[WTB] buying Casascius 1 BTC brass coin 2011-2013

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I want to buy a Casascius coin, common one - not "error" or otherwise rare - because common ones are cheaper
Please PM your offers.

Considering the rarity and an additional shitcoin balance inside I think the adequate price should be about 1.2 BTC. Please do not PM if you want to sell 1 BTC coin for 1.5-2 BTC

The coin must be in mint/new condition, however I could consider slightly damaged (not a peeled hologram of course )

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Please note that the seller must accept a guarantor service, I will not send the money directly.

i.e. I send money to a third party (trusted user on this forum) and seller sends the coin to me, once I confirm the delivery the third party sends the money to the seller. I will pay the fee for the guarantor service.
For the safety I will record a video of receiving and opening the parcel, and inspecting the hologram.

Also we could just have a personal meeting for the deal I live in South-East Asia, we could meet in some big hub like Singapore or Hong Kong airport.

[Room101]

Please note that the seller must accept a guarantor service, I will not send the money directly.

i.e. I send money to a third party (trusted user on this forum) and seller sends the coin to me, once I confirm the delivery the third party sends the money to the seller. I will pay the fee for the guarantor service.
For the safety I will record a video of receiving and opening the parcel, and inspecting the hologram.

Also we could just have a personal meeting for the deal I live in South-East Asia, we could meet in some big hub like Singapore or Hong Kong airport.

It usually works that buyer sends BTC to escrow like minerjones, then seller sends coin to minerjones ( not you). As soon as he receives coin from seller he forwards on the bitcoin ( minus 1%), and then forwards on the coin.

EDIT: also note insurance is impossible on bitcoins, I use the above method to import into Australia frequently, but if it gets lost/ stolen in the mail after escrow forwards you the coin, you are shit out of luck, and will lose your bitcoin. 

[Room101]

I want to buy a Casascius coin, common one - not "error" or otherwise rare - because common ones are cheaper
Please PM your offers.

Considering the rarity and an additional shitcoin balance inside I think the adequate price should be about 1.2 BTC. Please do not PM if you want to sell 1 BTC coin for 1.5-2 BTC

The coin must be in mint/new condition, however I could consider slightly damaged (not a peeled hologram of course )

Very difficult to find the brass Casascius in better than MS67. Higher grades are more common on the Silver ones, but they go for much higher prices.

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It usually works that buyer sends BTC to escrow like minerjones, then seller sends coin to minerjones ( not you). As soon as he receives coin from seller he forwards on the bitcoin ( minus 1%), and then forwards on the coin.

No problem, this method is acceptable too.

EDIT: also note insurance is impossible on bitcoins, I use the above method to import into Australia frequently, but if it gets lost/ stolen in the mail after escrow forwards you the coin, you are shit out of luck, and will lose your bitcoin. 

You're a risky guy if you send $10'000 items via regular post
I accept DHL courier service only!

[AT101ET]

It usually works that buyer sends BTC to escrow like minerjones, then seller sends coin to minerjones ( not you). As soon as he receives coin from seller he forwards on the bitcoin ( minus 1%), and then forwards on the coin.

No problem, this method is acceptable too.

EDIT: also note insurance is impossible on bitcoins, I use the above method to import into Australia frequently, but if it gets lost/ stolen in the mail after escrow forwards you the coin, you are shit out of luck, and will lose your bitcoin. 

You're a risky guy if you send $10'000 items via regular post
I accept DHL courier service only!

Using DHL won’t cover the parcel in case of loss/damage etc.
You can insure the package up to the value it’s worth but as per their terms, it’ll be excluded from their coverage.

This includes:
• Any means of non-cash payment (e.g. cheques, ready to use credit-cards, fiscal stamps, securities, negotiable instruments, treasury notes and the like)
• Bullion and all precious metals
• Money of every description (e.g. cash, bank notes, coins, currency notes)

Bitcoin (even in a tangible form) is a commodity that won’t be covered. As BTC prices rise, most sales will be F2F or sellers will opt to peel rather than sell and expose themselves to any risk.

