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June 29, 2020, 11:36:51 AM
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I greet you most sincerely.
Task 2 of 4:

Public Key: f74kSSFLWcz8qahPw2c6wEaaGBhacFgaP8zaADyk8BU=

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Good, that verified nicely, though you swapped signature lines such that the last signature actually corresponds with the second to last hash. The reason why that doesn't need to be corrected is that a digital signature itself is considered bound to whatever statement is verified by it. It is the duty of the signor on the Public Settlement Network (PSN) to check all hash codes to make sure they match the text lest they accidentally sign away their soul. So the moral of the story is to sign a hash carefully on the Public Settlement Network!
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June 29, 2020, 12:02:49 PM
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OP, You have a thing going on here. From what i understand, this is an idea of using a web of trust to verify transactions. Consensus to be arrived at by building and utilizing a web of trust. Its like an online version of a bunch of clerks maintaining the ledger in banks in old times.

I doubt its usage for settling transactions but the idea itself is worth exploring as it has potentially several applications in the times of Social media. I would follow this. I have a small but important request for you to kindly consider.

If its a "web of trust" we are looking at, please keep a condition that people who have used alt-accounts for spamming and have negative trust feedback should not be accepted. The condition for "minimum 8 posts" is pretty weak, especially considering that you have an ages old account at the forum. If this isn't a bought account, you must be aware of the mass manipulation and scamming this forum has gone through. If you are looking to start a web of trust, wouldn't it be prudent to have some sort of best practices??

Good Luck!
The Web of Trust is expected to be established on Zeronet (ZNET), which is basically a layer over Tor where everyone is encouraged to run anonymous services which could include a Zenoribbon claimchain ledger. Unlike .onion service, a Zeronet Service Cog is intended to be extremely easy to set up for any participant. Each participant is expected to build their own web of trust by ranking who they trust most to least. The overlap of agreement between that person and each other person they interact with on the network is where consensus begins to build. From that point, users are expected to assign a level of honor to the various groups within their network of most trusted people. The group with the highest honor is then delegated as the consensus leader for that participant. The protocols of that group will be accepted as the protocols used. So for Zenoribbon, the minimum time delay between transactions would be an example of the requirements by that group to get a transaction validated.

The Web of Trust is merely a formality. Crypto enthusiasts know that Bitcoin Core is the group setting the Bitcoin protocol. However, who knows their public key? Everyone should have a copy of their public key. We don't have that because we generally don't have a formalized and automated Web of Trust application. Such an application would enable much better security for everyone.
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June 29, 2020, 12:23:29 PM
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 There is need of more peoples ?

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June 29, 2020, 12:28:03 PM
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Good, that verified nicely, though you swapped signature lines such that the last signature actually corresponds with the second to last hash. The reason why that doesn't need to be corrected is that a digital signature itself is considered bound to whatever statement is verified by it. It is the duty of the signor on the Public Settlement Network (PSN) to check all hash codes to make sure they match the text lest they accidentally sign away their soul. So the moral of the story is to sign a hash carefully on the Public Settlement Network!
Oh man, it was in the middle of the night in Germany, I'm sorry.
I hope it did you some help anyway.

What was my mistake again?

Let me know what else I can do for you, please, i look forward to further cooperation!

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June 29, 2020, 01:45:29 PM
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There is need of more peoples ?
We have enough evaluators for the time being. Thanks!
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June 29, 2020, 02:14:26 PM
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I have a good knowledge in this. Like to join
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Hi, you are in as the last evaluator needed for the time being. I'll PM you if there are any tasks for you. $5 USD as BTC is relayed to your Bitcoin address.
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Task 2 of 4 Detailed Instructions:

