Issue with flag system (Please FIX)

[DaCryptoRaccoon]

Hey everyone.

Just wanted to point out the flag system will not work on topics that are self mod.

This pool

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1290219.0


is scamming it's users of LTC and DOGE blocks it's been stealing the block rewards we have been trying to warn user about this but as the topic is self mod there is no way to add a flag on the user.

Please fix the flag system to work on self mod topics or scammers will just start creating them to avoid being flagged by the system.

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[Rikafip]

You don't flag topic, you put flag on user that created that topic. I don't see a reason why you can't create flag against OP.

[rhomelmabini]

I think to cater that is you may post a scam accusation first on the said account then link that to flag him.

You can create a flag using a link on a person's trust page.

I think that's a good find on you because if you have created a self mod accusation thread about him and link that to flag the account that will not still effect. I think you found a good bug, I don't know if this has been found already on the trust flag thread of theymos but I guess it was the first time I heard it. By the way, the trust flag system will celebrate its first anniversary by tomorrow.

You don't flag topic, you put flag on user that created that topic. I don't see a reason why you can't create flag against OP.

I think what he meant is the link to be linked on the flag.

Edit: By the way, @MagicByt3 don't double post, I see it below my post. Edit the first reply instead of creating another reply.

[DaCryptoRaccoon]

You can't create it against the person who started the topic.

I attempted to add a flag to the user who started the topic and it said I could not do this on self-mod topics.

[DaCryptoRaccoon]

I think to cater that is you may post a scam accusation first on the said account then link that to flag him.

You can create a flag using a link on a person's trust page.

I think that's a good find on you because if you have created a self mod accusation thread about him and link that to flag the account that will not still effect. I think you found a good bug, I don't know if this has been found already on the trust flag thread of theymos but I guess it was the first time I heard it. By the way, the trust flag system will celebrate its first anniversary by tomorrow.

Thank you I would agree this is a bug there should be no reason you cannot flag a user just because they have started the topic with self-mod.

I hope theymos can fix this to include topics that are self-mod if you can't flag them scammers will just abuse that by starting the topic with that option enabled and it means no one can issue them with a flag.

I also attempted via the users trust link and it also popped up the you cannot do this error.

[Rikafip]

You can't create it against the person who started the topic.

I attempted to add a flag to the user who started the topic and it said I could not do this on self-mod topics.

Hm, I created flags against OP of self-moderated topics before, here is one recent example.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2809954

And here is the self-moderated topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5250623.msg54487871#msg54487871

[rhomelmabini]

You can't create it against the person who started the topic.

I attempted to add a flag to the user who started the topic and it said I could not do this on self-mod topics.

Hm, I created flags against OP of self-moderated topics before, here is one recent example.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2809954

And here is the self-moderated topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5250623.msg54487871#msg54487871

I can't see a self mod topic linked on that flag. What he really meant is the link to the flag not that if one user has created a self mod topic before will not work it against him, that's not the case he presented here.

[DaCryptoRaccoon]

Below is screens showing that it's impossible to flag this user with there topic link so the system has a flaw.

[Rikafip]

You can't create it against the person who started the topic.

I attempted to add a flag to the user who started the topic and it said I could not do this on self-mod topics.

Hm, I created flags against OP of self-moderated topics before, here is one recent example.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2809954

And here is the self-moderated topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5250623.msg54487871#msg54487871

I can't see a self mod topic linked on that flag.

But why would you use topic link as proof since OP can delete evidence as it's self moderated topic? You should create separate topic explaining why you think someone is scammer and then use that link for flag creation.

I don't know, but for me it looks like system is working as intended.

[ChuckBuck]

You can create a flag using a link on a person's trust page.

I think it's not really an error, by this description of theymos, it means that the flag should be created that way, right? Has anyone tried creating flags through a normal topic? Why do you create a flag with a link to his topic? It doesn't seem to be the way theymos's flag system works. I see people send negative trust to account first, then create flags, I think the problem is there  

Or eventually you can archive topic and then use that link for flag.

I think Rikafip's suggestion is good to try   But by looking at the trusted feedback, OP have sent him a lot of negative feedback from before   Negative feedback also stated that the account was hacked, another factor to create the flag

[rhomelmabini]

But why would you use topic link as proof? You should create separate topic explaining why you think someone is scammer. Or eventually you can archive topic and then use that link for flag.

That's what I suggest to him, to create a flag you have to create a new topic. He presented here a new scenario that he wants to add a flag using the self mod topic of one particular user but it hasn't created because it is self mod. If he created a separate self mod topic to think someone was a scammer that will not work at all since self mod topic wasn't allowed to be linked to the flag. I hope you do get my point here as well as him.

Has anyone tried creating flags through a normal topic?

I did but haven't created a flag yet on a self moderated topic. I think to answer this is to create a self mod topic to be linked on the flag and test it if it will work.

[ChuckBuck]

I did but haven't created a flag yet on a self moderated topic. I think to answer this is create a self mod topic and test it if it can be linked to the flag which I doubt will work.