[Room101]

It usually works that buyer sends BTC to escrow like minerjones, then seller sends coin to minerjones ( not you). As soon as he receives coin from seller he forwards on the bitcoin ( minus 1%), and then forwards on the coin.

No problem, this method is acceptable too.

EDIT: also note insurance is impossible on bitcoins, I use the above method to import into Australia frequently, but if it gets lost/ stolen in the mail after escrow forwards you the coin, you are shit out of luck, and will lose your bitcoin. 

You're a risky guy if you send $10'000 items via regular post
I accept DHL courier service only!

Using DHL won’t cover the parcel in case of loss/damage etc.
You can insure the package up to the value it’s worth but as per their terms, it’ll be excluded from their coverage.

This includes:
• Any means of non-cash payment (e.g. cheques, ready to use credit-cards, fiscal stamps, securities, negotiable instruments, treasury notes and the like)
• Bullion and all precious metals
• Money of every description (e.g. cash, bank notes, coins, currency notes)

Bitcoin (even in a tangible form) is a commodity that won’t be covered. As BTC prices rise, most sales will be F2F or sellers will opt to peel rather than sell and expose themselves to any risk.

Exactly. I think it safer not to say it worth lots of money, more chance of being stolen that way. Customs is notorious for it.

[krogoth]

Please note that the seller must accept a guarantor service, I will not send the money directly.

i.e. I send money to a third party (trusted user on this forum) and seller sends the coin to me, once I confirm the delivery the third party sends the money to the seller. I will pay the fee for the guarantor service.
For the safety I will record a video of receiving and opening the parcel, and inspecting the hologram.

Also we could just have a personal meeting for the deal I live in South-East Asia, we could meet in some big hub like Singapore or Hong Kong airport.

It usually works that buyer sends BTC to escrow like minerjones, then seller sends coin to minerjones ( not you). As soon as he receives coin from seller he forwards on the bitcoin ( minus 1%), and then forwards on the coin.

EDIT: also note insurance is impossible on bitcoins, I use the above method to import into Australia frequently, but if it gets lost/ stolen in the mail after escrow forwards you the coin, you are shit out of luck, and will lose your bitcoin.  

A VISUAL help with Escrow explanation  

[Room101]

Please note that the seller must accept a guarantor service, I will not send the money directly.

i.e. I send money to a third party (trusted user on this forum) and seller sends the coin to me, once I confirm the delivery the third party sends the money to the seller. I will pay the fee for the guarantor service.
For the safety I will record a video of receiving and opening the parcel, and inspecting the hologram.

Also we could just have a personal meeting for the deal I live in South-East Asia, we could meet in some big hub like Singapore or Hong Kong airport.

It usually works that buyer sends BTC to escrow like minerjones, then seller sends coin to minerjones ( not you). As soon as he receives coin from seller he forwards on the bitcoin ( minus 1%), and then forwards on the coin.

EDIT: also note insurance is impossible on bitcoins, I use the above method to import into Australia frequently, but if it gets lost/ stolen in the mail after escrow forwards you the coin, you are shit out of luck, and will lose your bitcoin. 

 a VISUAL help with Escrow explanation 

Interesting Krog, that's more inline with what the OP suggested initially than what I said. The issue I take with that, as a seller, is you would be assuming a lot of extra risk in sending an international shipment. If customs does steal it, or DHS lose it etc, what happens to the escrow? Does buyer get back escrow unless shipment says delivered? Means seller takes postage/customs risk instead of buyer. I wouldn't sell under those conditions, not that I ever do sell, I am a buyer only, but I always assume the risk as a buyer importing it into another country, especially one with customs who like to steal shit.

[krogoth]

Please note that the seller must accept a guarantor service, I will not send the money directly.

i.e. I send money to a third party (trusted user on this forum) and seller sends the coin to me, once I confirm the delivery the third party sends the money to the seller. I will pay the fee for the guarantor service.
For the safety I will record a video of receiving and opening the parcel, and inspecting the hologram.