1. Examine the page at
https://boards.4channel.org/vip/thread/99136#p99161 which has been cc'd to the zenoribbon.freeforums.net claimchain ledger.
It will have this text:
CONTAINERIZATION
CONTAINER
ZR 0 to 1
CONTENT IDENTIFIER: Zenoribbon of Rainbow Road
CONTAINER IDENTIFIER: d9533c95c6a0d03e634b124f90c08c58800d3fb368b7f392ac698c66f140a6f7adf84ab27fa4f36 064f9817f17a1e578ee0d25e5c3fdb2c593a1e3f035c02b60
Hash of Containerization SHA-512: a2041a22eec1a991d91fb71c40f6e88549ca64008f6df59834ad7b32e486221fb3f6db7f53738d6 9bd5d340a12b93cb96debcb819b6034d735acfd2d40d06a7c
Hash Signature: JO+1T3LpvwQRAJ3F0wgx2+5774fO0MewdreycjDLFGAPbJlLI5+9uW4LRFwUKTtQ0YEnP2v/iBC/tqtxK6iVAg==

This is a claim that Zenoribbon is being placed in a container which can be transacted over the Public Settlement Network (PSN), which can only be honored if done by the rightful owner. So, Check to see if there are any other earlier tranfers of Zenoribbon using a basic internet search. If not, the transaction is potentially valid.

2. Verify that the "Hash of Containerization" matches the text beginning "CONTAINERIZATION" and ending "...b60"
Unlike the previous hashes in task 1, this hash is in Base64 encoding and so the TweetNaCl hash won't match. However, the more common version will work.
A good SHA-512 Base64 hash tool can be found here:
https://emn178.github.io/online-tools/sha512.html
In the input box, the hash from above beginning "CONTAINERIZATION" and ending "...b60"
Remove any spaces in the hash because copying and pasting from a browser sometimes adds spaces that ruin the hash.
The output should match the hash as claimed beginning "a204..." for the containerization to be valid. If valid, then you can go to the next step.

3. Verify that the hash signature matches the owner of "Zenoribbon of Rainbow Road" which is indicated by this public key according to your previous evaluation:
Claimant Sharing Key: hqXdZnrTvicitWv4V/LH/9qA3nUMcl5PIbbdgclZ9cY=
A good signature kit can be found at: https://tweetnacl.js.org/#/sign
Click on the verify tab.
Enter the sharing Key as the signature public key.
Enter the Hash signature from above "JO+... Ag==" in the signature line.
Once again, delete any spaces added by your browser.
Enter the "Hash of Containerization" hash as the message. In this case that is the above hash beginning "a204" ending "...a7c"
Click Verify. Hopefully the statement verifies correctly!

4. If everything is valid and there are no conflicting claims found by an internet search, then you can honor the statement using the same signature signing process used in step 1:
Create the evaluation statement as:

Evaluation:
Honor to: 0nP5UpmI3+m9Uk1qf8fMQK3drWwS7p4+sLSZu7iepnFv1rHUJElJqDjQtYJLfWM/jW1e/LwdLn69g1bdLvuyCQ==
Hash of Evaluation Statement: (hash of honor statement above goes here)
Signature: (signature of the hash in the previous line above)
Public Key: (insert your public key here)

a. Hash the text starting with "Evaluation" and ending "...CQ==" using a hash tool such as the linked page above.
b. Sign the hash such as by using https://tweetnacl.js.org/#/sign
You should still have your public and private key from the previous task. If you don't have that key, generate a new one with the "random" button and save both the private and public keys it for future use.
Paste your private key to the private key field.
In the message field, put the line generated from hashing your evaluation statement, which may be this:
8e549d1b367600979314c83a788bf1215223bf6ac8b1d81fe19862e141151928c5e0a20e1a01dfc dc57e7723672825648cd22a8c9adddb7283d80ff951eb3e46
Then click sign.
Paste the resulting signature in place of "(signature of the hash in the previous line above)" in your evaluation statement.
c. Paste your public key in place of "(insert your public key here)" in your evaluation statement.

