Why Same MERITED Rankers send Merits to themselves?

[Timmzzy]

Hello...

I have a question which concerned to merit? I came to notice that we have lots of newbies who are trying very hard to get merits here on this BITCOINTALK forum. With lots great topics that contributes and also supports to put this forum in a great shape in future. I believe legendary is the final rank on this forum Right?

Now what is the difference for a legendary to MERIT another legendary who is already a legendary RANKER on this forum, same goes to other SAME Rankers on the forum.

This alone I believe makes few low rank members in the forum ask this questions in their thoughts.

Please your REASONS for this welcomed...

[1715512858]

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[Crypto.Games]

Now what is the difference for a legendary to MERIT another legendary who is already a legendary RANKER on this forum, same goes to other SAME Rankers on the forum.

Because you send merit for the posts quality, and it shouldn't matter whether the user is a Newbie, Hero Member, Legendary or whatever other rank.

[YOSHIE]

Please your REASONS for this welcomed...

The reason is very simple, study, will, and knowledge.
However,
If your post like this is very thin what you expect, merit.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1014729;sa=showPosts;start=720

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1014729;sa=showPosts;start=620

Only you get a few tokens and make money, it doesn't generate merit.


However, if your post like this your dream will come true, merit.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206035.0

You can get everything in the Bitcointalk Forum as long as you want to give the best for the members here.
Maybe try to fore the best post, you will definitely get Merit.
Note:
Merit is not moderated by Legendary or lower ranking, it's free to give and receive for quality reasons and useful posts.

[blue Snow]

You asking a good question and I am merited to helping you rank up as well.

this is a my reason

[BitMaxz]

The reason why they receive merits it's because the post is helpful and it gives the right solution on the topic. And the other reason is Legendary members are part of the distribution cycle to spread merit to other members. So that we can also give merits to the other members who contribute here on the forum. There are only a few merit sources who distributed merits to only those who truly deserve.

There is an old thread the same as this why not read them from here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4136268.0

[logfiles]

Merit is given to quality posts regardless of the rank. One would rather give more merits to a legendary Member who is contributing to the forum than a newbie who spams and makes only bounty reports.

Your assumption that Newbies are not given merits even when they try to me]make quality posts is wrong. I was also once a newbie with Zero Merits but now have more than 500. It all depends on how much you contribute to the forum in terms of helping other members and engaging in meaningful discussions.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Now what is the difference for a legendary to MERIT another legendary who is already a legendary RANKER on this forum, same goes to other SAME Rankers on the forum.

I generally tend to try to give merits to lower-ranked members who need them to rank up--but only if their posts are merit-worthy.  Often they aren't.  There are some threads I read through where most of the constructive posts which have obviously had thought put into them to be made by higher-ranked members--and more often than not, they're Legendaries.

OP, I don't know how important merits are to you personally or if you're looking to climb the ranks on the forum, but if either of those things are the case, you might want to either try to improve your English or post on a local board.  If you'd made a post like your OP in the middle of some other thread, I would have just skimmed it and quickly moved on.

Merits aren't supposed to be easy to earn.

[TheBeardedBaby]

Basically, you should merit a post not a person, it's another question if everyone is following it.

Merit above 1000 are for reputation, those who contribute to stand out no matter the rank.

People tend to exchange merit, but this is only a bad perception, many posts deserve merit but not so many have smerit to send, suddenly the majority of the active members merit each other.

PS. I had a plan to merit the OP because he was missing 1 merit to rank up, but I was dried out a few days ago and forgot about it. Somebody already done it. Good work.

[tranthidung]

In short, there are likely some factors that affect how users at different ranks have different merit usages:

• Understanding and experience on forum structures, rules, systems (include merit system)
• Post quality
• Ability to assess post quality of the others

Please read my very old analysis: Where receivers received merits from, and meriters sents merits to.

If you don't like boring figures, you can look at given bar charts. The fact is Legendary and Hero members have earned most merits on the forum and they surely have better knowledge on the forum structures, rules, especially how to use merits appropriately. More importantly, their post quality is much better than lower ranked users. Hence, I don't feel strange to see they send most of their sMerits to other Legendary and Hero members.

However, if you look at lower ranks, they have received most of their merits from higher ranks, especially from the Legendary and Hero member ranks. The three lower ranks: Jr. Member, Member, and Full member tend to send their sMerits to users who have same ranks too. I don't blindly say what they do are merit abuse but I am sure part of them do abuse the merit system. There is no in-depth analysis about it but I know when the demotion on Junior members in September 2018 (a spike, you can easily see it), there were massive merits distributed to demoted Jr. Members and help them ranking up again to Junior Members.

In ntransactions
Receivers:

• They received merits mostly from Legendary, and Hero members.
• Exception is Global moderators, who received merits from Legendary (1st), Staff (2nd), and Hero Member (3rd) but the difference in percents between Staff (15.3%) and Hero Member (14.8%) is very small.

Senders:

• They mostly send their sMerits to Legendary members.
• Jr. Members, Members, and Hero members usually sent their sMerits for the others at the same ranks.

In values of transactions
Receivers:

• For all ranks of receivers, majority of their earned merits come from Legendary members.
• Jr. Members: received their merits mostly from Legendary, Hero members, and Members (descendingly).
• Members: received their merits mostly from Legendary, Hero members and Members (descendingly).

