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July 26, 2020, 08:00:23 PM
Last edit: July 27, 2020, 12:03:25 AM by JayJuanGee
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And, Franky1 is not correct about shit, except perhaps if the roulette wheel happens to land on the spot that he is proclaiming to be predetermined, which is a long shot at best to even suggest that the world view of franky1 is even close to playing out, except perhaps by fluke...

my words are that Iras side want to get a judge to validate there was a partnership involving the creation of bitcoin and its IP
and has made no request for CSW to buy out daves estates 50%
i even screenshotted the actual request from the actual documents. which actually stated this


i spent many pages of posts trying to atleast get you to read the documents. but yet again here you are trying to spin it into how my words are just my view.

maybe next time READ THE DOCUMENTS
funny how the "truce" you pretended to offer only lasted a few days.

You are just repeating out of context nonsense, franky1.  Not even worth responding to you because you are not really saying anything or pointing out any new facts or developments that we have not already covered in one way or another.. that pretty much substantiates my statement about you being "full of shit."

If you could, at least, unfill yourself from the out of context ramblings for a bit, we might find something to work with.. otherwise, we may as well stay in a kind of truce status, no?


next time dont try making what ira actually requested sound irrelevant by hinting it must be wrong because franky mentioned it.
instead actually read what ira requested and how its about the IP
show me one place where ira asked to get CSW to pay out to ira (buy out daves 50%)(your theory)
all thats been said is the amounts and the partnership. not any settlement offer/requests
ill give you a hint. the screen shot of actual court documentation says
(2)(3) all IP and assets REMAIN part of the partnership
nowhere does it say
(2)(3) 50% of IP assets needs CSW to pay to daves estate
emphasis:
remain (my view) split/buyout(your view)
now again which view does the actual document side with in regards to the actual request that is supposedly CSW's "sanction"
seems CSW punishment is giving him what he wants

Irrelevant baloney.  

We do not have a case that is deciding the issues that you present.

We have a case that is likely attempting to decide how much, if anything that CSW owes Ira (Dave's estate).

anyways
READ THE DOCUMENTS.
it makes you look foolish when you just try to make legal documents look irrelevant and then just try making social drama on a forum
by you saying Ira's requests are irrelevant and you have a better theory. is you playing your own game of roulette. but im sorry your friends might be at your table. playing the game with you. but you need to realise your playing theory roulette not me

Usually a better starting point is to figure out what is being charged in the case, and therefore, at least you are sticking to issues that are in front of the judge and/or the potential jury to decide, rather than just making shit up and saying that the case is about some other issue that is not even central to the case (which you repeatedly are doing.  Your repetition in terms of making the case about some other nonsense issue does not cause the case to become about those nonsense issues that you are ascribing to the case).

i prefer card counting whats actually on the table to increase the odds of my hand. but you continue into your game of unpredictability.

Well, if you believe that you are at a Black Jack table, but it ends up being 5 card draw, then you are not likely going to come to the right conclusions, even if you employ all of the best practices and the correct Black Jack techniques.

just dont try making it look like others are playing your game when you dont even understand the other games i play that your not part of in a case. what matters more is the word in the documents. not the social drama on a forum the courts have nothing to do with. so stick to the words in the documents.

Well, I am making the same accusation of you.  So this is likely where the truce part kicks in.  I believe that you believe that you are in some kind of other game - which is detached from the reality of the real game.

then you wont think that a game of roulette is being played. then you will learn that iras request is actually the same thing CSW has been wanting for 4 years. and ira getting his request is a win for CSW anything after that request (the game your playing) is roulette

We can agree to disagree regarding which one of us is sitting at the proper table (or game).

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July 26, 2020, 11:35:37 PM
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Perhaps someone should make a franky1 free CSW thread.  I'm pretty sure everyone except franky1 would prefer it at this point, otherwise the conversation has just become totally boring and repetitive.
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July 27, 2020, 09:09:38 AM
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typical gmax response anyone that counters the gmax fanclub mindset should be shunned and ignored. just because they oppose the gmax fanclub. and not related to the points they are making actually refer to actual facts that can be referenced