5. Post your evaluation statement to this thread. Done! As always, don't be afraid to loosely interpret these instructions and do things according to your personal preferences.
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June 29, 2020, 07:18:21 PM
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Task 2 of 4 Detailed Instructions:

1. Examine the page at
https://boards.4channel.org/vip/thread/99136#p99161 which has been cc'd to the zenoribbon.freeforums.net claimchain ledger.
It will have this text:
CONTAINERIZATION
CONTAINER
ZR 0 to 1
CONTENT IDENTIFIER: Zenoribbon of Rainbow Road
CONTAINER IDENTIFIER: d9533c95c6a0d03e634b124f90c08c58800d3fb368b7f392ac698c66f140a6f7adf84ab27fa4f36 064f9817f17a1e578ee0d25e5c3fdb2c593a1e3f035c02b60
Hash of Containerization SHA-512: a2041a22eec1a991d91fb71c40f6e88549ca64008f6df59834ad7b32e486221fb3f6db7f53738d6 9bd5d340a12b93cb96debcb819b6034d735acfd2d40d06a7c
Hash Signature: JO+1T3LpvwQRAJ3F0wgx2+5774fO0MewdreycjDLFGAPbJlLI5+9uW4LRFwUKTtQ0YEnP2v/iBC/tqtxK6iVAg==

This is a claim that Zenoribbon is being placed in a container which can be transacted over the Public Settlement Network (PSN), which can only be honored if done by the rightful owner. So, Check to see if there are any other earlier tranfers of Zenoribbon using a basic internet search. If not, the transaction is potentially valid.

2. Verify that the "Hash of Containerization" matches the text beginning "CONTAINERIZATION" and ending "...b60"
Unlike the previous hashes in task 1, this hash is in Base64 encoding and so the TweetNaCl hash won't match. However, the more common version will work.
A good SHA-512 Base64 hash tool can be found here:
https://emn178.github.io/online-tools/sha512.html
In the input box, the hash from above beginning "CONTAINERIZATION" and ending "...b60"
Remove any spaces in the hash because copying and pasting from a browser sometimes adds spaces that ruin the hash.
The output should match the hash as claimed beginning "a204..." for the containerization to be valid. If valid, then you can go to the next step.

3. Verify that the hash signature matches the owner of "Zenoribbon of Rainbow Road" which is indicated by this public key according to your previous evaluation:
Claimant Sharing Key: hqXdZnrTvicitWv4V/LH/9qA3nUMcl5PIbbdgclZ9cY=
A good signature kit can be found at: https://tweetnacl.js.org/#/sign
Click on the verify tab.
Enter the sharing Key as the signature public key.
Enter the Hash signature from above "JO+... Ag==" in the signature line.
Once again, delete any spaces added by your browser.
Enter the "Hash of Containerization" hash as the message. In this case that is the above hash beginning "a204" ending "...a7c"
Click Verify. Hopefully the statement verifies correctly!

4. If everything is valid and there are no conflicting claims found by an internet search, then you can honor the statement using the same signature signing process used in step 1:
Create the evaluation statement as:

Evaluation:
Honor to: 0nP5UpmI3+m9Uk1qf8fMQK3drWwS7p4+sLSZu7iepnFv1rHUJElJqDjQtYJLfWM/jW1e/LwdLn69g1bdLvuyCQ==
Hash of Evaluation Statement: (hash of honor statement above goes here)
Signature: (signature of the hash in the previous line above)
Public Key: (insert your public key here)

a. Hash the text starting with "Evaluation" and ending "...CQ==" using a hash tool such as the linked page above.
b. Sign the hash such as by using https://tweetnacl.js.org/#/sign
You should still have your public and private key from the previous task. If you don't have that key, generate a new one with the "random" button and save both the private and public keys it for future use.
Paste your private key to the private key field.
In the message field, put the line generated from hashing your evaluation statement, which may be this:
8e549d1b367600979314c83a788bf1215223bf6ac8b1d81fe19862e141151928c5e0a20e1a01dfc dc57e7723672825648cd22a8c9adddb7283d80ff951eb3e46
Then click sign.
Paste the resulting signature in place of "(signature of the hash in the previous line above)" in your evaluation statement.
c. Paste your public key in place of "(insert your public key here)" in your evaluation statement.

