Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone... What are your thoughts on it?

[gmakaveli]

Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone... What are your thoughts on it?

If you don't know what's going on I advice you to google it for yourself, but the mere fact that Seattle downtown is now occupied by anarchists and  none of democratic media have covered it yet says it all to me.

My opinion: I think the US police should be reformed from the top to the bottom, there are many real issues that deserve this kind of reaction by masses, but now we need police more than ever before. This surely looks like the beginning of some horrific 1917 Russia type of shit with literal plot taken from Orwell's Animal Farm.

These "opressed" kids don't know what they're fighting for, if they lived in the post-soviet society they would surely know how all of these communist "equalizing" attempts end up with massive murders, starvation, economy collapse and deep brainwashing (that's already been done by marxist educational system in the US for the last couple of decades unfortunately). This can end up really bad if more sane sitizens hide their tongues in their asses, which is going on a lot right now. They need to speak up and stand up before it's too late.

Here's very educating and scary prophetic words about what's going on now said 30 years ago by a soviet KGB defector:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2HiZ41C_w&feature=emb_logo

There's too much anger and unconscious actions that may lead to someone with "benevolent" intentions to take advantage of this power, steer it to their will and use it to wipe out the greatness of this beautiful country.

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[TECSHARE]

The Marxists ran out of food in 48 hours. That is a new record.

[suchmoon]

none of democratic media have covered it yet says it all to me.

Not sure what you mean by "democratic media" but there's plenty of coverage, from Bezos Post, CNN, MSNBC, you name it.

Let me guess, you got told that there is no coverage and you didn't bother to check yourself?

As for the "CHAZ" itself... kids will get bored, police will move back in, it will be forgotten by July.

[alani123]

I think it's quite interesting what's happening there. It's obvious that for any revolution to take place, the police would have to be ousted first. I see people's power in numbers.

Right now I feel the CHAZ incident has been greatly exaggerated though. There's a little but or black market activity and voluntary trade, but other than that police can still enter in small numbers without incident, society functions as before and there's no claim to autonomy really. The name might be a meme. There's just a large number of BLM protesters, which is the majority of the cause. Anything else other than BLM, even according to most people there, is just noise. I'm getting a feeling that even trump got memed into this.

I've spend a few hours in the last few days watching live streams from the area out of interest and it's quite interesting how peaceful it is. Businesses are still running. Police chiefs were quoted saying that they were interested to re-enter the area, but with some level of administrative support (or tolerance) to the protesters it would be a no-no for the police to enter with force. Moreover, police doesn't know who to talk to as the movement is leaderless. If it keeps going for much longer then it'd be interesting to study the behavior of people in there and transactions completed. Bitcoin would be a very good fit in what's been called "counter-economics" that's being reportedly exercised there.

[KingScorpio]

i can't watch the americans anymore they are so annoying they will never stop being racist, today the rightwingers are communist while the leftwingers have become racist scumbacks

they are destroying braincells worldwide.

is there some kind of usa blocker software so you don't have to look at usa related issues.

[suchmoon]

is there some kind of usa blocker software so you don't have to look at usa related issues.

You could just not look at those issues. I don't care about Kardashian-related issues so I don't look at them.

[KingScorpio]

is there some kind of usa blocker software so you don't have to look at usa related issues.

You could just not look at those issues. I don't care about Kardashian-related issues so I don't look at them.

the usa is annyoing the entire world with its racism problems

the joke is

in the past the republicans where racist and the democrats where communist

today its vice versa, the usa will never get rid of racism until it is a single race society,

and even then they will be in conflict against each other -> people vs. institutions

[gerica0613]

Here's very educating and scary prophetic words about what's going on now said 30 years ago by a soviet KGB defector:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2HiZ41C_w&feature=emb_logo

This is peculiar to say the least, the guy definitely knows what he's talking about. Although I won't panic about the whole deal, that's a good social experiment unless they actualy do what they plan to do

[KingScorpio]

Here's very educating and scary prophetic words about what's going on now said 30 years ago by a soviet KGB defector:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2HiZ41C_w&feature=emb_logo

This is peculiar to say the least, the guy definitely knows what he's talking about. Although I won't panic about the whole deal, that's a good social experiment unless they actualy do what they plan to do

if russians wanted to formally and totaly takeover america they would have done long time ago, but america is more valuable to russia in a certain form, so russia tries to change that.

[KingScorpio]

capitol hill now applying racial segregation technices, leftist democrats are being exposed for the racists they are

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLLDHEcSzrA&t=16s

[coins4commies]

Anarchists and Soviets are on opposite ends of the authority spectrum.  OP has conflated the two and probably understands neither.   Rojava is a better example of what an organized anarchy looks like long term.  

[TECSHARE]

Anarchists and Soviets are on opposite ends of the authority spectrum.  OP has conflated the two and probably understands neither.   Rojava is a better example of what an organized anarchy looks like long term.  

No they aren't. Anarchists are the delivery mechanism for communism.

[Spendulus]

Anarchists and Soviets are on opposite ends of the authority spectrum.  OP has conflated the two and probably understands neither.   Rojava is a better example of what an organized anarchy looks like long term.  

Since you are a communist, you must lie about this to hide the things your communist friends are doing.

[af_newbie]

Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone... What are your thoughts on it?

If you don't know what's going on I advice you to google it for yourself, but the mere fact that Seattle downtown is now occupied by anarchists and  none of democratic media have covered it yet says it all to me.

My opinion: I think the US police should be reformed from the top to the bottom, there are many real issues that deserve this kind of reaction by masses, but now we need police more than ever before. This surely looks like the beginning of some horrific 1917 Russia type of shit with literal plot taken from Orwell's Animal Farm.

These "opressed" kids don't know what they're fighting for, if they lived in the post-soviet society they would surely know how all of these communist "equalizing" attempts end up with massive murders, starvation, economy collapse and deep brainwashing (that's already been done by marxist educational system in the US for the last couple of decades unfortunately). This can end up really bad if more sane sitizens hide their tongues in their asses, which is going on a lot right now. They need to speak up and stand up before it's too late.

Here's very educating and scary prophetic words about what's going on now said 30 years ago by a soviet KGB defector:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2HiZ41C_w&feature=emb_logo

There's too much anger and unconscious actions that may lead to someone with "benevolent" intentions to take advantage of this power, steer it to their will and use it to wipe out the greatness of this beautiful country.

These occupations of public spaces should be dealt with asap.  Organizers and participants should be arrested and charged with robbery.

Otherwise, these bolshevik mini revolutions will metastasize all over the country, then we'll have a real problem.

Deal with it when you can.  Law and order must be restored.

[squatz1]

none of democratic media have covered it yet says it all to me.

Not sure what you mean by "democratic media" but there's plenty of coverage, from Bezos Post, CNN, MSNBC, you name it.

Let me guess, you got told that there is no coverage and you didn't bother to check yourself?

As for the "CHAZ" itself... kids will get bored, police will move back in, it will be forgotten by July.

+1 to that.

Everyone has been reporting on this. Yeah maybe the right has dedicated more time to it, but that's to be expected.

CHAZ will end soon. But it will be freaking people out while it is going on -- taking over a few blocks in Seattle and the police leaving it to you is nothing to scoff about. If things like this continue in the rest of the US -- public opinion is probably going to shift to allow the national guard to storm in and take back the country. Ya know?

[coins4commies]

 I suggest reading up on the different ideologies instead of just referring to everything thats not capitalism as "communism". Thats the way I learned it in grade school too but its wrong.  

Even once you understand that all these things are different, theres still a lot more nuance to be learned.  It still won't be as simplistic as you want it to be because  there are so many different types of anarchists, communists,etc.  Hell, even the parties in our federal republic can't agree much on the role of government.  I like Democratic confederalism and recommend reading up on Bookchin or Abdullah Ocalan to learn more about how it works.  

[KingScorpio]

I suggest reading up on the different ideologies instead of just referring to everything thats not capitalism as "communism". Thats the way I learned it in grade school too but its wrong.  

Even once you understand that all these things are different, theres still a lot more nuance to be learned.  It still won't be as simplistic as you want it to be because  there are so many different types of anarchists, communists,etc.  Hell, even the parties in our federal republic can't agree much on the role of government.  I like Democratic confederalism and recommend reading up on Bookchin or Abdullah Ocalan to learn more about how it works.  

also left and right are neutral there is no left is bad and right is bad, they depict different capitalists

very well made graph did you made it?

[canaris1985]

also left and right are neutral there is no left is bad and right is bad

Yes. I don't really care whether it's left or right, I'm only worried when any of these sides tries to shut down opinions that don't fill in according to their ideology. That's an attack on freedom of speech and all the values that western civilization has been fighting to establish

[KingScorpio]

also left and right are neutral there is no left is bad and right is bad

Yes. I don't really care whether it's left or right, I'm only worried when any of these sides tries to shut down opinions that don't fill in according to their ideology. That's an attack on freedom of speech and all the values that western civilization has been fighting to establish

i would rather say left is bad, it tends somehow to sell of its own population for foreigners.

[squatz1]

I suggest reading up on the different ideologies instead of just referring to everything thats not capitalism as "communism". Thats the way I learned it in grade school too but its wrong.  

Even once you understand that all these things are different, theres still a lot more nuance to be learned.  It still won't be as simplistic as you want it to be because  there are so many different types of anarchists, communists,etc.  Hell, even the parties in our federal republic can't agree much on the role of government.  I like Democratic confederalism and recommend reading up on Bookchin or Abdullah Ocalan to learn more about how it works.  