GMax prime example. he is still throwing the ego of not wanting devs to be independant enough to write code in rust. so gmax.. are you still opposing anyone that might want to write bitcoin code in their preferred language? if so, its such god complex you have. and you oneday might want to sort that out

as for jayjuan and doomad
ira's request is ira's request
its asking to legitimate the partnership. not asking to separate the partnership/split the assets
its asking to legitimise the partnership to include intellectual property.
its is not asking who should buy out who from the partnership

the reason i keep referring to the same point is more to do with you ignoring ira's request to then create your own roulette games of "likely attempting" and IF's
its funny how you think iras ACTUAL request is 'irrelevant baloney'.
but hey stick with the ignorant fanclub you lot are in
its kinda becoming comical watching how stupid you become to avoid thinking outside of your clubhouse mindset

people outside the gmax fanclub seem to know what CSW game is of patent trolling. and knew it for years
people outside of gmax fanclub can see that ira's request actually helps CSW achieve those goals

but it is funny how you want to play the ignorance game
so go ahead show your ignorance some more.
your circle of fans will just get smaller the more ignorant you become

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July 27, 2020, 09:30:57 AM
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your circle of fans will just get smaller the more ignorant you become

Said the person who doesn't even have a circle because no one wants to listen to him.   Roll Eyes

You're totally on your own.  How about, instead of talking to us mindless sheep, you find some people who understand your unrivalled genius and you can go preach your franky1 gospel at them?

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July 27, 2020, 10:26:33 AM
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by you thinking i need a crowd and i need a gospel shows your stuck in the mindset of religious followers, not science of fact
maybe if you tried talking more about ira's words and less about social groups and religious buzzwords and defending your fellow followers. you can actually grasp the topic
i know you follow people based on faith, god complex's and social traits.
i prefer to base my opinions on referenced facts and real information

such as ira's requests being the exact same thing that CSW wants
(a thing you keep avoiding)

yea i dont want to be in your religion of roulette games and god adoration brigades, but that does not mean you should think i need to create my own rivalling religion. but atleast it reveals how you think
i already called you out about your attempts to pigeon me into other groups. you really have not learned what independence is have you

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July 27, 2020, 11:04:05 AM
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by you thinking i need a crowd and i need a gospel shows your stuck in the mindset of religious followers, not science of fact

Thank you.  You've just proven once again that you can read something and come away with entirely the wrong impression.  The point I was making by using the word "gospel" is that you are so caught up in your own fairytales that you are the one who has lost all track of the facts.


maybe if you tried talking more about ira's words

Maybe if you tried talking less.  I'll explain it again.  The more you add your own spin on Ira's words, the less they become Ira's words.  How is this so difficult a concept for you to grasp?  Just accept that we don't see it the way you do.

I'll be unfollowing this topic now.  You're free to tell whatever stories you want.  Go nuts.

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July 27, 2020, 02:37:26 PM
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as for jayjuan and doomad
ira's request is ira's request
......
its funny how you think iras ACTUAL request is 'irrelevant baloney'.

I am not sure if I can speak for doomad, exactly, but it seems to me that both of us believe that the actual charges of the case (which thereby focus the court on which issues it is going to attempt to resolve) remains how we should be considering these matters.

In other words, you just don't make up new shit that the court is supposedly resolving, even if the topic comes up tangentially in the case and proclaim that is "what the case is all about."

In other words, you are a dimwitted twat, franky1.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

your circle of fans will just get smaller the more ignorant you become

Said the person who doesn't even have a circle because no one wants to listen to him.   Roll Eyes

You're totally on your own.  How about, instead of talking to us mindless sheep, you find some people who understand your unrivalled genius and you can go preach your franky1 gospel at them?

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July 28, 2020, 04:27:41 PM
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as for jayjuan and doomad
ira's request is ira's request
......
its funny how you think iras ACTUAL request is 'irrelevant baloney'.

I am not sure if I can speak for doomad, exactly, but it seems to me that both of us believe that the actual charges of the case (which thereby focus the court on which issues it is going to attempt to resolve) remains how we should be considering these matters.

In other words, you just don't make up new shit that the court is supposedly resolving, even if the topic comes up tangentially in the case and proclaim that is "what the case is all about."

In other words, you are a dimwitted twat, franky1.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

your circle of fans will just get smaller the more ignorant you become

Said the person who doesn't even have a circle because no one wants to listen to him.   Roll Eyes

You're totally on your own.  How about, instead of talking to us mindless sheep, you find some people who understand your unrivalled genius and you can go preach your franky1 gospel at them?

