Medical experts within the Trump Administration want a slow reoopening

[BADecker]

If there is any indecision about a fast opening, all they have to do is imprison and execute their so-called medical experts. Then there won't be anyone opposing their opening.

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Just a quick note - I believe this was in response to Fauci's assertion that the kids shouldn't go back to school until after we have a vaccine, eg stay out the whole year that STARTS august/September.

kids dont really like school and can learn from home.. so what i believe really is the big question about schools that most are concerned about.. who will babysit the kids so parents can go back to work

i believe the best option is for normal 'workbook' stuff kids can do remote learning. and only go into school to do 'practical' lessons thus only need a third of peoples in school at any time. which should allow social distancing layouts of classrooms.
but to still be reactive to any flare ups to avoid it becoming a full on hotzone
this ofcourse would cause alot of issues with childcare.
so secondary/highschool kids could to more remote learning as they are old enough to look after themselves (parents just put a banknote on the kitchen table to buy a pizza for dinner).
and make schools more manageable for the younger students in primary/elementary years to support the younger years to stay in hospital as much as possible.

i still think whether kids go to school full time or part time there will be a point of needing to manage the flare ups and using different facilities to 'babysit' kids. other wise the parents will find it harder to get back to work..

You are reaching a conclusion based on reasonable premises but uncertainty in the data.

It does not pass a common sense test.

[squatz1]

Trump recently spoke to reporters and rebuked Faucis testimony, stating that he didn't agree with what Fauci had to say regarding opening the economy and that criticized his responses multiple times. I honestly don't see this as a winning strategy, people do want the economy open (everyone does!) but when you the experts in infectious diseases / medicine coming out and saying that if you are to go to fast, there is going to be unnecessary death and destruction, then I'd much rather side with the experts.

Slow walk the opening. Listen to science, and ensure that you're hitting the health metrics to begin opening the economy (like a place like NY has done) That's the best thing to do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/us/politics/fauci-trump-coronavirus.html

[Spendulus]

Trump recently spoke to reporters and rebuked Faucis testimony, stating that he didn't agree with what Fauci had to say regarding opening the economy and that criticized his responses multiple times. I honestly don't see this as a winning strategy, people do want the economy open (everyone does!) but when you the experts in infectious diseases / medicine coming out and saying that if you are to go to fast, there is going to be unnecessary death and destruction, then I'd much rather side with the experts....

When I see those "experts" obeying their own advice to the masses and not going to hair salons and getting haircuts because those places are closed (except for them) I might pay more attention to them.

[BADecker]

Now even the media is waking up to the fact that it can't hide the medical Covid scam any longer.

The real danger is the unemployment. Do you know how to manufacture your own gunpowder and reload your spent shells?


WAKE-UP, Donald! Your Malpracticing Doctors Are the Real Killers

If you don't think the fix is in, please take note of the big news of the morning. Namely, that the allegedly ultra-busy Dr. Fauci had time last evening to ping Sheryl Gay Stolberg, correspondent for the "failing New York Times", in order to dump a VLCC size tanker-load of cold water on the urgent need to end Lockdown Nation, now.

In a nanosecond, of course, Stolberg was on Twitter and on-line with Fauci's stern admonition to the restless natives of Flyover America to shut-up and stay put. That way the entire MSM had plenty of time to crank-up a feverish barrage of messaging during Fauci's actual Senate appearance as to how Red State governors are jumping the gun and putting life and limp in danger throughout the country:

"The major message that I wish to convey to the Senate HLP committee tomorrow is the danger of trying to open the country prematurely," Fauci wrote in the email, which Stolberg posted on Twitter.

"If we skip over the checkpoints in the guidelines to: 'Open America Again,' then we risk the danger of multiple outbreaks throughout the country. This will not only result in needless suffering and death, but would actually set us back on our quest to return to normal," wrote Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

For god's sake, WAKE UP, Donald!

The mad doctor's plot against you (and the American people) is being played out right in public by a camarilla of wanna be public health rulers and their compliant media megaphones, who presume to control all that moves and all that stands still in America.

But for crying out loud, where does this supercilious old geezer come up with "needless suffering and death" if American workers, students, shoppers and consumers are let out of house arrest?

