Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone... What are your thoughts on it?

[squatz1]

I wouldn't go as far to say that this is a marxist disease or that all of this is a conspiracy or something along those lines.

Though I do think all of us do notice that there is a major problem with telling people to social distance, wear masks, not be in large groups, and then allow protesting to go on without mass arresting people who are obviously violating the guidelines set forth by the federal / state governments.

Doesn't really make local businesses that happy when they're already in a rough financial situation that they're not allowed to reopen because of coronavirus, but protesters can continue doing their thing.

Nobody really knows how to contain this covid-19 mess in a way that's practical, so people with authority resort to thinking up guidelines themselves, you can see different states have wildly different social distancing rules and this is the result of mayors and governors and other people in charge having different opinions on what's best for the community.

One thing's for sure, people won't heed a prohibition of gathering in large groups, even if that was enforced by mass arresting, because it will simply make them more angry and resentful. More anger escalates violence.

Maybe local businesses are fined consistently for breaking quarantine rules, though it certainly looks like individual people aren't fined consistently. And if that's the case then it really sucks to be in their position but it does tell us that governors are handling businesses properly.

Back to lurking now 

Oh yeah, you're totally right on no one really having the 'right' answer on what to do here. I think something that everyone has to remember is that we're all going to have to adjust to a 'new normal' -- a balance between public health and economics. We can't just have 15% unemployment and millions of Americans collecting unemployment benefits forever. It's just not sustainable in an economy.

I do think the best thing that can be done to contain this is pretty simple: Wear a mask when in public, don't visit large groups of people, santizize, and wash regularly. There's really not much more that we can do as a society.

Government is left to fill in the rest of the issues there by getting more testing, developing better guidelines with both economic/public health in mind, and a vaccine at some point.

As I said before though, it's just rough to be business owner who's sitting around losing money everyday as you continue to pay rent on a restaurant that you're only able to get 25% of the revenues you had before from takein and all that, while protestors are roaming the streets in large groups defying the same order that you're following by keeping your business closed to the public.

Tough tough times.

[Spendulus]

I wouldn't go as far to say that this is a marxist disease or that all of this is a conspiracy or something along those lines.

Though I do think all of us do notice that there is a major problem with telling people to social distance, wear masks, not be in large groups, and then allow protesting to go on without mass arresting people who are obviously violating the guidelines set forth by the federal / state governments.

Doesn't really make local businesses that happy when they're already in a rough financial situation that they're not allowed to reopen because of coronavirus, but protesters can continue doing their thing.

Nobody really knows how to contain this covid-19 mess in a way that's practical, so people with authority resort to thinking up guidelines themselves, you can see different states have wildly different social distancing rules and this is the result of mayors and governors and other people in charge having different opinions on what's best for the community.

One thing's for sure, people won't heed a prohibition of gathering in large groups, even if that was enforced by mass arresting, because it will simply make them more angry and resentful. More anger escalates violence.

Maybe local businesses are fined consistently for breaking quarantine rules, though it certainly looks like individual people aren't fined consistently. And if that's the case then it really sucks to be in their position but it does tell us that governors are handling businesses properly.

Back to lurking now 

Oh yeah, you're totally right on no one really having the 'right' answer on what to do here. I think something that everyone has to remember is that we're all going to have to adjust to a 'new normal' -- a balance between public health and economics. We can't just have 15% unemployment and millions of Americans collecting unemployment benefits forever. It's just not sustainable in an economy.

I do think the best thing that can be done to contain this is pretty simple: Wear a mask when in public, don't visit large groups of people, santizize, and wash regularly. There's really not much more that we can do as a society.....

Sez WHO?

Remember "flatten the curve?" the purpose of that was to not overload the hospitals. We've done that. Now we're in the next phase, where everyone gets sick until we develop immunity or the virus weakens.

Why the fuck are you even talking about masks, groups of people, and sanitizing?

