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May 12, 2020, 09:33:41 AM
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what I am experiencing right now is that it is difficult for me to obtain profits from investments and trade that I do, & is there someone here who has more effective ways for me to be able to improve my trade and investment so that I can get a profit of course, not vice versa I get is continuous loss.

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May 12, 2020, 10:41:18 AM
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It is probably hard for you because you are doing a lot of things. Just try to focus on one thing either purely investment or trading alone. Because if you are focusing on one thing at a time you can eventually increase your knowledge and surely you can master your strategy. And now, please ask yourself which actually you want to explore first or the thing you are preferred of, then you could see the difference.
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May 12, 2020, 11:40:29 AM
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OP, with Bitcoin? Easy! Buy the dip, and HODL.

I believe, without leverage, active altcoin trading would give you profits less than if you simply bought the Bitcoin dips and held.

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May 12, 2020, 12:42:14 PM
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what I am experiencing right now is that it is difficult for me to obtain profits from investments and trade that I do, & is there someone here who has more effective ways for me to be able to improve my trade and investment so that I can get a profit of course, not vice versa I get is continuous loss.

Trading in crypto at the moment is really getting harder for real in the market. For sure even the expert one was also facing difficulty in technical analysis in terms of implementation for them to earn crypto or bitcoin, But if you do really have an idea and skills in trading the difficulty could possibly minimal only I guess.
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May 12, 2020, 12:46:36 PM
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Two angle to your challenges and solution like an advise I want to give. Trading and investment are not same thing . So when you investment, like buying a coin. In this the growth is not decision by you, meaning you have no control of how it can grow.
On the other which is trading, this is dependent on you. If you are losing in your trading, then either you learn more to change your strategy or you stop. Maybe is not your calling  Shocked

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May 12, 2020, 01:50:40 PM
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When you learned trading just by the surface and not understanding the fundamentals it would surely lead to continuous loss until you decide to forfeit.
I think you should better try the basics if you haven't fully mastered the strategy and techniques in trading, i suggest reading some materials or watching Crypto traders to know what their methods and process when it comes to different market conditions.

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May 12, 2020, 02:44:15 PM
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Investment and trading probably give you two different profit.

For with investment once you buy a bitcoin or other altcoins the profit will depend on what will be the value of your coins by the time you decided to exchange it while with trading you may earn and increase your total asset if you win in this career. However, you might just need to learn strategies and basic knowledge for you to succeed in this field.

IMO, it is normal that along the way you may experience failure but that will be your best teacher and will let you know what to do next if a similar situation happens besides trading is a risk that you'll take in order for you to earn and learn how to deal on different challenges.
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May 12, 2020, 03:16:49 PM
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It's not difficult if you study first, try to understand the market situation that occurs, trading is not just buying and selling. Investment is not just putting a large fund in a project.

Needing the ability to analyze and find the right time to trade and invest, I suggest you always learn and the failure you get is a process that must be passed. But if you are tired, there is time to take a break to stay mentally healthy.
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May 12, 2020, 03:36:24 PM
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is there someone here who has more effective ways for me to be able to improve my trade and investment so that I can get a profit of course, not vice versa I get is continuous loss.
One of the proven solution to make profits by trading or long term holding is educating yourself before going to risk your capital. There are 1000s of youtube videos are available for that purposes. If you have no time for making use of them, then you can blindly buy and hold bitcoins for months to year. As per many experts, 2021 will be the repeation of 2017 and 2013. So, this must be the most right time to buy and hold.

Buy and hold will fulfill your investment needs. But, you cannot active trade bitcoins profitably if you do not have sufficient skills. I mean you may for go for investments and may skip trading. If you are serious about trading then go trading bitcoins for short term after having 90% of bitcoins for long term holding.
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May 12, 2020, 03:57:41 PM
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what I am experiencing right now is that it is difficult for me to obtain profits from investments and trade that I do, & is there someone here who has more effective ways for me to be able to improve my trade and investment so that I can get a profit of course, not vice versa I get is continuous loss.
You are not the only one OP that experience difficulty. Profits is not easy to earn on trading, there are lots of style on trading but the best one is just hold and sell when you already on green mode. Im not gonna advise you to do, different method from arbitrage trading, futures, and leverage these are really high risk type of trading, some even loss fortune due to incapability to foreseen market movement. But simply does not exempt from risking your fund right? If you wanna gain some profits then you must able to risk in order to gain. No balls people cannot gain any profits if their only concern is not to lose. You should always prefer for worse, cryptomarket is very volatile and it could give you a heart attack if you dont do it well.

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May 12, 2020, 04:30:10 PM
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There is a better way to invest and profit but its going to hurt your patience particularly for the day traders. Its often said that trend is your friend so its just how its going to be when you chose your trade. Its hard to keep trading when you really dont know when the price is going to spike but you will always know when there will b a bullrun and that's a good time to trade.

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May 12, 2020, 10:10:53 PM
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what I am experiencing right now is that it is difficult for me to obtain profits from investments and trade that I do, & is there someone here who has more effective ways for me to be able to improve my trade and investment so that I can get a profit of course, not vice versa I get is continuous loss.