I literally have been taking political compass tests for years at this point, and I have LITERALLY never seen this before in my entire life. I mean don't get me wrong the exact lines drawn are going to be a bit subjective as  the lines are a bit fuzzy between different groups based on policy.

But this is very interesting, I'll have to make a thread on all of our political compass tests -- though it is kinda out of date now, the questions are a bit too old (unless they've updated it since I've taken it last)

[madnessteat]

That's funny. I'm a Russian citizen and we're brainwashed the same way as you are only in the opposite way. I think you all are well aware of the Dulles Doctrine, which describes the U.S. actions against the USSR. So we have every new domestic political problem in the country looking for guilt in the US, China and Ukraine.

I think we should stop looking for enemies outside of our countries. The enemies are closer than we think.

[KingScorpio]

That's funny. I'm a Russian citizen and we're brainwashed the same way as you are only in the opposite way. I think you all are well aware of the Dulles Doctrine, which describes the U.S. actions against the USSR. So we have every new domestic political problem in the country looking for guilt in the US, China and Ukraine.

I think we should stop looking for enemies outside of our countries. The enemies are closer than we think.

i was born a russian citizen and grew up in the west,

from my knowledge i learned about capitalism i know it cannot have friends if not bought,

capitalism is naturally hostile against everyone else, neverendingly thats why russia always needs to be armed to not be mistreated by usa or other countries,

i would prefer though a return to a new soviet union maybe in the form of the eurasian union.

[squatz1]

That's funny. I'm a Russian citizen and we're brainwashed the same way as you are only in the opposite way. I think you all are well aware of the Dulles Doctrine, which describes the U.S. actions against the USSR. So we have every new domestic political problem in the country looking for guilt in the US, China and Ukraine.

I think we should stop looking for enemies outside of our countries. The enemies are closer than we think.

I don't know if I'd say we're brainwashed in the same way, you're probably a bit more brainwashed (or attempted brainwashing, that is). That's not me saying you believe it, I just think the stakes are higher in a country like Russia when it comes to making people believe what the government is saying.

But yes, while the countries of the US and Russia may be the enemies -- the people shouldn't be enemies. I may hate the Chinese government, but that doesn't mean I should hate the people of China.

We do the same thing here -- I think every country does that -- blaming others (outside of their country) for the issues going on.

[coins4commies]

I suggest reading up on the different ideologies instead of just referring to everything thats not capitalism as "communism". Thats the way I learned it in grade school too but its wrong.  

Even once you understand that all these things are different, theres still a lot more nuance to be learned.  It still won't be as simplistic as you want it to be because  there are so many different types of anarchists, communists,etc.  Hell, even the parties in our federal republic can't agree much on the role of government.  I like Democratic confederalism and recommend reading up on Bookchin or Abdullah Ocalan to learn more about how it works.  

I literally have been taking political compass tests for years at this point, and I have LITERALLY never seen this before in my entire life. I mean don't get me wrong the exact lines drawn are going to be a bit subjective as  the lines are a bit fuzzy between different groups based on policy.

But this is very interesting, I'll have to make a thread on all of our political compass tests -- though it is kinda out of date now, the questions are a bit too old (unless they've updated it since I've taken it last)

Yeah, I hate that the questions are so specific to what was going on at the time it was made.  Even if its not completely accurate, its a great visual aid for people who think everything outside of the top right quadrant is "communism"

[hornetsnest]

[TECSHARE]

I suggest reading up on the different ideologies instead of just referring to everything thats not capitalism as "communism". Thats the way I learned it in grade school too but its wrong.  

Even once you understand that all these things are different, theres still a lot more nuance to be learned.  It still won't be as simplistic as you want it to be because  there are so many different types of anarchists, communists,etc.  Hell, even the parties in our federal republic can't agree much on the role of government.  I like Democratic confederalism and recommend reading up on Bookchin or Abdullah Ocalan to learn more about how it works.  

This is on it's face a garbage chart. The point is to have an evenly distributed map to show a spectrum ideologies. Of course King Comtard finds the one that includes special exceptions only for his preferred ideology expanding the centrist area as if that makes them seem a little more reasonable by redrawing a line arbitrarily. Special rules for special people, always looking for new ways to put their thumbs on the scale.

[coins4commies]

I don't know what you mean, but if you have a specific problem with something on there it shouldn't be a dealbreaker.  Its all approximate.   You could look at other ones that have been filled out with people.  These individuals are all in the correct vacinity but different people might have subtle disagreements about the exact positioning of where they are.  No one should confuse Stalin's position with Chomsky's though.

[TECSHARE]

I don't know what you mean, but if you have a specific problem with something on there it shouldn't be a dealbreaker.  Its all approximate.   You could look at other ones that have been filled out with people.  These individuals are all in the correct vacinity but different people might have subtle disagreements about the exact positioning of where they are.  No one should confuse Stalin's position with Chomsky's though.

What deal? You are garbage and so are your arguments.

[Spendulus]

I don't know what you mean, but if you have a specific problem with something on there it shouldn't be a dealbreaker.  Its all approximate.   You could look at other ones that have been filled out with people.  These individuals are all in the correct vacinity but different people might have subtle disagreements about the exact positioning of where they are.  No one should confuse Stalin's position with Chomsky's though.

What deal? You are garbage and so are your arguments.

The mixup of individuals, philosophies and nations in the same chart?

If not just "garbage" it's downright weird. Stein? On the same chart as Mao, Reagan, Jefferson? You are kidding, right? Sanders? Middle of the road, eh? He's one of the more authoritarian creeps of the last several decades.

But regardless, a chart of this type with FAILED US SOCIALIST CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT?

[Gyfts]

The Mayor of Seattle has the dumbest take on "CHAZ" I have ever seen in my life. I really hope liberals are looking at her sheer stupidity and will call her out on it when it comes voting time. She put out a series of tweets to spite Trump after he had threatened to use federal forces in Seattle:

It's clear
@realDonaldTrump
 doesn’t understand what’s happening on five square blocks of our City. Cal Anderson and Capitol Hill has for decades been a place for free speech, community, and self expression.
Lawfully gathering and expressing first amendment rights, demanding we do better as a society and provide true equity for  communities of color is not terrorism - it is patriotism.
The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone #CHAZ is not a lawless wasteland of anarchist insurrection - it is a peaceful expression of our community's collective grief and their desire to build a better world. Given his track record, it's not hard to believe that Trump is wrong, yet again.

The Mayor of Seattle is defending CHAZ as if it is a form of peaceful protest because she feels forced to do a 180 on Trump's take of the situation. There's graffiti everywhere, physical barricades shutting down the roads, and people being mobbed to leave the area if they don't agree with what's going on. Imagine if you're a small business owner in the area having virtually all patronage grinding to a halt because edgy millenials want to play anarchy shutting down 6 blocks of public city streets and having the Mayor support that effort. It's insane. Putting up barriers and shutting down 6 blocks isn't a form of peaceful protest.


She also paid a visit to CHAZ recently - https://twitter.com/MayorJenny/status/1271653002982469632

With a security escort, of course. Because all safe peaceful demonstrations with zero hostility require armed police near by.

[Spendulus]

....Putting up barriers and shutting down 6 blocks isn't a form of peaceful protest. ....

No, it's not. I wonder what happens when it'r property tax collection time. You know, time to collect the money to pay for the schools, hospitals, police and such?

Does CHAZ collect and keep the taxes?

Or do the city and county say, "Your little fun time is up. Get out or we throw you out."

[hornetsnest]

I've had this deleted along with some other posts so will re post without comment this time so I cannot be accused of infringing terms and conditions and not complying with posting rules.If it is deleted again it means someone is performing censorship or moderating with a personal bias  

[TECSHARE]

I've had this deleted along with some other posts so will re post without comment this time so I cannot be accused of infringing terms and conditions and not complying with posting rules.If it is deleted again it means someone is performing censorship or moderating with a personal bias  



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We wouldn't wan't people sharing the horrible reality of these riots now would we? We cant have that, it goes against wokeness dogma. Theymos is letting this place get turned into another Facefuck or Twatter where all that has to happen is some little turd who thinks free speech is only for those that agree with them sends reports and an ideologically aligned moderator of course is happy to oblige. Funny how those rules seem to magically not apply when they agree with the sentiment though.

[coins4commies]

Theres nothing violent about CHAZ/CHOP.  The barricades are to prevent terrorists from driving through the crowd  and make it difficult for anyone to assault the crowd which is something that has been happening around the country. 

The mixup of individuals, philosophies and nations in the same chart?

If not just "garbage" it's downright weird. Stein? On the same chart as Mao, Reagan, Jefferson? You are kidding, right? Sanders? Middle of the road, eh? He's one of the more authoritarian creeps of the last several decades.

But regardless, a chart of this type with FAILED US SOCIALIST CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT?

The point is to put them all on the same chart so people can get a visual idea about where different ideologies fall on the spectrum.  Anyone can take the quiz but you can also take the quiz based on someone's platform, the policies of a nation, or your understanding of how a past leader would have answered questions based on their policies and quotes.   

This particular chart may not place everyone accurate but everyone has a true position and this gets those positions in the correct vicinity at least.  Of course the placing is only as precise as the quiz allows which is somewhat limited and far from comprehensive. 

