scam elmanchez

[lexitark]

@Royse777 thanks for you help

for those who still believe I am behind this, you have no idea how hard it was to prove a localbitcoin internal transfer that has no TXID

I reached out at least 10 legendary members for the last 2 days, asking them to verify my transaction, I would do it on team viewer, discord, video etc, let them have complete access to my exchange account, most of them turn me down, they said it is too risk for them to open in team viewer, I almost fail until @Royse777 agreed last night

If I had planed it why did I even use lbc internal transfer that is so hard to prove? will a scammer give someone access to his exchange wallet? which is real name verified

I didn't know it was a lbc wallet until i made transfer, whoever planned this was counting on that I can't prove a internal transfer

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[lexitark]

let me get this straight

2 stories

mine:

Elmanchez contacted me on telegram saying he wants to buy my btc, and because he has good trading history, I should send him btc first, I said Ok, but PM your wallet from btc talk so I know it is your wallet
I believe that is how most people do exchange here

elmancez:

A person wrote to me that he wants to change BTC to WMZ , and I sent him a screenshot and a link to my profile in my address.
He said I would have to send dengyi to this address.
I said that I would send everything after he sent me WMZ and I agreed, the deal was for $ 22.
As proof, he asked me to send this address to him in a private message to prove that my account

So elmancez wants this person to pay him WMZ first, then should elmancez pm a WMZ wallet to me if he want me to pay him WMZ? why did he PM me a btc wallet? does this story and action seems too odd to you people? not mention he sent someone else wallet to me

[hacker1001101001]

elmancez:

A person wrote to me that he wants to change BTC to WMZ , and I sent him a screenshot and a link to my profile in my address.
He said I would have to send dengyi to this address.
I said that I would send everything after he sent me WMZ and I agreed, the deal was for $ 22.
As proof, he asked me to send this address to him in a private message to prove that my account

So he want this person to pay him WMZ first, then should elmancez pm a WMZ wallet to me if he want me to pay him WMZ? why did he PM me a btc wallet? does this story and action seems too odd to you people? not mention he sent someone else wallet to me

This looks tricky.

But it was the impersonators own BTC address, which he asked Elmanchez to send him through bitcointalk PM to verify.

[LoyceV]

I didn't know it was a lbc wallet until i made transfer

I've never used localbitcoins, so I don't know how it looks, but doesn't it tell you it's an "internal" transaction?

whoever planned this was counting on that I can't prove a internal transfer

This is confusing. Assuming it's a triangle scam, the scammer has his (your) money already. The scammer doesn't care if you can prove anything to elmanchez, because it's now only between the 2 victims.

[The Cryptovator]

Although the story was quite complicated to understand but I have read it multiple times. So what I understand someone had asked to @elmanchez for send btc address to OP bitcointalk profile. Since @Royse777 have verified OP claim and @elmanchez admitted that he has sent btc address to OP, so mistake happened by @elmanchez. Most likely scammer dealing with both of them (with OP & elmanchez).

@elmanchez, you shouldn't simply sent someone else bitcoin address to other user. You should write your own message like about what are you going to deal and how. You have no way to prove yourself innocent on this case. You are the one who is responsible for it.

Conclusion; My personal view on this case is @elmanchez have to pay somehow. Either he will ended up with negative feedback since there is no chances to prove innocent because telegram chat isn't enough to prove. Or he have to pay fund lost by OP due to sent PM.

I can understand OP & elmanchez both of them are victim, there is no other solution if @elmanchez unable to prove him innocent.

[orangelemon]

@elmanchez is a scammer "BE CAREFUL"
check his profile : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2553198
This user's email address was changed recently.


@elmanchez sent me messages on telegram from different IDs to buy my WMZ


https://i.imgur.com/JeyTv3N.jpg (ID Deleted)
https://i.imgur.com/kgHfrKc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/76dt3XM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/trZ0miQ.jpg

[LoyceV]

@elmanchez sent me messages on telegram from different IDs to buy my WMZ

The entire conversation would be so much easier to assess if it would be a public topic on Bitcointalk! Now it's screenshots taken from scammer paradise Telegram and screenshots taken from PMs. It makes it very hard to follow, and the screenshots don't prove anything.

I helped elmanchez with a small trade with a few weeks back. The details are all public. Posts deleted? See http://loyce.club/archive/details/topic_5252054.html !

Forget about Telegram, use the forum! If anything, it makes collecting evidence easier.

[target]

I was already amazed at how the scammer pulled this out. Why would you send someone else BTC address to someone who you want to pay you? elmanchez story is something I may not believe. If the PMs not going to be for public then I'd like it to happen that he would pay the amount back for good faith.

[elmanchez]

Ready payback from my signed adress, agree with my mistake.
Post adress

[lexitark]

@elmanchez is a scammer "BE CAREFUL"
check his profile : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2553198
This user's email address was changed recently.


