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June 21, 2020, 07:34:13 AM
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When I checked why most meriting is NOT happening on usual boards[1] (other than meta/reputation/scam accusation), I was told most posts on usual discussion boards are JUST REPEATED THOUGHTS. I am just wondering same problem is not happening on local boards? Still local board poster are enjoying big merits from their folks.

Why not we assume, "it is okay to merit you even you post a repeated content because you are my countryman or you speak my language".

Probably lots of merit abusing are already happening on local boards just to help each other.

How worst merit system will get suffered if local boards are excluded from meriting?
(It is English forum and local boards are here to support non-native English speakers hence ranking can be through its core parts).

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Yes, I decided to post this topic after unable to compete against local posters even I am here for around 5 years and do posting after my regular job. But, people do buy an account and post in local and building their reputation easily and enjoy slots on campaigns. One recent example : ChuckBuck (This is not personal attack. I passionately hate that, but for example I need to mention it as a confirmed bought account).

[1]Usual boards:
Bitcoin Discussion, Economics, Speculation, Trading Discussion, all Marketplace sub boards and Beginners & Help.

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June 21, 2020, 07:40:14 AM
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Local boards do have a merit abuse problem, yes. But honestly, we don't have to worry too much about excess merit being spread across the forum because eventually if they do anything meaningful with it (i.e. DT) people will know.

In the case of signature campaign woes (fighting over garbage 'jobs') you can also see their post quality. Merit is very subjective, just like how someone's post quality in the eyes of individual viewers is very subjective. You can't avoid shitty posts getting merit outside of Local and you can't avoid shitty posts getting merit inside of Local. Excluding any board from merit just because certain users are abusing the system is a very surface-level patch to the problem: you're not treating the root cause, merely the symptom.

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June 21, 2020, 07:51:09 AM
Last edit: June 21, 2020, 08:03:51 AM by Rikafip
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Yes, I decided to post this topic after unable to compete against local posters even I am here for around 5 years and do posting after my regular job. But, people do buy an account and post in local and building their reputation easily and enjoy slots on campaigns.
Sure, merit abuse happens everywhere, including local boards, and in some it is easier to earn merit than in some other parts of the forum,  but I don't think that's the main reason for you not getting spots in signature campaigns.

In the last 2 months or so, you made 9 posts overall, 4 of which are applications for signature campaigns, and 1 is this post. I am not a sig camapign manager, but I am pretty sure that beside merit earned, they pay attention to that as well. If you don't make post for a month or two and then suddenly apply for sig spot, they might think that you are only interested in this forum if you are part of the signature campaign, decreasing your chances of getting accepted.

So, before asking for forum changes, focus on your own activity as that's the thing that you can actually change, and pretty much immediately.





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June 21, 2020, 07:54:20 AM
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Do not cry just because of you are not smart enough with respect to meriting and campaign manager's criteria!

Nothing will change unless you change yourself:
1. Buy an account:
account sales are allowed
2. Learn a local language and earn merits.
3. Enjoy slots in campaigns.

As simple as 123 because it has become possible for many people already Grin.
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June 21, 2020, 08:14:46 AM
Merited by Heisenberg_Hunter (2), khaled0111 (1), DdmrDdmr (1)
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I agree with some of it, Yes some time merit abuse is happening in local boards, but I do also in favor of meriting in local boards due to multiple reasons. I see many posters are making quality posts in their local language instead of English, as everyone has a grip on their local language, Secondly, there are many users who are making efforts to educate the newbies in their local language section by making posts, Where I believe many posts are merit deserving. Thirdly, It's my personal opinion, I usually check my local language thread to see if someone is making efforts in making some quality posts, I usually give him merits, you can see my history I have mostly spent my merits in local boards and especially to jr members of this forum, But alas these days I'm low at merit, actually 0  Grin

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June 21, 2020, 09:30:21 AM
Merited by cabalism13 (3), Heisenberg_Hunter (2)
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Do not cry just because of you are not smart enough with respect to meriting and campaign manager's criteria!

Nothing will change unless you change yourself:
1. Buy an account:
account sales are allowed, BUT ACCOUNT SALES ARE DISCOURAGED
2. Learn a local language and earn merits.
3. Enjoy slots in campaigns.