Senders:
* Rememebers, stats are percentages in values of merit transactions.

• Brand new: Mostly (50%) sent their merits to Members.
• Jr. Members: sent their merits to Members (31.9%), Jr. Members (27.6%).
• Members: sent their merits to Members (39.6%), Jr. Members (14.8%).
• Full Members: sent their merits to Full Members (21.7%), Jr. Members (21.2%).
• Sr. Members: sent their merits nearly equally to Members to Legendary (with percentages from 16.7% to 18.8%).
• Hero members: sent their merits to Hero members (26.3%), Legendary (22.4%).
• Legendary members: sent their merits to Legendary members (37.2%), Hero members (20.4%).
• Staffs, and Global moderators: sent their merits to Legendary members and Hero members (from 16.9% - 34%).
  
• Admins: mostly sent merits to Sr. Members (23.1%).
  

[TryNinja]

I REALLY try to save merits for Newbies and low ranks, but being honest with you, there aren't a lot that deserve them. If I merited every single HQ post I found, which deserves merit, I would have none by now. And 80% or more of them would have been given to Hero-Legendary members. Right now, I have close to 150 sMerits which I can send to people and I'm somewhere this number for some time just because I hardly can find good posts (in my vision) from new users... Trust me, I would love to spend all my sMerits with Newbies and Jr. Members.

[rhomelmabini]

There's no rule that prohibit a Legendary rank to merit another Legendary or those other ranks. Newbies or those lower ranks like Jr. members that has good posts or other similar stuff are very rare and what I mostly see are just users that are just in a hurry to get the post quantity they need if they are on their signature campaign.

Boards also do have an impact if those newbies aren't just posting on those mega-spam boards mostly they can be found there and mostly those upper ranks for example merit source doesn't prefer to be bystander there, mostly they aren't. Are they really trying very hard to get those or it's just your perception? Because if they are they should have read the signs with concern on it, there are lot of topics here on how to get merits but those has been read by those newbies? I've been there but I haven't argue in regards to merit instead I chase how I will get them by just observation and through reading.

[gentlemand]

I'd love to merit only those who need to rank up but boy do the juniors make it hard.

There aren't many posts made by them that move me enough and I'm not going to merit anything for the sake of it.

I'm awful at handing it out in general but the legendaries tend to make the points and posts that hit the spot.

[hacker1001101001]

I believe legendary is the final rank on this forum Right?

Now what is the difference for a legendary to MERIT another legendary who is already a legendary RANKER on this forum, same goes to other SAME Rankers on the forum.

Yes, for now Legendary is the final rank but that doesn't mean they don't deserve or need any merits as there is a petition for the next rank already, something like Lambo !

I see, most of the merit sources probably complaining about not getting HQ posts from newbies around here to merit, which I would agree with in some cases.

[libert19]

I wonder same at times, it's much like real world economy where rich gets richer and poor stays poorer.

[Kupid002]

High ranked whos deserve a merit  base on the quality of the post  he make should also given merit what ever they rank is.

The merit given to High ranked member will also convert to smerit where they can also use to give to other user's  so its not really a big problem. besides merit is also part of requirements  if you will apply for a campaign so they also need to receive merit.

[Raytheon]

[...] it's much like real world economy where rich gets richer and poor stays poorer.

The "rich gets richer and poor stays poorer" is called "Matthew effect" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_effect). Applying this theory to Bitcointalk, it can be interpreted that if a problem or an idea spotted at the same time by a low ranked and a high ranked members, the high ranked member is recognized and the low ranked is easier to be overlooked. I'm not opposed to this Matthew effect, it's quite popular in real life. I usually talk to myself that, you can't change social prejudices on your own, all you can do is never stop proving yourself. One day your effort will be awarded deservedly or at least, you won't be regret that you haven't tried enough in the past.

Now what is the difference for a legendary to MERIT another legendary who is already a legendary RANKER on this forum, same goes to other SAME Rankers on the forum.

The forum is far different from a game - where you only need to try hard, kill bosses, clear maps... to rank up and then chill when you hit the highest rank. People are here for knowledge, discussions, bitcoin passion and so on. So just because of reaching the legend rank doesn't mean that they stop giving merit to other legends' good posts. At a certain level, merit is the measure of reputation, I think. There are merit sources to do the merit distribution and the number of them is increasing day by day.

[Timelord2067]

Wait until you uncover the Legendary users who gift other Legendary users up to 50 merits at a time.

Or re-discover the threads whose sole purpose is to say outlandish things and gift each-other merits in a circle-jerk of merit giving.

Or the mock indignation in the pretext of discussion about other user's reputations garnering those posters merits.

The list goes on.

[Upgrade00]

Asides from the effect of airdropped merits, those high ranked members were once newbies and they rose to that rank by earning merits. Merits are not given to ranks, there are legendaries who have not earned a single merit. As long as you keep dropping useful and relevant content, you'll get some. If you have a target you are pursuing then you may need to find a niche board and learn everything about it; this could be politics, mining etc.

while others spend merit based on both post quality and ranks (percentage of post quality/ranks may be vary).

I am averse to this, it's like meriting a shit post of a HQ poster cause they usually post good content. If a post is merit-worthy by your subjective standards, it should be merited.

[UserU]

Wait until you uncover the Legendary users who gift other Legendary users up to 50 merits at a time.