In situations as this, the first to find out the routine of your losses, do they folllw the same pattern? If yes, you need to revisit your trading strategies, if no, then you need to figure what you are doing wrongly.

Trading and investment are easy, if we learn from the mistakes we make
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May 12, 2020, 10:36:34 PM
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what I am experiencing right now is that it is difficult for me to obtain profits from investments and trade that I do, & is there someone here who has more effective ways for me to be able to improve my trade and investment so that I can get a profit of course, not vice versa I get is continuous loss.
Which pair you choosed to do trade. After select a good exchange, next steps is good pairs. You should involve with several pairs for your best experience. Without huge bull market one pair coin has the highest risk. Use some free USD that's USD offer by some exchange. Hope this free USD will improve your trade skills.
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May 12, 2020, 10:38:30 PM
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what I am experiencing right now is that it is difficult for me to obtain profits from investments and trade that I do, & is there someone here who has more effective ways for me to be able to improve my trade and investment so that I can get a profit of course, not vice versa I get is continuous loss.

Yeah when market carry lots of useless projects than proper ones then you might see lot of trouble in investment sector. Every week we saw many projects are coming in crypto industry but may be 5% are legit or standards. So it's not surprised that if you are in trouble with your investment now days.

Same for trading sector cause when market continuously going with bear side people get loss. But in trading i guess you can do much better than investing to achieved more experience. Every sector have two side, bad one and good one. And i believe always good things happens after the bad one. So stay tight and be patience for your final result.
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May 12, 2020, 11:41:43 PM
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what I am experiencing right now is that it is difficult for me to obtain profits from investments and trade that I do, & is there someone here who has more effective ways for me to be able to improve my trade and investment so that I can get a profit of course, not vice versa I get is continuous loss.

I think this is the current predicament of virtually everyone in the market currently. Whatever ever investment option you choose, the profit yield margin is getting thinner and thinner with each day.  I just hope we will see more of massive green candles soon

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May 12, 2020, 11:59:07 PM
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what I am experiencing right now is that it is difficult for me to obtain profits from investments and trade that I do, & is there someone here who has more effective ways for me to be able to improve my trade and investment so that I can get a profit of course, not vice versa I get is continuous loss.

I think this is the current predicament of virtually everyone in the market currently. Whatever ever investment option you choose, the profit yield margin is getting thinner and thinner with each day.  I just hope we will see more of massive green candles soon
Profit making as of these days is now getting harder so always make the best of it. Try to evaluate yourself on which option you want to focus so you will have more time in studying those strategies and be skilled on it. Do not be confuse on those two things. Learn by them one at a time so you can stop from making continuous losses.
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May 13, 2020, 05:33:09 AM
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While others are gaining thru trading and you are at loss all the time, then reflect and spot which field do you tend to do wrong. Maybe you are lacking of something or misinterpreting the way technical analysis should properly read.

You can do some journal or a trading plan so you may know what should you add in your trading. There are more tools that you may need to learn since trading is not an easy like many think it is.
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May 13, 2020, 05:42:42 AM
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That is the reason why we should able to adapt market changes, there is no forever donwtrend and there is also no forever uptrend. Prices moves in a wave pattern, for those traders who have having hard time to make profit while bear market is occurring, it is better if you will wait or to practice more downtrend strategies.

Trading is like a battle or a war where if you go unprepared, you will be slaughtered. It is good if we are aware on our inner strength that we can use to become profitable even if the bearish market is occurring.
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May 13, 2020, 06:32:54 AM
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When you learned trading just by the surface and not understanding the fundamentals it would surely lead to continuous loss until you decide to forfeit.

Every losses are important because it will serve as a lesson for you, so every time you lose in trading, you should understand and comprehend the reason of your losses. You should treat every mistakes as a lesson for you to become better and grow more in trading. Never give up but make yourself stronger and recovered from this losses that you've encountered.

Fundamentals are necessary most especially if you try to practice them in a trading, sometimes you need an actual trading for you to know what circumstances you should apply those strategies. Practice make things perfect and you should enhanced the use of fundamentals in trading so that you will become more effective in it.

I think you should better try the basics if you haven't fully mastered the strategy and techniques in trading, i suggest reading some materials or watching Crypto traders to know what their methods and process when it comes to different market conditions.

You can master it once you're already applying it in an actual trading transactions because in that circumstances, you will know the suitable strategy depending on the situation in the market. Like what I've said, advice from professional trader or people who are an effective trader is enough for you to realize the things in the market.

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May 13, 2020, 06:42:02 AM
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Maybe the reason that your investments and trades are not bearing fruit is that you lack patience, especially in the investment route, having a quick buck there does not come easy, there will be compound interests that will only get bigger as time goes by, when you trade patience helps you make good decisions like selling out the investment when it dips too far. The other reason might be that you are making investing and trading your job which at first will never be fruitful, have a job that sustains the basic needs then set aside the money that you use for trading and investment.

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