Merit isn't everything in bitcointalk!

[hd49728]

Yes, it is right that there are many experienced people here who don't care about merit. And they also don't make pressure to earn some merits. Again it also right that most of the most merited peoples are all experienced and knowledgeable.   

When a user does not care about merits but still keep his good works, he actually becomes a real asset of the forum. He contributes naturally and without demands of merit rewards back. Writing and discussing such ways help poster to make very good posts. Of course, they need to have experience and knowledge as you said. From the knowledge and experience plus no pressure while writing, they can contribute decent good posts with little efforts.

Actually the main motive of merit system is reducing spams in this forum. 

Thanks the system because merit has ruined life of shitposters but help the forum become cleaner and have better quality.

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[posi]

I think earning merit on this forum is pretty easy if people could actually understand and know where they really belong on here, the section they are happy to contribute in (meta, beginners and help etc) while they improve themselves to help others solve their problems on this forum.
Merit will chase after you not you running after getting merits.

[skarais]

Actually the main motive of merit system is reducing spams in this forum.

Agree, the motive has been known since theymos implemented the merit system at the forum on January 24, 2018.

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.

Hope of theymos that I quoted above in my opinion can be interpreted like this.

• For members who do not need merit to move rank up, they are also required to improve the quality of their posts better than before. Although merit will not affect their rankings, but if they make quality posts then they will also get merit. The amount of merit that users naturally receive can be used as a reason to refer to them as users who have contributed well to the forum. I think.
• Beginners and users who still have the potential to move rank up are emphasized to make quality posts so that the merit that will be obtained can help them to move rank up.

As far as I know, the merit system has succeeded in reducing the number of spam posts and preventing spammers from ranking. If beginners and users who still have the potential to rise rankings cant make quality posts, higher rankings will not be possible for them.


OP, as one of the users who have received 300+ merit, I want to know if we have a rating standard to find out posts made solely because they want to get merit and rating standard to find out posts made a natural ?

[bakasabo]

I've experienced one thing about merit - the more you think about merit and do something special to receive it, the far away merit is

When I've registered on the forum, in few days merit system appeared on bitcointalk. At first i felt say, that I wont be able to rank-up as quickly as others (that was the time I was fully in bounties). I continued to use forum as usually: more reading, less posting + bounty. Suddenly I've realised I had 7 merit. 7 merit - just 3 merit away from receiving member rank. I've got them quite quickly and became a Member. Further on I found such exciting game called "find scam project". It was really funny to find out all that lousy paint skills to edit project team picture and easy to find plagiarism (as I've spent some part of my free time doing freelance copy writing/re-writing). When I had free time, practiced my Russian-Englinsh translation skills and boom, I've become a Full Member. I wanted it is so bad just to be able to insert avatars (this is probably from forum childhood, when I envy ranks that wear avatars+signature).

I was not posting on the forum to get merit, merit found me by himself

[seoincorporation]

I think merits don't have to be forced, i have seen some people chasing merits posting lot of articles and sharing hot news, and they get the merits, but i feel like is a forced way. It should be natural. If you want to get merits just be yourself and make some contributions to the forum. That's the right formula.

[skiorf]

If someone join this forum only for enriching knowledge about Bitcoin, Bitcoin transaction, Bitcoin mining, Atlcoin etc then I will say merit is nothing for him. But if someone join this forum for earning money then I will say merit is everything for him. You can see this in Signature campaign.

Your opinion is very true and this is what is happening right now. I don't want to be a hypocrite, but this is indeed the case. Besides learning about the knowledge of Bitcoin, Blockchain and crypto, I joined this forum to make money by working on bounty campaigns or participating in sugnature campaigns.

Merit becomes very important when some signature campaigns require that at least the last merit received in the last 120 days.

[Stedsm]

The best thing told by you @OP.
I believe that people who try to find best sections to earn many merits, who try to bribe high-ranked members or just copy and paste somebody else's content and gain merits are doing nothing but wasting their own account here. You've got an opportunity to be here, between a lot of knowledgeable people and an ability to learn through their experiences, gain them and be one of them one day. Most of the high-ranked members today (who have earned merits on their own) don't focus on merits at all but they just do their best, like what they are best at and then they get merited. I believe you should focus on improving yourself a bit every single day and let the merits come your way itself.

