Corona Cattle... Face Masks Are Dangerous.

[BADecker]

Coronavirus masks do not stop viruses.

Coronavirus masks keep bacteria in - on the mask. Then they add moisture to the bacteria on the inside of the mask. Then you get sick from the rampaging bacteria inside your mask you are wearing.


In Search of Corona Cattle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdgg2sBVgkA&feature=emb_logo


Cattle in Revolt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsgRsmoGgWU


Check out Unmasked Contempt - https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2020/04/30/unmasked-contempt/.[/b]

[Cnut237]

Coronavirus masks keep bacteria in - on the mask.

So you're saying we should all wear masks, because that way the people who are contagious won't spread the virus, because the mask stops them from infecting other people? 

[af_newbie]

Coronavirus masks do not stop viruses.

Coronavirus masks keep bacteria in - on the mask. Then they add moisture to the bacteria on the inside of the mask. Then you get sick from the rampaging bacteria inside your mask you are wearing.


In Search of Corona Cattle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdgg2sBVgkA&feature=emb_logo


Cattle in Revolt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsgRsmoGgWU


Check out Unmasked Contempt - https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2020/04/30/unmasked-contempt/.[/b]

I think you are dangerous.

Face masks along with eye & hands protection are the best way to prevent this infection.

All your PPE equipment should be exposed to UV light when not in use.

Stay at home, wear PPE when you are in public.  

Limit physical contact with other smart apes outside of your household.

[Tash]

Inhaling half of the exhaled Carbon dioxide cannot be healthy for extended periods, period.
Carbon dioxide CO₂is a deathly colorless gas in large enogh dose.

Two ways to get sick of COVID-19 dis-ease:
A.  damage cells in the body
B.  injecting toxins with needle

Face/mouth muzzle does not help in either case.
Mosquito can also make you very ill for other dis-eases as it injects animal dna..

[Naida_BR]

Face masks are dangerous because people do not know how to use them.
The way the mask it is applied and touched make it very dangerous and will bring huge contamination to the population. People think that they are protected because they were the mask and they are going to spend less time washing their hands or keeping other hygiene standards.

[BADecker]

If you listen to any doctors who talk about the efficacy of standard face-masks for stopping viruses, they will tell you that viruses go right through. Standard hospital face-masks are for stopping bacteria. Store-bought face-masks are for stopping dust.

[Jet Cash]

It seems that the virus can only survive for about 5 minutes on the human hand, but it can survive for 2 or 3 days on rubber and hard surfaces. This means that wearing gloves prolongs the life of the virus, and increases the chances of you spreading it whilst you are wearing gloves.

I'm not a virologist, but those facts make sense to me, as the human body has lots of mechanisms to help us survive possible infections.

[LTU_btc]

Well, WHO still don't recommend to wear masks for healthy people:
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks
Sometimes masks makes more harm than good. Many people reuse medical masks multiple times, they don't disinfect it, then masks becomes dangerous. I'm not even talking that many people don't wear it properly.
I understand that in some places like shops, public transport is needed, where there is many people and close contact. But I think that requirement to wear masks outside isn't needed. There is no close contact with other people and you can avoid it easy. I think this requirement should be optional.
And weather is getting more warm, what makes breathing with mask more difficult. So, I rather breathe clean weather. I noticed in my country thst probably half of people (including me ) don't wear mask properly. They just cover their beard or mouth. So, I think that these masks more protect from being fined by police, than from coronavirus.

[BADecker]

Coronavirus masks keep bacteria in - on the mask.

So you're saying we should all wear masks, because that way the people who are contagious won't spread the virus, because the mask stops them from infecting other people? 

I'm saying that the standard masks that people wear don't stop Covid. I'm also saying that they make people sick from multiplications of their own bacteria. If a person is sick form something, he just might be susceptible to Covid more easily. So, masks actually help to spread Covid a little.

[BADecker]

I think you are dangerous.

Face masks along with eye & hands protection are the best way to prevent this infection.

All your PPE equipment should be exposed to UV light when not in use.

Stay at home, wear PPE when you are in public.  

Limit physical contact with other smart apes outside of your household.

See the post above this one to understand why you are wrong.

However, if a complex gas-mask-like mask is worn properly, it could help.

