corona virus death count compared with driving deaths

[KingScorpio]

according to this animation on shity cnn

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/14/world/coronavirus-global-death-toll-300000-intl/index.html

betweeen 22. january and 14 may which is today 301.937 people died in 113 days https://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?d1=22&m1=01&y1=2020&d2=14&m2=05&y2=2020

thats

301'937/113 = 2'672 people per day

as a rate for a planet with a population around 7.8 billion,

this is a daily death rate of

2672/7800= 0.34 daily deaths per million

now considering that a nation like the usa has 200 traffic deaths per day with a population of 320.000 million people
thats

200/320 = 0.625 daily deaths per million

this means corona kills around half as many people per day as the traffic of an industrialised nation like the usa.

thats not much.

[BADecker]

Coronavirus deaths ARE driving deaths. Since they said that you can call just about any death a Covid death, they are DRIVING the Covid deaths up... driving deaths.

[KingScorpio]

Coronavirus deaths ARE driving deaths. Since they said that you can call just about any death a Covid death, they are DRIVING the Covid deaths up... driving deaths.

covid doesn't kill enough people to be relevant,

we are either in a panic for what could happen or we are panicing far to much over somthing insignificant

[franky1]

shows how self isolation curbed the spread before it outpaced traffic deaths.
your forgetting what self isolation done. and didnt factor that into your math

at an r0 of 2.6 and if self isolation was delayed by just a few more weeks. you would not be whistling the same tune

[Mpamaegbu]

Frankly speaking (well, writing actually), I don't see how scary deaths from driving can get though. Even if it outpaces the rate of death from Coronavirus. Despite road accidents and mishaps, a lot of people still buy automobiles and learn driving daily. Commuters aren't scared a bit. But for Coronavirus, people are scared the heck of going out and want to stick to self isolation and social distancing just to curb it. There is Coronavirus fright in the land.

[TECSHARE]

Clearly we need to ban cars until there are zero traffic deaths.

[franky1]

clearly there is enough emergency room bed and operating rooms for car accidents. but when there is not enough ICU beds with CPAP and ventilators. then the choices were to either get more capacity in january/february.. of get people to stop contracting the virus.

obviously they didnt rush to give hospitals extra capacity.

now imagine if you realised for every car that passes you. 30 will be fine 50 will have a mild 'fender bender' 20 will result in needing hospital treatment.
well then once you get to a few thousand road traffic victims a day in hospital, you start to realise that a driving restriction would need to be implemented. where the very minimum is to get people to stick to a '2 second rule' and avoid tailgating eachother
(2 second rule. look for a roadside landmark(sign/object) ahead of the car infront. when it passes car infront start counting. if you pass it before you count to 2 seconds. your too close)

though less people per million die due to car accidents than what covid could kill without isolation.. but cars are not free to drive at any speed... cars have speed restrictions, cars have seatbelts. drivers take DriversEd to learn how to be responsible. there are rules to not just bump into people and even signs telling drivers when to stop and go to avoid pumping into people.

so if you think cars are limitless utility. you obviously forgot all the safety precautions cars have.. because you have accepted it as the norm.

im still shocked that capitalist america hasnt tried cashing in on human/public liability insurance for bumping into people
i can see it already. track and trace used to sue/insurance claim against the person that bumped into you and passed you covid

[BADecker]

shows how self isolation curbed the spread before it outpaced traffic deaths.
your forgetting what self isolation done. and didnt factor that into your math

at an r0 of 2.6 and if self isolation was delayed by just a few more weeks. you would not be whistling the same tune

Try curbing a car that is racing along at 60 mph. You could easily wind up with an accident and deaths.

Same with people going into isolation out of fear and panic.

When the REAL stats come out, we will find far more deaths from isolation curbing than if the car missed the curb altogether.

[johhnyUA]

Clearly we need to ban cars until there are zero traffic deaths.

 

Many people can't understand this one simple truth.

Also, i don't know did you think about that, but it's very funny to see how government react to all this situation: there was a chance to avoid all of this, if EU, USA and other countries would ban air traffic with China. Like Taiwan has done (and yeah, in Taiwan there only 600 ill people for all the time). But government was affected by air company lobbies which didn't want to lose big profits (it's funny that now they losing much more day after day, heh).