[hd49728]

I believe that people who try to find best sections to earn many merits, who try to bribe high-ranked members or just copy and paste somebody else's content and gain merits are doing nothing but wasting their own account here.

Those types of merit hunters are very easily to detect. Their post histories are full of bounty reports, and suddenly they join to discuss or simply make a long post and ask why I did not receive merit. Copy that post and search, then we mostly end up with plagiarism proof.

You've got an opportunity to be here, between a lot of knowledgeable people and an ability to learn through their experiences, gain them and be one of them one day. Most of the high-ranked members today (who have earned merits on their own) don't focus on merits at all but they just do their best, like what they are best at and then they get merited. I believe you should focus on improving yourself a bit every single day and let the merits come your way itself.

I totally agree with you on this. I am talking from my experience and it should be not right for all people. I did care about merit when I am newbie. Who don't care about merits because without merits you can not rank up to higher ranks. Months ago, whenever I wrote a post (I of course always try to stay on topic, and decent contents), I would go back to check my profile and that post to see it receive replies and merits or not. That's take my time for other meaningful things like reading and learning more. Now, I stop doing this but maybe because I have been a Hero member already.

Looking back, I see what you said is true.

[Findingnemo]

OP, as one of the users who have received 300+ merit, I want to know if we have a rating standard to find out posts made solely because they want to get merit and rating standard to find out posts made a natural ?

Its simple, check their post history which is the simple and much faster way. If they are trying to join into a signature campaign so they are posting some long posts which are well constructed which will earn few merits which are needed for their signature campaign requirement to participate.

[skarais]

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As I suspected, and it is quite simple. But if its consistent then I think it will be different.
Sometimes we will find it difficult to distinguish between natural posts and posts made just to get merit. But for me even though it is a post made to get merit but if the post is constructive, and quality then I think we should consider giving merit because making a constructive and quality post requires a little effort and time.

I think appreciating the effort and time to make quality posts wont be a problem. As long as him dont beg for merit. But this is just my perception, and you and others might be different and quality and constructive posts although the purpose of getting merit will also help the forum to reduce spam. Give a little chance and see the difference.

[Findingnemo]

But for me even though it is a post made to get merit but if the post is constructive, and quality then I think we should consider giving merit because making a constructive and quality post requires a little effort and time.

It's worth giving merits for them but let's see if everyone follows that strategy to get merits, they are posting something for getting merits so they are not for real discussions which will push the situation of bitcointalk to the same situation as in 2017 which is the time people making money and money from bitcointalk then the only merit was introduced to control their activities.

I am not saying their quality is less but if they change it into their natural habit as forever then it will do no harm to the community.

[Stedsm]

I believe that people who try to find best sections to earn many merits, who try to bribe high-ranked members or just copy and paste somebody else's content and gain merits are doing nothing but wasting their own account here.

Those types of merit hunters are very easily to detect. Their post histories are full of bounty reports, and suddenly they join to discuss or simply make a long post and ask why I did not receive merit. Copy that post and search, then we mostly end up with plagiarism proof.

It's sometimes not so easy as you dictated because these users don't just stop here and continue to make new accounts and they don't hunt bounties but merits only (maybe with plagiarism or try to make many meaningless posts, but lengthy ones) and the worst part of all is that, some genuine members with genuine content do suffer a lot due to these people who do it just to get higher rank but without possessing the knowledge to reach there.

[Findingnemo]

some genuine members with genuine content do suffer a lot due to these people who do it just to get higher rank but without possessing the knowledge to reach there.

Agree with this, some members who have knowledge and post from their own knowledge in the best way they can is suffering from increasing their rank but as I said that isn't everything in bitcointalk we have to wait for the right kind of audience for our contents.