Also we could just have a personal meeting for the deal I live in South-East Asia, we could meet in some big hub like Singapore or Hong Kong airport.

It usually works that buyer sends BTC to escrow like minerjones, then seller sends coin to minerjones ( not you). As soon as he receives coin from seller he forwards on the bitcoin ( minus 1%), and then forwards on the coin.

EDIT: also note insurance is impossible on bitcoins, I use the above method to import into Australia frequently, but if it gets lost/ stolen in the mail after escrow forwards you the coin, you are shit out of luck, and will lose your bitcoin.  

 a VISUAL help with Escrow explanation  

Interesting Krog, that's more inline with what the OP suggested initially than what I said. The issue I take with that, as a seller, is you would be assuming a lot of extra risk in sending an international shipment. If customs does steal it, or DHS lose it etc, what happens to the escrow? Does buyer get back escrow unless shipment says delivered? Means seller takes postage/customs risk instead of buyer. I wouldn't sell under those conditions, not that I ever do sell, I am a buyer only, but I always assume the risk as a buyer importing it into another country, especially one with customs who like to steal shit.

  I personally would not trust anything in the mail with a value of  0.5btc or over. For that an in person meet comes in mind or send by a crypto courier.
  For anything in the 0.2 btc range and lower I will send fedex overnight.

  The visual aid is just help in visually showing how escrow works...for any item. Does not mean I agree or disagree with anyones comments

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DHL are a customs broker themselves and have an agreement with some countries' customs, thus their packages are either inspected by DHL themselves, or never inspected at all, or inspected very thoroughly by the country's government customs.
All these options do ensure that the package is never "lost" at customs office, and that's why I insist on DHL shipping only.
The downside of DHL customs brokerage is - they always charge an import tax (even when a country's customs do not charge), and DHL's import tax is always higher than the government's customs (e.g. you will pay 20% import tax for an item shipped by DHL rather than 15% for usual postal service)

[Room101]

DHL are a customs broker themselves and have an agreement with some countries' customs, thus their packages are either inspected by DHL themselves, or never inspected at all, or inspected very thoroughly by the country's government customs.
All these options do ensure that the package is never "lost" at customs office, and that's why I insist on DHL shipping only.
The downside of DHL customs brokerage is - they always charge an import tax (even when a country's customs do not charge), and DHL's import tax is always higher than the government's customs (e.g. you will pay 20% import tax for an item shipped by DHL rather than 15% for usual postal service)

Are you saying you have to pay a 20% tax on top of bitcoin? So a $10k Cas will cost $12k?

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DHL are a customs broker themselves and have an agreement with some countries' customs, thus their packages are either inspected by DHL themselves, or never inspected at all, or inspected very thoroughly by the country's government customs.
All these options do ensure that the package is never "lost" at customs office, and that's why I insist on DHL shipping only.
The downside of DHL customs brokerage is - they always charge an import tax (even when a country's customs do not charge), and DHL's import tax is always higher than the government's customs (e.g. you will pay 20% import tax for an item shipped by DHL rather than 15% for usual postal service)

Are you saying you have to pay a 20% tax on top of bitcoin? So a $10k Cas will cost $12k?

It's just an example, the tax depends on item type and description (e.g. "flashlights" will be taxed 15% by the government / 17% by DHL, "sports equipment" will be taxed 35% by the government / 40% by DHL and so on) and on declared item price (e.g. 100 USD item will not be taxed by the government but will be taxed by DHL and so on).

The physical Bitcoin is a "Books & Collectibles" category item which import tax is close to zero, also you could (and should ) declare its price as $1k instead of $10k.

