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June 02, 2020, 02:46:20 PM |
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Mate, I don't know about this that you're saying here ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) . But I have been doing research on this hydroxychloroquine and from my research it's not a good treatment for Covid-19 and it doesn't work. Though Trump did claim once that he was taking the drug to prevent him from being infected with the Covid-19 virus, and considering that some people in the white house have been infected with the virus and he's not. And it's not just about Trump, the president of China once visited those that were infected in China, and was wearing just a mask and nothing much to protect himself from being infected. This made a lot of people say that he had a cure for it. There are lots of confusion in this case. But from my research people who were treated with hydroxychloroquine had a higher death rate, compared to those that were not treated with that drug. And other studies claim that the drug was causing QT prolongation.
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June 02, 2020, 02:56:03 PM |
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I believe that the virus was not created by chance. Indeed, the whole world claims that the virus was developed in China, but countries are holding to the last so as not to flood China with litigation. Time will pass and countries will begin to investigate the appearance of this virus and why it was created.
They will have more time investigating, but right now, the world is focus on finding the cure, and although there has been new releases that the vaccine was already found but until it's published and ready for distribution that is the time I will believe that the cure was really invented. The thing is, the current situation can be used by corrupt politicians to run their personal interest, and personally I have a feeling that all these are carefully plan to destroy one country while making the other improve their economy. It's a Financial Reset in the sense that small countries will struggle as they have poor facilities or poor back up for situation like this and that would significantly drove their economy down.
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They will have more time investigating, but right now, the world is focus on finding the cure, and although there has been new releases that the vaccine was already found but until it's published and ready for distribution that is the time I will believe that the cure was really invented.
The thing is, the current situation can be used by corrupt politicians to run their personal interest, and personally I have a feeling that all these are carefully plan to destroy one country while making the other improve their economy. It's a Financial Reset in the sense that small countries will struggle as they have poor facilities or poor back up for situation like this and that would significantly drove their economy down.
The most affected pandemic is not a small country but a country that depends on imported products for consumption, countries that have debts, countries that depend on the dollar. The higher the level of dependence on the three components, the heavier the economic recovery. It is precisely at a time like this that it will be a little difficult to corrupt the funds allocated for a direct pandemic, because, the state will closely monitor its budget. What is wary of is the collusion carried out by unscrupulous governments who sell state sovereignty to international institutional states amidst the negligence of statesmen and people due to the pandemic.
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Guys, I found this article. We are so vulnerable in the midst of this pandemic. I have always thought like China with all the experience it has in science and having seen the virus first hand allowed it to spread so freely. What an expert said is being fulfilled. Just months before a case of Coronavirus was known in China. China Has More Control Over Your Prescription Drugs Than You May ThinkWritten by Tony Hicks on September 19, 2019https://www.healthline.com/health-news/china-control-over-your-prescription-drugs“If we had a pandemic and we needed drugs from another country, it could become a defense issue,” James Cassel, the co-founder of Cassel Salpeter & Co., which oversees mergers and acquisitions of healthcare companies, told Healthline. "It's scary. Tariffs are one thing. But what if they just decide not to make something available? ”
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June 05, 2020, 09:02:47 AM |
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I believe that the virus was not created by chance. Indeed, the whole world claims that the virus was developed in China, but countries are holding to the last so as not to flood China with litigation. Time will pass and countries will begin to investigate the appearance of this virus and why it was created.
They will have more time investigating, but right now, the world is focus on finding the cure, and although there has been new releases that the vaccine was already found but until it's published and ready for distribution that is the time I will believe that the cure was really invented. The thing is, the current situation can be used by corrupt politicians to run their personal interest, and personally I have a feeling that all these are carefully plan to destroy one country while making the other improve their economy. It's a Financial Reset in the sense that small countries will struggle as they have poor facilities or poor back up for situation like this and that would significantly drove their economy down. This pandemic really brought panic to us all, and most of the countries aren't prepared and they don't have a specific allocated budget for this event. Like in US, they are really experiencing economic crash because of the sudden spike of infected cases in their country, they use their budget without proper planning. Like in China, their economy is stable although they are the one who are suspicious in creating this pandemic but we still don't have any evidences. The no. of active cases there are only 66 as of now, but still they are nearly going back to normal. Hopefully most of the countries are now recovering from this virus and recover also financially and economically so that their will be lesser loans in the World Bank.