I don't think the OP is crying nor whatsoever, he's just expressing the unavoidable fact that most merits are from the local and some people are abusing it but then again, when was the last time you are merited for your quality post? The only merit you've receive in the last 120 days is from cabalism13 which contains only 1 merit. No wonder why you encourage people to buy an account as the forum's (un)official rules clearly stated that account sales are discouraged. Also, learning local language? Isn't your local language were your mother tongue hence you don't need to LEARN it? Merits isn't earned for fluency dude, it was earned because your post is either helpful, humorous, or informative, and not because you posted it in straight fluent local language. Lastly, when was the last time you had oined a campaign? Please next time be kind to other users and stop encouraging what should be discourage. And of course, do what you say.

I agree with some of it, Yes some time merit abuse is happening in local boards, but I do also in favor of meriting in local boards due to multiple reasons. I see many posters are making quality posts in their local language instead of English, as everyone has a grip on their local language, Secondly, there are many users who are making efforts to educate the newbies in their local language section by making posts, Where I believe many posts are merit deserving. Thirdly, It's my personal opinion, I usually check my local language thread to see if someone is making efforts in making some quality posts, I usually give him merits, you can see my history I have mostly spent my merits in local boards and especially to jr members of this forum, But alas these days I'm low at merit, actually 0  Grin

Indeed, there's no wonder why newbies prefer posting in their local boards because their mother tongue (local lang) is a much suitable way for them to express their queries, suggestions, and ideas further than the English. And also, a lot of threads or post are merited due to the fact that they deserve it with their clear good point and idea.

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Based on my experience, I see that there are plenty of local members who generally write only on the local part of the forum.
Why?
I suppose they don't speak English well and therefore do not have the confidence to write on the English part of the forum.
This doesn't mean that they don't contribute to this forum and don't write quality and useful posts.
This was one of the reasons why I started the topic on my local part of the forum, where local members can report their quality posts.
If the posts are constructive and of quality I and other members reward them with merit.
I don't see any merit abuse here, just help for local members to receive reward for their effort and contribution to this forum, for the posts that most other members in the forum can't understand and can't reward with merit (unless if they make effort to translate such posts which is unlikely).

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June 21, 2020, 10:54:02 AM
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IMO meriting repeated content on local board or posts created by user who speak same language isn't merit abuse (as long as it's not low quality posts), but merely bias when sending merits.
Such bias happened on all boards, so your idea won't solve the problem at all.

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June 21, 2020, 11:04:53 AM
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You said about building reputation. It is the point. Shitposters are unable to build up their reputation, even they bought a Legendary account or a VIP account.

Look at Phinnaeus Gage. Buyer of the account fastly destroyed the reputation by scam charity and the account was marked with many negative trust feedbacks.

You should know that on the forum, there is a staff account who used to be a bought account. He bought it, built its reputation and became a staff. I don't know which account is but I remembered hilariousandco disclosed it when the forum had thousands of banned account because of plagiarism in 2019.

bill gator who used to be a participant of Chip Mixer campaign. He bought that account, and built it up with excellent post history and good contributions to the forum community. It makes sense to see his appearance in Chip Mixer campaign. I don't attack him or Chip Mixer campaign, and I use it as a good case study for account's reputation growth

I know another bought account that used to be a participant of Bustadice campaign. Let me check for a while.
That one: St4yInTh3D4rk

Buyer is replaced by:
My phrase above should be edited as "Current owner of the account, instead of buyer/ hacker".

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June 21, 2020, 11:16:41 AM
Last edit: June 21, 2020, 12:08:25 PM by snipie
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Look at Phinnaeus Gage. Buyer of the account fastly destroyed the reputation by scam charity and the account was marked with many negative trust feedbacks.
Do you have proofs that the said account was bought and not hacked? If you don't have it then why you claim it is bought and post fake statement?
Sorry for going off topic but speaking about a deceased person in a "bad" manner makes me a little bit angry independently from who is that person. Feel free to report this post and the lies in the previous one ffs...


Edit: this shit made me think about a "downvote" button where you can hide a post if it was pressed by a specified number of forum members.
Edit2: thanks for avoiding much more drama in this subject. /s the whole text.

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June 21, 2020, 11:32:03 AM
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Look at Phinnaeus Gage. Buyer of the account fastly destroyed the reputation by scam charity and the account was marked with many negative trust feedbacks.
What are you saying? Bruno has passed - the original account owner - for someone to have bought the account after the fact would probably mean that someone related to Bruno sold the account. Though the question that arises is the very obvious "why?" since you couldn't do anything with the account after everyone knew that the original account-holder had died.

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I am sorry for the imprecisely phrase that I wrote above. It is more correctly to say that account has not yet belonged to Bruno and it is imprecisely to say it is hacked, compromised, or bought.

My phrase above should be edited as "Current owner of the account, instead of buyer/ hacker".

Thank your for the correction.

