Some question about trust summary in different sections.

[ZaraCB]

I noticed that some sections do not show trust summary in our Bitcointalk profile, such as Beginners & help section.



And some sections show trust summary in our Bitcointalk profile, such as Altcoin discussion.



I am interested to know that...

a) Is there any specific rules about this?
b) Which sections will show the trust summary and which sections will not?
c) What are the benefits of making this difference?

[Rizzrack]

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Some sections of the forum talk about deals, trading BTC, Alt ANN etc. It is useful to have trust rating in those kind of boards... and kind of irrelevant in others.

Here is were theymos announced trust ratings : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.0

[DdmrDdmr]

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What @Rizzrack states is the reason (notice that you cannot see the scores if you are not logged-in either). Bear in mind that Trust scores and ratings are really meant to be related to trade, this they do not apply in multiple boards in theory, and therefore it does not display. Many, nevertheless, would like to see the scores with disregard to the board you’re in.

Note: In addition to @Rizzrack’s referenced post, this one includes some updates that are important: Trust flags. Specifically, notice that the trust counters were dissociated from there on (see Use-case #1), without conforming an overall (algorithmical) Trust score, as described in original referenced link.

[jackg]

Yeah as is said they're only shown in places trading is likely to occur.

It was argued whether they should be shown on other boards and most ruled it was better not to as it didn't really matter. In some ways it might for certain boards (especially when links are given to beginners) but in most discussion places (like meta and dev and tech) it'd be a bit useless to show... Besides we have merit anyway too now.

[LTU_btc]

IMO, trust ratings should be shown in all boards. Maybe it's not essential in boards where no trades are being made, but it's still important. For example, there is user who is posting on Beginners & help and some discussion boards with unsafe online vanity address generator link in signature. Visible rating would work as alert in boards where users is vulnerable.
And BTW, what extension do you use which makes your username purple.

[gentlemand]

IMO, trust ratings should be shown in all boards. Maybe it's not essential in boards where no trades are being made, but it's still important. For example, there is user who is posting on Beginners & help and some discussion boards with unsafe online vanity address generator link in signature. Visible rating would work as alert in boards where users is vulnerable.

That's a very good suggestion. I'm not sure which sections it turns up in but it should also be in all of the alt sections. That's an area rife with questionable projects and even more questionable download links. Similar to here it's also likely to attract the crypto naifs.

I think it might as well be everywhere. I'd rather know I was dealing with a piece of shit even if it's erotic banter only.

[Rizzrack]

I'm not sure which sections it turns up in but it should also be in all of the alt sections. That's an area rife with questionable projects and even more questionable download links. Similar to here it's also likely to attract the crypto naifs.

Trust ratings appear in alt board

I think it might as well be everywhere. I'd rather know I was dealing with a piece of shit even if it's erotic banter only.

I guess it wouldn't hurt but don't see any necessity in knowing that user X from [insert random thread from off-topic] has defaulted on a loan for example

[hd49728]

I did not notice the trust counters under username before the trust flag were applied but if my memory is right, it is likely that trust counters were displayed on whole board, including the Meta board. After the escalation of Trust war, it was undisplayed in Meta board with some changes in the trust algorithm. From Default trust changes to Trust flags. Eventually, we have trust flag with three use cases of flags.

Can anyone confirm it, please.

I know the BPIP.org still provides the trust counters with old algorithm with its Most trusted profile page but we can not see the values of trust counters with old trust algorithm at Trust Feedback Information in user profile page on BPIP.org.

[DdmrDdmr]

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I don’t recall ever seeing the Trust counters on Meta (at least since I created my account just over 2 years ago, although I may not have paid attention to it at the beginning).

I’d say trust scores are still seen where they were before the changes made to the system to introduce the Flags and Trust score changes (i.e. elimitating the global Trust score summary).

I’ve tried to locate a complete tree of boards/childboards where the Trust Scores are displayed, but I haven’t managed to find one (strange, as I’d have thought there’d be one created by somebody).