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June 05, 2020, 10:12:41 AM |
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A couple of weeks ago, I posted here my theory that the virus was released intentionally by China AND the Western elites to effect a reset of the global financial system. Why China AND the western elites?Do you think that China and the western elites are working together instead of competing?There are conspiracy theories that China released the virus in order to damage the western economies,but I've never heard about your conspiracy theory. China and Western countries are known to be a foe, and this pandemic might be a biological weapon to destroy the economic state globally (specially the US) like every other ordinary conspiracy theorist in the internet are talking about. That really made sense, considering that China has recovered after Covid-19 was declared a pandemic. What's the point of China and the western elite actually trying to damage the world economy and kill thousands of people? Only a psychopath can imagine such a devious plan.
I doubt the statistical records that they're showing. It seems to me that the WHO and other local/national health organizations are faking these numbers. Specially when they are cremating the corpses leaving no evidence of the real cause of death. Nevertheless, there are still a lot of questions and theories whether this is a man made pandemic or merely unintentional.
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June 05, 2020, 10:50:53 AM |
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1990 - Oil crisis, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart 2000 - dot com bubble crisis, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart 2008 - Banking crisis, Lehman bros, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart 2020 - Corona crises, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart
Debt economy is simply not sustainable, so it needs a restart every 8-10 years triggered by a volutarely created crisis.
So you mean that this current crisis is voluntary created crisis? the one you shown us is indeed a good indication that is but of the all the restart that we had this Corona virus is the most hurting and alarming,if this was created to be a restart, those who created has no conscience. Well, I think that is a matter of perception. How many of the other crises did you witnessed and how many of those had a direct impact on your daily life? E. g. 2008 had high levels of unemployment as well, but it was just 8 years of debt economy and not 12 as we face now. Beside all that, US elections have a tendency to cause turmoil at the markets anyway, which last usually until the election is done, no matter who won. Human life is not traded at the stock markets and therefore has no value - I don´t like that either, but it´s the truth as it seems
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June 05, 2020, 07:16:15 PM |
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Debt economy not being sustainable is obvious, yet they make it look like there is no other way. First of all let's get the reality out of the way, they always get bailed out because they pay millions of dollars in bribes to politicians on both sides and that causes the politicians to save these bankrupted companies with bail outs in order to keep getting that money. That is the reality of the situation. But, what they are using as a bait is the wrong fact that if they allow those companies to bankrupt, it will destroy the economy.
The reality is if a company is bankrupting it should be bankrupting, if that hurts the economy that is fine, at least the economy will suck for a while when those companies bankrupted and billions will be lost but will recover with companies that won't bankrupt next time around and be better in long term.
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June 06, 2020, 02:11:27 PM Last edit: June 06, 2020, 02:40:02 PM by BobK71 |
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I'm still in doubt about that they will put people's lives at risk just for a financial reset
The reality of what is happening right now is still shrouded in unsolved mysteries. The current set of evidence and facts is still in doubt by most of the world community. But it is not impossible Covid-19 is a very powerful weapon to be used as a rearrangement of the global financial system. If this is indeed true, Covid-19 is truly effective because its influence has damaged the global economy. I do not really believe that this is propaganda, but whatever would be true if Covid-19 existed because the world needed improvements in the financial system, then I would say it was an extreme ideology. Killing a part of the population and making it a sacrifice to carry out a very cruel idea. Killing to support financial and imperial agendas (the latter being an ultimate servant of the former) is far from unusual. The US has just started a war that ended up killing half a million Syrians, in order to maintain fear by leaders around the world of the US-led imperial system. Around a hundred years ago, World War I was joined by the US and UK, killing about a million Britons, for what? The media is still struggling to explain. What we do know is that the global financial bubble was moved from an over-indebted UK to a financially stronger US, while removing Germany as a threat to that bubble. Those who are interested in more reality-based knowledge should read 'Confessions of An Economic Hit Man,' written by a former insider, on how the imperial system has really worked all along.
