Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone... What are your thoughts on it?

[madnessteat]

That's funny. I'm a Russian citizen and we're brainwashed the same way as you are only in the opposite way. I think you all are well aware of the Dulles Doctrine, which describes the U.S. actions against the USSR. So we have every new domestic political problem in the country looking for guilt in the US, China and Ukraine.

I think we should stop looking for enemies outside of our countries. The enemies are closer than we think.

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[KingScorpio]

That's funny. I'm a Russian citizen and we're brainwashed the same way as you are only in the opposite way. I think you all are well aware of the Dulles Doctrine, which describes the U.S. actions against the USSR. So we have every new domestic political problem in the country looking for guilt in the US, China and Ukraine.

I think we should stop looking for enemies outside of our countries. The enemies are closer than we think.

i was born a russian citizen and grew up in the west,

from my knowledge i learned about capitalism i know it cannot have friends if not bought,

capitalism is naturally hostile against everyone else, neverendingly thats why russia always needs to be armed to not be mistreated by usa or other countries,

i would prefer though a return to a new soviet union maybe in the form of the eurasian union.

[squatz1]

That's funny. I'm a Russian citizen and we're brainwashed the same way as you are only in the opposite way. I think you all are well aware of the Dulles Doctrine, which describes the U.S. actions against the USSR. So we have every new domestic political problem in the country looking for guilt in the US, China and Ukraine.

I think we should stop looking for enemies outside of our countries. The enemies are closer than we think.

I don't know if I'd say we're brainwashed in the same way, you're probably a bit more brainwashed (or attempted brainwashing, that is). That's not me saying you believe it, I just think the stakes are higher in a country like Russia when it comes to making people believe what the government is saying.

But yes, while the countries of the US and Russia may be the enemies -- the people shouldn't be enemies. I may hate the Chinese government, but that doesn't mean I should hate the people of China.

We do the same thing here -- I think every country does that -- blaming others (outside of their country) for the issues going on.

[coins4commies]

I suggest reading up on the different ideologies instead of just referring to everything thats not capitalism as "communism". Thats the way I learned it in grade school too but its wrong.  

Even once you understand that all these things are different, theres still a lot more nuance to be learned.  It still won't be as simplistic as you want it to be because  there are so many different types of anarchists, communists,etc.  Hell, even the parties in our federal republic can't agree much on the role of government.  I like Democratic confederalism and recommend reading up on Bookchin or Abdullah Ocalan to learn more about how it works.  

I literally have been taking political compass tests for years at this point, and I have LITERALLY never seen this before in my entire life. I mean don't get me wrong the exact lines drawn are going to be a bit subjective as  the lines are a bit fuzzy between different groups based on policy.

But this is very interesting, I'll have to make a thread on all of our political compass tests -- though it is kinda out of date now, the questions are a bit too old (unless they've updated it since I've taken it last)

Yeah, I hate that the questions are so specific to what was going on at the time it was made.  Even if its not completely accurate, its a great visual aid for people who think everything outside of the top right quadrant is "communism"

[hornetsnest]

[TECSHARE]

I suggest reading up on the different ideologies instead of just referring to everything thats not capitalism as "communism". Thats the way I learned it in grade school too but its wrong.  

Even once you understand that all these things are different, theres still a lot more nuance to be learned.  It still won't be as simplistic as you want it to be because  there are so many different types of anarchists, communists,etc.  Hell, even the parties in our federal republic can't agree much on the role of government.  I like Democratic confederalism and recommend reading up on Bookchin or Abdullah Ocalan to learn more about how it works.  

This is on it's face a garbage chart. The point is to have an evenly distributed map to show a spectrum ideologies. Of course King Comtard finds the one that includes special exceptions only for his preferred ideology expanding the centrist area as if that makes them seem a little more reasonable by redrawing a line arbitrarily. Special rules for special people, always looking for new ways to put their thumbs on the scale.

[coins4commies]

I don't know what you mean, but if you have a specific problem with something on there it shouldn't be a dealbreaker.  Its all approximate.   You could look at other ones that have been filled out with people.  These individuals are all in the correct vacinity but different people might have subtle disagreements about the exact positioning of where they are.  No one should confuse Stalin's position with Chomsky's though.

[TECSHARE]

I don't know what you mean, but if you have a specific problem with something on there it shouldn't be a dealbreaker.  Its all approximate.   You could look at other ones that have been filled out with people.  These individuals are all in the correct vacinity but different people might have subtle disagreements about the exact positioning of where they are.  No one should confuse Stalin's position with Chomsky's though.