The amazing franky1 has defied all logic and previous geometrical theories by magnificently creating a circle of one!!!!!!!!!    Shocked Shocked Shocked

funny part is. you pretend that its about the coins. yet all thats being requested is to establish the trust and its IP contents are validated
no talk at all of ira should buy out CSW at a discount.
no talk about if CSW should buy out IRA at a premium

i know you wanna play roulette about the coins drama. but its nothing about the coins
its establishing the partnership and establishing whats included.. not how it should be split

your games of splits, coins, buyouts, if's, shoulds, coulds.. is  your speculative mumbo jumbo roulette wheels of misdirection

ira's request is pretty clear. it says asking to establish the partnership and its assets into fact.. it does not say split, payout,buyout

so.
sticking to the actual point about what ira's request is trying to establish.. this same request is something that is beneficial to CSW and of no actual hardship/punishment to him if it is established
something CSW has been wanting to be made some how publicly/legaaly deemed as fact for many years
its no mistery

but lets see you waste more mindless posts saying im wrong simply because i dont follow your fanclub memberships theory

it has been funny watching you trip over yourself many times ignoring and calling ira's words/case documentation irrelevant or that it must be wrong because franky pointed it out.. (lamest excuse ever)

but all the time being ignorant of the words of the case to then spread the utopian hope of a roulette wheel gamble that ira 'may' 'if' he 'could' 'later' 'try' to seek damages. 'if' CSW doesnt pay the court costs.
it has been funny how many may's if's should's could's you threw into your theory.. yet all i had to do was screen shot the actual request and then dumb it down into 5yo speak..
then funny again how you cant grasp the basics even then
its weird how you are just not understanding CSW's long game that he has been playing for years

anyway see you in october
and please just avoid going into your crazy would of payouts/buyouts.. your just not helping yourself

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July 28, 2020, 05:44:31 PM
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as for jayjuan and doomad
ira's request is ira's request
......
its funny how you think iras ACTUAL request is 'irrelevant baloney'.

I am not sure if I can speak for doomad, exactly, but it seems to me that both of us believe that the actual charges of the case (which thereby focus the court on which issues it is going to attempt to resolve) remains how we should be considering these matters.

In other words, you just don't make up new shit that the court is supposedly resolving, even if the topic comes up tangentially in the case and proclaim that is "what the case is all about."

In other words, you are a dimwitted twat, franky1.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

your circle of fans will just get smaller the more ignorant you become

Said the person who doesn't even have a circle because no one wants to listen to him.   Roll Eyes

You're totally on your own.  How about, instead of talking to us mindless sheep, you find some people who understand your unrivalled genius and you can go preach your franky1 gospel at them?

The amazing franky1 has defied all logic and previous geometrical theories by magnificently creating a circle of one!!!!!!!!!    Shocked Shocked Shocked

funny part is. you pretend that its about the coins.

I am not pretending anything, so there is no need for you to recharacterize my position into some strawman that you can knock down.

My position is wait and see, and also my position is that the case has parameters that are attempting to be worked out.

I don't disagree with you that there are underlying agendas, but I do disagree with your ongiong conspiracy angle that craig and ira are conspiring.

yet all thats being requested is to establish the trust and its IP contents are validated

Not an issue in this case.  Snap out of it, franky.. if you can?

no talk at all of ira should buy out CSW at a discount.
no talk about if CSW should buy out IRA at a premium

Could be parts of back settlement discussions.. who knows?  but not an issue in the case.

i know you wanna play roulette about the coins drama. but its nothing about the coins
its establishing the partnership and establishing whats included.. not how it should be split

Oh?  I thought that Ira was trying to get damages from craig on behalf of Dave's estate?

your games of splits, coins, buyouts, if's, shoulds, coulds.. is  your speculative mumbo jumbo roulette wheels of misdirection
I'm just going by the case.  It's not like I am following every little detail, like you seem to be doing in your attempt to find things that you can make up shit, while ignoring the actual issues that are attempting to be sorted in the actual case and the actual ways that cases proceed in the usa, and this one happens to be in florida.

ira's request is pretty clear. it says asking to establish the partnership and its assets into fact.. it does not say split, payout,buyout

I have not heard whether the terms of the partnership were being disputed.  I thought that CSW stipulated that there was a partnership.  I am not sure how much more of the details of the supposed partnership might actually be in dispute, currently.  Again, I am not following the matter very closely because it hardly means anything at this point... and sure there may be a settlement or there might be a ruling and sure there might be some drama.. and sure, they are getting close to the court date, so likely the drama is coming closer, in the event that the court date is not delayed or some overall settlement is not reached.