[Carlton Banks]

If you listen to any doctors who talk about the efficacy of standard face-masks for stopping viruses, they will tell you that viruses go right through. Standard hospital face-masks are for stopping bacteria. Store-bought face-masks are for stopping dust.

I find myself horrified to agree (with you, @BADecker), but this is self evidently true

• Bacteria exist on the scale of micrometers, i.e. 1x10^-6 meters
• Viruses exist on the scale of nanometers, i.e. 1x10^-9 meters

a piece of cloth is no barrier to a fragment of RNA with adjoined proteins, such things are typically smaller than 100 nanometers in their longest dimension


if you still believe this nonsense, wake the fuck up, this whole virus panic is a farce

[Cnut237]

viruses go right through

a piece of cloth is no barrier to a fragment of RNA with adjoined proteins

Whilst this is true, there is an important distinction between the virus inside the mask getting out, and the virus outside the mask getting in. Reminds me of the problem of J Edgar Hoover.

If someone has the virus, and coughs up some infected mucus - which is a primary transmission mechanism - then the mask just needs to contain the droplet in order to stop nearby people from getting infected. The limiting factor is surely mucus droplet size rather than virus size, if the virus is inside the droplet? Apologies if I'm mistaken, but this is my understanding. Respiratory droplets are a much bigger factor than the smaller, 'airborne' droplets.

To quote the beleaguered WHO:

Modes of transmission of the COVID-19 virus
Respiratory infections can be transmitted through droplets of different sizes: when the droplet particles are >5-10 μm in diameter they are referred to as respiratory droplets, and when then are <5μm in diameter, they are referred to as droplet nuclei.1 According to current evidence, COVID-19 virus is primarily transmitted between people through respiratory droplets and contact routes

Of course there is the issue about the mask itself coming into contact with the virus and then acting as a contact transmission route. I'll agree this is a concern, but does it outweigh the protection a mask affords?

Can you honestly say that if someone with the virus is standing right in front of you and coughs, you are not bothered whether they cough into a mask or straight into your face? Also remember that quantity of exposure appears to be a factor in severity of symptoms. Even if a mask only stops 50% of the virus from spreading, that's a huge help.

Further (sorry, I'll shut up soon), I would argue that even if a mask has an overall zero effect, i.e. the quantity of virus is stops is balanced by the amount it spreads through becoming a contact source, then masks can still be a psychological help for the millions of people who have spend months in lockdown and are panicked about going out in public again.

[Tash]

Visiting a muzzle factory in Arizona, only workers wear them.
https://youtu.be/FfNFXJ2e4Ck
Looking at the wall, the floor, the worker clothes, no hair cup, shoes, jeans, tshirt, visitor can enter in without special clothes, sanitation, etc.
Maybe they used to make tractor parts  

Some poor sucker will now wear the face muzzle after he touched it with his hands.

[Oxstone]

That's the logical reasonning from someone who thinks vaccines are dangerous and useless.

Honestly not surprised.

[xen1oph]

The virus exists. I know people who have had this virus.
But the virus is not as dangerous as Bill Gates says when he tries to promote his vaccines and microchips as an electronic certificate.
The best defense against any viruses (including coronavirus) is to strengthen immunity. Including proper nutrition and a healthy lifestyle in general.

[Cnut237]

There is I think a common misconception about the measures governments are taking and the advice they're giving. Not saying anyone here is making this mistake, but we need to cover it for clarity.

The virus doesn't kill a huge percentage of the people it infects. This is a fact. It's a small percentage, low single digits at most, probably lower.
Face masks, other protective equipment, social distancing, etc are not perfect defences against the spread of the virus.

The virus can be stopped either through a vaccine or through a sufficient proportion of the population having been infected and carrying antibodies against it. That's it. Palliative medicines can potentially alleviate symptoms, but vaccine or natural herd immunity is the only way to stop it (ignoring for simplicity any future mutation of the virus).

So why the masks and the social distancing? The purpose with these measures is not to stop transmission, but to slow it down. The spread of a new virus through a population is a geometric progression. It's exponential. Small numbers become big numbers absurdly quickly. This is the crucial factor here. If face masks have some beneficial effect, if social distancing has some beneficial effect... then these approaches should be used.

It's all about management of the spread. Flattening the curve. Ensuring that the finite resources of health services are sufficient to deal with the number of infected patients. Ensuring that anyone who can be saved will be saved. That's it. Even if face masks are only 10% effective, that still means we should all wear them.