Were not Friday's catastrophic employment numbers a sufficient wake-up call?

The chart below shows 70 years of monthly change in total US employment. How damn stupid does someone have to be to not recognize that Lockdown Nation has caused the US economy to plunge into such unfathomably deep waters that they have never before even been imagined.

The deepest monthly drop we can find over seven decades is the 1.2 million job loss at the very darkest bottom of the Great Recession in January 2009. But what the Donald's malpracticing doctors triggered last month was 19X deeper at 22. 4 million.

[Gyfts]

Trump recently spoke to reporters and rebuked Faucis testimony, stating that he didn't agree with what Fauci had to say regarding opening the economy and that criticized his responses multiple times. I honestly don't see this as a winning strategy, people do want the economy open (everyone does!) but when you the experts in infectious diseases / medicine coming out and saying that if you are to go to fast, there is going to be unnecessary death and destruction, then I'd much rather side with the experts.

Slow walk the opening. Listen to science, and ensure that you're hitting the health metrics to begin opening the economy (like a place like NY has done) That's the best thing to do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/us/politics/fauci-trump-coronavirus.html

People need to make a distinction between public policy makers and public health experts. As a public policy maker, they look at the experts to make informed decisions which mitigate risk in forming public policy. Dr. Fauci is an epidemiologist and MD, so of course he's going to say that there is risk in reopening the economy with increased infections and deaths. We knew this prior to his testimony.

A public policy maker needs to balance what scientists are saying and consider other factors that transcend medicine including the economy, including social issues, including education issues, ect. As a result of the economy being closed, suicide hotlines have increased their activity by nearly 900%. More kids are now reportedly missing meals, more kids are not going to the doctors to get vaccines, more parents are missing meals, and the economy will take over 10 years to recover. With schools being closed, some kids are going to experience reduced learning because their parents might not be able to teach them. The government has to consider all of these factors, not just the uptick in cases when reopening.

A doctor like Fauci has an expertise in one domain and his testimony is important. But only factoring increased transmission rates of coronavirus when considering opening the economy isn't the end all be all. There's more to it. When you reopen, you need a balanced approach with mitigation.

[squatz1]

Trump recently spoke to reporters and rebuked Faucis testimony, stating that he didn't agree with what Fauci had to say regarding opening the economy and that criticized his responses multiple times. I honestly don't see this as a winning strategy, people do want the economy open (everyone does!) but when you the experts in infectious diseases / medicine coming out and saying that if you are to go to fast, there is going to be unnecessary death and destruction, then I'd much rather side with the experts....

When I see those "experts" obeying their own advice to the masses and not going to hair salons and getting haircuts because those places are closed (except for them) I might pay more attention to them.

Article link? I'm guessing this is apart of a larger confirmed story.

Trump recently spoke to reporters and rebuked Faucis testimony, stating that he didn't agree with what Fauci had to say regarding opening the economy and that criticized his responses multiple times. I honestly don't see this as a winning strategy, people do want the economy open (everyone does!) but when you the experts in infectious diseases / medicine coming out and saying that if you are to go to fast, there is going to be unnecessary death and destruction, then I'd much rather side with the experts.

Slow walk the opening. Listen to science, and ensure that you're hitting the health metrics to begin opening the economy (like a place like NY has done) That's the best thing to do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/us/politics/fauci-trump-coronavirus.html

People need to make a distinction between public policy makers and public health experts. As a public policy maker, they look at the experts to make informed decisions which mitigate risk in forming public policy. Dr. Fauci is an epidemiologist and MD, so of course he's going to say that there is risk in reopening the economy with increased infections and deaths. We knew this prior to his testimony.

A public policy maker needs to balance what scientists are saying and consider other factors that transcend medicine including the economy, including social issues, including education issues, ect. As a result of the economy being closed, suicide hotlines have increased their activity by nearly 900%. More kids are now reportedly missing meals, more kids are not going to the doctors to get vaccines, more parents are missing meals, and the economy will take over 10 years to recover. With schools being closed, some kids are going to experience reduced learning because their parents might not be able to teach them. The government has to consider all of these factors, not just the uptick in cases when reopening.