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June 06, 2020, 02:38:38 PM |
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A couple of weeks ago, I posted here my theory that the virus was released intentionally by China AND the Western elites to effect a reset of the global financial system. Why China AND the western elites?Do you think that China and the western elites are working together instead of competing?There are conspiracy theories that China released the virus in order to damage the western economies,but I've never heard about your conspiracy theory.What's the point of China and the western elite actually trying to damage the world economy and kill thousands of people? Only a psychopath can imagine such a devious plan. Yes, different sets of elites can co-operate sometimes and compete other times. When co-operation goes wrong, they might quickly accuse and threaten each other. There are no permanent friends nor enemies in that world. The circumstantial evidence that China and the West worked on the virus together, at least initially, are (Some of the following were mentioned in my other thread on the Coronavirus): - The Western establishment at first spent an enormous amount of capital to defend China against suspicion that the virus came from a Wuhan lab. Both mainstream scientists and media strongly stated that it was 'impossible' that the virus was lab made. (Of course this tune has now changed.) Why did they not use this as a opportunity to both attack China (as they normally use any opportunity to do so) and blame it for problems in the West caused by the virus? - Somehow, the virus defeated containment efforts in all countries with major debt loads: China, US, UK, Japan, Italy, France. Now their only choice is 'mitigation' which will affect their entire economies and financial systems. If politics and incompetence caused containment to fail in a number of the above countries, that would be one thing. But all of them? - Countries in Eastern Europe, less controlled by the US-led global establishment, just happen to be much more able to contain the virus. - HCQ, which is really a major piece of progress in treatment, is somehow not extensively used (and used properly) in any of the major debt-burdened countries. By the way,there is clear evidence that hydroxychloroquine has horrible side effects,so we should NOT consider it the panacea that is going to end the pandemic and cure all infected people.
HCQ has been around for 7 decades. Travelers to poor countries used to routinely take the drug before leaving in order to protect themselves from malaria. Now we say it's harmful? (BTW the Lancet study that claims HCQ has harmful side effects has just been retracted for fraudulent data -- this is just about the only major 'evidence' that HCQ is harmful.)
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Latest news! The major attack-piece on HCQ, the Lancet study, has been retracted because the data seems to be totally fraudulent. E.g. the authors couldn't even name the hospitals who provided them with data, when their Australian data looked suspicious to some researchers. Of course, since the mainstream media relied heavily on this study to attack HCQ just recently, we can now expect a full, immediate and highly visible announcement of their error. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Why would anyone do something like this? Think of the enormous consequences in human lives. Why would any perpetrator expect to get away with this? So, what kind of power is behind this attack? Think, and you will understand.
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If HCQ is indeed an unfairly maligned, highly promising treatment, it does look as if the entire US establishment, not just the anti-Trump politicians and media, and not just big pharma (who stand to profit from much more expensive future vaccines and treatments, whereas HCQ is a generic) is against HCQ, and are desperate to make sure patients don't get cured. This would be consistent with my theory that the Coronavirus was released in order to effect a controlled, gradual reset of the financial system. This is a flawed theory in many levels, when the virus hit you do not have enough data to come to a conclusion that whether one treatment was better than the other and to test that out it needs time. Initial it was like an experiment trying out different drug and everyone's body does not respond the same to different medication. Even during these experimentation the main objective was to prevent the virus from entering the cells and then to prevent it from multiplying and for that they were experimenting with different drugs that are existing and used for other viruses. So the idea about the virus is released as part of an agenda to reset the financial system is absurd, conspiracy theories does not require any proof so it was fun reading your theory ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) . Sure, there are variations in how each person responds to the virus, once exposed and/or treated. But it's clear there are certain major known effects across the population as a whole. (E.g. a certain percentage will get very sick and die.) So, I don't see how my conspiracy theory can be rebutted on this basis.