5. Post your evaluation statement to this thread. Done! As always, don't be afraid to loosely interpret these instructions and do things according to your personal preferences.


Hi, could you please check if you put a wrong signature, or I misunderstood something here?
I tried to put the signature you're providing (JO+1T3LpvwQRAJ3F0wgx2+5774fO0MewdreycjDLFGAPbJlLI5+9uW4LRFwUKTtQ0YEnP2v/iBC/tqtxK6iVAg==
), but it failed the verification.
So I went to the original post to check again, and I cannot the signature in the post.
I put the signature in the post(0nP5UpmI3+m9Uk1qf8fMQK3drWwS7p4+sLSZu7iepnFv1rHUJElJqDjQtYJLfWM/jW1e/LwdLn69g1bdLvuyCQ==) instead, and it works.
Please see below -



Please let me know if I'm doing anything wrong, thanks!
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Last edit: June 29, 2020, 07:38:17 PM by SiNeReiNZzz
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Anyways, please let me know I'm doing it correctly -


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Hash of Evaluation Statement: 8e549d1b367600979314c83a788bf1215223bf6ac8b1d81fe19862e141151928c5e0a20e1a01dfc dc57e7723672825648cd22a8c9adddb7283d80ff951eb3e46
Signature: KDSO1U8PsyxNvAV94iWqOPpbvVsGpxTFF6kiRC3u4Y7Zbb8507DMKDX3UOKH/jUjM4OI2iVDbYVefmOWQ3oWBw==
Public Key: 372Nwk1C2Dl10LV9cMS91D4deoksw0xKLDCXjU6heNs=


P.S. I forgot to save my private key so I generated a new one.
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Last edit: June 30, 2020, 01:38:58 PM by SiNeReiNZzz
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Task 2 of 4 Detailed Instructions:
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Nothing works with the public key you have transmitted! But this signature you have posted belongs to MY public key from my contribution in the last night!

I did exactly what you described, I think!
Evaluation:
Honor to: 0nP5UpmI3+m9Uk1qf8fMQK3drWwS7p4+sLSZu7iepnFv1rHUJElJqDjQtYJLfWM/jW1e/LwdLn69g1bdLvuyCQ==
Hash of Evaluation Statement: 8e549d1b367600979314c83a788bf1215223bf6ac8b1d81fe19862e141151928c5e0a20e1a01dfc dc57e7723672825648cd22a8c9adddb7283d80ff951eb3e46
Signature: o8aYBduwhDPPss3IdVLeGqPreJQq7Vyoxwx+8zgMxi9WtgBMEkjp8oZmTAWYcBhjWc7tLYNu9djZlQSfHvEbBw==
Public Key: f74kSSFLWcz8qahPw2c6wEaaGBhacFgaP8zaADyk8BU=


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June 30, 2020, 11:45:24 AM
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Task 2 Correction:
The text as copied and pasted from the first link provided is actually:
CONTAINERIZATION
CONTAINER
ZR 0 to 1
CONTENT IDENTIFIER: Zenoribbon of Rainbow Road
CONTAINER IDENTIFIER: d9533c95c6a0d03e634b124f90c08c58800d3fb368b7f392ac698c66f140a6f7adf84ab27fa4f36 064f9817f17a1e578ee0d25e5c3fdb2c593a1e3f035c02b60
Hash of Containerization Text Above: SHA-512 Base64: a2041a22eec1a991d91fb71c40f6e88549ca64008f6df59834ad7b32e486221fb3f6db7f53738d6 9bd5d340a12b93cb96debcb819b6034d735acfd2d40d06a7c
Hash Signature and Transaction Identifier: Ed25519 TweetNaCl:
0nP5UpmI3+m9Uk1qf8fMQK3drWwS7p4+sLSZu7iepnFv1rHUJElJqDjQtYJLfWM/jW1e/LwdLn69g1bdLvuyCQ==

