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US is so poor that president trump constantly attack China. Because China is so rich that they can buy the entire Africa, they can buy the entire existing technology, they can invest into best new talents, they can invest into 5G, 6G, 7G, they can build the best spaceship with all the income they received from tax money.
China spend the income tax they received from new apple iPhone sale to acquire new technology, buy poor country, buy young talents, funding educations, funding new technology. Also income tax from many major US based tech company that operate in China, they all pay tax to China government like an overjoyed lapping puppy.
Meanwhile US allocate the income tax they received from big America company to acquire new military bases, build new nuclear bomb, fund the Middle East oil wars, invest into new drugs, invest into new vaccines, fund keyboard warriors army who is pro government, fund the anti fake news movement, fund the internet censorship movement, fund the network mass surveillance movement, etc everything that wiki leaks has to expose for a long time ago, the unclassified documents and the Edward Snowden’s unclassified security data, also money goes to send Julian Assange into jail by conviction of guilty, that’s you tax payers money, tax payers send Julian Assange to jail by paying more taxes, that’s a lot of tax payer money get abused on corruption.
If I’m a honest tax payer I would pay my tax to the one who will use the money for the better good of all human being. No wonder many productive company start moving their production to China, they rather pay tax to their enemy than pay tax to fund their own government. That include company from US, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, German, EU, UK, India, Russia, Australia, Canada, Africa, Dubai. Who’s willing to pay taxes to US government please hand down. Who is willing to pay taxes to the China government please hand up. Ask yourselves do you like to pay taxes to the US government? And ask yourselves again do you like to don’t pay taxes to the China government?
The whole reason why apple is reluctance and refuse to return their entire operation to US might be because they’re tired of paying tax to the US govt who constantly misuse the tax money on selfish gain, they would continue to pay their income tax to China as long as it’s not going into the hand of tyrannical government, yeah apple is a big fat cash cow that account for so much tax income that trump is drooling and want it to come back so badly it want to drain up every single drop of apple blood from its root.
Why are US based tech companies so hypocrites, they’re killing the US job markets, by moving every single job to China, moving every single income tax to China. People in the US has no job, they would begin to starve, when they’re too starved, they will get mad, and get down the street, the first thing they will do is overthrow the government, as the government provide no jobs and income to the US people, apple looking at it on the high ground, looking at US people go down the street and marching to destroy the government, and the government has no money to pay for its expense because all the fat cash cow tech companies has moved to China, US government cannot extract more tax money from the oversea US companies anymore to fund their luxuries on producing more mass destruction weapons. Also apple launching more overpriced apple stand and apple wheels so that US buyer continued to buy more from apple and move more money to the China, the faster apple could drain dry all the wealth from the gullible US consumers the faster the US will go broke, shut down government office, next shut down White House, shut down military operation, shut down network surveillance, one by one get shut down, finally apple can get their sweet revenge.
The entire parody is being playing on the US, economies, but there is so little can be done to reverse the trend.
Of course, unless the China finally turn into tyrannical government and spend their tax income resource on wasteful development, that will be the turning point for the US to become relevant again, and only the US based tech companies were convinced to move their operations elsewhere. Yeah, China is getting aggressive lately, they seem to be slowly turning into tyrannical, but so far there is little to worry about, they might be colonising many poor country, but nothing violence are happening, everything is done peacefully, and no big business want to give up on China operation and continued paying taxes to China.
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If you are talking about the production that are mostly being made in China, it's because China has a low labor expense. It's not only the US but most products are being made in China because of cheap labor. If I’m a honest tax payer I would pay my tax to the one who will use the money for the better good of all human being. No wonder many productive company start moving their production to China, they rather pay tax to their enemy than pay tax to fund their own government. That include company from US, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, German, EU, UK, India, Russia, Australia, Canada, Africa, Dubai. Who’s willing to pay taxes to US government please hand down. Who is willing to pay taxes to the China government please hand up. Ask yourselves do you like to pay taxes to the US government? And ask yourselves again do you like to don’t pay taxes to the China government?
Everyone wants to see that their money is in good hands and the taxes they are paying are being used in an effective project. Although for me, it's not about which country is earning money on production. It's more practical for some big producing companies if the production was held in China because it will lessen the expenses on labor. And after all, when you sell your product in your country, your government will still receive your tax payment. Production in China doesn't necessarily mean that there would be no available job for US citizens. The whole process is not only about production. I don't think that Apple would rather give their money to China because they think that their country's government is incompetent. I also don't think they will benefit from paying China when they are not even a citizen of that country. Actually I think, the US government is earning enough because Apple has a worldwide sale. They are selling their product in different countries, and the US is the one benefitting from it. If you think that the US government is not good at their job, it has nothing to do with most company production in China. And you could also add a link or source where Trump is attacking China to connect it with your title.