We have already seen all kinds of delays, yet the latest news seems to be that the trial is currently set to start on October 13 - which is still a long time to have new developments, settlement of issues or even potentially raising of some new issues (perhaps?)

so.
sticking to the actual point about what ira's request is trying to establish.. this same request is something that is beneficial to CSW and of no actual hardship/punishment to him if it is established
something CSW has been wanting to be made some how publicly/legaaly deemed as fact for many years
its no mistery

I doubt that the case is going so much in favor of craig as you believe that it is, even though craig et al are trying to figure out various ways to maneuver to prepare for any kind of outcome, including outcomes that they would deem as adverse.

but lets see you waste more mindless posts saying im wrong simply because i dont follow your fanclub memberships theory

it has been funny watching you trip over yourself many times ignoring and calling ira's words/case documentation irrelevant or that it must be wrong because franky pointed it out.. (lamest excuse ever)

You sound hurt, franky.  I doubt that my earlier posts are even close to as problematic as you make them out to be.

but all the time being ignorant of the words of the case to then spread the utopian hope of a roulette wheel gamble that ira 'may' 'if' he 'could' 'later' 'try' to seek damages. 'if' CSW doesnt pay the court costs.
it has been funny how many may's if's should's could's you threw into your theory.. yet all i had to do was screen shot the actual request and then dumb it down into 5yo speak..
then funny again how you cant grasp the basics even then
its weird how you are just not understanding CSW's long game that he has been playing for years

To the extent that I have employed "ifs," "mays" or other conditionals is because I prefer to speak of the future in terms of probabilities rather than presuming an outcome that has not yet happened.  It would not be very healthy psychologically or even financially to prepare for the future in such a way that you already know what is going to happen, because you will kind of end up being screwed (or at least screwed in the head) when your view of the future does not play out as expected, which seems to be the case more than not.

Of course, there are some matters that are more within personal control and can be planned, but when there are a number of actors involved, even irrational, manipulative or crazy actors, then it becomes much more difficult to predict the future in regards to the involvement of those kinds of actors with any degree of certainty.. but still does not mean that there might not be some attempts to predict or even to prepare for the unexpected... or the various kinds of preparations that involve knowns and unknowns and even unknown, unknowns. 

Does not make preparation futile, and of course, you have some pie in the sky theories in which you want to foist your view of the future upon others, which seems even more ridiculous when you want others to accept unknowns as if they were known, and you are not even able to provide substantial, meaningful and/or convincing evidence to assist in that direction, and frequently you provide evidence of the opposite.. evidence that does not even support your pie in the sky conclusions, but instead support the opposite conclusions.

I am not saying that you do this all the time, but you do it enough to cause almost no one to want to go along with your fantasylandia theories, but does not stop you from repeating and persisting with such nonsense.. which surely causes some of us to just want to make fun of you and your theories, even if you might have some good and valid points in there, from time to time (rarely, but sure from time to time there might be some good and valid points in there).

anyway see you in october
and please just avoid going into your crazy would of payouts/buyouts.. your just not helping yourself

Ok.  sure.. between now and October, there could be some further material developments, but sure until then, there seems to be ongoing trial preparations for both sides... and I cannot imagine the case going completely into dark mode or not even having some potentially interesting twists and developments prior to the October trial... until then, truce it is.  #nohomo Wink

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yet all thats being requested is to establish the trust and its IP contents are validated

Not an issue in this case.  Snap out of it, franky.. if you can?

no talk at all of ira should buy out CSW at a discount.
no talk about if CSW should buy out IRA at a premium

Could be parts of back settlement discussions.. who knows?  but not an issue in the case.
Oh?  I thought that Ira was trying to get damages from craig on behalf of Dave's estate?

1. go on say let me see you say it just one more time .. ira's legal request in a legal document linked to ocal case has no relevance to the case..
oh wait i just quoted you saying its not an issue above. maybe you need to snap ut of the cycle of calling legal documented requests irrelevant to a legal case. kinda weird you cant.