I copied and pasted from the wrong source! So, in any case, the signature would match in your evaluations. This is part of the reason why I'm doing this... to see just how hard it is to do the claims and evaluate manually. Not that easy to do correctly at least when your new at evaluating apparently. But we'll design tools to make it easier for a manual verification before we design the automated tool.
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June 30, 2020, 12:02:15 PM
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Anyways, please let me know I'm doing it correctly -


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Hash of Evaluation Statement: 8e549d1b367600979314c83a788bf1215223bf6ac8b1d81fe19862e141151928c5e0a20e1a01dfc dc57e7723672825648cd22a8c9adddb7283d80ff951eb3e46
Signature: KDSO1U8PsyxNvAV94iWqOPpbvVsGpxTFF6kiRC3u4Y7Zbb8507DMKDX3UOKH/jUjM4OI2iVDbYVefmOWQ3oWBw==
Public Key: 372Nwk1C2Dl10LV9cMS91D4deoksw0xKLDCXjU6heNs=


P.S. I forgot to save my private key so I generated a new one.
Thanks, this did verify, though it added a space to the hash as usual making it difficult to verify. I'd recommend saving your public key as that key  being an early evaluator is street cred for when the evaluation service is released.
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June 30, 2020, 12:22:38 PM
 #76

Anyways, please let me know I'm doing it correctly -


Honor to: 0nP5UpmI3+m9Uk1qf8fMQK3drWwS7p4+sLSZu7iepnFv1rHUJElJqDjQtYJLfWM/jW1e/LwdLn69g1bdLvuyCQ==
Hash of Evaluation Statement: 8e549d1b367600979314c83a788bf1215223bf6ac8b1d81fe19862e141151928c5e0a20e1a01dfc dc57e7723672825648cd22a8c9adddb7283d80ff951eb3e46
Signature: KDSO1U8PsyxNvAV94iWqOPpbvVsGpxTFF6kiRC3u4Y7Zbb8507DMKDX3UOKH/jUjM4OI2iVDbYVefmOWQ3oWBw==
Public Key: 372Nwk1C2Dl10LV9cMS91D4deoksw0xKLDCXjU6heNs=


P.S. I forgot to save my private key so I generated a new one.
Thanks, this did verify, though it added a space to the hash as usual making it difficult to verify. I'd recommend saving your public key as that key  being an early evaluator is street cred for when the evaluation service is released.

Thank you, do I need to fix it? Or it's fine for now?
Please let me know if there's anything else I can help with.
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June 30, 2020, 12:27:57 PM
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Task 2 Correction:
The text as copied and pasted from the first link provided is actually:
CONTAINERIZATION
CONTAINER
ZR 0 to 1
CONTENT IDENTIFIER: Zenoribbon of Rainbow Road
CONTAINER IDENTIFIER: d9533c95c6a0d03e634b124f90c08c58800d3fb368b7f392ac698c66f140a6f7adf84ab27fa4f36 064f9817f17a1e578ee0d25e5c3fdb2c593a1e3f035c02b60
Hash of Containerization Text Above: SHA-512 Base64: a2041a22eec1a991d91fb71c40f6e88549ca64008f6df59834ad7b32e486221fb3f6db7f53738d6 9bd5d340a12b93cb96debcb819b6034d735acfd2d40d06a7c
Hash Signature and Transaction Identifier: Ed25519 TweetNaCl:
0nP5UpmI3+m9Uk1qf8fMQK3drWwS7p4+sLSZu7iepnFv1rHUJElJqDjQtYJLfWM/jW1e/LwdLn69g1bdLvuyCQ==

I copied and pasted from the wrong source! So, in any case, the signature would match in your evaluations. This is part of the reason why I'm doing this... to see just how hard it is to do the claims and evaluate manually. Not that easy to do correctly at least when your new at evaluating apparently. But we'll design tools to make it easier for a manual verification before we design the automated tool.