[Lucius]

Some sections of the forum talk about deals, trading BTC, Alt ANN etc. It is useful to have trust rating in those kind of boards... and kind of irrelevant in others.

I would by no means agree with this bold part, and I think there's a good reason for that. Let's take the example of someone who came to this forum with the intention of scam as many people as possible, other members recognized this and left negative feedback which is then clearly visible in some parts of the forum. But what if that same member uses his signature to scam by posting on boards where trust is not shown?

It is my personal opinion that the trust should be displayed throughout the forum, because if someone is a bad person (and this is indisputably proven) then there is no reason to hide such information anywhere.

[Rizzrack]

Let's take the example of someone who came to this forum with the intention of scam as many people as possible, other members recognized this and left negative feedback which is then clearly visible in some parts of the forum. But what if that same member uses his signature to scam by posting on boards where trust is not shown?

Maybe I didn't use the best choice of words. Maybe "less necessary" would be more appropriate, or something like this:

It is visible where it's needed the most —  in the Marketplace board and its child boards and in the Trading discussion board and its child boards.

And in regards to your example YES, you are right... but had to think of a corner case in order to make your point. This is not the usual modus operandi.
First of all newbies cannot add link in the signature. So would have to rank up or buy copper.
Then by the time our newbie investors from the bitcoin discussion board get a chance to see his signature enough times the user would already have red trust, flag, messages with BEWARE ! SCAM ! after most of his posts and eventually even get banned/nuked (even if scams are not moderated he would most likely manage to break some rules around here)

I am not saying it would be wrong to display trust ratings in other boards too, it's just that I don't see it as that big of a necessity tbh

[Lucius]

And in regards to your example YES, you are right... but had to think of a corner case in order to make your point. This is not the usual modus operandi.
First of all newbies cannot add link in the signature. So would have to rank up or buy copper...
I am not saying it would be wrong to display trust ratings in other boards too, it's just that I don't see it as that big of a necessity tbh

What about old accounts? We have some Hero&Legendary which are proven scammers, they are red tagged, and they post in boards like Beginners & Help where most newbies should be active when join the forum.

Here's just one example, Legendary member promoting something bad, most of the posts in this board and no one can do anything to him. Not that it's wrong or "big of a necessity" of showing trust in all boards, it should be something completely normal if forum wants to protect users.

[KrisAlex18]

Wow, I didn't realize that thing before, I don't think the reason behind that but for me altcoins is more on trading so they need to see the trust summary of the person to know whether it is trustworthy or not. But for me it doesn't matter because if you really want to know whether it is a right person to talk to, you should visit his  her profile or make conversation with him or her, that is the right thing to do do you to make yourself comfortable when talking to.

IMO, trust ratings should be shown in all boards. Maybe it's not essential in boards where no trades are being made, but it's still important. For example, there is user who is posting on Beginners & help and some discussion boards with unsafe online vanity address generator link in signature. Visible rating would work as alert in boards where users is vulnerable.
And BTW, what extension do you use which makes your username purple.

Great said buddy, that is actually the thing, it is important to include the trust summary on the boards that has something to do with trading or other transactions.

[Coyster]

...But for me it doesn't matter because if you really want to know whether it is a right person to talk to, you should visit his  her profile...

I will not hurriedly conclude a user is trustworthy if I do not visit the users trust page, even if it shows when the user makes a post on some boards where it shows up. Before the trade takes place you'll still need to check why the user was given either a positive or a negative feedback, and if it's legitimate or not, the reference links and if the feedbacks violated or is in accordance with correct use of the trust system, some trusted members even get retaliatory feedbacks, so the feedbacks only showing in some section doesn't really matter, and one should always visit the users profile to see the trust score and make their decision.

[Findingnemo]

In some sections, we don't really need any person's trustworthiness so trust scores were removed on many sections or it has been in the way as before.But don't conclude any person's trustworthiness based on their scores alone just take some time to read the feedback history.High feedback scores without any trading activity should also be taken into care while trading.