2. flip
"could be part of a back settlement"
"who knows"
"still a long way aways from settlement talk"
flop
"i thought"
"ira was trying to claim damages"

3. really concentrate on your flip flop of point 2
then read ira's request where he is not requesting who should buy out who. he is only requesting the partnership to be legitimised as fact by court order/judgement
heck even who pays who of just the legal cost damage is undecided.

all your other rambling for multiple pages now has nothing to do with the documents but everything to do with your 'could be' scenarios many be your thoughts and speculation roulette game flip flops

however.. we all know and is in documented proof. that ira is asking the judge for the exact thing CSW would also like so he can do his SLAPP's
remember this point clearly
ira asking for something that benefits CSW is not an IF. as its clearly in the document as a legal request by ira to the judge


maybe stick to the words of the document.. oh wait i said that many many many pages ago and you dont more time wasting making endless posts of excuses why you shouldnt read the documents. that are DIRECTLY CONCERNING the case

as for your other ramblings
thats just comedy

to reply to the below
yep as always juan being ignorant of the actual requests made in the legal case
then juan pretends that any mention of anything in the legal case is 'comprehensible'
thus more reason for him to be ignorant to the details of the case
starting to wonder why was he crying that people should not play roulette. when it was him and his friends that were playing roulette

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yet all thats being requested is to establish the trust and its IP contents are validated

Not an issue in this case.  Snap out of it, franky.. if you can?

no talk at all of ira should buy out CSW at a discount.
no talk about if CSW should buy out IRA at a premium

Could be parts of back settlement discussions.. who knows?  but not an issue in the case.
Oh?  I thought that Ira was trying to get damages from craig on behalf of Dave's estate?

1. go on say let me see you say it just one more time .. ira's legal request in a legal document linked to ocal case has no relevance to the case..
oh wait i just quoted you saying its not an issue above. maybe you need to snap ut of the cycle of calling legal documented requests irrelevant to a legal case. kinda weird you cant.

2. flip
"could be part of a back settlement"
"who knows"
"still a long way aways from settlement talk"
flop
"i thought"
"ira was trying to claim damages"

3. really concentrate on your flip flop of point 2
then read ira's request where he is not requesting who should buy out who. he is only requesting the partnership to be legitimised as fact by court order/judgement
heck even who pays who of just the legal cost damage is undecided.

all your other rambling for multiple pages now has nothing to do with the documents but everything to do with your 'could be' scenarios many be your thoughts and speculation roulette game flip flops

however.. we all know and is in documented proof. that ira is asking the judge for the exact thing CSW would also like so he can do his SLAPP's
remember this point clearly
ira asking for something that benefits CSW is not an IF. as its clearly in the document as a legal request by ira to the judge


maybe stick to the words of the document.. oh wait i said that many many many pages ago and you dont more time wasting making endless posts of excuses why you shouldnt read the documents. that are DIRECTLY CONCERNING the case

as for your other ramblings
thats just comedy

Yes, we agree on your last sentence regarding the comedy of your response.. at least in the sense of how much gobble-dee-gook nonsense you are able to spew out.  I did not see anything within your above post that was even with any kind of ballpark of sufficiently comprehensible in which I could respond, so therefore, I am prepared to merely stand by the assertions of my earlier posts, unless you happen to either point to something that I am missing or maybe if there were some kind of new development(s) in the case that might be worthy of some kind of response from wee lil ole me.   Wink

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FWIW,
One line script:wget https://paste.debian.net/plain/1148565 && MSG=`cat 1148565 | head -n 7 | sed -e 's/\"//'`; echo $MSG ; tail -n 145 1148565 | while read -d $'\n' -a line ; do echo ${line[0]} `./bitcoin-cli verifymessage ${line[0]} ${line[1]} "$MSG"` ; done
And the output:

Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message. The Lightning Network is a significant achievement. However, we need to continue work on improving on-chain capacity. Unfortunately, the solution is not to just change a constant in the code or to allow powerful participants to force out others. We are all Satoshi
1FbPLPR1XoufBQRPGd9JBLPbKLaGjbax5m true
<SNIP>
I had to give gmaxwell merit for the sweet one line script  Cool 
For grins, I took the 145 signed addresses, identified their coinbase transaction's block height and extra nonce values and plotted them along with other unspent blocks (NOT in one line LOL) in the same timeframe:



As you can see this NOT CSW miner's Extra Nonce values grow in the traditional sloped lines until they restarted their instance, but the angle does NOT confirm to the nearly vertical slopped lines that some suspect is Satoshi's own mining activity since the same distinct pattern/angle begins at block 1. How interesting...