What deal? You are garbage and so are your arguments.

[Spendulus]

I don't know what you mean, but if you have a specific problem with something on there it shouldn't be a dealbreaker.  Its all approximate.   You could look at other ones that have been filled out with people.  These individuals are all in the correct vacinity but different people might have subtle disagreements about the exact positioning of where they are.  No one should confuse Stalin's position with Chomsky's though.

What deal? You are garbage and so are your arguments.

The mixup of individuals, philosophies and nations in the same chart?

If not just "garbage" it's downright weird. Stein? On the same chart as Mao, Reagan, Jefferson? You are kidding, right? Sanders? Middle of the road, eh? He's one of the more authoritarian creeps of the last several decades.

But regardless, a chart of this type with FAILED US SOCIALIST CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT?

[Gyfts]

The Mayor of Seattle has the dumbest take on "CHAZ" I have ever seen in my life. I really hope liberals are looking at her sheer stupidity and will call her out on it when it comes voting time. She put out a series of tweets to spite Trump after he had threatened to use federal forces in Seattle:

It's clear
@realDonaldTrump
 doesn’t understand what’s happening on five square blocks of our City. Cal Anderson and Capitol Hill has for decades been a place for free speech, community, and self expression.
Lawfully gathering and expressing first amendment rights, demanding we do better as a society and provide true equity for  communities of color is not terrorism - it is patriotism.
The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone #CHAZ is not a lawless wasteland of anarchist insurrection - it is a peaceful expression of our community's collective grief and their desire to build a better world. Given his track record, it's not hard to believe that Trump is wrong, yet again.

The Mayor of Seattle is defending CHAZ as if it is a form of peaceful protest because she feels forced to do a 180 on Trump's take of the situation. There's graffiti everywhere, physical barricades shutting down the roads, and people being mobbed to leave the area if they don't agree with what's going on. Imagine if you're a small business owner in the area having virtually all patronage grinding to a halt because edgy millenials want to play anarchy shutting down 6 blocks of public city streets and having the Mayor support that effort. It's insane. Putting up barriers and shutting down 6 blocks isn't a form of peaceful protest.


She also paid a visit to CHAZ recently - https://twitter.com/MayorJenny/status/1271653002982469632

With a security escort, of course. Because all safe peaceful demonstrations with zero hostility require armed police near by.

[Spendulus]

....Putting up barriers and shutting down 6 blocks isn't a form of peaceful protest. ....

No, it's not. I wonder what happens when it'r property tax collection time. You know, time to collect the money to pay for the schools, hospitals, police and such?

Does CHAZ collect and keep the taxes?

Or do the city and county say, "Your little fun time is up. Get out or we throw you out."

[hornetsnest]

I've had this deleted along with some other posts so will re post without comment this time so I cannot be accused of infringing terms and conditions and not complying with posting rules.If it is deleted again it means someone is performing censorship or moderating with a personal bias  

[TECSHARE]

I've had this deleted along with some other posts so will re post without comment this time so I cannot be accused of infringing terms and conditions and not complying with posting rules.If it is deleted again it means someone is performing censorship or moderating with a personal bias  



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We wouldn't wan't people sharing the horrible reality of these riots now would we? We cant have that, it goes against wokeness dogma. Theymos is letting this place get turned into another Facefuck or Twatter where all that has to happen is some little turd who thinks free speech is only for those that agree with them sends reports and an ideologically aligned moderator of course is happy to oblige. Funny how those rules seem to magically not apply when they agree with the sentiment though.

[coins4commies]

Theres nothing violent about CHAZ/CHOP.  The barricades are to prevent terrorists from driving through the crowd  and make it difficult for anyone to assault the crowd which is something that has been happening around the country. 

The mixup of individuals, philosophies and nations in the same chart?

If not just "garbage" it's downright weird. Stein? On the same chart as Mao, Reagan, Jefferson? You are kidding, right? Sanders? Middle of the road, eh? He's one of the more authoritarian creeps of the last several decades.

But regardless, a chart of this type with FAILED US SOCIALIST CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT?

The point is to put them all on the same chart so people can get a visual idea about where different ideologies fall on the spectrum.  Anyone can take the quiz but you can also take the quiz based on someone's platform, the policies of a nation, or your understanding of how a past leader would have answered questions based on their policies and quotes.   