If you have a problem with where Stein, or anyone else is placed, then talk about that and put an argument forward about where you think they should be placed. 

[Gyfts]

....Putting up barriers and shutting down 6 blocks isn't a form of peaceful protest. ....

No, it's not. I wonder what happens when it'r property tax collection time. You know, time to collect the money to pay for the schools, hospitals, police and such?

Does CHAZ collect and keep the taxes?

Or do the city and county say, "Your little fun time is up. Get out or we throw you out."

Anarchist accepting government money? Wait a second, something doesn't quite add up.

Once these children are done role playing they'll get bored and leave on their own.

[Spendulus]

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If you have a problem with where Stein, or anyone else is placed, then talk about that and put an argument forward about where you think they should be placed.  

They should be carefully picked up in a small plastic bag, that carefully closed, and placed in the nearest trash bin along with all the other doggie doodoo.

[nutildah]

I don't know what you mean, but if you have a specific problem with something on there it shouldn't be a dealbreaker.  Its all approximate.   You could look at other ones that have been filled out with people.  These individuals are all in the correct vacinity but different people might have subtle disagreements about the exact positioning of where they are.  No one should confuse Stalin's position with Chomsky's though.

How would you describe somebody who is full-tilt authoritarian when their party is in power and full-tilt libertarian when they are not? Asking for a friend.

[squatz1]

I don't know what you mean, but if you have a specific problem with something on there it shouldn't be a dealbreaker.  Its all approximate.   You could look at other ones that have been filled out with people.  These individuals are all in the correct vacinity but different people might have subtle disagreements about the exact positioning of where they are.  No one should confuse Stalin's position with Chomsky's though.

Oh it wasn't me saying that the chart you sent was wrong, it was me saying that I thought all of the lines themselves -- the cut off points if you will -- are a bit abritrary and left up to intepretation. I'd say if you ask 1000 Poly Science professors you'd find conflicting views on the matter as well.

So yeah, I think we agree with this. Nothing wrong here.

I don't know what you mean, but if you have a specific problem with something on there it shouldn't be a dealbreaker.  Its all approximate.   You could look at other ones that have been filled out with people.  These individuals are all in the correct vacinity but different people might have subtle disagreements about the exact positioning of where they are.  No one should confuse Stalin's position with Chomsky's though.

How would you describe somebody who is full-tilt authoritarian when their party is in power and full-tilt libertarian when they are not? Asking for a friend.

A regular person, lol.

[Spendulus]

I don't know what you mean, but if you have a specific problem with something on there it shouldn't be a dealbreaker.  Its all approximate.   You could look at other ones that have been filled out with people.  These individuals are all in the correct vacinity but different people might have subtle disagreements about the exact positioning of where they are.  No one should confuse Stalin's position with Chomsky's though.

How would you describe somebody who is full-tilt authoritarian when their party is in power and full-tilt libertarian when they are not? Asking for a friend.

What's wrong with this chart is it's static. In the USA, the last decade has shown a tremendous tilt of the US Democratic Party. Similarly, Stalin changed a great deal during his reign of power.

These movements are much more interesting than some pin stuck on a dead bug on the wall.

[af_newbie]

Theres nothing violent about CHAZ/CHOP.  The barricades are to prevent terrorists from driving through the crowd  and make it difficult for anyone to assault the crowd which is something that has been happening around the country. 

The mixup of individuals, philosophies and nations in the same chart?

If not just "garbage" it's downright weird. Stein? On the same chart as Mao, Reagan, Jefferson? You are kidding, right? Sanders? Middle of the road, eh? He's one of the more authoritarian creeps of the last several decades.

But regardless, a chart of this type with FAILED US SOCIALIST CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT?

The point is to put them all on the same chart so people can get a visual idea about where different ideologies fall on the spectrum.  Anyone can take the quiz but you can also take the quiz based on someone's platform, the policies of a nation, or your understanding of how a past leader would have answered questions based on their policies and quotes.   

This particular chart may not place everyone accurate but everyone has a true position and this gets those positions in the correct vicinity at least.  Of course the placing is only as precise as the quiz allows which is somewhat limited and far from comprehensive. 

If you have a problem with where Stein, or anyone else is placed, then talk about that and put an argument forward about where you think they should be placed. 

People who occupy this area are terrorists.

They should be arrested and charged with sedition.

[PopoJeff]

Why is everyone worried about a chart and identity politics.

No one cares.  

Doesn't matter where you fall on that chart. If you and you group of whatever's forcefully take over part of a city, you're nothing more than a criminal, with no regard for others.

Area businesses will suffer.  A nearby Trader Joe's has already closed. Taxpayers will foot the bill for fixing what they've ruined.  Insurance companies will refuse to insure businesses who want to re build in the area.

Good job Seattle, you've negotiated with terrorists.

[Gyfts]

Why is everyone worried about a chart and identity politics.

No one cares.  

Doesn't matter where you fall on that chart. If you and you group of whatever's forcefully take over part of a city, you're nothing more than a criminal, with no regard for others.

Area businesses will suffer.  A nearby Trader Joe's has already closed. Taxpayers will foot the bill for fixing what they've ruined.  Insurance companies will refuse to insure businesses who want to re build in the area.

Good job Seattle, you've negotiated with terrorists.

It's strictly on the Mayor for allowing this shit to slide. Portland, which is notorious for standing by while Antifa causes riots and destruction took a proactive approach and had their police destroy the barriers in their "autonomous zone".

[TECSHARE]

This is "domestic terrorism":

https://crosscut.com/2019/12/wa-rep-matt-shea-engaged-domestic-terrorism-helped-plan-malheur-standoff-investigation

This is "protest":

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/11/us/seattle-police-autonomous-zone/index.html


Interestingly enough BLM is involved in both.

[Spendulus]

Why is everyone worried about a chart and identity politics.

No one cares.  

Doesn't matter where you fall on that chart. If you and you group of whatever's forcefully take over part of a city, you're nothing more than a criminal, with no regard for others.

Area businesses will suffer.  A nearby Trader Joe's has already closed. Taxpayers will foot the bill for fixing what they've ruined.  Insurance companies will refuse to insure businesses who want to re build in the area.

Good job Seattle, you've negotiated with terrorists.

Detroit never recovered from the 1968 riots.

Compton, in Los Angeles, never recovered from its riots.

Here we go again.

[hornetsnest]

It reminds me of that Die hard movie where the thieves took over the building masquerading as "freedom fighters" and had a list of "convincing" demands that collaborated with their "movement"'s identity but all the while their real motive was robbing the joint.These lot below are beginning to make a complete mockery of the legitimate grievances of all genuine people who actually have suffered police brutality.In fact what they are doing is literally turning people who initially would have had sympathy with this protest against it and creating deeper divisions and resentment as planned.The genuine people who can see through all this bullshit need to stand up and start taking names and numbers here or this is going to turn very negative.Instigators with ulterior motives have been exploiting every "crisis" like parasitic catalysts for too long and they are becoming genuinely dangerous to the whole community now.They will not be happy until there is a social cataclysm.  

A Black Lives Matter leader from Louisville, Kentucky, is demanding white people pay for their inherent sin of being white by adhering to a 10-point list of demands, which includes small gestures like giving up your home and leaving your property to a minority family when you die.

Seems reasonable.

Chanelle Helm, the co-founder of Black Lives Matter-Louisville, penned the list of radical demands in Leo Weekly following the rally-turned-fatal riot in Charlottesville, Virginia, last weekend.

In the first six demands, Helm focuses on white people giving up their property and money to poor minorities, since white people are “bound to make that money in some other white privileged way”:

    1. White people, if you don’t have any descendants, will your property to a black or brown family. Preferably one that lives in generational poverty.

    2. White people, if you’re inheriting property you intend to sell upon acceptance, give it to a black or brown family. You’re bound to make that money in some other white privileged way.

    3. If you are a developer or realty owner of multi-family housing, build a sustainable complex in a black or brown blighted neighborhood and let black and brown people live in it for free.

    4. White people, if you can afford to downsize, give up the home you own to a black or brown family. Preferably a family from generational poverty.

    5. White people, if any of the people you intend to leave your property to are racists assholes, change the will, and will your property to a black or brown family. Preferably a family from generational poverty.

    6. White people, re-budget your monthly so you can donate to black funds for land purchasing.

Then the racism dial somehow finds a way to get turned up even higher. Helm, while making several stereotypical and offensive claims, urges white people to “get a racist fired.”

“White people, especially white women (because this is yaw specialty — Nosey Jenny and Meddling Kathy), get a racist fired. Yaw know what the f*** they be saying. You are complicit when you ignore them. Get your boss fired cause they racist too,” reads demand number seven.

And it continues, this time with mention of “lil’ d***-white men.”

    8. Backing up No. 7, this should be easy but all those sheetless Klan, Nazi’s and Other lil’ d***-white men will all be returning to work. Get they ass fired. Call the police even: they look suspicious.

Demand number nine encourages the use of violence when getting supposed “racists” fired (emphasis added):

    9. OK, backing up No. 8, if any white person at your work, or as you enter in spaces and you overhear a white person praising the actions from yesterday, first, get a pic. Get their name and more info. Hell, find out where they work — Get Them Fired. But certainly address them, and, if you need to, you got hands: use them.

And, finally, demand ten implores white people to fight “white supremacy.”