A doctor like Fauci has an expertise in one domain and his testimony is important. But only factoring increased transmission rates of coronavirus when considering opening the economy isn't the end all be all. There's more to it. When you reopen, you need a balanced approach with mitigation.

100% I agree with ya. I've said this time and time again. Fauci isn't an expert in economics, but is an expert in the medical field and we should take what he says about the medical field as truth. It is up to the policy makers (politicans) to balance these out -- right again -- but I do think Fauci is trying to show the public that Trump is straying too far to the side of economics, and needs to come further to the middle to seek out that balance.

+Merited man.

[BADecker]

Trump recently spoke to reporters and rebuked Faucis testimony, stating that he didn't agree with what Fauci had to say regarding opening the economy and that criticized his responses multiple times. I honestly don't see this as a winning strategy, people do want the economy open (everyone does!) but when you the experts in infectious diseases / medicine coming out and saying that if you are to go to fast, there is going to be unnecessary death and destruction, then I'd much rather side with the experts.

Slow walk the opening. Listen to science, and ensure that you're hitting the health metrics to begin opening the economy (like a place like NY has done) That's the best thing to do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/us/politics/fauci-trump-coronavirus.html

People need to make a distinction between public policy makers and public health experts. As a public policy maker, they look at the experts to make informed decisions which mitigate risk in forming public policy. Dr. Fauci is an epidemiologist and MD, so of course he's going to say that there is risk in reopening the economy with increased infections and deaths. We knew this prior to his testimony.

A public policy maker needs to balance what scientists are saying and consider other factors that transcend medicine including the economy, including social issues, including education issues, ect. As a result of the economy being closed, suicide hotlines have increased their activity by nearly 900%. More kids are now reportedly missing meals, more kids are not going to the doctors to get vaccines, more parents are missing meals, and the economy will take over 10 years to recover. With schools being closed, some kids are going to experience reduced learning because their parents might not be able to teach them. The government has to consider all of these factors, not just the uptick in cases when reopening.

A doctor like Fauci has an expertise in one domain and his testimony is important. But only factoring increased transmission rates of coronavirus when considering opening the economy isn't the end all be all. There's more to it. When you reopen, you need a balanced approach with mitigation.

The interesting point about this has to do with politicians-liars. Most of us recognize that most politicians are liars by trade... just to get into office. I mean, when do they ever do what they promoted in their platform when they ran for office? And if they say that they were held back by the rest of government, they absolutely knew ahead of time that they would be held back. So, they were lying throughout their whole campaign.

The point of politician-liars is this. Being what they are, they easily recognize other liars when they see them. This brings us to the question about doctors, medical experts, and Fauci being liars. What do I mean? One of two things is happening:
1. The medical people are telling the truth;
2. The medical people are lying, and the politicians are going right along with them.

This means that we need to go to other places to tell if the medical leaders are lying. And that is exactly what we have done. We have a whole bunch of references right in this forum that show that the medical leaders are lying. Look at what TECSHARE, Tash, tvbcof, myself, and others have been posting. Simply click on our handles, go to the bottom of the page that comes up, and click on "Show the last posts of this person." Then click all the video links to see the medical lies.

The medical leader lies are important. But here is what is really important. THE GOVERNMENTAL LEADERS ABSOLUTELY KNOW THAT THE MEDICAL LEADERS ARE LYING. How do they know? They are liars themselves, and totally understand about lies and what goes into a liar and when he is lying and when he isn't.

It's this easy way that we can tell that there is a coup against the freedom of the people going on. And it is formal government that is doing it.

[TECSHARE]

I just think with this amount of time this guy has been in government, and the amount of praise that he has, would make it clear that his sole intention is to try to help people.

Hitler had a lot of praise, I guess his sole intention was helping people too based on that logic.

A public policy maker needs to balance what scientists are saying and consider other factors that transcend medicine including the economy, including social issues, including education issues, ect. As a result of the economy being closed, suicide hotlines have increased their activity by nearly 900%. More kids are now reportedly missing meals, more kids are not going to the doctors to get vaccines, more parents are missing meals, and the economy will take over 10 years to recover. With schools being closed, some kids are going to experience reduced learning because their parents might not be able to teach them.