Or re-discover the threads whose sole purpose is to say outlandish things and gift each-other merits in a circle-jerk of merit giving.

Or the mock indignation in the pretext of discussion about other user's reputations garnering those posters merits.

The list goes on.

And then there's this  

[Bttzed03]

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Now what is the difference for a legendary to MERIT another legendary who is already a legendary RANKER on this forum

This is a little off-topic.

Legendaries who are active in signature campaigns needs few merits too because campaign managers would require or prefer those who received xx amount of merits in the last 120 days. If they don't meet such requirement, the chances of them getting accepted is lower.

[Pmalek]

They are high-ranked members for a reason. Their post quality sets them apart. Especially those who became Legendaries after the introduction of the merit system.

You assumption that Newbies and lower ranks are overlooked is not correct. In most cases, their contributions are not merit-worthy. But there are exceptions. Take a look at these two newbies for example:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5245506.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5243577.0
 

[ZaraCB]

A. Problem

Now what is the difference for a legendary to MERIT another legendary who is already a legendary RANKER on this forum, same goes to other SAME Rankers on the forum.

In your opinion, merit in the forum should be given only to those who need to be ranked up. And there is no need to give merit to those who are Legendary.

Like you, I felt like that one day. But I now understand that merit has to be earned and it can be earned by anyone whether he/she is a Newbie, Jr.  member, Member or Legendary member.

I mentioned two topics here as an examples where you can see that Newbie and Jr.  member has no comment. The reason for this is that if you want to comment on something, you must know about it.  If you don't know, you can't comment there.

Bitcoin Transaction Fees - Everything in one
[Tutorial] How to create Lightning Network Channel (Testnet BTC)

Again you will see that in the Beginners and Help section when a Beginner is looking for help then High rank members are comes first for help.

How to earn bitcoin using this site fot a newbie
Fake volume?

Again, you can go to this thread and see that most of the sheet posts are from lower rank members.
Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny

You have achieved 3 merits in the last 120 days. May 4, 2020 two merits and today 1 merit. This is because you spend most of your time in the bounty. "Crypto.Games" was the first to comment on this topic. You will see that his total post is 4 but merit is 12. Therefore, if the quality of the post is good, there is no doubt that lower rank members can get merit.

So we can say that merit is not given on the basis of rank. Merit is given based on the quality of the post.

B. Solution
I am mentioning here some ways to achieve merit for you..
1. Given more and more time in the forum
2. Acquire knowledge
3.  Start a good topic.
4.  Good Comment.
5.  Helping others
6.  Scam busting
7.  Participate in important discussions.

You can also read the guide below ..
TMAN'S guide to getting merit.

Thank you.

[nutildah]

And then there's this  

I've been meaning to do this for a while.

[Kunnu]

Those people always deserve praise who are capable to make impression with their thoughts it doesn't matter how much experienced they are so in this case the positive impact of thoughts really matters more than ranks and we must understand this simple point.

[gentlemand]

I wonder same at times, it's much like real world economy where rich gets richer and poor stays poorer.

Many people here have expressed the preference to merit lower ranks. They're saying most of the lower ranks don't create good enough posts. If they did then they'd be flying up the charts.

The small amount of shit hot posters who arrive out of nowhere reach ludicrous heights in no time at all. That had nothing to do with privilege or nepotism. What they had was recognised by others and awarded.

[UserU]

I've been meaning to do this for a while.

Perhaps that solves the mystery of why he hardly replies to our peasantry discussions.

[Peanutswar]

I have the same problem that before that "how can I get a lot of merits like the legendaries that have over 500 merits". The only thing I need to do is only get a lot of knowledge and share into other users. All of the good posts have merit, no matter what is your rank. One of the common mistake of us before is one of our goals is to have merits but that is wrong because we need to have a good quality content post and the merit will automatically come.

I would like to share where do I got some of my merits and some of the thread giving some merits
1. Giving 25 Newbie/Jr. Members a Chance to Rank Up by Pmalek
2. 💥 [Merit Giveaway] - Post useful threads and earn merit by
Henri Cartier
3. [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source by LoyceV
4. Merit giveaway for newbie and jr members by Daniel91

And the other merits are came from the topic/thread I made that helps other users. I hope you can get some too soon.

[Timmzzy]

I have the same problem that before that "how can I get a lot of merits like the legendaries that have over 500 merits". The only thing I need to do is only get a lot of knowledge and share into other users. All of the good posts have merit, no matter what is your rank. One of the common mistake of us before is one of our goals is to have merits but that is wrong because we need to have a good quality content post and the merit will automatically come.

I would like to share where do I got some of my merits and some of the thread giving some merits
1. Giving 25 Newbie/Jr. Members a Chance to Rank Up by Pmalek
2. 💥 [Merit Giveaway] - Post useful threads and earn merit by
Henri Cartier
3. [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source by LoyceV
4. Merit giveaway for newbie and jr members by Daniel91

And the other merits are came from the topic/thread I made that helps other users. I hope you can get some too soon.

Am Wow with this... I believe this will help lots of newbies coming into Bitcointalk forum to understand better on how to get Merits other than begging for it.

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Now what is the difference for a legendary to MERIT another legendary who is already a legendary RANKER on this forum

This is a little off-topic.

