Why Same MERITED Rankers send Merits to themselves?

[bonesjonesreturns]

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Once a post has been merited, then the post should be locked and can neither be deleted, nore modified.  @theymos might want to consider making that small modification to the merit system.

Ironically, the current admins of BPIP ( @ibminer and @suchmoon ) have chosen to skewer the merit ranking to include only the earned merits in their ranking system, *but* are happy enough to benefit from the merits they were initially gifted from others when the merit system was created.  It over inflates both their rank on BPIP and their egos.

They then use it to give them the power to include each other on DT you need 250 earned merits

Don't forget for every 250 merits you "earn" count as a vote, so 250 merits = 1 vote... 500 merits = 2 votes and so on.  Being able to gift others 50 merits at a time fast tracks their voting ability.

Interesting points there. No wonder they enjoy sending each other bags of merits.

I have often thought the same about locking posts are they have merit. . However the poster should maybe have the option to modify the post if they dont mind losing the merits.
I mean you may prefer to have control over your own posts than retain the merits in some cases.

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[mk4]

Merit is undeniably the worst thing to happen to bitcointalk ever

Dude what? The new merit system is undeniably the best update that Bitcointalk had. It's what made Bitcointalk actually more worth reading. If you were here in the bull market of 2017, you'd know what I mean. Back then people would just spam register accounts and grow it effortlessly through activity. Now, only the people who deserve it ranks up.

It supports scammers and crushes free speech

You could still freely post and share your thoughts regardless of rank and merit count.

[Nellayar]

I have the same problem that before that "how can I get a lot of merits like the legendaries that have over 500 merits". The only thing I need to do is only get a lot of knowledge and share into other users. All of the good posts have merit, no matter what is your rank. One of the common mistake of us before is one of our goals is to have merits but that is wrong because we need to have a good quality content post and the merit will automatically come.

There are many principles and ideas had been discussed since merits system launched. I believe that knowledge is virtue and ignorance is vice. However, there is no such thing as an absolute truth. I also working hard to make some progress in this forum. I have searched and learned a lot of information, shared to the forum but I did not get merits. Therefore, you may not guarantee that you have been receiving merit when you already learned and shared it here. Because many of us here may know what will you share. And it some post might you know a quality but for others, it is obsolete.

Uniqueness and creativity are the most important tool in posting in BTT.

For OP, I think it does not matter whether you send merit to your co-rank user. As long as the post has quality.

[STT]

Merit slows down the ranks alot I think so it is kinda dramatic in its effect but that was intended afaik.   I do think the system could be more liquid and so enable more merit, the ratio of decay could be changed from 50%.      The merit is totally for the post not the person exactly so whats been said is correct but I actually already do what you said because its impossible for me to give merit to every post I like or think stands out.
   So I'm very biased towards giving merit to new members, its actually a bit more dangerous to give merit to new members because it raises the chances the post is taken from an article and not original content.    I check maybe a dozen other posts from most people I give merit to, I dont have much to award so when I do I check now.   A couple times Ive given merit to someone who ends up banned and didn't even write that post themselves, so it was wasted merit then which is a major fail.
  If I get merit its very appreciated despite my rank its a compliment of course and the system does let me pass it on, its not just left unused so the OP argument is not really correct

[Saisher]

I wonder same at times, it's much like real world economy where rich gets richer and poor stays poorer.

It's a different case here in Bitcointalk the poor poster will get poorer in merit and the rich in quality poster will continue to be richer in merit, that's the case here in Bitcointalk so newbies need to contribute good posts.

[UserU]

Back then people would just spam register accounts and grow it effortlessly through activity. Now, only the people who deserve it ranks up.

I wonder though, didn't the Merit airdrops achieve the same thing? For example, newbie accounts instantly become Member.

[Snappycoco]

I stand with you. I saw some low quality post by some legendary members but still getting a lot of merits. I also saw some low ranking with High quality post but getting no merit at all.

[DdmrDdmr]

<…> I wonder though, didn't the Merit airdrops achieve the same thing? For example, newbie accounts instantly become Member.

Not really. The Merits airdropped to each account were in accordance to the amount they needed to maintain their rank at the time the Merit System kicked-in (with some Hero exceptions that where airdropped 1K Merits instead of 500 Merits). A Newbie would have remained a Newbie.