    10. Commit to two things: Fighting white supremacy where and how you can (this doesn’t mean taking up knitting, unless you’re making scarves for black and brown kids in need), and funding black and brown people and their work.

This is a brilliant plan by Helms; everyone knows the best way to fight phantom racism is to engage in open racism yourself.

[coins4commies]

Why is everyone worried about a chart and identity politics.

No one cares.  

Doesn't matter where you fall on that chart. If you and you group of whatever's forcefully take over part of a city, you're nothing more than a criminal, with no regard for others.

Area businesses will suffer.  A nearby Trader Joe's has already closed. Taxpayers will foot the bill for fixing what they've ruined.  Insurance companies will refuse to insure businesses who want to re build in the area.

Good job Seattle, you've negotiated with terrorists.

What if you forcefully takeover a whole continent?

[PopoJeff]

So today, CHAZ has a shooting within.  1 dead, 2 injured.

Guess what happened next.......... THEY CALLED THE COPS !!


This reminds me of when the child wants to be a big boy and the parents set up a tent in the back yard because the child "can do it on their own.".   And then the kid gets hungry and comes back in.

[coins4commies]

Its not the politicians' city though.   They realize they work for the people who are out there and they have simply "occupied" a piece of their own city.

[PopoJeff]

Its not the politicians' city though.   They realize they work for the people who are out there and they have simply "occupied" a piece of their own city.

So they've segregated themselves from civilized society. On property that should be open to use by all races, sexes and political ideologies.  

It is the politicians job to ensure public safety and fairness for all under their purview. And here they've failed to discharge their elected duties.

A Democrat mayor and Democrat Governor have FAILED to show equal treatment to all of it's citizens.

Just imagine if a bunch of right-wingers did the same thing. They'd Waco that zone in minutes

The politicians responsible for Seattle have failed the citizens and businesses in that area.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/residents-living-whats-become-the-seattle-autonomous-zone-scared-because-cops-wont-come-op-ed/

[coins4commies]

They only kicked out the police and closed the streets to traffic.  The police precint is the only thing not allowed to operate, but they already owned that.  Anyone else can come and go as they please.   A lot of what you hear on foxnews is overblown or downright misleading. Can you not see what kind of bias a site called "law enforcement today" might have about this situation?

At this point, a government intervention would be the most specific way to endanger public safety.  The government has done a lot to help though.  They actually installed porta potties are helping to keep the whole operation running in the background.  

[TECSHARE]

They only kicked out the police and closed the streets to traffic.  The police precint is the only thing not allowed to operate, but they already owned that.  Anyone else can come and go as they please.   A lot of what you hear on foxnews is overblown or downright misleading. Can you not see what kind of bias a site called "law enforcement today" might have about this situation?

At this point, a government intervention would be the most specific way to endanger public safety.  The government has done a lot to help though.  They actually installed porta potties are helping to keep the whole operation running in the background.  

Bullshit. They set up armed checkpoints where people are being stopped, searched for weapons, and IDed before entering. Also it is most certainly not peaceful, there has been plenty of violence. Some one was shot yesterday, and since they won't allow emergency services in of any kind, they had to be dragged out of the zone before they could receive emergency medical care. Yes, the government has done a lot to help them, showing explicitly this whole thing s a complete farce. Communism REQUIRES capitalism to exist. The only way it can pretend to have value is by hijacking the resources capitalism provides to present an illusion of efficacy.

[Spendulus]

....they have simply "occupied" a piece of their own city.

You mean they stole it from the people who live and have businesses on that block.

Interfering with peoples' ability to go to the corner store on that block is illegal, isn't it?

That would be assault.

[PopoJeff]

....they have simply "occupied" a piece of their own city.

You mean they stole it from the people who live and have businesses on that block.

Interfering with peoples' ability to go to the corner store on that block is illegal, isn't it?

That would be assault.

Ever noticed how kids put the word "simply" before everything when they try to justify criminal activity?

They were "simply" sitting on the interstate.
They were "simply" expressing their feeling by stealing shoes.
They were "simply" protesting racism by beating black cops with bricks.

I am "simply" saying CHAZ is a joke to stay on topic and avoid biased moderation.

[coins4commies]

None of those things are as bad as the crimes being committed by the state.  You're also going to be appalled when you find out about how the US was established and expanded.  Stealing shoes, burning down a building, or throwing a rock are hardly proportionate to murder.  

[Gyfts]

Bodycam video was released of the incident recently where a 19 year old was shot and killed, while another one remains critically injured.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cefDp_rsfgo

Seattle PD had a tough time getting to the victim and literally were mobbed upon trying to tend to the victim. I guess the angry mobs were part of the peaceful protests that the Mayor was talking about.

[Spendulus]

None of those things are as bad as....

Whoo Hoo! Violence is fine, you say.

[PopoJeff]

CHAZ now officially has, per capita, the highest murder rate, gun crime rate, and violent crime rate of anywhere in the US.

Congrats kids.

[Spendulus]

...My thoughts on CHAZ is clearly that its a politically motivated temper tantrum by naive children

But they are on the side with the media Overlords! With Soros! With Antifa to help when you need muscle!

[KingScorpio]

...My thoughts on CHAZ is clearly that its a politically motivated temper tantrum by naive children

But they are on the side with the media Overlords! With Soros! With Antifa to help when you need muscle!

the left wing media in the usa is crazy and disgusting i doubt soros is so almighty as many right wingers claim.

[TECSHARE]

"Second Shooting in Seattle’s ‘CHOP’ Zone Leaves One in Critical Condition"

https://www.theepochtimes.com/second-shooting-in-seattles-chop-zone-leaves-one-in-critical-condition_3397168.html

[PopoJeff]

A post of mine keeps getting removed by a moderator.... although on topic regarding my thoughts on CHAZ, and a direct historically accurate response to a question..... so not sure how I can reply to any other direct questions on this thread.

I'll just keep trying...

If you had a question for me, please ask again and I'll try a newly re-worded response that may not be as offensive to sensitive liberals views.


This is cute....

https://www.dailywire.com/news/seattle-autonomous-zone-creates-black-only-segregated-area?al_applink_data=%7B%22target_url%22%3A%22http%3A%5C%2F%5C%2Fdlvr.it%5C%2FRZ83Bl%22%2C%22extras%22%3A%5B%5D%2C%22referer_app_link%22%3A%7B%22url%22%3A%22fb%3A%5C%2F%5C%2F%5C%2F%22%2C%22app_name%22%3A%22Facebook%22%7D%7D


Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

[Spendulus]

A post of mine keeps getting removed by a moderator.... although on topic regarding my thoughts on CHAZ, and a direct historically accurate response to a question..... so not sure how I can reply to any other direct questions on this thread.

I'll just keep trying...

If you had a question for me, please ask again and I'll try a newly re-worded response that may not be as offensive to sensitive liberals views.

The valiant social warriors courageously taking over parts of the decrepit, degenerate capitalist society and naming it the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone are Heros of the Peoples' Revolution!

BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

All kinds of crimes and destruction of public property can be done and after intimidating the local politicians, there will be no consequences! No jail! The local political leaders are with you! The laws don't apply to you! And don't worry we're going to sock it to Roger Stone, Flynn and those other bastards!

[PopoJeff]

The Tide Pod generation creates their own nation with their own laws.  
Two shootings. Segregation. Warlords. Hunger. Poverty.

They should charge for pay-per-view surveillance cameras, or make a reality show out of it.


Edit to add, 6/23: 
And now there's a 3rd shooting:
https://thepostmillennial.com/third-shooting-incident-has-happened-in-seattles-occupied-zone

[hornetsnest]

Introducing the newly-appointed government officials of #CHAZ/#CHOP






Guys check out this fucking linguistic masterpiece


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
New #CHAZ/#CHOP list of updated terms:

Theft = unplanned donation

Bullet wound = unexpected body modification

Rape = unanticipated sexual sharing

Police officer = bastard

911: Hello, what’s your emergency?

CHAZ: Help, someone’s been shot!

911: Okay, we’ll have a social worker come out there tomorrow between 12 pm and 4 pm

#CHAZ #CHOP #ACAB #DefundThePolice  


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 poetic justice for a snowflake


....................................................

Signs you might be an undercover cop:

1) You’ve showered in the past five days

2) You don’t make your own Kombucha

2) You drink Starbucks instead of grinding your own fair trade coffee

3) You don’t self-flagellate before bed to atone for existing in a capitalist society

[squatz1]

snip

Ugh. Snipping a lot of this, but going to comment on something that stuck out to me:

Did someone on reddit really NON JOKINGLY just say that some disadvantaged person may have needed YOUR PERSONAL ITEMS MORE? Does that make stealing okay?

Isn't that literally how all other stealing goes. Someone else needs the items more then me, or at least that's how they perceive it, and then they take it and sell it (or use it)

Sigh.

[hornetsnest]

snip

Ugh. Snipping a lot of this, but going to comment on something that stuck out to me:

Did someone on reddit really NON JOKINGLY just say that some disadvantaged person may have needed YOUR PERSONAL ITEMS MORE? Does that make stealing okay?

Isn't that literally how all other stealing goes. Someone else needs the items more then me, or at least that's how they perceive it, and then they take it and sell it (or use it)

Sigh.