Legendaries who are active in signature campaigns needs few merits too because campaign managers would require or prefer those who received xx amount of merits in the last 120 days. If they don't meet such requirement, the chances of them getting accepted is lower.

In your case, it's about the bounty Campaign they are running, while I am talking about having Merits when you are already a higher ranked member in the forum just like legendary to legendary.

[snipie]

I wonder same at times, it's much like real world economy where rich gets richer and poor stays poorer.

Best and accurate sentence so far. +1, which left me with a solo merit to keep the +merit box open!
I will not say that 100% of merit sources or other members are doing this but since the merit system was implemented there was so many trafficking starting from the guys sending +50 merit to their alts, friends between them for stupid comments...
Actually what I notice is the probability to be merited increase with how famous you are in the first place then how substantial your post is. For example if theymos makes a post about a new forum feature, he may receive for it a total of +50 merit, while if any other staff member announced it, he may receive less than 30. Same applies for other members. No?

[Chrystora123]

try to compare your own posts that you make with members who receive a lot of merits, is the quality the same?..  Your quality is too low if you think you are the same as the member (recipient of many merits). You just need to understand how our world works, everyone has a different level of intelligence (in writing, an understanding of a problem, and knowledge), this is what you need to accept..

I wonder same at times, it's much like real world economy where rich gets richer and poor stays poorer.

"You have the right to opine and insinuate like this but in reality, the rich are always more helpful than the poor" the poor I mean here is mentally poor, complaining is one of the poor mental proofs..

[Raytheon]

Actually what I notice is the probability to be merited increase with how famous you are in the first place then how substantial your post is. For example if theymos makes a post about a new forum feature, he may receive for it a total of +50 merit, while if any other staff member announced it, he may receive less than 30. Same applies for other members. No?

Congratulations, you have just discovered the "Matthew effect". But just like almost other people, you also commited it. My post was just 2 posts below libert19's post, mentioning the effect. You missed it because I'm just Jr. member ranked, right?

The "rich gets richer and poor stays poorer" is called "Matthew effect" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_effect). Applying this theory to Bitcointalk, it can be interpreted that if a problem or an idea spotted at the same time by a low ranked and a high ranked members, the high ranked member is recognized and the low ranked is easier to be overlooked.

[virasog]

Hello...

I have a question which concerned to merit? I came to notice that we have lots of newbies who are trying very hard to get merits here on this BITCOINTALK forum. With lots great topics that contributes and also supports to put this forum in a great shape in future. I believe legendary is the final rank on this forum Right?

Now what is the difference for a legendary to MERIT another legendary who is already a legendary RANKER on this forum, same goes to other SAME Rankers on the forum.

This alone I believe makes few low rank members in the forum ask this questions in their thoughts.

Please your REASONS for this welcomed...

Getting merit is not only to increase the rank but it also confirms in one way that the person is writing quality posts. Also if any member want to get into signature campaigns the managers do check if he have recently got some merits in last 120 days. (As only last 120 merits are visible on the profile).
Merit is sort of an award which makes you superior than the others. Good writers are judged on the basis of merits. The more merits you have, the better writer you are, who contribute to the forum.

[Mrengage]

Now what is the difference for a legendary to MERIT another legendary who is already a legendary RANKER on this forum, same goes to other SAME Rankers on the forum.

Because you send merit for the posts quality, and it shouldn't matter whether the user is a Newbie, Hero Member, Legendary or whatever other rank.

Is there no other means to appreciate a post been by legendaries rankers or other higher rankers. I will really want to see something of such nature in future. Because same rank member sending Merit to same rank member is like a waste.

[snipie]

Actually what I notice is the probability to be merited increase with how famous you are in the first place then how substantial your post is. For example if theymos makes a post about a new forum feature, he may receive for it a total of +50 merit, while if any other staff member announced it, he may receive less than 30. Same applies for other members. No?

Congratulations, you have just discovered the "Matthew effect". But just like almost other people, you also commited it. My post was just 2 posts below libert19's post, mentioning the effect. You missed it because I'm just Jr. member ranked, right?

No it is because either i am blind or i like simple post.
Most of my merit were spent here, targeting low ranks mainly... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2957836.0, so...

[nakamura12]

Rank is not the basis why a user will merit to whoever they want to sent it to. The purpose is to send merit to those who post constructively or helpful post that is not plagiarized or no preferences.. Some forum users posted on threads or created a thread themselves but the content they posted is not theirs or simply copy paste that's why it needs some time to do some research if the post is a copy paste or own content. I'm sure you know that some people only copy paste and some share some information on other sites with link included where they found it.

[Findingnemo]

Now what is the difference for a legendary to MERIT another legendary who is already a legendary RANKER on this forum, same goes to other SAME Rankers on the forum.

Because they think that there will be a new rank in the future so they are working for it and getting enough merits in reserve to get rankup when it will get implemented by admin.

Merit is not moderated and anyone can merit any post, so there is no strict guidelines as well so merits are awarded for the quality post which maybe helpful for the others.So no matter who is creating good post will get merits.

[Timmzzy]

I wonder same at times, it's much like real world economy where rich gets richer and poor stays poorer.

Best and accurate sentence so far. +1, which left me with a solo merit to keep the +merit box open!
I will not say that 100% of merit sources or other members are doing this but since the merit system was implemented there was so many trafficking starting from the guys sending +50 merit to their alts, friends between them for stupid comments...
Actually what I notice is the probability to be merited increase with how famous you are in the first place then how substantial your post is. For example if theymos makes a post about a new forum feature, he may receive for it a total of +50 merit, while if any other staff member announced it, he may receive less than 30. Same applies for other members. No?