So, for clever people it's obvious that government can be into two main conditions: Ignore everything and closing his eyes to problem or overreacting, creating some kind of soviet GULAG . "Great", yeah  

[akram143]

And more to it, people who died from corona virus are already having some chronic diseases so that actual deaths per million is much lesser than we calculated.

Clearly we need to ban cars until there are zero traffic deaths.

 

Many people can't understand this one simple truth.

Hope every country will consider this idea.

[BADecker]

And more to it, people who died from corona virus are already having some chronic diseases so that actual deaths per million is much lesser than we calculated.

Clearly we need to ban cars until there are zero traffic deaths.

 

Many people can't understand this one simple truth.

Hope every country will consider this idea.

Naw. They should get rid of V-8s, and put jet engines on cars.

 

[IIV]

Another thing to consider is the % of population that are exposed to this risk. Driving accidents would be a data from about 90% of world population and the population that are in virus prone areas are still below 50.

[BADecker]

Driving deaths are simply part of total deaths. Driving deaths are far below deaths of people under medical care.

People are not entirely stupid. When they hear about a driving death, they slow down, and make sure their kids have their seat belts on. Driving deaths are as low as they are because people are being careful.

The only reason why government is interested in keeping people from dying is, the more the people, the more the workers. The more the workers, the more the paid workers. The more the paid workers, the more the income tax money.

If government really cared about people, they wouldn't have required that Covid positive people be sent to nursing homes where Covid negative people were living.

So we see. On the one hand government cares about keeping people alive so to get more money. On the other hand, government goes about euthanizing people to keep from losing money... nursing home patients.

[franky1]

what badecker does not realise about nursing homes is that most deaths are due to them getting it but not being medically treated because they signed a 'do not intervene/resuscitate' order

thus a hospital sends them back to a nursing home for palliative care

this is actually one thing that badecker could have (if he caught up to current news) about how some nursing homes have actually re-reviewed their residents care plans and put people on these do not resuscitate/palliative care plans

also that US government did not plan anything in february/march to actually organise nursing homes to be more suitable.. (heck neither did UK really)

...
and last to note. people dont go to hospital healthy and request treatment to make them sick... they instead are sick first and go to hospital to improve the odds of recovery.
in short. more people would die without treatment.

hense the lockdown. to keep people at a distance from each other to reduce how many get sick so that hospitals dont get overwhelmed so that there is enough capacity to treat and improve the odds of recovery for those limited amount that do get sick.
without lockdown soo many more would get sick faster and overwhelm the hospitals leaving people untreated and dying in hoards of numbers due to not even being given oxygen. let alone any pain meds or other medications to help

[coolcoinz]

shows how self isolation curbed the spread before it outpaced traffic deaths.
your forgetting what self isolation done. and didnt factor that into your math

at an r0 of 2.6 and if self isolation was delayed by just a few more weeks. you would not be whistling the same tune

Self isolation? That doesn't work at all!
We have this so called isolation in the EU and I watch it fail every single day.
Store clerks are forced to work in face masks, but it's impossible to do it 8 hours a day when the temperature is 25*C or more so they keep it half way down, they take it off whenever they can to get some air... If there really was a virus in the store they'd get sick sooner or later.
I can see people buying food in gloves, but then they take those gloves off and put products in their fridges and cupboards. How many people disinfect their kitchen cabinets and fridges every time they bring something new from the store? How many people disinfect their shoes, cars after coming back grom the store?
The truth is that most of us already got sick and recovered, but we don't know it because most people don't test themselves if they don't feel bad. The Covid statistics are artificially inflated.

[Naida_BR]

It is not the same thing. It is like comparing Watermelons with apricots.
Driving deaths are not contagious. It is an incident that is caused by people's acts and that's all. On the other hand, you are getting infected by coronavirus without causing it.

[BADecker]

Driving deaths are simply part of total deaths. Driving deaths are far below deaths of people under medical care.

People are not entirely stupid. When they hear about a driving death, they slow down, and make sure their kids have their seat belts on. Driving deaths are as low as they are because people are being careful.

The only reason why government is interested in keeping people from dying is, the more the people, the more the workers. The more the workers, the more the paid workers. The more the paid workers, the more the income tax money.

If government really cared about people, they wouldn't have required that Covid positive people be sent to nursing homes where Covid negative people were living.