Should I verify this again with the new data?

It'll only take ~3 hours, I'm just at my work now!

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June 30, 2020, 12:32:54 PM
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Task 2 of 4 Detailed Instructions:
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Nothing works with the public key you have transmitted! But this signature you have posted belongs to MY public key from my contribution in the last night!

I did exactly what you described, I think!
Evaluation:
Honor to: 0nP5UpmI3+m9Uk1qf8fMQK3drWwS7p4+sLSZu7iepnFv1rHUJElJqDjQtYJLfWM/jW1e/LwdLn69g1bdLvuyCQ==
Hash of Evaluation Statement: 8e549d1b367600979314c83a788bf1215223bf6ac8b1d81fe19862e141151928c5e0a20e1a01dfc dc57e7723672825648cd22a8c9adddb7283d80ff951eb3e46
Signature: o8aYBduwhDPPss3IdVLeGqPreJQq7Vyoxwx+8zgMxi9WtgBMEkjp8oZmTAWYcBhjWc7tLYNu9djZlQSfHvEbBw==
Public Key: f74kSSFLWcz8qahPw2c6wEaaGBhacFgaP8zaADyk8BU=


Task 2 Complete, thanks for your time! So, everything is done for now on your end and will be paid. Tasks 3 and 4 and canceled but everyone will be paid as if they were done. While Zenoribbon now technically exists by the homestead claim, which was published as a retrocast message, and there was technically a transaction (the containerization), we don't plan more transactions until we design an EASY way to transact it manually. Manual transactions are supposed to be easy, but are not. So, we will design a better signature verification system. It will be nearly identical to the TweetNaCl page, but with warnings and instructions. Its up to feathertone, who puts together the security kit. feathertone already has a great RSA signature app but it the key lengths are unacceptable and so we'll get a Wireguard type kit, which is basically the TweetNaCl kit but slightly easier to use. RSA is still common but think about what this thread would look like using RSA!
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If I may ask, what is your next step?
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June 30, 2020, 12:47:49 PM
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Anyways, please let me know I'm doing it correctly -


Honor to: 0nP5UpmI3+m9Uk1qf8fMQK3drWwS7p4+sLSZu7iepnFv1rHUJElJqDjQtYJLfWM/jW1e/LwdLn69g1bdLvuyCQ==
Hash of Evaluation Statement: 8e549d1b367600979314c83a788bf1215223bf6ac8b1d81fe19862e141151928c5e0a20e1a01dfc dc57e7723672825648cd22a8c9adddb7283d80ff951eb3e46
Signature: KDSO1U8PsyxNvAV94iWqOPpbvVsGpxTFF6kiRC3u4Y7Zbb8507DMKDX3UOKH/jUjM4OI2iVDbYVefmOWQ3oWBw==
Public Key: 372Nwk1C2Dl10LV9cMS91D4deoksw0xKLDCXjU6heNs=


P.S. I forgot to save my private key so I generated a new one.
Thanks, this did verify, though it added a space to the hash as usual making it difficult to verify. I'd recommend saving your public key as that key  being an early evaluator is street cred for when the evaluation service is released.

Thank you, do I need to fix it? Or it's fine for now?
Please let me know if there's anything else I can help with.
Well there is nothing broken with your message. Its just that any long hash copied and pasted from this forum seems to have space added when pasting the text. Tasks 3 and 4 are canceled as described above in my response to sinereinzz so you're now done with all tasks, thank you for your time! Optionally you can let me know if you understand the concept behind retrocast messaging transactions. I will relay payment within 24 hours.
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