Is excluding people just because some one you don't like includes them valid?

[TECSHARE]

My post here about Suchmoon is simply demonstrating their motives are not about building a positive trust system, but about using it as a tool of personal retribution, regardless of what is allowed.

I still find it bizarre that you would complain about it after having stated that you do the same thing.

Even if it didn't benefit me personally, I would still be happy including them simply based on the fact that the resident clown car passengers excluded them.

You have a long history of adding users to your trust list simply because other people have excluded them. This has led to you including alts of people that you had excluded. Perhaps you are "under a microscope" because you are supposedly championing "objective standards" when it comes use of the trust system but refuse to employ them yourself. This is a pretty humorous example of said hypocrisy:

[img width=600 ]https://i.imgur.com/YGWFocZ.png[/img]

Here you are telling people to change their profile pic and signature to advertise your "guild" but for some reason you aren't doing the same. It appears you just enjoy telling people what they should do with no desire to actually do it yourself. Try leading by example if you want to be taken seriously.

Except that is what you selectively edited my quote to say, not what I actually said.

Even if it didn't benefit me personally, I would still be happy including them simply based on the fact that the resident clown car passengers excluded them. Given their history of abuse I would say anyone they are targeting is worth considering for inclusion.

Weird you would choose to edit that part out, almost as if you know it clarifies my statement and you want to turn it into something other than what I actually said.

"A long history" ...k. Once again, you claim to know my internal thoughts, motivations, and intents, and act as if your assumptions are evidence. I am under a microscope because I make a habit of calling out your little clown mafia when they assemble their three ring circus to attack anyone who dares to criticize them, exactly like is happening here. It is always the same people. I am not "telling" people to do anything. I am asking.

That is not under dispute, and I agree. However my inclusions and exclusions are constantly under a microscope by these same individuals, and accusations of trust abuse are levied against me for noting more than adding people they do not agree with, followed by demands I explain myself.

False. If you're including sockpuppets who prop each other into the trust system - the problem is more than just not agreeing with somebody.

My post here about Suchmoon is simply demonstrating their motives are not about building a positive trust system, but about using it as a tool of personal retribution, regardless of what is allowed.

False again. If you exclude somebody included by me - is that retribution too, or does this apply only in one direction?

I get what you're doing. You're repeating this nonsense as if it's a fact to support your victimhood and that's been a fairly successful strategy for you with this new trust system, since most DT1 members can't be bothered to look beyond your lies. That doesn't really make you not a liar and it only highlights the sleazy way you got yourself into DT. Well, not anymore, but good luck in the lottery next month.

They are not sock puppets. They are all real individuals, deserving of respect and trust. Now, even if you were to make the ASSUMPTION they are sock puppets, wouldn't a sock puppet need to you know, engage in some kind of activity to make it a worthwhile sock puppet? As far as I know neither of them include me either, but I haven't checked. I find it interesting your reasons are shifting now after you feel like your previous justifications are not holding up. Perhaps you are just a sock puppet of Nutilduhh?

You know what got me into the default trust list? Being a reliable trader here that people can trust with large amounts of value for almost a decade. You tell me some more about sleazy uses of the DT while you use it as your personal toy for playing out your vendettas and lie about it as you accuse me of the same out of the other side of your mouth.

[TwitchySeal]

My post here about Suchmoon is simply demonstrating their motives are not about building a positive trust system, but about using it as a tool of personal retribution, regardless of what is allowed.

I still find it bizarre that you would complain about it after having stated that you do the same thing.

Even if it didn't benefit me personally, I would still be happy including them simply based on the fact that the resident clown car passengers excluded them.

You have a long history of adding users to your trust list simply because other people have excluded them. This has led to you including alts of people that you had excluded. Perhaps you are "under a microscope" because you are supposedly championing "objective standards" when it comes use of the trust system but refuse to employ them yourself. This is a pretty humorous example of said hypocrisy:



Here you are telling people to change their profile pic and signature to advertise your "guild" but for some reason you aren't doing the same. It appears you just enjoy telling people what they should do with no desire to actually do it yourself. Try leading by example if you want to be taken seriously.

Except that is what you selectively edited my quote to say, not what I actually said.

You actually did say exactly what he quoted.

[TECSHARE]

You actually did say exactly what he quoted.

No, What I said was...

Even if it didn't benefit me personally, I would still be happy including them simply based on the fact that the resident clown car passengers excluded them. Given their history of abuse I would say anyone they are targeting is worth considering for inclusion.

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Technically this is what you said. I guess that means it was what you meant right?

[TwitchySeal]

You actually did say exactly what he quoted.

No, What I said was...

Even if it didn't benefit me personally, I would still be happy including them simply based on the fact that the resident clown car passengers excluded them. Given their history of abuse I would say anyone they are targeting is worth considering for inclusion.

That's a slightly longer excerpt of the post he quoted.