[squatz1]

I wouldn't go as far to say that this is a marxist disease or that all of this is a conspiracy or something along those lines.

Though I do think all of us do notice that there is a major problem with telling people to social distance, wear masks, not be in large groups, and then allow protesting to go on without mass arresting people who are obviously violating the guidelines set forth by the federal / state governments.

Doesn't really make local businesses that happy when they're already in a rough financial situation that they're not allowed to reopen because of coronavirus, but protesters can continue doing their thing.

Nobody really knows how to contain this covid-19 mess in a way that's practical, so people with authority resort to thinking up guidelines themselves, you can see different states have wildly different social distancing rules and this is the result of mayors and governors and other people in charge having different opinions on what's best for the community.

One thing's for sure, people won't heed a prohibition of gathering in large groups, even if that was enforced by mass arresting, because it will simply make them more angry and resentful. More anger escalates violence.

Maybe local businesses are fined consistently for breaking quarantine rules, though it certainly looks like individual people aren't fined consistently. And if that's the case then it really sucks to be in their position but it does tell us that governors are handling businesses properly.

Back to lurking now 

Oh yeah, you're totally right on no one really having the 'right' answer on what to do here. I think something that everyone has to remember is that we're all going to have to adjust to a 'new normal' -- a balance between public health and economics. We can't just have 15% unemployment and millions of Americans collecting unemployment benefits forever. It's just not sustainable in an economy.

I do think the best thing that can be done to contain this is pretty simple: Wear a mask when in public, don't visit large groups of people, santizize, and wash regularly. There's really not much more that we can do as a society.....

Sez WHO?

Remember "flatten the curve?" the purpose of that was to not overload the hospitals. We've done that. Now we're in the next phase, where everyone gets sick until we develop immunity or the virus weakens.

Why the fuck are you even talking about masks, groups of people, and sanitizing?

Not sure why you're talking about herd immunity right here, as that's not one of the 'phases' that we're supposed to be going through in regards to this virus. Herd immunity is great to talk about, until you notice that you need like 60-80% of the population to get the coronavirus for it to be effective. Not effective and would lead to many unnecessary deaths.

Masks, groups of people, and sanitizing are still very important. Unsure on what you think is important here when the Southern portion of the US (Florida, Texas, etc) are currently having surges in cases and we just broke the daily record for number of new cases in the US and number of new cases by percentage of tests has been steadily increasing.

[hornetsnest]

^^^^^^Guys when did this thread become the KUNG FLU thread Corona virus FLU posts are only washing out the topic we are dealing with here


A male/female/(cannot decipher correct gender) protester at the NY CHAZ brags about their college education and mock the police for being uneducated, working class, illiterate rubes. They also call a black cop “black Judas” or race traitor.Does this fool not realise that in the Communist countries they have developed a system of forced treatment in insane asylums that would probably make him/her disappear... Three times a day - right at this very moment - the doctors are making their rounds and injecting substances that destroy the brain.The first to go under a marxist regime will be all these "woke" philosophy students and "expressive artists" It will be a real ~Dead Poet Society    https://twitter.com/i/status/1278226800317919234

.........meanwhile





..hey but don't feel so bad Adam.Instead of the welfare check that taxes on "capitalism" would provide you with 'marxism" will have massive compulsory labor which is not paid in accordance with its value; work on holidays; forced living in communes; and the incessant dinning of slogans and dogmas that abolish the human essence and deny all individuality to man.Happy days  

[Spendulus]

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I do think the best thing that can be done to contain this is pretty simple: Wear a mask when in public, don't visit large groups of people, santizize, and wash regularly. There's really not much more that we can do as a society.....

Sez WHO?

Remember "flatten the curve?" the purpose of that was to not overload the hospitals. We've done that. Now we're in the next phase, where everyone gets sick until we develop immunity or the virus weakens.

Why the fuck are you even talking about masks, groups of people, and sanitizing?