The thread must have been taken down since but you will see a mention of it on these feeds.

https://www.rt.com/usa/491883-seattle-autonomous-zone-anarchy/

Enforcing private property rights in an anarchist utopia has proven difficult. One of the CHAZ occupiers took to Reddit over the weekend to complain that their tent had been looted and their laptop stolen, along with $400 in cash. The CHAZ community quickly stepped in to reassure the victim that “a disadvantaged resident was in greater need of the items than you,” and to think of the theft as an “unplanned donation.”

BREAKING: Raz is now chasing down an accused thief in CapHill
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1272434117183860736

Well at least it looks like they have some of their revenue plan worked out https://twitter.com/FromKalen/status/1271709379688087555

[PopoJeff]

I read an article saying a large portion of CHAZ 'residents' were fleeing the zone because of the high amount of crime and violence inside the No-Cop zone.

These kids cannot even see their own irony.

('Kids'- can also include Liberals in this context)



I had someone ask me the other day "How do you know which side are the good guys?" I told her it's usually the side that doesn't support burning buildings, erasing history, attacking the police, race baiting, taking away your rights and silencing free speech.

[Gyfts]

...

Yep, they're finally leaving. The Mayor of Seattle urged protesters to leave after things got violent with back to back shootings, one resulting in a fatality. It strikes me as odd that she referred to CHOP as a peaceful block party but now that things predictably went south, she's calling for protesters to dissipate.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/us/seattle-autonomous-zone-protesters-leaving/index.html

Most protesters are leaving on their own, and I'm sure the organizers of CHOP will consider their LARPing fantasy a success.

[squatz1]

I read an article saying a large portion of CHAZ 'residents' were fleeing the zone because of the high amount of crime and violence inside the No-Cop zone.

These kids cannot even see their own irony.

('Kids'- can also include Liberals in this context)



I had someone ask me the other day "How do you know which side are the good guys?" I told her it's usually the side that doesn't support burning buildings, erasing history, attacking the police, race baiting, taking away your rights and silencing free speech.

I've seen maybe a handful of articles like this, but the majority of them aren't saying such. All the media wants to report on is the fact that they're holding a few peaceful speeches and all about how they're developing a new community without law enforcement involved.

The media really should be showing the issues that are present in this 'new society' instead of just trying to skew the argument by JUST showing the 'amazing' of this society.

I can't believe people accepted that 6 blocks of a MAJOR US CITY was taken over by people and no one did a thing. Seattle flees. Interesting. I'd think that Trump would have the support of popular opinion of stopping this if it happened in DC.

[PopoJeff]

I've seen maybe a handful of articles like this, but the majority of them aren't saying such. All the media wants to report on is the fact that they're holding a few peaceful speeches and all about how they're developing a new community without law enforcement involved.

The media really should be showing the issues that are present in this 'new society' instead of just trying to skew the argument by JUST showing the 'amazing' of this society.

I can't believe people accepted that 6 blocks of a MAJOR US CITY was taken over by people and no one did a thing. Seattle flees. Interesting. I'd think that Trump would have the support of popular opinion of stopping this if it happened in DC.

Well..... its an election year.   And like we saw last election, the left has to get violent to "have their voices heard."
It wasn't enough last time, so they saw the error in their ways and have to scream louder.
They think they're making a point or expressing their views...... but the majority of Americans see the obvious. That they're discrediting their views by their actual actions. This will only encourage more voting AGAINST them.

The majority of Americans voted for no one last time. They chose not giving a crap over either candidate, because it didnt have that much effect on their personal life.  I think that'll will change a bit more this time, now that the innocent and indifferent have had their cities burned, cars pelted, and safety challenged.

Just look at RGR stock (Ruger gun company)... stock prices went from $38 to $73 in a matter of two months. Because everyone is buying guns, gun sales are soaring. Not because leftists are arming themselves against the government. But because everyone is arming themselves fearing a leftist mob will attack them.

[suchmoon]

The majority of Americans voted for no one last time. They chose no giving a crap over either candidate, because it didnt have that much effect on their personal life.

Last time? 2016 turnout was 55%, typical for a presidential election. So most people did vote for someone.

[PopoJeff]

The majority of Americans voted for no one last time. They chose no giving a crap over either candidate, because it didnt have that much effect on their personal life.

Last time? 2016 turnout was 55%, typical for a presidential election. So most people did vote for someone.

Right.  Try that math again.


Of registered voters:
Maybe 20-22% voted for Trump
Maybe 20-22% voted for Killary
Maybe 2% voted for 3rd party independent
45% voted for no one

"Neither"  was the largest segment of registered voters.


(Not diggin up exact numbers for this, its quite obvious)

[squatz1]

The majority of Americans voted for no one last time. They chose no giving a crap over either candidate, because it didnt have that much effect on their personal life.

Last time? 2016 turnout was 55%, typical for a presidential election. So most people did vote for someone.

Can we talk for a moment about how low this really is. Like we had the two most hated candidates going up against one another. Each party beleives that they have the most to lose if the other candidate is elected and only a little bit more then half of people show up to vote.

Probably not going to change during this election cycle TBH. We'll have the same numbers, and the people that aren't voting are going to be the same people complaining that the system is flawed.

God if I another few percent of people voted, they could change the fate of elections. 2016 election was probably decided by like 150k total votes (spread across a few battleground / swing states - PA, WISC, FLORIDA, etc)

[hornetsnest]

Hmmm...I heard the authorities there were looking at chatter among some "Oath keepers,Vets,Ex police,Bikers and "concerned citizens" forming a posse and heading down to CHAZ for a day out as is their constitutional right.Its illegal to send the uniforms in without permission but its not illegal for some tough doods to have a day out on "public property".

I imagine there was a panic in order to save all the soy boys,cucks,rabid feminists,militant lesbians and the other bullies from finding out what happens when people fight back.Trump never fails to entertain us while he drains the swamp 

A real-life modern-day “Mad Max” scenario is about to play out in Seattle. A group of patriot bikers and oath keepers are planning a ride to the anarchist-dominated “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone” (CHAZ) to retake that part of the city and hand back the Seattle Police East Precinct to city cops.

Although no implications of violence were stated, the likelihood of Antifa goofs going peacefully remains to be seen, especially given the seemingly unstable, crazed craniums which decided to wrest away the six-block tract from the city. Then again, Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan and Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best didn’t appear to put up much of a fight, calling it “meeting peace with peace.” It has been anything but!  So much for elected and appointed officials standing up for taxpayers who in effect own the East Precinct and now have zero privilege to walk public streets taken hostage by unruly barbarians. However, that is soon to meet its end.

According to the Conservative Firing Line, “the group ‘American Patriots Retake the Seattle Occupation Zone for America’ plans a 4th of July event to remove the barricades, rescue the folks trapped, and clean up the mess left by Antifa/Black Lives Matter activists in the zone now being called CHAZ (Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone).”

[suchmoon]

"Neither"  was the largest segment of registered voters.

It's misleading to call it a "majority" in election context, which typically means >50%. What you're describing is usually called a "plurality" when talking about elections.

God if I another few percent of people voted, they could change the fate of elections. 2016 election was probably decided by like 150k total votes (spread across a few battleground / swing states - PA, WISC, FLORIDA, etc)

It was ~80k votes across PA, MI, and WI that made the difference. I don't know if "few percent" would be enough to change it. 5% of additional voters would need to vote ~60:40 against the otherwise-winning candidate to overcome even a tiny 1% winning margin. Sounds unlikely unless all those additional votes come from a largely atypical voter demographic, like millennials, and you know how I feel about those lazy bastards. They wouldn't show up to vote even if you handed out participation-trophy-shaped avocado toast at the polls.

[nutildah]

"Neither"  was the largest segment of registered voters.

It's misleading to call it a "majority" in election context, which typically means >50%. What you're describing is usually called a "plurality" when talking about elections.

It's also a bit weird to say "the majority of Americans voted for no one." That makes it sound like they walked into the voting booth and wrote in "No One."

The majority of voters actually voted for Hillary.

I have to take that back; the 3rd parties + Trump beat out Hillary.

[Spendulus]

Hmmm...I heard the authorities there were looking at chatter among some "Oath keepers,Vets,Ex police,Bikers and "concerned citizens" forming a posse and heading down to CHAZ for a day out as is their constitutional right.Its illegal to send the uniforms in without permission but its not illegal for some tough doods to have a day out on "public property".

I imagine there was a panic in order to save all the soy boys,cucks,rabid feminists,militant lesbians and the other bullies from finding out what happens when people fight back.Trump never fails to entertain us while he drains the swamp  ...

Okay, I somehow find this interesting!

[PopoJeff]

"Neither"  was the largest segment of registered voters.

It's misleading to call it a "majority" in election context, which typically means >50%. What you're describing is usually called a "plurality" when talking about elections.

It's also a bit weird to say "the majority of Americans voted for no one." That makes it sound like they walked into the voting booth and wrote in "No One."

The majority of voters actually voted for Hillary.

I have to take that back; the 3rd parties + Trump beat out Hillary.

Both of you are playing cute word games....

I originally wrote "The majority of Americans voted for no one last time." which is factually and contextually correct. Apparently that wasn't blatantly obvious enough for you two.

Your coming up with wordy BS to cover your own ignorance is nothing short of amazing. 

[suchmoon]

I originally wrote "The majority of Americans voted for no one last time." which is factually and contextually correct.

It's not, unless you count kids.