[Room101]

DHL are a customs broker themselves and have an agreement with some countries' customs, thus their packages are either inspected by DHL themselves, or never inspected at all, or inspected very thoroughly by the country's government customs.
All these options do ensure that the package is never "lost" at customs office, and that's why I insist on DHL shipping only.
The downside of DHL customs brokerage is - they always charge an import tax (even when a country's customs do not charge), and DHL's import tax is always higher than the government's customs (e.g. you will pay 20% import tax for an item shipped by DHL rather than 15% for usual postal service)

Are you saying you have to pay a 20% tax on top of bitcoin? So a $10k Cas will cost $12k?

It's just an example, the tax depends on item type and description (e.g. "flashlights" will be taxed 15% by the government / 17% by DHL, "sports equipment" will be taxed 35% by the government / 40% by DHL and so on) and on declared item price (e.g. 100 USD item will not be taxed by the government but will be taxed by DHL and so on).

The physical Bitcoin is a "Books & Collectibles" category item which import tax is close to zero, also you could (and should ) declare its price as $1k instead of $10k.

That sounds better! I was going to say! Screw that!

[AT101ET]

DHL are a customs broker themselves and have an agreement with some countries' customs, thus their packages are either inspected by DHL themselves, or never inspected at all, or inspected very thoroughly by the country's government customs.
All these options do ensure that the package is never "lost" at customs office, and that's why I insist on DHL shipping only.
The downside of DHL customs brokerage is - they always charge an import tax (even when a country's customs do not charge), and DHL's import tax is always higher than the government's customs (e.g. you will pay 20% import tax for an item shipped by DHL rather than 15% for usual postal service)

I’m not sure how accurate this is in relation to physical BTC.
I had a DHL Express shipment that was leaving the U.K. seized by customs. The parcel was correctly labelled, valued etc. Had I undervalued the package, the goods would have been forfeited (although they may not have looked at in in the first place if I’d disclosed a lower value).
It took half a year and lots of legal correspondence to get my coins back.
There’s a risk with every courier you use. DHL or not.

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you should tell them it is loaded with a digital cryptocurrency and see what they say......

I wouldn't tell that as Bitcoin is not yet accepted as a legal tender in my country, same as most other countries in the world

I had a DHL Express shipment that was leaving the U.K. seized by customs. The parcel was correctly labelled, valued etc. Had I undervalued the package, the goods would have been forfeited (although they may not have looked at in in the first place if I’d disclosed a lower value).
It took half a year and lots of legal correspondence to get my coins back.

What do you mean under "coins" - physical Bitcoins or your cash?


I've never had any package lost by DHL yet, but many were "lost" by the usual postal service (maybe it was the customs as the tracking stopped right on the country border or right before it).

[AT101ET]

you should tell them it is loaded with a digital cryptocurrency and see what they say......

I wouldn't tell that as Bitcoin is not yet accepted as a legal tender in my country, same as most other countries in the world

I had a DHL Express shipment that was leaving the U.K. seized by customs. The parcel was correctly labelled, valued etc. Had I undervalued the package, the goods would have been forfeited (although they may not have looked at in in the first place if I’d disclosed a lower value).
It took half a year and lots of legal correspondence to get my coins back.

What do you mean under "coins" - physical Bitcoins or your cash?


I've never had any package lost by DHL yet, but many were "lost" by the usual postal service (maybe it was the customs as the tracking stopped right on the country border or right before it).

Physical bitcoins. They were marked as collectible tokens and declared at full value (fiat face value + fiat premium) when shipped

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For comparables @coblee auctioned off some IGC graded Casascius 1 BTC brass coins last summer graded MS67 to MS69. Depending on grade auction price was 1.22 to 1.42:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5146938.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5144561.msg51104043#msg51104043
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5142846.20

Considering your location getting a coin graded would be a chore and somewhat risky requiring extra trips by courier so think about buying a coin that is already graded. Graded coins do tend to sell for slightly higher prices and are easier to resell. Good luck!

[anonymousminer]

I would NEVER trust DHL in the US..... NEVER!!

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I would NEVER trust DHL in the US..... NEVER!!

Mind sharing your experience?