Don't worry, SaltySpitoon assures me they have calculated absolutely all of this and have planned for every macroeconomic eventuality. Just ignore the imploding economy that could realistically kill hundreds of millions across the world. A few hundred thousand people with serious preexisting conditions may die, so it is totally worth it!

[Spendulus]

...Fauci isn't an expert in economics, but is an expert in the medical field and we should take what he says about the medical field as truth....

Not just "no but hell no."

I don't know any docs that think like that.

And he's not in any sense an expert in the medical field.

Talk to some practicing physicians.

[squatz1]

...Fauci isn't an expert in economics, but is an expert in the medical field and we should take what he says about the medical field as truth....

Not just "no but hell no."

I don't know any docs that think like that.

And he's not in any sense an expert in the medical field.

Talk to some practicing physicians.

Maybe as truth wasn't the right word. Because at the end of the day whatever Fauci says is his opinion, though I do think that he is an expert in his field and many other people think the same. Unsure on why you have such an issue with the guy, he's literally been in this position for like 40 years now. Tons of papers published in the topic, tons of recognition and honorary degrees, and so on.

What is a practicing physician going to help me with when I'm dealing with a global pandemic?

[BADecker]

Government is setting Fauci up in such a way that they have a scapegoat later if necessary.

[TECSHARE]

Maybe as truth wasn't the right word. Because at the end of the day whatever Fauci says is his opinion, though I do think that he is an expert in his field and many other people think the same. Unsure on why you have such an issue with the guy, he's literally been in this position for like 40 years now. Tons of papers published in the topic, tons of recognition and honorary degrees, and so on.

What is a practicing physician going to help me with when I'm dealing with a global pandemic?

Honorary degrees don't magically impart knowledge upon the recipient. Neither does recognition. Also there are accusations he stole a lot of the credit for the papers he published. Back to the Hitler analogy, he is probably one of the most recognized people in the world. Maybe we should dig up his bones and ask him how to handle it? Fauci is a politician, he is an expert on being full of shit like the vast majority of politicians.

[Spendulus]

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What is a practicing physician going to help me with when I'm dealing with a global pandemic?

Things that actually help you?

[SaltySpitoon]

Don't worry, SaltySpitoon assures me they have calculated absolutely all of this and have planned for every macroeconomic eventuality. Just ignore the imploding economy that could realistically kill hundreds of millions across the world. A few hundred thousand people with serious preexisting conditions may die, so it is totally worth it!

Nah don't worry I'm on your side now actually. I'm down with putting on the plague mask and burning down houses with those infected inside of them to stop the infection like the good ole days when we didn't have medical professionals to boss us around. I don't actually trust that anyone knows how the economy works, so I'm just asking people how many times they've had money in the past week and relying on that rather than teams of experts with sophisticated modeling software that've been doing this for decades. Those jerks that make economic predictions based on billions of datapoints and millions of variables every week to determine what stocks to buy and advise the government on interest rates, and various other actions are witches as far as I'm concerned.

[Spendulus]

Don't worry, SaltySpitoon assures me they have calculated absolutely all of this and have planned for every macroeconomic eventuality. Just ignore the imploding economy that could realistically kill hundreds of millions across the world. A few hundred thousand people with serious preexisting conditions may die, so it is totally worth it!

Nah don't worry I'm on your side now actually. I'm down with putting on the plague mask and burning down houses with those infected inside of them to stop the infection like the good ole days when we didn't have medical professionals to boss us around. I don't actually trust that anyone knows how the economy works, so I'm just asking people how many times they've had money in the past week and relying on that rather than teams of experts with sophisticated modeling software that've been doing this for decades. Those jerks that make economic predictions based on billions of datapoints and millions of variables every week to determine what stocks to buy and advise the government on interest rates, and various other actions are witches as far as I'm concerned.

Most of those trillions printed stayed in Washington DC and or went to pretty big companies. You think maybe they could pull that off a couple more times?

[SaltySpitoon]

Most of those trillions printed stayed in Washington DC and or went to pretty big companies. You think maybe they could pull that off a couple more times?