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Hilarious title. Despite his flaws, Trump is completely right in attacking China these days since their incompetence led to a worldwide plague. I don't support the crazy conspiracy theories regarding China inventing the virus in one of their labs etc.
On top of this, the Chinese government faked their COVID numbers and they even manipulated the WHO for their own profit. Pathetic and distasteful behavior in my opinion. Also, I am not a US citizen.
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Trump knows its consequences and I’m sure his administration also aware of this but it doesn’t mean they’re poor. We need US to be strong in terms of military because a lot of countries depends on them and since China is too aggressive, maybe bigger countries have to be more prepared for the worst.
Countries are ally in terms of businesses, and since the production cost in China is cheaper, many companies choses to work with them and of course they have to pay taxes since they worked in an international soil. Don’t worry, the trade war between in US and China is getting worse and US companies are now looking for other place to do their production, and Indonesia is one of a great place which is also their allies. Big economies can also collapse, that’s why we need to be prepared for the recession and we don’t know when it will happen.
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May 17, 2020, 03:45:26 PM |
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See problem is China have done something horrible, even if the virus did not originate in the Labs , the government failed to control it , now the whole world is suffering. They sushed their own doctors when they stood up against the government. They tried their best to not let the world know about this . When the countries asked them for the virus information they did not give it . I do hate Trump, trust me . But what China did is horrible and they need to pay for it trust me. Not the people , The government. The people are never at the fault . They even scammed other countries by giving faulty medical appliances !! Like seriously?? The world is right now facing a pandemic and you are doing this ? The government lacks the common sense , they should understand that because of them the whole world is now suffering . Therefore it is right if the US wants China to go through an Investigation to determine the cause of the Virus being spread believe it on not a country's true power , true strength does not depend on the money they have . It is more connected with the Values the Government, the People displays.
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May 17, 2020, 05:09:09 PM |
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If you are talking about the production that are mostly being made in China, it's because China has a low labor expense. It's not only the US but most products are being made in China because of cheap labor.
Everyone wants to see that their money is in good hands and the taxes they are paying are being used in an effective project. Although for me, it's not about which country is earning money on production. It's more practical for some big producing companies if the production was held in China because it will lessen the expenses on labor. And after all, when you sell your product in your country, your government will still receive your tax payment. Production in China doesn't necessarily mean that there would be no available job for US citizens. The whole process is not only about production.
China is not cheap to manufacturing goods. I don't think that Apple would rather give their money to China because they think that their country's government is incompetent. I also don't think they will benefit from paying China when they are not even a citizen of that country. Actually I think, the US government is earning enough because Apple has a worldwide sale. They are selling their product in different countries, and the US is the one benefitting from it.
Apple pay so much tax to the China government to the point that nobody know how much it’s paid, no data is leaked to the public, and China can buy the entire USA with cash that’s generated from tax money. If you think that the US government is not good at their job, it has nothing to do with most company production in China. And you could also add a link or source where Trump is attacking China to connect it with your title.
Nobody know why apple refuses to return to their home land, US has whatever China have, young talent, manufacturing fab, low cost labour that willing to work for Amazon, easy credit, raw materials, everything they wish for, but apple refuse to return.
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May 17, 2020, 05:15:36 PM |
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Hilarious title. Despite his flaws, Trump is completely right in attacking China these days since their incompetence led to a worldwide plague. I don't support the crazy conspiracy theories regarding China inventing the virus in one of their labs etc.
On top of this, the Chinese government faked their COVID numbers and they even manipulated the WHO for their own profit. Pathetic and distasteful behavior in my opinion. Also, I am not a US citizen.
I believe in the money, China is very rich, very huge, it can buy the entire globe with tax money collected, and apple is the 17th biggest gdp by country on it’s own, that’s $1.2 trillions just way behind US total gdp of $20 trillions. That haven’t include activision blizzard, Tesla, Toyota, McDonald,... many US, Japan home grown giant who love to pay tax to China government, although they’re far less valuable than apple.
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May 17, 2020, 05:36:43 PM |
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Trump knows its consequences and I’m sure his administration also aware of this but it doesn’t mean they’re poor. We need US to be strong in terms of military because a lot of countries depends on them and since China is too aggressive, maybe bigger countries have to be more prepared for the worst.