[NavI_027]

Actually what I wanted to tell is, if you are not making enough merits even after you are giving your maximum effort doesn't mean that you are not deserved to be on bitcointalk at someday you will get caught by the merits sources until that keep posting and learn new things which you are being yourself.

Very well said . Me? I don't sweat it, just chillin. What I mean is I never push myself so hard because at the end of the day the one who will decide whether you made a quality post or not is the rest of the members here — and you can't please them all. Actually, what I only do is to communicate normally with you guys. I just try my best to convey the ideas inside my mind, share what I know and offer help if I could. That's it! Maybe I'm just fortunate that some people appreciated my posts and gave me merits lol .

[Davian144]

As I suspected, and it is quite simple. But if its consistent then I think it will be different.
Sometimes we will find it difficult to distinguish between natural posts and posts made just to get merit. But for me even though it is a post made to get merit but if the post is constructive, and quality then I think we should consider giving merit because making a constructive and quality post requires a little effort and time.

I think appreciating the effort and time to make quality posts wont be a problem. As long as him dont beg for merit. But this is just my perception, and you and others might be different and quality and constructive posts although the purpose of getting merit will also help the forum to reduce spam. Give a little chance and see the difference.

Yes, in this case I strongly agree with your statement, which is "making a constructive and quality post requires a little effort and time" so obviously it won't hurt if we appreciate the little effort that someone has made in making a quality post and that can be useful also for many people, although each of us also has a different assessment on each post.

[aioc]

Sorry for another topic about merit guys! But I wanted to tell this to everyone, especially to newbies.

A high number of merits earned by an individual is a sign that he is a quality poster but it doesn't mean every less earned member is not knowledgeable enough. Earning merits depends on a lot of factors like which section we would like to post/discuss and which local board we belong to. So some members can earn more if their board and section have high active members and merit sources.

Actually what I wanted to tell is, if you are not making enough merits even after you are giving your maximum effort doesn't mean that you are not deserved to be on bitcointalk at someday you will get caught by the merits sources until that keep posting and learn new things which you are being yourself.

So much importance is given to merit because  it's the easiest way to rank up in this forum, so you can participate in bounty campaign when you can participate if even if you are a junior member because there are other options to participate like the article, linked and social media campaign, not only signature campaign, just concentrate on what you are doing and abide in forum rules.

[Findingnemo]

Actually what I wanted to tell is, if you are not making enough merits even after you are giving your maximum effort doesn't mean that you are not deserved to be on bitcointalk at someday you will get caught by the merits sources until that keep posting and learn new things which you are being yourself.

Very well said . Me? I don't sweat it, just chillin. What I mean is I never push myself so hard because at the end of the day the one who will decide whether you made a quality post or not is the rest of the members here — and you can't please them all. Actually, what I only do is to communicate normally with you guys. I just try my best to convey the ideas inside my mind, share what I know and offer help if I could. That's it! Maybe I'm just fortunate that some people appreciated my posts and gave me merits lol .

Being yourself is really great than pretending to be a great person.

So there is no wonders that others appreciated your attitude but most of the times we guys maybe unnoticed but our personal satisfaction is more important than earning merits.

[NavI_027]

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Being yourself is really great than pretending to be a great person.

Yeah I agree. Even though I'm just lying between the middle of experts and morons (maybe nearer on the side of morons lol), I'm already proud of it. At least I know to myself that I'm not a cancer cell here inside our forum. So for those mediocre posters out there, I just want to say "You can do it!". You will be recognized someday, just continue the good work and remain obedient. Trust God's process .

[lahiruu]

I'm not even 100% sure how to earn Merit. Though I was awarded 1 for a user, so I can be a jr member.

Agree though, users should be using the forum to interact and talk about a shared love of crypto/blockchain/tech, not just to raise their accs to a particular status

[Findingnemo]

it was an impossible achievement in my mind when I joined initially here.

Nothing is impossible here, if we are desperate to achieve it then we will surely for that we need to have enough patience.

But people choose faster way so they switch the section from the posting habit because they feel that if we post on those sections then we will get merits for sure and if you create a thread then there is guaranteed merit for you such kind of mindset is wrong.