So we see. On the one hand government cares about keeping people alive so to get more money. On the other hand, government goes about euthanizing people to keep from losing money... nursing home patients.

what badecker does not realise about nursing homes is that most deaths are due to them getting it but not being medically treated because they signed a 'do not intervene/resuscitate' order

thus a hospital sends them back to a nursing home for palliative care

this is actually one thing that badecker could have (if he caught up to current news) about how some nursing homes have actually re-reviewed their residents care plans and put people on these do not resuscitate/palliative care plans

also that US government did not plan anything in february/march to actually organise nursing homes to be more suitable.. (heck neither did UK really)

...
and last to note. people dont go to hospital healthy and request treatment to make them sick... they instead are sick first and go to hospital to improve the odds of recovery.
in short. more people would die without treatment.

hense the lockdown. to keep people at a distance from each other to reduce how many get sick so that hospitals dont get overwhelmed so that there is enough capacity to treat and improve the odds of recovery for those limited amount that do get sick.
without lockdown soo many more would get sick faster and overwhelm the hospitals leaving people untreated and dying in hoards of numbers due to not even being given oxygen. let alone any pain meds or other medications to help

The first thing franky1 doesn't realize is that there are no statistics outside of deaths. Cause of death is totally unknown because of orders from Dr. Brix and the CDC to call anything a Covid death that you feel like calling a Covid death, but to make sure that you have mostly Covid deaths listed in the final tally.

The second thing is a thing that franky1 knows, but tries to dodge. That is that when you stick Covid sick people into groups of people without Covid, some of the Covid negative people will catch Covid from the Covid positive people. And that is one of the big important points regarding nursing homes. Why not protect the nursing homes by quarantining them?

On the one hand franky1 says to quarantine yourselves. Then he says to do just the exact opposite of quarantining with the people who could most easily catch Covid and die from it... the people in nursing homes.

At heart franky1 is a murderer, just like the governors of states that ordered Covid sick into non-Covid sick nursing homes.

The most important part of all this is the mindset of franky1. He is on the side of murderers. So he shows himself to be a murderer at heart. I really need to bookmark this post, just to show people in the future that they are dealing with an intentional murderer when they are talking to franky1.

[KingScorpio]

It is not the same thing. It is like comparing Watermelons with apricots.
Driving deaths are not contagious. It is an incident that is caused by people's acts and that's all. On the other hand, you are getting infected by coronavirus without causing it.

but in relation to total economic impact, driving kills more young people, than corona that kills rather old people and black people for whatever reason.

[BADecker]

The interesting part of this thread is the comparison.

When you get right down to it, driving kills very few... far less than are attributed to driving deaths, by the officials. Most so-called driving deaths are stupidity deaths, not driving deaths. Some people are stupid by not being attentive. Others are stupid by getting on roads where they aren't experienced enough to handle the traffic. Others have a back seat full of wild kids that distract them. A few ride bicycle on roads with heavy traffic. You can think of all kinds of driving circumstances where all that people had to do was be less stupid, and they wouldn't have died, or they wouldn't have killed some innocent bystander. These deaths are called driving deaths, but they really are stupidity deaths.

Same with Covid. There are a few young, healthy people who die from a disease. But most people who die (non-violently), die from lack of satisfying their nutritional needs or pushing themselves over the edge. Most people who have heart conditions, get cancer or diabetes, or have some other degenerative disease fall into this category. When their bodies are weak in the first place, and they get Covid, the officials say they died from Covid. But they didn't. They died from not keeping themselves prepared to fight off diseases.

So we see that the statistics are wrong. There are far fewer driving deaths than reported. And in a similar way there are far fewer Covid deaths than reported. There might be less than a hundredth of the reported deaths in either category. Rather, the deaths are from stupidity and lack of preparation.

People are stupid. They call a death a driving death, or a Covid death, because it's much easier to categorize it that way. And because they are stupid, they barely focus on the real cause of death in most cases. The real cause of death is sin in the world. And the only way to get out of death is to believe in Jesus-God, and the salvation He provides. Then, live a righteous life - a God-righteous life - and die, knowing that God will raise you to life again at the last day.


Just putting it into perspective a little.

[MysteryMiner]

OP is idiotic idiot. According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ stats the current lethality of crownvirus is 14% Imagine the number of deaths if 14% of people die when they seat into car for first time.