates, because I believe devs do an update through Telegram.

[Kez1817]

Cheating or NOT Cheating?

Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.

Most of the project now has a rules that the manager has the right to change the rules anytime which we cannot blame them because that is their rules,it's up to you if you join on their project and accept their rules to follow. But in exchange you need to pass their kyc in order you to trade,deposit and withdraw.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Cheating or NOT Cheating?

Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.

I am not surprised at all. It happened to me a few times in 2018, and that was one of the reasons why I decided to quit participating in the bounty campaigns. And sadly, there will be no consequences for doing such scams. At the most, the bounty campaign manager will get a red trust and he will just purchase another Bitcointalk account and carry on with his trade.

[Gopalwu]

It depends on the rules that were made from the beginning. Usually projects write "Bounty manager or admin has the right to do anything"
So we cannot blame them if they change the rules in the middle or the end.

Exactly that clause "Bounty manager or admin has the right to do anything" or change rules has been what they normally use against hunters. I will even prefer it that a project is bodily written that there will be kyc, so we know what we are entering into

[joinfree]

We have experienced similar issues in this forum as well and it's quite heartbreaking when things get this way but you can't say it is a form of cheating because the OP statement might have made it clear that he has the right to change the rule when needed and this only comes to play when there is a sense of cheating.

[bgaf]

Point here is simple. Any changes during the duration of campaigb until it ends is probably stated always on the thread. I know its sucks but thats how the campaign for altcoins since we cant complained about it. But if the campaign ends then upon receiving the rewards they will add suddenly kyc, then thats a foul and needed a verbal agreement. But sometime manager argue with it but most of the time they cant be approved cause mostly the manager is outsourced and cant much complained too cauae they are the one paying him. We can say its a form of cheatinf but does it matter? Its happening everytime here and not new anymore.

[ElmedoRator]

We have experienced similar issues in this forum as well and it's quite heartbreaking when things get this way but you can't say it is a form of cheating because the OP statement might have made it clear that he has the right to change the rule when needed and this only comes to play when there is a sense of cheating.

Yes mate, if the bounty manager changes the rules at the last minute of the bounty then I think he is suspecting fraud and he wants everything to be clearer. I have no idea with KYC, if it is a good project and a good reward then I will go through it quickly.

[cabron]

We have experienced similar issues in this forum as well and it's quite heartbreaking when things get this way but you can't say it is a form of cheating because the OP statement might have made it clear that he has the right to change the rule when needed and this only comes to play when there is a sense of cheating.

There were campaigns doing that also in bitcointalk, I think I was part of one campaign way back. The project didn't succeed though but the data we had have been submitted to them. Who knows what they could to do to the information they got. Its not cheating but they trick you to promote their project yet they do have a find print on their rules that they may change it whenever they like.

[Iyanu14]

Cheating or NOT Cheating?

Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.

The thing is that, in most of the cases, it is what the developers ask the bounty manager to do that will stand.  Initially it may not be part of the rules, but probably when the team see that the project received a lot of attention from the investors, they may decide to introduce KYC, which at times is to get rid of some people who might have been in possession of their token/coin illegally or hunters that with multiple accounts.  In few occasions, the power of KYC might be delegated to the bounty manager who would have included it in the bounty rules in most of the cases.

[poodle63]

Well, this act is cheating or not is debatable but i am sure it is unethical and falls in the category of exploiting the workers so one can say it is agai st the global labor laws and it is like depriving the worker of his due reward after the work has been done.

That can be considered as an unethical act by the developers. I have seen some projects that already made a change at the end of the campaign. As far as i know, if spycee was also doing it but it doesn't put strict verification. The hunters must know about what risk they have faced it. They must deal with any risk in the campaign.

[Dart18]

That is a different rule.
You cannot justify the rule of the ICO just because they listed on exchange which needs a KYC.

Have you already received the coin?
If you did without KYC then there is no cheating that had happened.
Selling those will be your problem if the exchange needs a KYC. You may want to talk to the customer support of whatever exchange is that.

[OrangeII]

That is a different rule.
You cannot justify the rule of the ICO just because they listed on exchange which needs a KYC.

Have you already received the coin?
If you did without KYC then there is no cheating that had happened.
Selling those will be your problem if the exchange needs a KYC. You may want to talk to the customer support of whatever exchange is that.

if it's like you said, I think it does have a different and understandable case. however, there are some projects that sometimes do not mention KYC when it starts, but in the end, they require it. Well, I think that is cheating to attract bounties and investors.

[mu_enrico]

if they do that without agreement, sure they cheating, but as long as i know, in every campaign, bounty manager or core team have right to change rules, and they including it at agreement section in every bounty thread they made. And thats not a new thing in bounty campaign, and its okey for me as long as the project is legit.

Yes they can change the rules any times as its stated in the Original post when they participated in a campaign. If the manager agree they will not ask for a kyc in the first time you join then thats different things, however since they are able to change rules any time you still required to follow what they change.  Even yoh dont like it, the only option you can do now is whether accept and make the kyc or forget your payment and do not make any kyc.

This "dev can do whatever they want if stated on the OP" is not entirely correct. Changing terms and conditions even though it has been stated and agreed don't imply it will be legitimate.

In the real world:

The Court put the situation pretty simply: "The safeway.com agreement did not give Safeway the power to bind its customers to unknown future contract terms, because consumers cannot assent to terms that do not yet exist. A user confronting a contract in which she purports to agree to terms in whatever form they may appear in the future cannot know to what she is are agreeing."

Source: Koepke, 2015

[angrybirdy]

It is clearly not cheating.
In your statement, you have indicated that they do not require the participants who promote the project to have KYC verification but you have also indicated that they told the participants to open an account to the exchange and pass the KYC verification. If they don't own the exchange, it is not cheating since KYC verification will always depend on the exchange if they require it or not, even if the developers said that they do not require it you still have to pass the KYC on that exchange if you want to sell your reward.