This is exactly what am driving at, I have come across such accounts on bitcointalk here where it has not even up to 20 activities but has already gotten up full member rank at a Go... My opinion here is theymos should try to rebrand Bitcointalk with few changes.

[Bitcoin-Babe]

I believe legendary is the final rank on this forum Right?

Now what is the difference for a legendary to MERIT another legendary who is already a legendary RANKER on this forum, same goes to other SAME Rankers on the forum.

Yes, for now Legendary is the final rank but that doesn't mean they don't deserve or need any merits as there is a petition for the next rank already, something like Lambo !

I see, most of the merit sources probably complaining about not getting HQ posts from newbies around here to merit, which I would agree with in some cases.

Why does a legendary member need merit?

[Upgrade00]

Why does a legendary member need merit?

Reasons for not getting merits includes:
•Low quality content - Do more research on what you post on the forum, the more information you acquire the more your post quality improves
•Posting in Spam mega threads - avoid threads which contain repetitive answers which are made just to increase post count
•Board preference - some boards receive more merit than others, mostly due to spam which drives smerit holders away and also makes it difficult to find quality post.

Does NOT include;
•Legendary members getting merited

Accounts don't need merits, it's given to quality posts which are merit worthy, regardless of the rank of the user. This should be a non-issue as legendary accounts getting merits does not in any way reduce the merits available for lower ranks, there are sources who have their smerits replenished regularly and users with unused smerits who are willing to spend them; meaning merits are always available for users who contribute constructively to discussions.

[Raytheon]

No it is because either i am blind or i like simple post.
Most of my merit were spent here, targeting low ranks mainly... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2957836.0, so...

For whatever the reason it is, I truely respect what you have done to help the low ranks.

[Jawhead999]

Why does a legendary member need merit?

Who a legendary member say that? Can you give the example of legendary member ask about merit?

You should read all user post in a thread before start to post, many member have answer it about this

"Merit are not given from a ranks of a user, but merit are given from a quality post"

You can also look this picture, it's clear @theymos ( one of legendary member ) didn't want to get merit

[nutildah]

You can also look this picture, it's clear @theymos ( one of legendary member ) didn't want to get merit

Oh, I should clarify: that's a joke. I edited the text in my browser to make it say that. The other 2 pictures were also jokes.

[UserU]

Oh, I should clarify: that's a joke. I edited the text in my browser to make it say that. The other 2 pictures were also jokes.

Sending Merits to theymos should be a bannable offense. No surprise why Merit Sources are always "dry" before their quota refresh

[Timelord2067]

No surprise why Merit Sources are always "dry" before their quota refresh

Some merit fonts claim they have to shower some users with dozens or even scores of merits is because they can't find worthy posts (and then will hand out barelly one or two to others in the same instance).  If these merit fonts can't find worthy posts, then my advice to them would be that they don't disproportionately gift merits to the few posts they do merit.

Sending Merits to theymos should be a ban-able offence.

It should also be that if you are a merit font then you are excluded from receiving merits, or, receive no more than one per day per UID while you are in that role.

[iamsheikhadil]

If a very rich person comes and helps you fix your car, it's your duty to pay him irrespective of his net worth. So when giving out merits, merit senders should look at the quality of the post and not how much merit that person already has. When someone's already legendary, it also plays a big psychological role to see their posts with more focus than it would be for newbies but this psychological bias should be kept away when judging a post to see if it deserves merit or not

[pakhitheboss]

Hello...

I have a question which concerned to merit? I came to notice that we have lots of newbies who are trying very hard to get merits here on this BITCOINTALK forum. With lots great topics that contributes and also supports to put this forum in a great shape in future. I believe legendary is the final rank on this forum Right?

Now what is the difference for a legendary to MERIT another legendary who is already a legendary RANKER on this forum, same goes to other SAME Rankers on the forum.

This alone I believe makes few low rank members in the forum ask this questions in their thoughts.

Please your REASONS for this welcomed...

The whole pupose of Merit system is to reward user who have been able to help a member of the community. It was implemented to remove quantity posting  and increase quality posting.

There have been instances where some members have tried to manipulate the Merit system but, they were banned for life from this forum. So, avoid such tactics as it will only hurt you.

It is hard to get those Merits but it becomes easy if you create quality thread and help others.

[Timmzzy]

Why does a legendary member need merit?

Who a legendary member say that? Can you give the example of legendary member ask about merit?

You should read all user post in a thread before start to post, many member have answer it about this

"Merit are not given from a ranks of a user, but merit are given from a quality post"

You can also look this picture, it's clear @theymos ( one of legendary member ) didn't want to get merit

This picture is the most crazy one I saw, theymos was even against the merits but instead they all turned it to some sort of fun. I believe it was due to the anniversary celebration which there was no means to appreciate him rather than sending those Merits which he never wanted.

[nutildah]

You can also look this picture, it's clear @theymos ( one of legendary member ) didn't want to get merit

This picture is the most crazy one I saw, theymos was even against the merits but instead they all turned it to some sort of fun. I believe it was due to the anniversary celebration which there was no means to appreciate him rather than sending those Merits which he never wanted.