Population: ~320 million
Voting age population: ~250 million
Voting age population who didn't vote: ~110 million
(it's even less if you adjust for inmates and non-citizens)

Calling that a majority is highly irregular - that's why it caught my eye.

Your coming up with wordy BS to cover your own ignorance is nothing short of amazing. 

I appreciate that you care so much about us simpletons and blessed us with this diagnosis.

[PopoJeff]

I originally wrote "The majority of Americans voted for no one last time." which is factually and contextually correct.

It's not, unless you count kids.

Population: ~320 million
Voting age population: ~250 million
Voting age population who didn't vote: ~110 million
(it's even less if you adjust for inmates and non-citizens)

Calling that a majority is highly irregular - that's why it caught my eye.

Your coming up with wordy BS to cover your own ignorance is nothing short of amazing.  

I appreciate that you care so much about us simpletons and blessed us with this diagnosis.

It's really cute how you try to pick flyshit out of pepper.  I even explained the easy-to-understand sentence in the following post. Apparently still not clear enough, let me direct your attention to a pie chart in the sky:

Look up, draw an imaginary circle. Thats voters.   Now draw a line down the center, bisecting the circle into two halves.  
Next...in one... only one of those halves, bisect it again. But not the other original half.
You should be left with a pie chart depicting 1/2, 1/4 & 1/4.    Or in pie chart terms 50%, 25%, 25%.

Now assign some labels to those sections.  The big part being the half or 50%, write CHOSE TO NOT VOTE.   Then in the remaining smaller sections, being the 1/4's or 25%'s, write Trump in one, and Killary in the other.

Now, step back an marvel at the creation.   Which is bigger?    

American voters, in their choice of the 3, (no one, Killary, trump), the majority chose no one.

If that's still causing trouble for you, PM me your address, and I'll mail you a crayon drawing.

[suchmoon]

crayon drawing

I got mad crayon skills. Feel free to stick it to your fridge:


Edited 2020-11-30 to fix a broken image

[PopoJeff]

crayon drawing

I got mad crayon skills. Feel free to stick it to your fridge:

Thanks... I actually chuckled a bit....  now can you cut that green section in half?. Make one part blue, the other red.  

Or, here's a really specific one in this article...   https://www.dailykos.com/story/2020/3/2/1923544/-The-Biden-vs-Bernie-Electability-Hypothesis

[suchmoon]

Or, here's a really specific one in this article...   https://www.dailykos.com/story/2020/3/2/1923544/-The-Biden-vs-Bernie-Electability-Hypothesis

And they call it what it is - a plurality:

Note that a plurality of 91 million eligible voters did not vote.

[PopoJeff]

Or, here's a really specific one in this article...   https://www.dailykos.com/story/2020/3/2/1923544/-The-Biden-vs-Bernie-Electability-Hypothesis

And they call it what it is - a plurality:

Note that a plurality of 91 million eligible voters did not vote.

Guess I'm just a simpleton who uses common dictionary terms.
Definition of majority : the greater quantity or share

[nutildah]

Or, here's a really specific one in this article...   https://www.dailykos.com/story/2020/3/2/1923544/-The-Biden-vs-Bernie-Electability-Hypothesis

And they call it what it is - a plurality:

Note that a plurality of 91 million eligible voters did not vote.

Guess I'm just a simpleton who uses common dictionary terms.
Definition of majority : the greater quantity or share

Interestingly enough, plurality is also in the dictionary:

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/plurality?s=t

the excess of votes received by the leading candidate, in an election in which there are three or more candidates, over those received by the next candidate (distinguished from majority).

[hornetsnest]

Senior HR Business Partner, Leslie Brown, has been FIRED today after @Project_Veritas
 released a video with her saying, "No one has the White Man's back anymore."

FACEBOOK: Comments [made] ‘Not Consistent with our Policies,’ ‘Reviewing Training and Oversight’

Black Lives Matter leader states, “If U.S. doesn’t give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it”. This is Treason, Sedition, Insurrection!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1276205906338824192

Allowing these same people behind these riots brazenly stomp all over the country wrecking peoples businesses and livelihoods while law abiding citizens are locked up by their government under mass house arrest during a "pandemic" is an insult to war veterans and families of those who lost their lives fighting against these savages aided and abetted by marxists masquerading as academics and experts.

Serious question here:When #pansexualmidgetlivesmatter ?

[squatz1]

"Neither"  was the largest segment of registered voters.

It's misleading to call it a "majority" in election context, which typically means >50%. What you're describing is usually called a "plurality" when talking about elections.

God if I another few percent of people voted, they could change the fate of elections. 2016 election was probably decided by like 150k total votes (spread across a few battleground / swing states - PA, WISC, FLORIDA, etc)

It was ~80k votes across PA, MI, and WI that made the difference. I don't know if "few percent" would be enough to change it. 5% of additional voters would need to vote ~60:40 against the otherwise-winning candidate to overcome even a tiny 1% winning margin. Sounds unlikely unless all those additional votes come from a largely atypical voter demographic, like millennials, and you know how I feel about those lazy bastards. They wouldn't show up to vote even if you handed out participation-trophy-shaped avocado toast at the polls.

Totally unlikely. But the few percent comment of mine is typically pointed at millennials and the generation below them which can vote now as well (youngest millenail is like 25 now, right?) Millenials and below them would be people who would typically be voting for democrats.

Another 10k people come out in Michigan (all voting Democrat) and that state is flipped. It's crazy that people will bitch and moan about how horrible some of the people in government are, but won't go and vote.

So many people believe the 'my vote doesn't really matter anyway' and it just kills voter turnout.

[Spendulus]

.....

Another 10k people come out in Michigan (all voting Democrat) and that state is flipped. It's crazy that people will bitch and moan about how horrible some of the people in government are, but won't go and vote.

So many people believe the 'my vote doesn't really matter anyway' and it just kills voter turnout.

Just a matter of 10k mail in ballots?

[hornetsnest]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
When are the thugs, looters, and anarchists moving out of the so-called “Autonomous Zone” in Seattle? Get going!
>>>>>>
Eugene Gu, MD
@eugenegu
·
Jun 25
Replying to
@realDonaldTrump
When are the thugs, looters, and racists moving out of the so-called “White House” in Washington, DC? Get going!

I'm an Asian-American doctor and today I #TakeTheKnee to fight white supremacy.
https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/911935874711085057

Hey Doc......can we talk about this?




Send this patriot reinforcements!! 
https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1276110776256925696

[Spendulus]

...

I'm an Asian-American doctor and today I #TakeTheKnee to fight white supremacy.
https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/911935874711085057

Hey Doc......can we talk about this?




Send this patriot reinforcements!! 
https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1276110776256925696

(libtard response follows...)

No,and shut up.

[hornetsnest]

Black Lives Matter protests win medical approval, but not Trump rallies. Is Covid-19 a marxist disease?

A group of over 1,000 “health experts” signed a letter supporting the ongoing Black Lives Matter protests and riots but are against any conservative, working American or Christian protest gathering.

These same dishonest hacks who advocated collapsing the global economy and demonized anyone who dared question the implementation of the lockdown and the ensuing destruction of civil liberties for the "general population" now try to explain how the dangerous Black Lives Matter protests and riots are good for society and acceptable during a pandemic.Just as America was boiling over in racial tensions, some 1,200 public health professionals and “community stakeholders” signed a letter that supported “demonstrations” that call attention to the “lethal force of white supremacy” in the US.





To the same "medical hypocrites experts and useful idiots" ...............

This is Michael Hickson, a 46-year-old coronavirus patient

Because he is a quadriplegic, doctors said his "quality of life" would be too low to be treated

So over the course of 6 days, they starved him to death

Michael was a Black man.Did his life not matter?




Black people STOP being deceived by these marxist parasites.They DON'T give a shit about you.They are emotionally manipulating you to adopt and endorse their warped ideology and will treat US ALL the same way as Michael was treated when we lose our "economic value" in their global factory.The free market and liberty is the best guarantor of freedom.Marxists are squandering your tax dollars.This is why there is inequality and why our economies are bankrupted and we are ALL sold into bondage to the elite.Utopia for them/Dystopia for us.Socialism for them/Communism for us.Marxists DON'T care about you.Marxists only care about marxism and climbing up it's ladder  ;-)

You couldn't make this shit up for an orwellian movie script and these are the "useful idiots" advising our governments.

[PopoJeff]

What are they up to now?   5 shootings in CHAZ? 

They're doing a great job in their little area.   6 square blocks of their own little Utopia of crime.

And an absolute perfect display of why it doesn't work. 
Of course, supported by Democrat leaders.

[Gyfts]

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/shooting-at-seattles-chop-protest-site-leaves-2-in-critical-condition/

One man killed and a 14 year old critically injured after vigilante security guards shoot up an SUV after the SUV was allegedly involved in a drive by shooting. I'm not sure if it's even been confirmed whether or not the SUV was the actual one involved.

It started off as some children role playing but it's gotten out of hand at this point. The mayor needs to step up and end this shit but she's too busy pandering to the hard left. There are now real consequential implications by letting so much chaos roam through six blocks of Seattle which has now ironically proved why you need trained police. How many more people are going to die before it ends?

[PopoJeff]

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/shooting-at-seattles-chop-protest-site-leaves-2-in-critical-condition/

One man killed and a 14 year old critically injured after vigilante security guards shoot up an SUV after the SUV was allegedly involved in a drive by shooting. I'm not sure if it's even been confirmed whether or not the SUV was the actual one involved.