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We’ll always see counter-examples of one or another type. Unmerit decent posts may be skipped for whatever reason (not every "good" post is going to be merited), but one can always do something in these cases: Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source .

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Yes, at the time when the Merit System was set in motion, no Merit requirements were set for Jr. Members, so 30 Activity qualified for the rank, but rendered no airdrop merits.

[UserU]

Not really. The Merits airdropped to each account were in accordance to the amount they needed to maintain their rank at the time the Merit System kicked-in (with some Hero exceptions that where airdropped 1K Merits instead of 500 Merits). A Newbie would have remained a Newbie.

I'm not familiar with the old ranking system so don't mind if I ask this.

Based on trant's history thread, the Jr Member would only be minimum requirement to be eligible? That's starting from 30 Activity, right?

[skarais]

Based on trant's history thread, the Jr Member would only be minimum requirement to be eligible? That's starting from 30 Activity, right?

Like newbie, Jr members dont receive airdrop merit when the merit system is applied and they remain in Jr. But a few months later, there was a change and all members of Jr. become newbie and they must get 1 merit to become a member of Jr.

[bonesjonesreturns]

Merit is undeniably the worst thing to happen to bitcointalk ever

Dude what? The new merit system is undeniably the best update that Bitcointalk had. It's what made Bitcointalk actually more worth reading. If you were here in the bull market of 2017, you'd know what I mean. Back then people would just spam register accounts and grow it effortlessly through activity. Now, only the people who deserve it ranks up.

It supports scammers and crushes free speech

You could still freely post and share your thoughts regardless of rank and merit count.

You only have this opinion because you only have a shallow grasp of the merit system and its Implications.
What I have said has been debated several times previously and never been debunked.

The same pattern of mass shitposting naturally subsided after the 2014 bull.

Merits only legitimate purpose is preventing bot and slowing down account farming.
The real damage was done when merit was conflated with trust.
The insoluble problems that merit has created far outweigh the positives that could have been achieved by other means without all of the damage.

Your final point is also misleading.
If I have a gun and point it at your head and instruct you to remain silent then for sure you can still call out if you choose. Nothing is preventing you. There would of course be the small consideration to factor in that I will turn you head into a canoe if you dont consider my feelings on the matter.

Same with merit and merit = trust.

Support the status quo ( which the merit cyclers, self appointed DT chipmixer scammer supporters benefit from )  = merits and no trust absuse

Present undeniable evidence the status quo is gamed and dangerous and crushes free speech = merit starvation and trust abuse


If you would like further reading references before engaging in full debate regarding this then let me know.

As I have said the points I have made about the merit system are irrefutable and undeniable.
In it's current form it is a damaging cancer.

If it would have been left to simply make it harder for bots and account farmers that would have been fine.
It simply wasn't designed suitably for the purpose it was later given.
Hence why it was gamed and abused to be a tool for greed and suppression.

[Timmzzy]

I wonder same at times, it's much like real world economy where rich gets richer and poor stays poorer.

It's a different case here in Bitcointalk the poor poster will get poorer in merit and the rich in quality poster will continue to be richer in merit, that's the case here in Bitcointalk so newbies need to contribute good posts.

Now that's the position of getting rich or getting poor comes in on bitcointalk forum. Let's say everyone is just trying so hard to be in a big position on bitcointalk. But my say is not that, am driving to the point where the rich is still wanting to be rich. If you get what I mean clearly well. Having those Merits is not bad sure it's a good thing but on the contrary where a legendary is stil rewarding a fellow legendary is my question. Which I believe am getting to have some answers Which already states that this how it is till the end.

[NavI_027]

But my say is not that, am driving to the point where the rich is still wanting to be rich.

Nah I don't think so. I highly doubt that the so called "rich" here in our forum continuously want to become richer in merits. Why? Because it's totally useless already. They finally reach the highest rank possible and tons of merits won't bring them farther (unless theymos introduce a new rank). Do not overthink dude, there's no collusion happening between them or whatsoever, Legendary members giving merits to each other is all legal. It just so happened that they're more knowledgeable compare to most of us thus they more appreciate the contributions of one another.

If you are a little bit jelous or really want to belong on such elite group then act like a Legendary as well. That's the only way, good luck .