No no no... C'mon man, I already said that it was a joke. It didn't happen. The original post by theymos is here. Look at the merits. They are the same. I just edited the text in my browser.

[Bitcoin-Babe]

Why does a legendary member need merit?

Reasons for not getting merits includes:
•Low quality content - Do more research on what you post on the forum, the more information you acquire the more your post quality improves
•Posting in Spam mega threads - avoid threads which contain repetitive answers which are made just to increase post count
•Board preference - some boards receive more merit than others, mostly due to spam which drives smerit holders away and also makes it difficult to find quality post.

Does NOT include;
•Legendary members getting merited

Accounts don't need merits, it's given to quality posts which are merit worthy, regardless of the rank of the user. This should be a non-issue as legendary accounts getting merits does not in any way reduce the merits available for lower ranks, there are sources who have their smerits replenished regularly and users with unused smerits who are willing to spend them; meaning merits are always available for users who contribute constructively to discussions.

Thank you.

So, legendary members do not need merits. It appears that merit was implemented to prevent poor quality accounts ranking up.
IOW to ensure members can only rank up their accounts if other members perceive their posts to provide some kind of value " good post"

So, if you have ranked up to legendary there is no need for merit.

[UserU]

No no no... C'mon man, I already said that it was a joke. It didn't happen. The original post by theymos is here. Look at the merits. They are the same. I just edited the text in my browser.

You gotta enlarge them font and make them red. Or else more would be taking theymos' post seriously

[acroman08]

Hello...

I have a question which concerned to merit? I came to notice that we have lots of newbies who are trying very hard to get merits here on this BITCOINTALK forum. With lots great topics that contributes and also supports to put this forum in a great shape in future. I believe legendary is the final rank on this forum Right?

Now what is the difference for a legendary to MERIT another legendary who is already a legendary RANKER on this forum, same goes to other SAME Rankers on the forum.

This alone I believe makes few low rank members in the forum ask this questions in their thoughts.

Please your REASONS for this welcomed...

and that is why there are threads that exist just to give merit to unmerited quality posts to give other members a chance to receive merit for the quality post they made that had been ignored.

No no no... C'mon man, I already said that it was a joke. It didn't happen. The original post by theymos is here. Look at the merits. They are the same. I just edited the text in my browser.

your jokes and editing skills are just too good for others to understand. you should make it obvious next time  

[Findingnemo]

and that is why there are threads that exist just to give merit to unmerited quality posts to give other members a chance to receive merit for the quality post they made that had been ignored.

But those threads are rarely used by the members because not much merit sources are active there or they have different standards while giving merits to a post. FIrst of all we have to start giving merits than expecting merits sources to do that or else there won't be any circulation of merits.

[suchmoon]

No no no... C'mon man, I already said that it was a joke. It didn't happen. The original post by theymos is here. Look at the merits. They are the same. I just edited the text in my browser.

Why would you expect reading comprehension from merit beggars... you can see it's only RANK on their mind, fuck post content.

[philipma1957]

Hello...

I have a question which concerned to merit? I came to notice that we have lots of newbies who are trying very hard to get merits here on this BITCOINTALK forum. With lots great topics that contributes and also supports to put this forum in a great shape in future. I believe legendary is the final rank on this forum Right?

Now what is the difference for a legendary to MERIT another legendary who is already a legendary RANKER on this forum, same goes to other SAME Rankers on the forum.

This alone I believe makes few low rank members in the forum ask this questions in their thoughts.

Please your REASONS for this welcomed...

Legit question.

I do any rank that has a good post.

Here is a newbie I did today

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5246518.0


I gave him enough to be a junior member as I am hoping that it will promote mining that specific coin and that his program is as good as it seems.

I am mining with a few cards on that coin even though I mostly mine BTC directly with asics I do mine alt coins.

If you look at my signature you see I like alts and BTC.  So I try to promote ASICs resistant alts.

[bonesjonesreturns]

No no no... C'mon man, I already said that it was a joke. It didn't happen. The original post by theymos is here. Look at the merits. They are the same. I just edited the text in my browser.

Why would you expect reading comprehension from merit beggars... you can see it's only RANK on their mind, fuck post content.

Let's not get off topic and speculate with ad hominem attacks

As we know editing posts is a fav of nutildahs.

Let me explain how it works to the thread starter.

Merit works like this

Merit sources give it out to each other and a few select pals on meta. The core merit cycling gang.
They then use it to give them the power to include each other on DT you need 250 earned merits
They use ensure they have enough to meet all the sig campaigns requirements
They use their self elected Dt and self awarded merits to get into chipmixer
They slather merit to their asslicker chipmixer dreamer newbies or their own alts
They merit starve any members that speaks out against the broken status quo they have gamed
They can now milk all the best rev streams
They can scam others with impunity since they control DT
They scare others from speaking out

Merit is undeniably the worst thing to happen to bitcointalk ever

It supports scammers and crushes free speech

This is all undeniable

Just look at

Merit sources, dt1, chipmixer merit top 20 fans and recipients
Then look at some of the proven scammers and dirty scum bags on DT, with bags of merit and sporting highly paid sigs and running other rev streams here.

So that is why they keep slithering each other in merit while.making sure the 250 earned merits is inclusive

Keep watching how they are begging theymos to increase this lately.