@elmanchez sent me messages on telegram from different IDs to buy my WMZ


https://i.imgur.com/JeyTv3N.jpg (ID Deleted)
https://i.imgur.com/kgHfrKc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/76dt3XM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/trZ0miQ.jpg

build your own topic, don't hijack mine

I am willing to forgive @elmanchez if he pay back my lost
then my matter is closed

[lexitark]

Ready payback from my signed adress, agree with my mistake.
Post adress

18mZHD4TB17rHdTbK4BzqK1mGYXM9tLcfS

0.0092btc to my wallet

[orangelemon]

@elmanchez is a scammer "BE CAREFUL"
check his profile : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2553198
This user's email address was changed recently.


@elmanchez sent me messages on telegram from different IDs to buy my WMZ


https://i.imgur.com/JeyTv3N.jpg (ID Deleted)
https://i.imgur.com/kgHfrKc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/76dt3XM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/trZ0miQ.jpg

build your own topic, don't hijack mine

I am willing to forgive @elmanchez if he pay back my lost
then my matter is closed

I am not hijacking you idiot but anyways good luck

[sujonali1819]

@elmanchez is a scammer "BE CAREFUL"
check his profile : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2553198
This user's email address was changed recently.

@elmanchez sent me messages on telegram from different IDs to buy my WMZ

Email change does not mean he is a scammer. anybody can change the email address if need. but most of the case email is changed when the account is brought. Again scammer is trying many ways to scam people. Telegram is one of the best ways. So any scammer can knock you in telegram and are you telling about the profile screenshots? it is like a kid's lollipop. If you trust just seeing the profile screenshots then the mistake is yours.

BTW I see the profile screenshot that you provided in the op. My question to you all that there is any feature where I can see the DT position in my profile? I did not see it before.



Edit: Got it. It’s a chrome extension.  


Edit 2: elmanchez what is your telegram id? / @AceBig this is you telegram id?

I am seeing something wrong again about elmanchez

[AB de Royse777]

I am not hijacking you idiot but anyways good luck

@lexitark, I do not think orangelemon was hijacking your thread, but he was just sharing an experience in here.

[elmanchez]

I stoped using telegram already 3 days.

Ammout will be paid within 3-4 hours.

[sujonali1819]

I stoped using telegram already 3 days.

ok, When I was made this post in this thread I received a pm in my telegram after 5-10 minutes of posting.

 

  

The telegram username is: @AceBig which is used here: http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5465/54657189.html by bitcointalk user: AceBig

So if you don't use telegram that means you did not pm me. Then the man who PMed me in telegram will be someone who Trust irfan_pak10 > http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-20_Sat_05.04h/350580.html
or
Yaunfitda (It is not visible in loyce trust list viewer ) because if you see closely the first screenshot then you can see my green trust score is +4 But when you see my trust by default trust you will see it +3

[LoyceV]

The telegram username is: @AceBig which is used here: http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5465/54657189.html by bitcointalk user: AceBig

Anyone can say they're elmanchez on Telegram.

I asked @AceBig on Telegram:

Can you PM LoyceV on Bitcointalk from elmanchez saying "hi LoyceV I am elmanchez and my Telegram account is @AceBig"?

Response

ok

Needless to say, I didn't receive a PM. AceBig can't proof he's elmanchez. If he claims to be elmanchez, it's safe to assume he's lying.

[sujonali1819]

The telegram username is: @AceBig which is used here: http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5465/54657189.html by bitcointalk user: AceBig

Anyone can say they're elmanchez on Telegram.

Yes, I know anyone can tell like that. But Confusing thinks is when I see the 1st screenshot that I provided, my trust score was showing +4. That means someone take the screenshot who is using own (manual) trust list.
Yes, the user maybe not the elmanchez but he is someone who is reading this thread actively.

Edit: wow just see the telegram chat history is deleted by the @AceBig, looks something suspicious 

[Yaunfitda]

I stoped using telegram already 3 days.

ok, When I was made this post in this thread I received a pm in my telegram after 5-10 minutes of posting.

 

  

The telegram username is: @AceBig which is used here: http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5465/54657189.html by bitcointalk user: AceBig

So if you don't use telegram that means you did not pm me. Then the man who PMed me in telegram will be someone who Trust irfan_pak10 > http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-20_Sat_05.04h/350580.html
or
Yaunfitda (It is not visible in loyce trust list viewer ) because if you see closely the first screenshot then you can see my green trust score is +4 But when you see my trust by default trust you will see it +3

Oh wait, I was surprised to see my name here, I don't have any prior knowledge of any persons involved here (PM or anything). It is not visible in Loyce trust viewer because I don't have any custom trust list.

So kindly remove my name in this conversation, Thanks.

Edit: I don't have any Telegram as well.

[sujonali1819]

Oh wait, I was surprised to see my name here, I don't have any prior knowledge of any persons involved here (PM or anything). It is not visible in Loyce trust viewer because I don't have any custom trust list.

So kindly remove my name in this conversation, Thanks.

Edit: I don't have any Telegram as well.

Ha ha. You can not get my point dear, nothing wrong have said about you. I just tried to explain and gave some idea of the user who is. Don’t worry about it.

Btw @elmanchez don't make this mistake in the future and try to avoid telegram deal. And when you pay the Op post it here then OP should lock this thread.