Countries are ally in terms of businesses, and since the production cost in China is cheaper, many companies choses to work with them and of course they have to pay taxes since they worked in an international soil. Don’t worry, the trade war between in US and China is getting worse and US companies are now looking for other place to do their production, and Indonesia is one of a great place which is also their allies. Big economies can also collapse, that’s why we need to be prepared for the recession and we don’t know when it will happen.
1984 is the super bowl to the personal computer, “think differently” 2020 is the super bowl to end USD, “think China”—> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5248815.0
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The whole reason why apple is reluctance and refuse to return their entire operation to US might be because they’re tired of paying tax to the US govt who constantly misuse the tax money on selfish gain, they would continue to pay their income tax to China as long as it’s not going into the hand of tyrannical government, yeah apple is a big fat cash cow that account for so much tax income that trump is drooling and want it to come back so badly it want to drain up every single drop of apple blood from its root.
The real reason why Apple and other technology companies have most of their manufacturing operations in china is because it is cheaper to mass produce products there. The supply chains that make all the products that western companies sell are mostly owned by chinese manufacturing conglomerates, and western companies must form a partnership with them if they want to make stuff. They can't just buy the manufacturing arms because China won't allow that. And their operations aren't just in china they're in most Far Eastern country that has a low exchange rate like Vietnam and Cambodia because they are able to pay workers living there in less US dollars than they would pay someone working from the US because there is a lower standard of living in those countries and as a result of exchange rates, foriegn workers can live off of less USD than normal.
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thats funny. i don't look at it that companies like apple don't wanna pay US government due to misuse of tax money. its just that apple can gain and benefit more if their production is in china. this is also what other companies are after why they stay in China which also made them richer. they are becoming too rich which is dangerous.
i like what china is doing to the poor countries and helping them grow. they are helping my country too. i hope they can unite the whole Asia and not invade like what they are doing to the uyghur city.
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May 17, 2020, 06:24:55 PM |
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Nobody know why apple refuses to return to their home land, US has whatever China have, young talent, manufacturing fab, low cost labour that willing to work for Amazon, easy credit, raw materials, everything they wish for, but apple refuse to return.
chinese labor isn't that cheap anymore, but it's still cheaper than american. the big draws IMO are very weak (basically nonexistent) unionization, lack of regulations (like environmental ones), cheaper raw material costs due to scale and sourcing from china itself, faster internal supply chains..... trump did lower the hell outta corporate taxes, bringing them closer in line with china, which should make USA production more attractive. both countries allow for extreme corporate tax loopholes anyway though so i'm not sure how much of a difference the 2017 tax cuts made.
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May 17, 2020, 08:05:04 PM Last edit: May 17, 2020, 08:17:21 PM by SuperBowl1984 |
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The whole reason why apple is reluctance and refuse to return their entire operation to US might be because they’re tired of paying tax to the US govt who constantly misuse the tax money on selfish gain, they would continue to pay their income tax to China as long as it’s not going into the hand of tyrannical government, yeah apple is a big fat cash cow that account for so much tax income that trump is drooling and want it to come back so badly it want to drain up every single drop of apple blood from its root.
The real reason why Apple and other technology companies have most of their manufacturing operations in china is because it is cheaper to mass produce products there. The supply chains that make all the products that western companies sell are mostly owned by chinese manufacturing conglomerates, and western companies must form a partnership with them if they want to make stuff. They can't just buy the manufacturing arms because China won't allow that. And their operations aren't just in china they're in most Far Eastern country that has a low exchange rate like Vietnam and Cambodia because they are able to pay workers living there in less US dollars than they would pay someone working from the US because there is a lower standard of living in those countries and as a result of exchange rates, foriegn workers can live off of less USD than normal. You have read too much of lies. The apple products remained to be highly priced no matter where its manufactured. You won’t see apple product coming down on price to benefit the consumers, despite it’s cheaper to produce in the east? Apple 1 is same the price with apple ii, and the ii are same price with the latest iPhone X, it’s never about price, I dunno why apple close the last US factory and move all of them in 2004 to China, yeah that’s also the time Microsoft windows xp are booming like a boss, and apple are dying a thousand cut, and China was not yet developed.