It started off as some children role playing but it's gotten out of hand at this point. The mayor needs to step up and end this shit but she's too busy pandering to the hard left. There are now real consequential implications by letting so much chaos roam through six blocks of Seattle which has now ironically proved why you need trained police. How many more people are going to die before it ends?

This is exactly why I said Democrat leaders are FAILING at doing their jobs.

Mayors, Governors, etc... have a responsibility to protect ALL of their citizens, not just those who vote for them.
These liberal run cities are a prime example of the Democrat leaders not giving a crap about anyone else's safety, other than those who they expect a vote from.

Imagine owning a business, having a job, or living in the area that is unlawfully overrun and claimed by "protesters." You immediately become a helpless victim of the mob, with zero protection from your elected government. (But are still expected to pay your taxes)

[Gyfts]

Imagine owning a business, having a job, or living in the area that is unlawfully claimed by "protesters." You immediately become a helpless victim of the mob, with zero protection from your elected government. (But are still expected to pay your taxes)

On the note of businesses - https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/capitol-hill-residents-and-businesses-sue-city-of-seattle-for-failing-to-disband-chop/

They're basically suing the city because the mayor forcibly removed Seattle police out of the area and gave it to the protesters and at own will. If you're a small business owner, it's over for you. You have no foot traffic for customers, and even after the barriers for CHOP go down, who's going to want to visit the area?

[hornetsnest]

Larry Peyton, 21, of Trenton, NJ, stood alone against an angry deranged mob of mostly white Revcom members https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Communist_Party,_USA as they attempt to burn an American flag outside of the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia.Larry is the type of man who is the kind needed in police force and government to help fight the scourge of Anarcho marxism .

Larry Peyton,A true Patriot courageously stands in defiance against the sneering communist hoardes and domestic terrorist network.It is because of people like Larry that they cannot divide us.Well informed and rational black and white citizens KNOW what is at play here.If the incorporated communists win we ALL lose! Freedom dies and there is NO going back when tyranny is embedded like a tumor that cannot be removed without killing the host!!


#LarryPeytonUSpatriot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx4Ht1BoQ0I






............................................................................... ........







Meanwhile when Karen is not instigating civil war and supporting domestic terrorism she busy enforcing infanticide.......

Planned Parenthood Activists Burn American Flag to Protest New Law Saving Babies From Abortion.




Call It an Alternate Route: Parading Costumed Abortion Activists Burn the American Flag to Stop a Bill that protects the innocent.




.....while poor repressed Kevin needs some downtime













.............................................................................

On July 15, 2017, Justine Damond (née Ruszczyk)[2][3] a 40-year-old Australian-American woman, was fatally shot by a 33-year-old Mohamed Noor, a Somali-American Minneapolis Police Department officer, after she had called 9-1-1 to report the possible assault of a woman in an alley behind her house.Justine was unarmed and wearing her pyjamas at the time she was murdered and posed no threat yet no riots or marches took place for her. #whiteprivilege
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond

[squatz1]

Black Lives Matter protests win medical approval, but not Trump rallies. Is Covid-19 a marxist disease?

A group of over 1,000 “health experts” signed a letter supporting the ongoing Black Lives Matter protests and riots but are against any conservative, working American or Christian protest gathering.

These same dishonest hacks who advocated collapsing the global economy and demonized anyone who dared question the implementation of the lockdown and the ensuing destruction of civil liberties for the "general population" now try to explain how the dangerous Black Lives Matter protests and riots are good for society and acceptable during a pandemic.Just as America was boiling over in racial tensions, some 1,200 public health professionals and “community stakeholders” signed a letter that supported “demonstrations” that call attention to the “lethal force of white supremacy” in the US.





To the same "medical hypocrites experts and useful idiots" ...............

This is Michael Hickson, a 46-year-old coronavirus patient

Because he is a quadriplegic, doctors said his "quality of life" would be too low to be treated

So over the course of 6 days, they starved him to death

Michael was a Black man.Did his life not matter?




Black people STOP being deceived by these marxist parasites.They DON'T give a shit about you.They are emotionally manipulating you to adopt and endorse their warped ideology and will treat US ALL the same way as Michael was treated when we lose our "economic value" in their global factory.The free market and liberty is the best guarantor of freedom.Marxists are squandering your tax dollars.This is why there is inequality and why our economies are bankrupted and we are ALL sold into bondage to the elite.Utopia for them/Dystopia for us.Socialism for them/Communism for us.Marxists DON'T care about you.Marxists only care about marxism and climbing up it's ladder  ;-)

You couldn't make this shit up for an orwellian movie script and these are the "useful idiots" advising our governments.

I wouldn't go as far to say that this is a marxist disease or that all of this is a conspiracy or something along those lines.

Though I do think all of us do notice that there is a major problem with telling people to social distance, wear masks, not be in large groups, and then allow protesting to go on without mass arresting people who are obviously violating the guidelines set forth by the federal / state governments.

Doesn't really make local businesses that happy when they're already in a rough financial situation that they're not allowed to reopen because of coronavirus, but protesters can continue doing their thing.

[Gyfts]

Mayor Jenny Durkan issued an executive order, finally, to allow Seattle Police the authority to go in and retake CHOP. Looks like after 3 weeks it's finally over. I doubt she'll face political repercussions for allowing this to go unchecked.

https://komonews.com/news/local/seattle-police-clearing-chop-area-after-durkan-issues-executive-order

[squatz1]

Mayor Jenny Durkan issued an executive order, finally, to allow Seattle Police the authority to go in and retake CHOP. Looks like after 3 weeks it's finally over. I doubt she'll face political repercussions for allowing this to go unchecked.

https://komonews.com/news/local/seattle-police-clearing-chop-area-after-durkan-issues-executive-order

Not surpising to see and this was to be expected. I'm guessing that the people that were living in this area (not apart of CHAZ, literally just living there) and the business owners had enough and finally were able to force the Mayor to actually do something.

It doesn't help Chaz that they were openly calling for the removal of the Mayor though. She probably wasn't too happy with them for that. lol. I think she will face political repurcussions, this is totally something that voters are going to remember come November.

6 blocks of a major US city were 'taken over' by another group of people. Police had to retreat and leave the area so people could take over. That's not something that voters are typically too fond of.

[NotATether]

I wouldn't go as far to say that this is a marxist disease or that all of this is a conspiracy or something along those lines.

Though I do think all of us do notice that there is a major problem with telling people to social distance, wear masks, not be in large groups, and then allow protesting to go on without mass arresting people who are obviously violating the guidelines set forth by the federal / state governments.

Doesn't really make local businesses that happy when they're already in a rough financial situation that they're not allowed to reopen because of coronavirus, but protesters can continue doing their thing.

Nobody really knows how to contain this covid-19 mess in a way that's practical, so people with authority resort to thinking up guidelines themselves, you can see different states have wildly different social distancing rules and this is the result of mayors and governors and other people in charge having different opinions on what's best for the community.

One thing's for sure, people won't heed a prohibition of gathering in large groups, even if that was enforced by mass arresting, because it will simply make them more angry and resentful. More anger escalates violence.

Maybe local businesses are fined consistently for breaking quarantine rules, though it certainly looks like individual people aren't fined consistently. And if that's the case then it really sucks to be in their position but it does tell us that governors are handling businesses properly.

Back to lurking now 

[squatz1]

I wouldn't go as far to say that this is a marxist disease or that all of this is a conspiracy or something along those lines.

Though I do think all of us do notice that there is a major problem with telling people to social distance, wear masks, not be in large groups, and then allow protesting to go on without mass arresting people who are obviously violating the guidelines set forth by the federal / state governments.

Doesn't really make local businesses that happy when they're already in a rough financial situation that they're not allowed to reopen because of coronavirus, but protesters can continue doing their thing.

Nobody really knows how to contain this covid-19 mess in a way that's practical, so people with authority resort to thinking up guidelines themselves, you can see different states have wildly different social distancing rules and this is the result of mayors and governors and other people in charge having different opinions on what's best for the community.

One thing's for sure, people won't heed a prohibition of gathering in large groups, even if that was enforced by mass arresting, because it will simply make them more angry and resentful. More anger escalates violence.

Maybe local businesses are fined consistently for breaking quarantine rules, though it certainly looks like individual people aren't fined consistently. And if that's the case then it really sucks to be in their position but it does tell us that governors are handling businesses properly.

Back to lurking now 

Oh yeah, you're totally right on no one really having the 'right' answer on what to do here. I think something that everyone has to remember is that we're all going to have to adjust to a 'new normal' -- a balance between public health and economics. We can't just have 15% unemployment and millions of Americans collecting unemployment benefits forever. It's just not sustainable in an economy.

I do think the best thing that can be done to contain this is pretty simple: Wear a mask when in public, don't visit large groups of people, santizize, and wash regularly. There's really not much more that we can do as a society.

Government is left to fill in the rest of the issues there by getting more testing, developing better guidelines with both economic/public health in mind, and a vaccine at some point.

As I said before though, it's just rough to be business owner who's sitting around losing money everyday as you continue to pay rent on a restaurant that you're only able to get 25% of the revenues you had before from takein and all that, while protestors are roaming the streets in large groups defying the same order that you're following by keeping your business closed to the public.

Tough tough times.

[Spendulus]

I wouldn't go as far to say that this is a marxist disease or that all of this is a conspiracy or something along those lines.