[suchmoon]

They are not sock puppets. They are all real individuals, deserving of respect and trust. Now, even if you were to make the ASSUMPTION they are sock puppets, wouldn't a sock puppet need to you know, engage in some kind of activity to make it a worthwhile sock puppet? As far as I know neither of them include me either, but I haven't checked. I find it interesting your reasons are shifting now after you feel like your previous justifications are not holding up. Perhaps you are just a sock puppet of Nutilduhh?

The fuck are you babbling about... Getting confused between sockpuppets in your trust list?

You know what got me into the default trust list? Being a reliable trader here that people can trust with large amounts of value for almost a decade. You tell me some more about sleazy uses of the DT while you use it as your personal toy for playing out your vendettas and lie about it as you accuse me of the same out of the other side of your mouth.

No, your reciprocal inclusions with the Turkish users pushed you over DT threshold - simple math. Doesn't look like you've done any trades with them, not that it guarantees sound judgement to begin with.

[TECSHARE]

They are not sock puppets. They are all real individuals, deserving of respect and trust. Now, even if you were to make the ASSUMPTION they are sock puppets, wouldn't a sock puppet need to you know, engage in some kind of activity to make it a worthwhile sock puppet? As far as I know neither of them include me either, but I haven't checked. I find it interesting your reasons are shifting now after you feel like your previous justifications are not holding up. Perhaps you are just a sock puppet of Nutilduhh?

The fuck are you babbling about... Getting confused between sockpuppets in your trust list?

You know what got me into the default trust list? Being a reliable trader here that people can trust with large amounts of value for almost a decade. You tell me some more about sleazy uses of the DT while you use it as your personal toy for playing out your vendettas and lie about it as you accuse me of the same out of the other side of your mouth.

No, your reciprocal inclusions with the Turkish users pushed you over DT threshold - simple math. Doesn't look like you've done any trades with them, not that it guarantees sound judgement to begin with.

No, making a direct reply to your accusations.

False. If you're including sockpuppets who prop each other into the trust system - the problem is more than just not agreeing with somebody.

How many of the users on your trust list have you done trades with? Oh almost none of them? Amazing how all of these standards only apply to the people you target and never to yourself.

[suchmoon]

False. If you're including sockpuppets who prop each other into the trust system - the problem is more than just not agreeing with somebody.

How many of the users on your trust list have you done trades with? Oh almost none of them? Amazing how all of these standards only apply to the people you target and never to yourself.

Except I never claimed that having done trades is the criteria for the trust list, you did:

You know what got me into the default trust list? Being a reliable trader here that people can trust with large amounts of value for almost a decade.

Which besides being hardly relevant is also provably false. Amazing how all these words end up meaning jack shit when coming out of your virtual piehole.

[nutildah]

You know what got me into the default trust list? Being a reliable trader here that people can trust with large amounts of value for almost a decade.

Which besides being hardly relevant is also provably false.

I think its somewhat amazing that he still doesn't understand how the trust system works.

He's currently at DT2 -4: does that mean he's no longer a reliable trader?

Sorry for selectively editing your quote.

[suchmoon]

I think its somewhat amazing that he still doesn't understand how the trust system works.

He's currently at DT2 -4: does that mean he's no longer a reliable trader?

Well, he can't be both so dumb and a shrewd trust manipulator, so I think it's the latter. He just thinks that we're dumb enough to believe the excuses. Which we are, collectively, as DT members.

Sorry for selectively editing your quote.

Unforgivable. Three Hail Marys should fix it.

[Vod]

You know what got me into the default trust list? Being a reliable trader here that people can trust with large amounts of value for almost a decade.

Where?   You got into DT here as a result of a broken system, which has temporarily been fixed.  You officially do not belong on DT. 

If there is another DT system somewhere in which you are a trusted trader, you should post your lies there, not here. 

[JaredKaragen]

Where?   You got into DT here as a result of a broken system, which has temporarily been fixed.  You officially do not belong on DT. 

If there is another DT system somewhere in which you are a trusted trader, you should post your lies there, not here. 

The irony of this hypocrite's words ^ could drown a whale.

[Vod]

The irony of this hypocrite's words ^ could drown a whale.

Notice how he can't debate it, despite a promise he would troll me until I died?

[TECSHARE]

False. If you're including sockpuppets who prop each other into the trust system - the problem is more than just not agreeing with somebody.

How many of the users on your trust list have you done trades with? Oh almost none of them? Amazing how all of these standards only apply to the people you target and never to yourself.

Except I never claimed that having done trades is the criteria for the trust list, you did:

You know what got me into the default trust list? Being a reliable trader here that people can trust with large amounts of value for almost a decade.

Which besides being hardly relevant is also provably false. Amazing how all these words end up meaning jack shit when coming out of your virtual piehole.