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Nobody know why apple refuses to return to their home land, US has whatever China have, young talent, manufacturing fab, low cost labour that willing to work for Amazon, easy credit, raw materials, everything they wish for, but apple refuse to return.
chinese labor isn't that cheap anymore, but it's still cheaper than american. the big draws IMO are very weak (basically nonexistent) unionization, lack of regulations (like environmental ones), cheaper raw material costs due to scale and sourcing from china itself, faster internal supply chains..... trump did lower the hell outta corporate taxes, bringing them closer in line with china, which should make USA production more attractive. both countries allow for extreme corporate tax loopholes anyway though so i'm not sure how much of a difference the 2017 tax cuts made. Nope, Chinese is not cheap, it’s the US who’s cheap. Chinese are the most expensive talent to hire. Many Chinese are highly paid than many US cheap CEO. thats funny. i don't look at it that companies like apple don't wanna pay US government due to misuse of tax money. its just that apple can gain and benefit more if their production is in china. this is also what other companies are after why they stay in China which also made them richer. they are becoming too rich which is dangerous.
i like what china is doing to the poor countries and helping them grow. they are helping my country too. i hope they can unite the whole Asia and not invade like what they are doing to the uyghur city.
That’s not funny after you clearly talk to a US guy who living in China, they really hate US and not willing to pay any tax to the government, they’re not ashamed to be called hypocrites, even from their enemy, activision blizzard is another white monkey who love to pay tax to China governments and even bend their own rules to complied with the China demand.
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See problem is China have done something horrible, even if the virus did not originate in the Labs , the government failed to control it , now the whole world is suffering. They sushed their own doctors when they stood up against the government. They tried their best to not let the world know about this . When the countries asked them for the virus information they did not give it . I do hate Trump, trust me . But what China did is horrible and they need to pay for it trust me. Not the people , The government. The people are never at the fault . They even scammed other countries by giving faulty medical appliances !! Like seriously?? The world is right now facing a pandemic and you are doing this ? The government lacks the common sense , they should understand that because of them the whole world is now suffering . Therefore it is right if the US wants China to go through an Investigation to determine the cause of the Virus being spread believe it on not a country's true power , true strength does not depend on the money they have . It is more connected with the Values the Government, the People displays.
The most horrible thing China can do is publicly executing corrupted government officials, China is taking corruption seriously. I think many US government officials wouldn’t love to move to China because all of them will be publicly executed without paroles, everybody know how corrupted are US government officials, every piece of corruption is uploaded into the wiki leaks servers for the laugh.
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May 17, 2020, 09:19:26 PM |
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Developed countries like USA chosen developing countries to build their manufacturing plants is simply because they don't want to lose their resources.Money is nothing but the paper so any country can print it but USA holds advantage of being reserve currency and almost every forex transaction needs US dollars so they are making lot of money other than the companies like Apple paying to them.
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US is so poor... Not yet. China spend the income tax... The difference between the US and China is that the former cannot just spend their tax in whichever way they deem proper without hearings, complaints, heated debates, protests, legal battles, and the like while the latter can spend it any way they want because even the lowest opposing voice is ruthlessly stifled. If I’m a honest tax payer I would pay my tax to the one who will use the money for the better good of all human being. Pay tax to where it is due. Why are US based tech companies so hypocrites... They are not. They are not proclaiming themselves to be operating for the sake of the stars and stripes. They mean serious business, purely, and nothing else. Of course, unless the China finally turn into tyrannical government...
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America colonizes under the guise of democracy and capitalism while China colonizes its OBOR. There is nothing better between the two. Both want to exploit other countries for their national interests. And both of them are puppets of the shadow power behind them.
At the moment Trump is in a precarious condition, the month of November feels so short for the Trump administration. Domestically, Trump is facing a war with the Democrat Party with Joe Biden. While the other front Trump is at war with China, the great power. The next day after being inaugurated, Trump signed an American military budget of 700 billion dollars or the largest amount of all time in the military budget in one year. Trump is a national and the defense and oil industry contractors who support Trump. Economic man and war champion are the hallmarks of Trump.
The Clinton and Obama era is the era of globalist development and the development of a Globalist manufacturing support system in China because of that the democratic party has a close relationship with Xi. In the Clinton era in power, China intensified its industrial manufacturing foundation with a strategy of imitating, duplicating, and then modifying. Even during Obama's time, China became a strategic American partner. But the sweet times between globalists and China ended when Trump came to power.
Trump is dealing with xi jing ping who is also a nationalist. Trump began to shake up with a strategy of attracting dollars outside the United States, then companies outside the United States were withdrawn, and began to kick globalists for not relying on global supply chain management outside American hegemony.