This particular chart may not place everyone accurate but everyone has a true position and this gets those positions in the correct vicinity at least.  Of course the placing is only as precise as the quiz allows which is somewhat limited and far from comprehensive. 

If you have a problem with where Stein, or anyone else is placed, then talk about that and put an argument forward about where you think they should be placed. 

[Gyfts]

....Putting up barriers and shutting down 6 blocks isn't a form of peaceful protest. ....

No, it's not. I wonder what happens when it'r property tax collection time. You know, time to collect the money to pay for the schools, hospitals, police and such?

Does CHAZ collect and keep the taxes?

Or do the city and county say, "Your little fun time is up. Get out or we throw you out."

Anarchist accepting government money? Wait a second, something doesn't quite add up.

Once these children are done role playing they'll get bored and leave on their own.

[Spendulus]

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If you have a problem with where Stein, or anyone else is placed, then talk about that and put an argument forward about where you think they should be placed.  

They should be carefully picked up in a small plastic bag, that carefully closed, and placed in the nearest trash bin along with all the other doggie doodoo.

[nutildah]

I don't know what you mean, but if you have a specific problem with something on there it shouldn't be a dealbreaker.  Its all approximate.   You could look at other ones that have been filled out with people.  These individuals are all in the correct vacinity but different people might have subtle disagreements about the exact positioning of where they are.  No one should confuse Stalin's position with Chomsky's though.

How would you describe somebody who is full-tilt authoritarian when their party is in power and full-tilt libertarian when they are not? Asking for a friend.

[squatz1]

I don't know what you mean, but if you have a specific problem with something on there it shouldn't be a dealbreaker.  Its all approximate.   You could look at other ones that have been filled out with people.  These individuals are all in the correct vacinity but different people might have subtle disagreements about the exact positioning of where they are.  No one should confuse Stalin's position with Chomsky's though.

Oh it wasn't me saying that the chart you sent was wrong, it was me saying that I thought all of the lines themselves -- the cut off points if you will -- are a bit abritrary and left up to intepretation. I'd say if you ask 1000 Poly Science professors you'd find conflicting views on the matter as well.

So yeah, I think we agree with this. Nothing wrong here.

I don't know what you mean, but if you have a specific problem with something on there it shouldn't be a dealbreaker.  Its all approximate.   You could look at other ones that have been filled out with people.  These individuals are all in the correct vacinity but different people might have subtle disagreements about the exact positioning of where they are.  No one should confuse Stalin's position with Chomsky's though.

How would you describe somebody who is full-tilt authoritarian when their party is in power and full-tilt libertarian when they are not? Asking for a friend.

A regular person, lol.

[Spendulus]

I don't know what you mean, but if you have a specific problem with something on there it shouldn't be a dealbreaker.  Its all approximate.   You could look at other ones that have been filled out with people.  These individuals are all in the correct vacinity but different people might have subtle disagreements about the exact positioning of where they are.  No one should confuse Stalin's position with Chomsky's though.

How would you describe somebody who is full-tilt authoritarian when their party is in power and full-tilt libertarian when they are not? Asking for a friend.

What's wrong with this chart is it's static. In the USA, the last decade has shown a tremendous tilt of the US Democratic Party. Similarly, Stalin changed a great deal during his reign of power.

These movements are much more interesting than some pin stuck on a dead bug on the wall.

[af_newbie]

Theres nothing violent about CHAZ/CHOP.  The barricades are to prevent terrorists from driving through the crowd  and make it difficult for anyone to assault the crowd which is something that has been happening around the country. 

The mixup of individuals, philosophies and nations in the same chart?

If not just "garbage" it's downright weird. Stein? On the same chart as Mao, Reagan, Jefferson? You are kidding, right? Sanders? Middle of the road, eh? He's one of the more authoritarian creeps of the last several decades.

But regardless, a chart of this type with FAILED US SOCIALIST CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT?

The point is to put them all on the same chart so people can get a visual idea about where different ideologies fall on the spectrum.  Anyone can take the quiz but you can also take the quiz based on someone's platform, the policies of a nation, or your understanding of how a past leader would have answered questions based on their policies and quotes.   

This particular chart may not place everyone accurate but everyone has a true position and this gets those positions in the correct vicinity at least.  Of course the placing is only as precise as the quiz allows which is somewhat limited and far from comprehensive. 

If you have a problem with where Stein, or anyone else is placed, then talk about that and put an argument forward about where you think they should be placed. 

People who occupy this area are terrorists.

They should be arrested and charged with sedition.