Yeah, why would trustworthiness be relevant to a system of trust? It is a factor, not the only factor. My statements are consistent. You are so used to doing mental back flips you forgot which point you were focusing on, not that it matters. Your goal is to make so much noise people abandon attempting to use any logic in frustration and call it a wash, right out of the Vod school of debate. As long as it superficially sounds good for smoothbrains who believe your constant manipulative behavior it serves you.

I think its somewhat amazing that he still doesn't understand how the trust system works.

He's currently at DT2 -4: does that mean he's no longer a reliable trader?

Well, he can't be both so dumb and a shrewd trust manipulator, so I think it's the latter. He just thinks that we're dumb enough to believe the excuses. Which we are, collectively, as DT members.

Sorry for selectively editing your quote.

Unforgivable. Three Hail Marys should fix it.

What excuses? You mean my replies to all of your baseless assumptions, accusations, and lame attempts to manufacture crimes out of normal trust system activity?

Why stop now with your self contradictions? According to you I am both an idiot who doesn't understand how the trust system works and also simultaneously a shrewd trust system manipulator. Or option three, you are all totally full of shit and will say and do whatever you need to in order to attack me regardless of how baseless or lacking in logic it is.

The irony of this hypocrite's words ^ could drown a whale.

Notice how he can't debate it, despite a promise he would troll me until I died?

It is about as possible to have a debate with you as it is to debate a shit covered chimp pumped full of amphetamines. You can try, but all he does is manically throw feces.

[JaredKaragen]

The irony of this hypocrite's words ^ could drown a whale.

Notice how he can't debate it, despite a promise he would troll me until I died?

Are you speaking of yourself in the third person?

Because there is a direct chain of your abuse he complains about in just that other thread over there;   a reference to some illegitimate trust, your subsequent denial of it being illegitimate, then your slander and denigration, and finally your removal of the erroneous and illegitimate trust.


Is this the inability to debate you speak of Vod?

[suchmoon]

What excuses? You mean my replies to all of your baseless assumptions, accusations, and lame attempts to manufacture crimes out of normal trust system activity?

Yep, fire up those projectors. You started this thread and accused me of something that didn't happen. And that's not the only thread where you just make shit up against people you disagree with.

[TECSHARE]

What excuses? You mean my replies to all of your baseless assumptions, accusations, and lame attempts to manufacture crimes out of normal trust system activity?

Yep, fire up those projectors. You started this thread and accused me of something that didn't happen. And that's not the only thread where you just make shit up against people you disagree with.

If it didn't happen, why did you remove the exclusion for one of the three people when called out on it? You agreed they didn't deserve an exclusion. What made you exclude them to begin with? Oh right, the fact that I included them, and that is really all it took for you to add them to your exclusion list. That and knowing they didn't have any ability to ding you back with their own exclusion, and no one would ever notice. Now, when brought to light suddenly your standards are more discerning aren't they? Tell me some more about manipulation.

[Vod]

Notice how he can't debate it, despite a promise he would troll me until I died?

It is about as possible to have a debate with you as it is to debate a shit covered chimp pumped full of amphetamines. You can try, but all he does is manically throw feces.

Changing your mind repeatedly on whether to engage me in discussion shows a lack of consistency.  :/

[suchmoon]

What made you exclude them to begin with? Oh right, the fact that I included them, and that is really all it took for you to add them to your exclusion list. That and knowing they didn't have any ability to ding you back with their own exclusion, and no one would ever notice.

Repeating it ad nauseam doesn't make it true. At most it provides an insight into how your "logic" works. I don't go through other people's trust lists to find someone to exclude but you on the other hand...

I was looking through Suchmoon's distrust list

Shall we conclude that you were looking for users to include?

But I guess it's one of those magic one-way things.

[TECSHARE]

Changing your mind repeatedly on whether to engage me in discussion shows a lack of consistency.  :/

I am glad to engage you in a discussion at any time. You however have demonstrated more than thoroughly that all you can do is make demands and are totally unable to even attempt to justify your own actions.

What made you exclude them to begin with? Oh right, the fact that I included them, and that is really all it took for you to add them to your exclusion list. That and knowing they didn't have any ability to ding you back with their own exclusion, and no one would ever notice.

Repeating it ad nauseam doesn't make it true. At most it provides an insight into how your "logic" works. I don't go through other people's trust lists to find someone to exclude but you on the other hand...

I was looking through Suchmoon's distrust list

Shall we conclude that you were looking for users to include?

But I guess it's one of those magic one-way things.

Sure you don't, that is why you just magically happened to find these 3 users who have virtually no other interaction with anyone here except for me on your exclusion list. Projecting your own behavior doesn't make it true.

[suchmoon]

you just magically happened to find these 3 users

I already explained how I "happened to find" them and since you're checking my trust list you should be able to see that I often make multiple changes during the DT1 shuffle week but that obviously doesn't fit your narrative.