Not sure why you're talking about herd immunity right here, as that's not one of the 'phases' that we're supposed to be going through in regards to this virus. Herd immunity is great to talk about, until you notice that you need like 60-80% of the population to get the coronavirus for it to be effective. Not effective and would lead to many unnecessary deaths.

Masks, groups of people, and sanitizing are still very important. Unsure on what you think is important here when the Southern portion of the US (Florida, Texas, etc) are currently having surges in cases and we just broke the daily record for number of new cases in the US and number of new cases by percentage of tests has been steadily increasing.

So we DID "flatten the curve", and now we're back to people getting the disease, and we're well on the way to herd immunity. Why would you want to push that point off farther into the future? Also you've not taken into account that the virus may have weakened.

[hornetsnest]

Black Lives Matter protests win medical approval, but not Trump rallies. Is Covid-19 a marxist disease?


This is Michael Hickson, a 46-year-old coronavirus patient

Because he is a quadriplegic, doctors said his "quality of life" would be too low to be treated

So over the course of 6 days, they starved him to death

Michael was a Black man.Did his life not matter?




Black people STOP being deceived by these marxist parasites.They DON'T give a shit about you.They are emotionally manipulating you to adopt and endorse their warped ideology and will treat US ALL the same way as Michael was treated when we lose our "economic value" in their global factory.The free market and liberty is the best guarantor of freedom.Marxists are squandering your tax dollars.This is why there is inequality and why our economies are bankrupted and we are ALL sold into bondage to the elite.Utopia for them/Dystopia for us.Socialism for them/Communism for us.Marxists DON'T care about you.Marxists only care about marxism and climbing up it's ladder  ;-)

You couldn't make this shit up for an orwellian movie script and these are the "useful idiots" advising our governments.

Ok then,as this thread is now dealing with COVID-19 related incidence this post remains on topic for both OP and COVID-19.

This past Friday, pro-lifers began reporting on doctors killing #MichaelHickson. To this point, it has only been picked up by pro-lifers and disability rights activists. That it has been ignored by major media and racial justice activists is a disgrace.
Michael got COVID-19 and was put in the hospital. A paraplegic who could not walk or easily talk, he clearly interacted with his family, laughing at jokes and enjoying songs. Due to complex disagreements over his care, however, medical decision-making was taken from his wife.
That's when his white doctor decided, along with his appointed guardian, aggressive medical treatment was no longer appropriate for him.

It would have been one thing if the argument was that  treatment was burdensome. A case can be made for this when it comes to ventilation.
But the doctor even denied Michael getting the important drug (for COVID patients) remdesivir...despite the fact that it is best used apart from ventilation.     cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/05/study-remdesivir-benefits-some-covid-19-patients   

Why did Michael's doctor deny him this potentially life-saving drug?
He didn't think Michael should live.

Don't believe me? Listen to the legal recording yourself. youtube.com/watch?v=jq-_gtjnzZg&feature=youtu.be The doctor says, "Cause as of right now, his quality of life...he doesn't have much of one." And then he confirms he's talking about Michael's disabilities.
The doctor makes several damning statements, but this one takes the cake. After explaining that he'd seen three other patients survive in similar cases, he says quite directly that what makes this case different is that Michael has disabilities the other three did not have.
Dr. Gutierrez is one of the few physicians who have spoken directly about what happened in this case. Her thread below is worth reading in its entirety. Doctors are good at protecting their own, but we need more brave people like her to speak truth.
Doctors rate quality of life of patients worse than patients do themselves.

And African Americans have long been understandably fearful of explicit and structural racism in medicine, especially at the end of life.

#MichaelHickson's case is a paradigmatic example of both.
We need #medtwitter to confront its racism and ableism.

At this moment, one would think major media and racial justice activists would hold doctors and medicine in general accountable for this. But they aren't.
Again, it appears to be only pro-life and disability activists.