This technological war is important for China and America because the world pendulum will shift in the direction of all-algorithm and AI.
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May 18, 2020, 05:43:08 AM |
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How is your daily routine during lock down, are you sure you don’t feel poorer at all time? Are you sure you can compare to China spending habit? Are you sure you’re not fearing on getting poorer? I think many people has loss their jobs, without source of income, and it would be very long terms, might be last for a few years, that’s gonna change many people life tremendously, and their daily routine would never be the same again, I’m very curious, to know are you doing any better by now, and what’s your plan or you’re just simply being hostile to the lock down by being unable to be yourself, totally clueless, just at the mercy of lock down, shameless, I think white monkey in China might have more freedom than you’re in your home land. The difference between the US and China is that the former cannot just spend their tax in whichever way they deem proper without hearings, complaints, heated debates, protests, legal battles, and the like while the latter can spend it any way they want because even the lowest opposing voice is ruthlessly stifled. ... As usual, the thing that’s stopping US to move forward. Pay tax to where it is due. How are you gonna pay tax when you have absolutely no income, no jobs, and no food on the table? The only person who’s still working and paying tax are big businesses in China. They are not. They are not proclaiming themselves to be operating for the sake of the stars and stripes. They mean serious business, purely, and nothing else. ... Many big businesses are acting very hostile, at the mercy of the China government, they need to adjust themselves to best suit the regulatory needs, “serious business”? What’s serious about apple stand? What’s serious about apple wheels? How many times apple has delivering empty promise after Steve Jobs passed the baton? Very serious indeed! It already is.
I don’t agree with you. A tyrannical government are cunning, wars mongering, fear mongering, ... and eventually lead to a self destruction. “John Wilkes Booth shoots Abraham Lincoln. President Abraham Lincoln is shot in the head at Ford's Theatre in Washington, D.C. The assassin, actor John Wilkes Booth, shouted, “Sic semper tyrannis! (Ever thus to tyrants!) The South is avenged,” as he jumped onto the stage and fled on horseback.”
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May 18, 2020, 06:02:27 AM |
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America colonizes under the guise of democracy and capitalism while China colonizes its OBOR. There is nothing better between the two. Both want to exploit other countries for their national interests. And both of them are puppets of the shadow power behind them.
At the moment Trump is in a precarious condition, the month of November feels so short for the Trump administration. Domestically, Trump is facing a war with the Democrat Party with Joe Biden. While the other front Trump is at war with China, the great power. The next day after being inaugurated, Trump signed an American military budget of 700 billion dollars or the largest amount of all time in the military budget in one year. Trump is a national and the defense and oil industry contractors who support Trump. Economic man and war champion are the hallmarks of Trump.
The Clinton and Obama era is the era of globalist development and the development of a Globalist manufacturing support system in China because of that the democratic party has a close relationship with Xi. In the Clinton era in power, China intensified its industrial manufacturing foundation with a strategy of imitating, duplicating, and then modifying. Even during Obama's time, China became a strategic American partner. But the sweet times between globalists and China ended when Trump came to power.
Trump is dealing with xi jing ping who is also a nationalist. Trump began to shake up with a strategy of attracting dollars outside the United States, then companies outside the United States were withdrawn, and began to kick globalists for not relying on global supply chain management outside American hegemony.
This technological war is important for China and America because the world pendulum will shift in the direction of all-algorithm and AI.
During the colonisation era, you really don’t want to be living in the country that’s getting colonised by the external forces, remember the Japanese colonisation? The nazi colonisation? Many might have not aware of what we are having right now is not much differ than world wars 2, I think I want to call 2020 a world wars 3, but how many people want to agree with me? They all believe it’s just some virus, during the colonisation, you’re not allowed to leave your colonies country, and escape yourself to the great power who can colonise the other country, that’s China! All the smartest brain already establish themselves in China, because they don’t want to be the victims on the soil of colonisation, big businesses, big boy, big brain have all move to China who have the power to colonise the weak. Yeah, keeping you in the dark and start colonising one bit by one bit for many years to come, and politicians are there to betray the voters.
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May 18, 2020, 06:10:17 AM |
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US is so poor that president trump constantly attack China. Because China is so rich...
What is the metric to say China is richer than the US? GDP? GDP/capita? Of course, unless the China finally turn into tyrannical government ... they seem to be slowly turning into tyrannical
What what? When did China or CCP become less tyrannical? People there were crushed from the beginning. If you notice why Chinese people are everywhere, it because they are oppressed for thousands of years and nothing changes.
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