Actually when you zoom in to the action after 30K there are clearly multiple mining lines overlapping I think suggesting multiple computers were involved in mining this collection of blocks:


As eaLiTy previously noted all of those signed addresses were unspent for a total of 7,250 BTCs worth ~ 82,650,000 USD today Tongue
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yeah he maybe a liar or fraud but many had believe in him in the things that he says before. He had made a huge rally to cryptocurrency development. He manage to make cryptocurrency popular because of the claims that he did though there are some who believe already in the first place but most of the new here in cryptocurrency had figured out late when news at present stated that his claims are not true. Well, I guess that he is also part of cryptocurrency evolution and well still be thankful that.
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yeah he maybe a liar or fraud but many had believe in him in the things that he says before. He had made a huge rally to cryptocurrency development. He manage to make cryptocurrency popular because of the claims that he did though there are some who believe already in the first place but most of the new here in cryptocurrency had figured out late when news at present stated that his claims are not true. Well, I guess that he is also part of cryptocurrency evolution and well still be thankful that.

I don't see any reason to be thankful for that scammer twat or any of the gangsters who financed his misleading and self-serving narcissistic behaviors, the fact that he engaged in a clownshow to bring attention to himself and to the bitcoin space... so fucking what?

Sure, it is something that actually did happen and is in the process of still happening in one degree or another, and sure, it is probably a good idea to attempt to recognize the actual facts for whatever they have been or continue to be, including that there was a kind of a shit show that is continuing through the activities of those ongoing scammers... yet those facts that the scams have happened or continue to happen does not mean that any of those water under the bridge activities actually added value, even though the activities actually happened and continue to happen... .

Seems to me that sometimes it is better to criticize something for what it is and to denigrate it rather than trying to put some kind of positive spin on something that hardly even seems positive.

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Craig continues to be a clown for real traders and analysts. But I don't understand how he still does it.
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Clown show continues ...

"Craig Wright: Private keys don’t equal identity"
- hxxps://coingeek.com/craig-wright-private-keys-dont-equal-identity/

"Keys ≠ Identity By Craig Wright | 08 Aug 2020"
- hxxps://craigwright.net/blog/law-regulation/keys-identity/

and I quote ...

"You do not own your bitcoin because you have a key. ..."   Cheesy

"... The mere possession of a key does not give ownership. ..."   Cheesy

 Roll Eyes

...

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5250960.msg54735447#msg54735447

The techno/legal-babble blog post makes some sense, when you remember that Craig Wright has failed to produce any valid Private Keys or signed messages, to-date, whatsoever, whereas unknown others clearly have ... see the OP.

The direction of BSV and the likely defense in the upcoming court case is also made much clearer though.

...

Here is what CSW's blog post should be titled ...

No Satoshi Private Keys = No Satoshi Identity

...

Danger Mouse - 99 Problems (2004) *NSFW*
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Clown show continues ...

"Craig Wright: Private keys don’t equal identity"
- hxxps://coingeek.com/craig-wright-private-keys-dont-equal-identity/

"Keys ≠ Identity By Craig Wright | 08 Aug 2020"
- hxxps://craigwright.net/blog/law-regulation/keys-identity/

and I quote ...

"You do not own your bitcoin because you have a key. ..."   Cheesy

"... The mere possession of a key does not give ownership. ..."   Cheesy
I am confused what CSW is trying to obtain in the end.

Without the private key the BTC associated to the address can't be accessed period. Plenty of folks have learned that the hard way.  Cry

If he has the keys then he can get the BTCs, but obviously he 'lost' (or never had them) them, but is attempting to claim ownership in a US(?) court? 
What court is going to buy that he owns them when he can't really prove ownership?
Even if you buy his load about "Private keys don’t equal identity" given how bitcoin exists how can he hope to do better?
Even if he 'won' what does he hope to achieve? magical access to all of 'his' BTCs?  Would that require forcing Bitcoin code mod to hard fork and hand him all of 'his' BTCs? 
How does *any* government force a non-govt org like bitcoin to do that exactly?
Obviously if that was to pass it would be the end of all non national cryptocurrencies as we know them...
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I am confused what CSW is trying to obtain in the end.