A disclosure for you, that I donated to the last scam exit of Bruno. So you can see how bad feelings I have after it is found that very probably not created by Bruno.

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June 21, 2020, 12:02:06 PM
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From my point of view, it's slightly possible to spend merit on local boards although my country has no local boeard here, seeing members here expressing their deep inside questions clearly in local language seems more understandable, and more open for higher ranks to help such members but must be a solely quality posts.
But I don't think local boarders mainly have slots in signature campaigns, this isn't true, many campaign managers are not only from local board, @Brainboss managing 777coin isn't from local board.

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June 21, 2020, 12:11:42 PM
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I do think some members have an advantage when there are a lot of local merit sources that could give actual merit to the posters. I think there's no problem with that if it goes to the write people and the post is meritable. I think there are fair merit sources everywhere.

There are still merit givers in those boards, not just as much compared to the local ones. We could see the fact that most of the new posts on the boards that you mentioned are somewhat already been discussed over and over again.





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June 21, 2020, 02:13:55 PM
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Yes, I decided to post this topic after unable to compete against local posters even I am here for around 5 years and do posting after my regular job.
Which competition you are talking on? Getting accepted in signature campaign? If you are qualified enough, you will be accepted, there's nothing to compete. Most of the times, local posters aren't accepted (Local posts actually) which made local contributors less qualified for the campaigns.
If we talk about repeated posts which is true, but there's no way you will have only unique post. Most of the times, discussion are same.
If we talk about my local board, there's no one to merit a post, no one posting quality though.

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June 21, 2020, 02:32:55 PM
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It's very hard to browse and dig in global section just to find a good post to give merit. Honestly speaking, I will not do that if I'm going to give merit. In my case, I just give merit randomly to a good post on the last page before I post my own.

In my opinion, the problem is not the repetition of the post but the speed of the post being flooded by other post which in local board case, the posting activity is not that fast compared in global section and people can easily spot a good post.


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Probably lots of merit abusing are already happening on local boards just to help each other.
Helping out users on the local boards doesn't mean there's an abuse going on. In local boards there are also contributors which are considered to be good on giving out activities and let the board be alive. These users just deserve what they trully deserve.
Like what I've been doing recently, my whole focus on being a Source is for my Local, also already helped a lot to make their accounts ranked up. For me Merits are now an award. Therefore, I give awards to users as long as they do something good.

P. S. I did lower my standards a bit (maybe not but for me I actually did it) but I don't consider giving on repeated topics. So recently, there are still a few on my inventory to spend compared before.

My point:
There's nothing wrong on helping users to rank up.
You post something new (depends)?
You post something that can help(depends)?
You post something very informative(depends)?
Then yes, you'll be rewarded(depends).

Note: Depends whether it has been given or on a repeated topic.




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I’ve no doubt that local boards are an potentially an important point of contact with Bitcoin for many users, and as such, constitute an element to enhance, rather than penalize by excluding them from taking part in the Merit System. Whether we like it or not, ranks are an incentive to most as a lateral aspect of the forum, and people on Local Boards should not be deprived from that in any way.

Instead of generalizing on what may be happening on (some) Local Boards, it would be much more enlightening to bring some concrete cases to the table in any case, and not to generalize over some kind of grudge over what your personal experience may be. You do mention a specific case as an example, but that is of a concrete single account, thus taking the part for the whole, and extrapolating that case as reason enough to rant about local boards on the whole.

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Instead of generalizing on what may be happening on (some) Local Boards, it would be much more enlightening to bring some concrete cases to the table in any case, and not to generalize over some kind of grudge over what your personal experience may be....
Just giving some highlights.
This is more accurate IMO, so everybody can get a stare on it for a while and maybe your concern might get a solution (Just maybe, if its really reasonable and necessary)




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In giving merits we have different criteria and this is subjective if you want the content of that post give them merit because they deserve, If you see those content which is useful and helpful to the members and deserve merit why not give it to them, those are the people giving their time to share information and knowledge to the other people who want to learn and earn more knowledge, it is not bad that you help them to improve it is a good exchange too if you give chance or hope because you give merit they feel appreciated because someone merits their contents.

On local board vs other board, some of the users are active on local board some of them are not, the reason why? Language barrier and criticism, some of them just only post on their local because they are not good in English and at the same time they are afraid to share their thoughts because of the criticism they possible received, some of them are active on other boards because they want to share their contents on those boards which some of the members appropriated too.

In fact, local boards are good for help to beginners because they are confident to use their language they can easily understand the concept which is a good thing.

If you that member has good quality content why not give them what they deserve.


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