It's all totally obvious and independently verifiable.

I hope that answers your questions but if not I will be happy to explain it further.


Merit had nothing to do with post value. It is merely a tool of control and manipulation.
That may not have been the original intention but that is undeniably how it worked out.

[Timelord2067]

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Once a post has been merited, then the post should be locked and can neither be deleted, nore modified.  @theymos might want to consider making that small modification to the merit system.

Ironically, the current admins of BPIP ( @ibminer and @suchmoon ) have chosen to skewer the merit ranking to include only the earned merits in their ranking system, *but* are happy enough to benefit from the merits they were initially gifted from others when the merit system was created.  It over inflates both their rank on BPIP and their egos.

They then use it to give them the power to include each other on DT you need 250 earned merits

Don't forget for every 250 merits you "earn" count as a vote, so 250 merits = 1 vote... 500 merits = 2 votes and so on.  Being able to gift others 50 merits at a time fast tracks their voting ability.

[KaratX]

I believe that anyone can give other merits of they feel like or if a post is good enough for them, it's not about legendary members sending merits to another legendary member, it's all about the contribution on this forum

[DdmrDdmr]

<...>

This is the merit awarding distribution between ranks (*) for 2020 so far:

https://public.tableau.com/shared/9YT4NW63X?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link

Unfortunately, numbers will be numbers, and they do not provide context to the reasons behind by themselves ...

(*) As of current ranks. Any ranking-ups will drag all merit assignment alongside to the new rank, either as a sender or a receiver.

[Mrengage]

I believe that anyone can give other merits of they feel like or if a post is good enough for them, it's not about legendary members sending merits to another legendary member, it's all about the contribution on this forum

Well said, but in other terms is there no other means the legendary members can be appreciated other than they send each other Merits. It's of no use since they are legendaries already is better to just thank them in other words. Put if other means to appreciate them will be implemented theymos will look forward to it. My own opinion...

[Pmalek]

Well said, but in other terms is there no other means the legendary members can be appreciated other than they send each other Merits.

The rules shouldn't be different just because someone is Legendary. They take part in the merit system equally just like every other rank. They don't need the merits to rank up, unless a new rank is introduced (unlikely) but they award other members with sMerits, and that is what counts.   

[bonesjonesreturns]

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Once a post has been merited, then the post should be locked and can neither be deleted, nore modified.  @theymos might want to consider making that small modification to the merit system.

Ironically, the current admins of BPIP ( @ibminer and @suchmoon ) have chosen to skewer the merit ranking to include only the earned merits in their ranking system, *but* are happy enough to benefit from the merits they were initially gifted from others when the merit system was created.  It over inflates both their rank on BPIP and their egos.

They then use it to give them the power to include each other on DT you need 250 earned merits

Don't forget for every 250 merits you "earn" count as a vote, so 250 merits = 1 vote... 500 merits = 2 votes and so on.  Being able to gift others 50 merits at a time fast tracks their voting ability.

Interesting points there. No wonder they enjoy sending each other bags of merits.

I have often thought the same about locking posts are they have merit. . However the poster should maybe have the option to modify the post if they dont mind losing the merits.
I mean you may prefer to have control over your own posts than retain the merits in some cases.

[mk4]

Merit is undeniably the worst thing to happen to bitcointalk ever

Dude what? The new merit system is undeniably the best update that Bitcointalk had. It's what made Bitcointalk actually more worth reading. If you were here in the bull market of 2017, you'd know what I mean. Back then people would just spam register accounts and grow it effortlessly through activity. Now, only the people who deserve it ranks up.

It supports scammers and crushes free speech

You could still freely post and share your thoughts regardless of rank and merit count.

[Nellayar]

I have the same problem that before that "how can I get a lot of merits like the legendaries that have over 500 merits". The only thing I need to do is only get a lot of knowledge and share into other users. All of the good posts have merit, no matter what is your rank. One of the common mistake of us before is one of our goals is to have merits but that is wrong because we need to have a good quality content post and the merit will automatically come.

There are many principles and ideas had been discussed since merits system launched. I believe that knowledge is virtue and ignorance is vice. However, there is no such thing as an absolute truth. I also working hard to make some progress in this forum. I have searched and learned a lot of information, shared to the forum but I did not get merits. Therefore, you may not guarantee that you have been receiving merit when you already learned and shared it here. Because many of us here may know what will you share. And it some post might you know a quality but for others, it is obsolete.

Uniqueness and creativity are the most important tool in posting in BTT.

For OP, I think it does not matter whether you send merit to your co-rank user. As long as the post has quality.

[STT]

Merit slows down the ranks alot I think so it is kinda dramatic in its effect but that was intended afaik.   I do think the system could be more liquid and so enable more merit, the ratio of decay could be changed from 50%.      The merit is totally for the post not the person exactly so whats been said is correct but I actually already do what you said because its impossible for me to give merit to every post I like or think stands out.
   So I'm very biased towards giving merit to new members, its actually a bit more dangerous to give merit to new members because it raises the chances the post is taken from an article and not original content.    I check maybe a dozen other posts from most people I give merit to, I dont have much to award so when I do I check now.   A couple times Ive given merit to someone who ends up banned and didn't even write that post themselves, so it was wasted merit then which is a major fail.
  If I get merit its very appreciated despite my rank its a compliment of course and the system does let me pass it on, its not just left unused so the OP argument is not really correct

[Saisher]

I wonder same at times, it's much like real world economy where rich gets richer and poor stays poorer.