I bet they'll give it a try. I frankly don't understand how the federal reserve works. I share the sentiment of a lot of people here in thinking that fiat isn't stable, yet it keeps surprising me and managing to avoid the devastating effects common sense would leave you expecting through all of the recent rounds of quantitative easing, financial policy that I guess I just don't get, and other "strategic money printing". Fiat works just fine as a short term exchange medium I guess? My uninformed guess is that the fraction that was paid out to individuals in the stimulus bill will be used as an excuse to retrieve the full amount back in increased taxes, funneling money to buy corporate handjobs and lobby support, but I could be pleasantly surprised. Paying out 600 billion as an excuse to recollect 2 trillion seems like a good business model.

[TECSHARE]

Most of those trillions printed stayed in Washington DC and or went to pretty big companies. You think maybe they could pull that off a couple more times?

I bet they'll give it a try. I frankly don't understand how the federal reserve works. I share the sentiment of a lot of people here in thinking that fiat isn't stable, yet it keeps surprising me and managing to avoid the devastating effects common sense would leave you expecting through all of the recent rounds of quantitative easing, financial policy that I guess I just don't get, and other "strategic money printing". Fiat works just fine as a short term exchange medium I guess? My uninformed guess is that the fraction that was paid out to individuals in the stimulus bill will be used as an excuse to retrieve the full amount back in increased taxes, funneling money to buy corporate handjobs and lobby support, but I could be pleasantly surprised. Paying out 600 billion as an excuse to recollect 2 trillion seems like a good business model.

As some one who is admittedly ignorant how our system of economics works, you seem rather assured that all these unnamed experts know what they are doing and some how are able to centrally plan out our economy on a macroeconomic scale on such short notice when all attempts to do so throughout all of human history have failed so spectacularly. It is almost as if you have no facts to support your argument and are relying completely on appeal to authority. Pay no attention to the economy crumbling around us, the government is here to help.

[SaltySpitoon]

As some one who is admittedly ignorant how our system of economics works, you seem rather assured that all these unnamed experts know what they are doing and some how are able to centrally plan out our economy on a macroeconomic scale on such short notice when all attempts to do so throughout all of human history have failed so spectacularly. It is almost as if you have no facts to support your argument and are relying completely on appeal to authority. Pay no attention to the economy crumbling around us, the government is here to help.

You are correct! Economics isn't my forte, so I rely on millions of people who do understand economics to create economic policy. I don't understand 100% of the Bitcoin code, so I rely on all of the other people who understand it to point out if there is a problem. What you call appeal to authority is just how humans overcome the fact that we don't live long enough to gather mastery of all subject matters. Every time you drive over a bridge without researching and understanding all of the structural properties, you are by your own definition "appealing to authority" by trusting the engineers who built the bridge to keep you safe.

I believe the government is here to screw us over when it benefits them. If it doesn't benefit them, I have no reason to believe that they're acting dishonestly. Again, it is in the government's best interest to aim for the best possible financial outcome. I do not have the manpower or resources to adequately collect the data to model the intersection between financial damage from the shutdown and projection of financial damage from unchecked Covid19. If you do, I'd completely unsarcastically love to see your predictions if you care to explain them. I don't wholeheartedly pledge my allegiance to the government, I acknowledge that it has the ability to coordinate efforts between large groups of people that do know what they're doing to collect the data necessary to make a plan. The entirety of your point is that we shouldn't trust the government because they're the government. its somehow a bad thing to listen to people who have expertise in something you don't. I trust the consensus of the medical community. I value the consensus of the business community. I believe that the government has the ability to use its own people to verify the consensus of the medical community (the CDC for example) to come to a decision about the outlook of Covid from the medical community (and its own economic advisors). It then takes that input, and crunches the numbers to come to a plan on the best possible solution. Why? Because thats their job... when people have a job to do, if they don't have any reason to do it dishonestly they typically dont.

[BADecker]

^^^ A simple mistake in your thinking about government is that if it doesn't benefit them, that they might be honest.

Accidents happen. You remember the saying, "Give a monkey a typewriter, and he'll type a word sooner or later." It's the same with government. Give them control, and they will do something honest sooner or later.

But their whole goal is to get more control, even if they have to give up a little control, at times, to get it.