No no   we shouldn't try, I see a note that the flag can't be deleted after it's created, meaning it will be there, we shouldn't try it on an account.
Edit again: And he's been inactive for a long time, why do you need to create a flag on a dead account, MagicByt3?

[Rikafip]

But why would you use topic link as proof? You should create separate topic explaining why you think someone is scammer. Or eventually you can archive topic and then use that link for flag.

That's what I suggest to him, to create a flag you have to create a new topic. He presented here a new scenario that he wants to add a flag using the self mod topic of one particular user but it hasn't created because it is self mod. If he created a separate self mod topic to think someone was a scammer that will not work at all since self mod topic wasn't allowed to be linked to the flag. I hope you do get my point here as well as him.

Yeah I get it now. I was a bit confused with the his first post, didn't really get what was the issue right from the beginning.
I somehow thought that everyone is creating topic first, before flagging someone, (or using already existing topic created by someone else with proof) as that's what I am doing so I assumed op is doing the same.

[DaCryptoRaccoon]

The flag system asks for the topic link by default you can't just flag without it so if the scammer just makes his topic self mod you cannot add it to the flag system which is a major flaw in the system.

I'm sure there are many abusing this now and it means that I am unable to flag the user's topic for scamming users.

I hope the admin will look at this and change the flag system so this users topic and any self-mod topic can be added as people are losing a lot of money there and there is no way to flag it to warn new miners.

I hope my screenshots prove what I am saying.

[Upgrade00]

As mentioned one should not create a flag linking to a post of the alleged scammer as proof, It can be edited and the evidence lost.
You should create a new topic containing the reason(s) for the flag, (you can archive the post from the alleged scammer and include it) other members would go through the evidence and choose to support or oppose the flag.
I would assume that not being able to use a self-moderated topic will not be a bug, but to prevent users censoring any arguments against them. One would not be able to defend themselves in a self-moderated thread as their replies can be deleted by the OP, and other users cannot reach an unbiased conclusion.

Local rules should not apply in cases of scam accusation.

I'm sure there are many abusing this now and it means that I am unable to flag the user's topic for scamming users.

Create a new thread, archive the self-moderated topic of the user and include it as evidence, link that to your flag, if you get more support than opposition, the warning banner would be displayed above the user's post, self-moderated or not.

[rhomelmabini]

No no   we shouldn't try, I see a note that the flag can't be deleted after it's created, meaning it will be there, we shouldn't try it on an account.
Edit again: And he's been inactive for a long time, why do you need to create a flag on a dead account, MagicByt3?

I don't know his reason but I guess being active by the topic created by the user.

Yeah I get it now. I was a bit confused with the his first post, didn't really get what was the issue right from the beginning.
I somehow thought that everyone is creating topic first, before flagging someone, (or using already existing topic created by someone else with proof) as that's what I am doing so I assumed op is doing the same.

Well, as the trust flag notice you should have to link a clear specific topic to create a flag. But my bad as well as to the OP that it shouldn't be a self mod topic in the first place, see for the images MagicByt3 posted and we can get a clearer view of it. It isn't a bug.

This one:

You must link to a topic documenting your specific concerns. Someone visiting your topic should get a clear idea of what this flag is about. The topic must not be self-moderated. If you flag many users, you can create a single flag-explanations topic.

[DaCryptoRaccoon]

I made it clear why I needed to add a flag this pool is stealing hashpower and block rewards.  
A quick 2 sec read over the commented will show people asking where there reward went well it went directly to the pool OP..

And there seems to be no way to quickly set the flag without opening a new topic but I think your missing the point..

at this point there is no reason to open a new topic as the user has not logged in for a long time but if I flag the user maybe some new miners may spot it and not mine there and lose there blocks.

You cannot flag a topic that is self mod that's the issue.

[Rikafip]

You cannot flag a topic that is self mod that's the issue.

But topic or posts can be deleted and in that case you loose all the evidence in the flag. Just take for example your last flag
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1780

Luckily tvplus006 made the flag as well, and he used the link of the topic he created
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=913

When I want to check the topic where it's explained why that user is scammer, topic is missing, it has been deleted it seems. So how can I support the flag if i don't have some evidence? I see that you made 23 flags so far, I hope you haven' t made all of them the same way.

[DaCryptoRaccoon]

You cannot flag a topic that is self mod that's the issue.

But topic or posts can be deleted and in that case you loose all the evidence in the flag. Just take for example your last flag
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1780

When I want to check the topic where it's explained why that user is scammer, topic is missing, it has been deleted it seems. So how can I support the flag if i don't have some evidence? I see that you made 23 flags so far, I hope you haven' t made all of them the same way.

A lot of the topics I flag are for users posting stolen credit cards for sale or bank transfers the topics end up being deleted by the mods as I report them as fraud as a service so a lot of them end up with missing topics.

I don't see the point in opening a separate topic for these as they are against the forum TOS and the flags are to alert users so most of them do not require a whole separate posts to be created.

[PrimeNumber7]

Create a new thread with the relevant evidence. Don’t make it self moderated.

You cannot open a flag against anyone using a self moderated thread. This is to ensure the accused is able to respond.