Though I do think all of us do notice that there is a major problem with telling people to social distance, wear masks, not be in large groups, and then allow protesting to go on without mass arresting people who are obviously violating the guidelines set forth by the federal / state governments.

Doesn't really make local businesses that happy when they're already in a rough financial situation that they're not allowed to reopen because of coronavirus, but protesters can continue doing their thing.

Nobody really knows how to contain this covid-19 mess in a way that's practical, so people with authority resort to thinking up guidelines themselves, you can see different states have wildly different social distancing rules and this is the result of mayors and governors and other people in charge having different opinions on what's best for the community.

One thing's for sure, people won't heed a prohibition of gathering in large groups, even if that was enforced by mass arresting, because it will simply make them more angry and resentful. More anger escalates violence.

Maybe local businesses are fined consistently for breaking quarantine rules, though it certainly looks like individual people aren't fined consistently. And if that's the case then it really sucks to be in their position but it does tell us that governors are handling businesses properly.

Back to lurking now 

Oh yeah, you're totally right on no one really having the 'right' answer on what to do here. I think something that everyone has to remember is that we're all going to have to adjust to a 'new normal' -- a balance between public health and economics. We can't just have 15% unemployment and millions of Americans collecting unemployment benefits forever. It's just not sustainable in an economy.

I do think the best thing that can be done to contain this is pretty simple: Wear a mask when in public, don't visit large groups of people, santizize, and wash regularly. There's really not much more that we can do as a society.....

Sez WHO?

Remember "flatten the curve?" the purpose of that was to not overload the hospitals. We've done that. Now we're in the next phase, where everyone gets sick until we develop immunity or the virus weakens.

Why the fuck are you even talking about masks, groups of people, and sanitizing?

[squatz1]

I wouldn't go as far to say that this is a marxist disease or that all of this is a conspiracy or something along those lines.

Though I do think all of us do notice that there is a major problem with telling people to social distance, wear masks, not be in large groups, and then allow protesting to go on without mass arresting people who are obviously violating the guidelines set forth by the federal / state governments.

Doesn't really make local businesses that happy when they're already in a rough financial situation that they're not allowed to reopen because of coronavirus, but protesters can continue doing their thing.

Nobody really knows how to contain this covid-19 mess in a way that's practical, so people with authority resort to thinking up guidelines themselves, you can see different states have wildly different social distancing rules and this is the result of mayors and governors and other people in charge having different opinions on what's best for the community.

One thing's for sure, people won't heed a prohibition of gathering in large groups, even if that was enforced by mass arresting, because it will simply make them more angry and resentful. More anger escalates violence.

Maybe local businesses are fined consistently for breaking quarantine rules, though it certainly looks like individual people aren't fined consistently. And if that's the case then it really sucks to be in their position but it does tell us that governors are handling businesses properly.

Back to lurking now 

Oh yeah, you're totally right on no one really having the 'right' answer on what to do here. I think something that everyone has to remember is that we're all going to have to adjust to a 'new normal' -- a balance between public health and economics. We can't just have 15% unemployment and millions of Americans collecting unemployment benefits forever. It's just not sustainable in an economy.

I do think the best thing that can be done to contain this is pretty simple: Wear a mask when in public, don't visit large groups of people, santizize, and wash regularly. There's really not much more that we can do as a society.....

Sez WHO?

Remember "flatten the curve?" the purpose of that was to not overload the hospitals. We've done that. Now we're in the next phase, where everyone gets sick until we develop immunity or the virus weakens.

Why the fuck are you even talking about masks, groups of people, and sanitizing?

Not sure why you're talking about herd immunity right here, as that's not one of the 'phases' that we're supposed to be going through in regards to this virus. Herd immunity is great to talk about, until you notice that you need like 60-80% of the population to get the coronavirus for it to be effective. Not effective and would lead to many unnecessary deaths.

Masks, groups of people, and sanitizing are still very important. Unsure on what you think is important here when the Southern portion of the US (Florida, Texas, etc) are currently having surges in cases and we just broke the daily record for number of new cases in the US and number of new cases by percentage of tests has been steadily increasing.

[hornetsnest]

^^^^^^Guys when did this thread become the KUNG FLU thread Corona virus FLU posts are only washing out the topic we are dealing with here


A male/female/(cannot decipher correct gender) protester at the NY CHAZ brags about their college education and mock the police for being uneducated, working class, illiterate rubes. They also call a black cop “black Judas” or race traitor.Does this fool not realise that in the Communist countries they have developed a system of forced treatment in insane asylums that would probably make him/her disappear... Three times a day - right at this very moment - the doctors are making their rounds and injecting substances that destroy the brain.The first to go under a marxist regime will be all these "woke" philosophy students and "expressive artists" It will be a real ~Dead Poet Society    https://twitter.com/i/status/1278226800317919234

.........meanwhile





..hey but don't feel so bad Adam.Instead of the welfare check that taxes on "capitalism" would provide you with 'marxism" will have massive compulsory labor which is not paid in accordance with its value; work on holidays; forced living in communes; and the incessant dinning of slogans and dogmas that abolish the human essence and deny all individuality to man.Happy days  

[Spendulus]

...
I do think the best thing that can be done to contain this is pretty simple: Wear a mask when in public, don't visit large groups of people, santizize, and wash regularly. There's really not much more that we can do as a society.....

Sez WHO?

Remember "flatten the curve?" the purpose of that was to not overload the hospitals. We've done that. Now we're in the next phase, where everyone gets sick until we develop immunity or the virus weakens.

Why the fuck are you even talking about masks, groups of people, and sanitizing?

Not sure why you're talking about herd immunity right here, as that's not one of the 'phases' that we're supposed to be going through in regards to this virus. Herd immunity is great to talk about, until you notice that you need like 60-80% of the population to get the coronavirus for it to be effective. Not effective and would lead to many unnecessary deaths.

Masks, groups of people, and sanitizing are still very important. Unsure on what you think is important here when the Southern portion of the US (Florida, Texas, etc) are currently having surges in cases and we just broke the daily record for number of new cases in the US and number of new cases by percentage of tests has been steadily increasing.

So we DID "flatten the curve", and now we're back to people getting the disease, and we're well on the way to herd immunity. Why would you want to push that point off farther into the future? Also you've not taken into account that the virus may have weakened.

[hornetsnest]

Black Lives Matter protests win medical approval, but not Trump rallies. Is Covid-19 a marxist disease?


This is Michael Hickson, a 46-year-old coronavirus patient

Because he is a quadriplegic, doctors said his "quality of life" would be too low to be treated

So over the course of 6 days, they starved him to death

Michael was a Black man.Did his life not matter?




Black people STOP being deceived by these marxist parasites.They DON'T give a shit about you.They are emotionally manipulating you to adopt and endorse their warped ideology and will treat US ALL the same way as Michael was treated when we lose our "economic value" in their global factory.The free market and liberty is the best guarantor of freedom.Marxists are squandering your tax dollars.This is why there is inequality and why our economies are bankrupted and we are ALL sold into bondage to the elite.Utopia for them/Dystopia for us.Socialism for them/Communism for us.Marxists DON'T care about you.Marxists only care about marxism and climbing up it's ladder  ;-)

You couldn't make this shit up for an orwellian movie script and these are the "useful idiots" advising our governments.

Ok then,as this thread is now dealing with COVID-19 related incidence this post remains on topic for both OP and COVID-19.

This past Friday, pro-lifers began reporting on doctors killing #MichaelHickson. To this point, it has only been picked up by pro-lifers and disability rights activists. That it has been ignored by major media and racial justice activists is a disgrace.
Michael got COVID-19 and was put in the hospital. A paraplegic who could not walk or easily talk, he clearly interacted with his family, laughing at jokes and enjoying songs. Due to complex disagreements over his care, however, medical decision-making was taken from his wife.
That's when his white doctor decided, along with his appointed guardian, aggressive medical treatment was no longer appropriate for him.

It would have been one thing if the argument was that  treatment was burdensome. A case can be made for this when it comes to ventilation.
But the doctor even denied Michael getting the important drug (for COVID patients) remdesivir...despite the fact that it is best used apart from ventilation.     cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/05/study-remdesivir-benefits-some-covid-19-patients   

Why did Michael's doctor deny him this potentially life-saving drug?
He didn't think Michael should live.

Don't believe me? Listen to the legal recording yourself. youtube.com/watch?v=jq-_gtjnzZg&feature=youtu.be The doctor says, "Cause as of right now, his quality of life...he doesn't have much of one." And then he confirms he's talking about Michael's disabilities.
The doctor makes several damning statements, but this one takes the cake. After explaining that he'd seen three other patients survive in similar cases, he says quite directly that what makes this case different is that Michael has disabilities the other three did not have.
Dr. Gutierrez is one of the few physicians who have spoken directly about what happened in this case. Her thread below is worth reading in its entirety. Doctors are good at protecting their own, but we need more brave people like her to speak truth.
Doctors rate quality of life of patients worse than patients do themselves.

And African Americans have long been understandably fearful of explicit and structural racism in medicine, especially at the end of life.

#MichaelHickson's case is a paradigmatic example of both.
We need #medtwitter to confront its racism and ableism.

At this moment, one would think major media and racial justice activists would hold doctors and medicine in general accountable for this. But they aren't.
Again, it appears to be only pro-life and disability activists.