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Looking at what Donald Trump said in his latest Press briefing, it hints at China blocking travel to major cities within China from Wuhan when it was first discovered that there were a breakout of Covid-19 but no restrictions was placed on travel to any other country. So it looks like China wanted to curb the spread of the virus in their country and not into other countries. ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif) We all know that China wants to be the economic power house of the world, so it would make sense that they would want this virus to spread to the rest of the world and not within China. ( I am afraid that this strategy <if it was true> ..back fired on them, because this outbreak ruined their reputation in the rest of the world. People will always say that the outbreak started in China and that they hid this from the world. ) The question... was this a financial reset or the spark of a global recession. ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) I know, the theory that China released the virus on the world from their lab (deliberately or accidentally) is one of the major narratives in the West today. However, this much is certain. China released the virus on their own population first, in a massive way. They minimized information from October through late January about this virus, and arrested doctors and independent journalists who tried to warn people. And they did this while about 5 million people left the Wuhan/Hubei area to infect the rest of the country (Chinese New Year travel, I imagine.) The fact that China *seems* to have done a better job at responding to the virus once the disaster was in the news, doesn't mean the Chinese experience has been/will be fundamentally different from that of the West. Basically, the virus is on the loose, and there's no vaccine or effective treatment (at least not that can be used.) So, the economy and financial system have to suffer shutdowns due to periodic flare-ups of the disease among the population.
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I saw a news that came from Netherlands that says Covid-19 came was lab made. I don't know if the news is true, but then we really can't ignore that it is possible for a powerful country to create this virus. No one knows. China is so powerful and we can't deny the fact that they have the ability to do such things.
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Well, pandemic is not like the other crashes as you can see but there is really no point on arguing since it is kinda the same thing in the result so how it happened doesn't really matter. If you check the previous reasons why there was a crash it is all financial related and they all caused financial problems for the nation or the world sometimes, if you go waaay back before 90's you will see that there was ton more of those crashes and it was still mostly financial related as well.
The difference right now is the fact that there was a pandemic that caused people to stay at home as much as they can, which obviously has financial results but the reasoning are difference, it is health related reason why the crash happened so it is not the same, however the result is the same so there is really no point arguing about it.
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this is more of a conspiracy theory. but if you believe the world leaders are involve in setting this reset would they prefer to use BTC or beat BTC with their new system like the DCEP of China?
i for once wouldn't bet for BTC if they are really up for financial reset. they are still entirely not making any difference if governments are not going to destroy BTC.
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Whatever is happening in the world right now war of elites and leaders, the primarily affected are the ordinary people and the poor. Virus is not the real threat in our world but the greed of leaders is the real threat, we humans are the primary key to our own extinction, arguments between leaders will never stop and there can never be peace on earth.
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I am sure COVID19 is indeed man-made, if it is man-made it certainly has a certain purpose. And maybe the purpose of the financial reset, indeed the situation now all countries experience an economic crisis. So it's possible in the long run that a financial reset can occur, and many people deny the man-made COVID19. Because it is impossible for humans to sacrifice many lives for the sake of financial reset. Yet in my opinion there are some people who are able to do anything for their purposes, including sacrificing human lives. Therefore the longer I get to know my pet cat, the more I believe humans are scary.
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I think COVID 19 is a human creation The source of this virus is entirely responsible for China to China They have usually caused this kind of disease for their own benefit but so far they have not been able to invent any vaccine. From the city of Wuhan in China It originated in China When the disease originated they have enough vaccines to cure it but they are keeping everything a secret It will take a long time for the virus to get under control.
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There is much speculation about Covid-19 out there, but we don't know the truth. But to be honest, the Covid-19 makes many countries suffer and lose much money. Maybe yes, the Covid-19 is a financial reset for every country, and now, in this new normal, we will see all countries rise again and start recovering their loss. Maybe it needs months or years to recover, and I am sure that people are trying to recover too. We will see new things in every country.
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