[BADecker]

viruses go right through

a piece of cloth is no barrier to a fragment of RNA with adjoined proteins

Whilst this is true, there is an important distinction between the virus inside the mask getting out, and the virus outside the mask getting in. Reminds me of the problem of J Edgar Hoover.

If someone has the virus, and coughs up some infected mucus - which is a primary transmission mechanism - then the mask just needs to contain the droplet in order to stop nearby people from getting infected. The limiting factor is surely mucus droplet size rather than virus size, if the virus is inside the droplet? Apologies if I'm mistaken, but this is my understanding. Respiratory droplets are a much bigger factor than the smaller, 'airborne' droplets.

To quote the beleaguered WHO:

Modes of transmission of the COVID-19 virus
Respiratory infections can be transmitted through droplets of different sizes: when the droplet particles are >5-10 μm in diameter they are referred to as respiratory droplets, and when then are <5μm in diameter, they are referred to as droplet nuclei.1 According to current evidence, COVID-19 virus is primarily transmitted between people through respiratory droplets and contact routes

Of course there is the issue about the mask itself coming into contact with the virus and then acting as a contact transmission route. I'll agree this is a concern, but does it outweigh the protection a mask affords?

Can you honestly say that if someone with the virus is standing right in front of you and coughs, you are not bothered whether they cough into a mask or straight into your face? Also remember that quantity of exposure appears to be a factor in severity of symptoms. Even if a mask only stops 50% of the virus from spreading, that's a huge help.

Further (sorry, I'll shut up soon), I would argue that even if a mask has an overall zero effect, i.e. the quantity of virus is stops is balanced by the amount it spreads through becoming a contact source, then masks can still be a psychological help for the millions of people who have spend months in lockdown and are panicked about going out in public again.

The facemask might provide psychological help for people, but does this kind of help stop actual physical diseases?

It has already been reported several times in this forum, that a virus in the air lasts only a short time. So, what if you have a virus in a respiratory droplet? Since it doesn't touch the air until further evaporation of the droplet, the virus might last in the air for a long time.

What about maintaining a virus "farm" in the masks? Are the masks being disposed of properly? What is properly? It's already been reported in this forum that viruses on materials can last dozens of times longer than they can in the air. Have we been instructed, or do we even know, proper mask usage and disposal procedures? At what point do the masks, themselves, become the danger?

Certainly a mask is better than a person coughing right into your face. But people have been taught over their whole lifetimes not to do this... even if it happens once in a while.

Perhaps we are at a standstill with the mask question. How can we know the effectiveness vs the dangers of masks in society? Are their society studies on these points... studies done by professional researchers?

Personally, I think that the dangers of masks worn beyond just a moment or two, outweigh the dangers of not wearing masks at all.

[BADecker]

That's the logical reasonning from someone who thinks vaccines are dangerous and useless.

Honestly not surprised.

That's the logical reasoning from someone who doesn't know what proof is. Since people don't have proof that vaccines are safe and effective, and since they are only trusting doctors who are trusting other doctors, and since there are tons of evidences that vaccines are dangerous, why don't we get the proof and not the hearsay?

However, it's a good thing when people find out that their supposed facts are really only part of their religion.

[yiruma]

Masks can help, but not much. When a person sneezes or coughs, less passes through a mask of aerosols than if a person would not wear a mask. Instead of a mask, you can simply sneeze or cough on the elbow or shoulder (perhaps it would even be better).

[BADecker]

The virus exists. I know people who have had this virus.
But the virus is not as dangerous as Bill Gates says when he tries to promote his vaccines and microchips as an electronic certificate.
The best defense against any viruses (including coronavirus) is to strengthen immunity. Including proper nutrition and a healthy lifestyle in general.

The question is, how do you know that it was the virus that those people had? The test kits come from China, who has been lying to us about their statistics all along. But if you say that you trust the W.H.O., they're in China, and heavily influenced by China.

Can we get an actual doctor/researcher who can show us the steps he went through to isolate the virus, and then the steps that he went through to determine that it absolutely was the virus in question.

We all have people who have died. Many of us have been told that our people have died from this virus. But many official statistics are showing us that something is being lied about... like the 99% in Italy, and the 94% in the USA. No proof then, and no proof yet.