It's a different case here in Bitcointalk the poor poster will get poorer in merit and the rich in quality poster will continue to be richer in merit, that's the case here in Bitcointalk so newbies need to contribute good posts.

[UserU]

Back then people would just spam register accounts and grow it effortlessly through activity. Now, only the people who deserve it ranks up.

I wonder though, didn't the Merit airdrops achieve the same thing? For example, newbie accounts instantly become Member.

[Snappycoco]

I stand with you. I saw some low quality post by some legendary members but still getting a lot of merits. I also saw some low ranking with High quality post but getting no merit at all.

[DdmrDdmr]

<…> I wonder though, didn't the Merit airdrops achieve the same thing? For example, newbie accounts instantly become Member.

Not really. The Merits airdropped to each account were in accordance to the amount they needed to maintain their rank at the time the Merit System kicked-in (with some Hero exceptions that where airdropped 1K Merits instead of 500 Merits). A Newbie would have remained a Newbie.

<…>

We’ll always see counter-examples of one or another type. Unmerit decent posts may be skipped for whatever reason (not every "good" post is going to be merited), but one can always do something in these cases: Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source .

<…>

Yes, at the time when the Merit System was set in motion, no Merit requirements were set for Jr. Members, so 30 Activity qualified for the rank, but rendered no airdrop merits.

[UserU]

Not really. The Merits airdropped to each account were in accordance to the amount they needed to maintain their rank at the time the Merit System kicked-in (with some Hero exceptions that where airdropped 1K Merits instead of 500 Merits). A Newbie would have remained a Newbie.

I'm not familiar with the old ranking system so don't mind if I ask this.

Based on trant's history thread, the Jr Member would only be minimum requirement to be eligible? That's starting from 30 Activity, right?

[skarais]

Based on trant's history thread, the Jr Member would only be minimum requirement to be eligible? That's starting from 30 Activity, right?

Like newbie, Jr members dont receive airdrop merit when the merit system is applied and they remain in Jr. But a few months later, there was a change and all members of Jr. become newbie and they must get 1 merit to become a member of Jr.

[bonesjonesreturns]

Merit is undeniably the worst thing to happen to bitcointalk ever

Dude what? The new merit system is undeniably the best update that Bitcointalk had. It's what made Bitcointalk actually more worth reading. If you were here in the bull market of 2017, you'd know what I mean. Back then people would just spam register accounts and grow it effortlessly through activity. Now, only the people who deserve it ranks up.

It supports scammers and crushes free speech

You could still freely post and share your thoughts regardless of rank and merit count.

You only have this opinion because you only have a shallow grasp of the merit system and its Implications.
What I have said has been debated several times previously and never been debunked.

The same pattern of mass shitposting naturally subsided after the 2014 bull.

Merits only legitimate purpose is preventing bot and slowing down account farming.
The real damage was done when merit was conflated with trust.
The insoluble problems that merit has created far outweigh the positives that could have been achieved by other means without all of the damage.

Your final point is also misleading.
If I have a gun and point it at your head and instruct you to remain silent then for sure you can still call out if you choose. Nothing is preventing you. There would of course be the small consideration to factor in that I will turn you head into a canoe if you dont consider my feelings on the matter.

Same with merit and merit = trust.

Support the status quo ( which the merit cyclers, self appointed DT chipmixer scammer supporters benefit from )  = merits and no trust absuse

Present undeniable evidence the status quo is gamed and dangerous and crushes free speech = merit starvation and trust abuse


If you would like further reading references before engaging in full debate regarding this then let me know.

As I have said the points I have made about the merit system are irrefutable and undeniable.
In it's current form it is a damaging cancer.

If it would have been left to simply make it harder for bots and account farmers that would have been fine.
It simply wasn't designed suitably for the purpose it was later given.
Hence why it was gamed and abused to be a tool for greed and suppression.

[Timmzzy]

I wonder same at times, it's much like real world economy where rich gets richer and poor stays poorer.

It's a different case here in Bitcointalk the poor poster will get poorer in merit and the rich in quality poster will continue to be richer in merit, that's the case here in Bitcointalk so newbies need to contribute good posts.

Now that's the position of getting rich or getting poor comes in on bitcointalk forum. Let's say everyone is just trying so hard to be in a big position on bitcointalk. But my say is not that, am driving to the point where the rich is still wanting to be rich. If you get what I mean clearly well. Having those Merits is not bad sure it's a good thing but on the contrary where a legendary is stil rewarding a fellow legendary is my question. Which I believe am getting to have some answers Which already states that this how it is till the end.

[NavI_027]

But my say is not that, am driving to the point where the rich is still wanting to be rich.

Nah I don't think so. I highly doubt that the so called "rich" here in our forum continuously want to become richer in merits. Why? Because it's totally useless already. They finally reach the highest rank possible and tons of merits won't bring them farther (unless theymos introduce a new rank). Do not overthink dude, there's no collusion happening between them or whatsoever, Legendary members giving merits to each other is all legal. It just so happened that they're more knowledgeable compare to most of us thus they more appreciate the contributions of one another.

If you are a little bit jelous or really want to belong on such elite group then act like a Legendary as well. That's the only way, good luck .