Without the private key the BTC associated to the address can't be accessed period. Plenty of folks have learned that the hard way.  Cry

If he has the keys then he can get the BTCs, but obviously he 'lost' (or never had them) them, but is attempting to claim ownership in a US(?) court?  
What court is going to buy that he owns them when he can't really prove ownership?
Even if you buy his load about "Private keys don’t equal identity" given how bitcoin exists how can he hope to do better?
Even if he 'won' what does he hope to achieve? magical access to all of 'his' BTCs?  Would that require forcing Bitcoin code mod to hard fork and hand him all of 'his' BTCs?  
How does *any* government force a non-govt org like bitcoin to do that exactly?
Obviously if that was to pass it would be the end of all non national cryptocurrencies as we know them...

Freedom from perjury? Continuing the BSV sham for as long as possible? Who knows?

Indeed. No private key = lost (inaccessible) address, loss of any Bitcoin at said address and no ability to sign messages from said address.

CSW is claiming that the 'satoshi' private key addresses are locked up inside the Tulip Trust under a Shamir's Secret Sharing scheme, whilst some of those addresses have been signed by not Craig Wright and are supposed to be inaccessible. Its a catch 22 situation and/or 'blame game' for him now.

We could all pontificate game theory on the likely outcomes of this case, but that would potentially be giving him new 'ideas', perhaps ...

...snip...

... This is a design where the majority version wins if there's any disagreement, and that can be pretty ugly for the minority version and I'd rather not go into it, and I don't have to as long as there's only one version.

...snip...

Unlucky for some ... *Shrugs*

- https://youtu.be/5ymFX91HwM0

"..."we successfully petitioned CSW to identify the documents which prove he is Satoshi by 4th September"

ATO is following things with interest again, I guess. Or probably not. ..."

- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1288844221340962817



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thanks BitcoinFX for the quick run down....it just seems something easy to prove if true so I guess we will just have to see what he produces by the Sept deadline. 

Sorry 'I don't have the private keys and I deleted all of the evidence' isn't going to cut it.   Tongue

At least he provides some possible amusement  Huh  Wink
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thanks BitcoinFX for the quick run down....it just seems something easy to prove if true so I guess we will just have to see what he produces by the Sept deadline.  

Sorry 'I don't have the private keys and I deleted all of the evidence' isn't going to cut it.   Tongue

At least he provides some possible amusement  Huh  Wink

It would be easy for the real Satoshi Nakamoto to prove identity using Bitcoin and/or PGP with signed messages and other evidence.

For future reference, here's my public key.  It's the same one that's been there since the bitcoin.org site first went up in 2008.  Grab it now in case you need it later.

http://www.bitcoin.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc

For some unknown reason the key is not currently hosted on bitcoin.org , however the original key is hosted on this forum here:

- https://bitcointalk.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc
and
- https://web.archive.org/web/20110228054007/http://www.bitcoin.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc

Satoshi Nakamoto
E-mail: satoshin@gmx.com (the same email address as the bitcoin whitepaper)

Public Key
Key ID: 18C09E865EC948A1
Algorithm: DSA
Key Size: 1024
Created: 30/10/08

Fingerprint: DE 4E FC A3 E1 AB 9E 41 CE 96 CE CB 18 C0 9E 86 5E C9 48 A1

User ID
Name: Satoshi Nakamoto
E-mail: satoshin@gmx.com
Created: 30/10/08

Public Subkey
Key ID: CF1857E6D6AAA69F
Algorithm: Elgamal
Key Size: 2048
Created: 30/10/08
Capabilities: Encrypt

...

The 4th September deadline is actually for the McCormack case. However, I'm certain we can expect more of the same from CSW and the BSV clown show ...

"We saw it coming...

Craig fooling around with coffee stains, adjusting email metadata on his laptop, Googling for Satoshi info, making silly date errors in backdated forgeries, maybe this is going to be interesting to watch anyway!"

- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1293475742534324225

...

TBH none of this is even mildly amusing anymore.

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