Scammer/Impersonator hip3r/bizoxi/elmanchez

[Coin_trader]

My point is not only that he wants to use his "bro" which as we can see he is not even close to his "bro" but the way that the guy lied and manipulated.
In first place he invites friend of him to be escrow, and then telling that he have done previous deals with that newbie.
After that, if you see the screenshots the newbie confirm that he never had deals with this person, and Wolf come in this topic saying he only had chat with this guy and they are not "bro's" for sure (from what i get).

Point noted. The way you way you provide screenshot of evidence is a bit not easy to understand your point. You should put the whole conversation and just censored the words you didn't want to show.
Based on this statement

After that, if you see the screenshots the newbie confirm that he never had deals with this person,

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I agree that this transaction is a bit fishy at all. Because if they are partner it means that they trust each other and means they have previous deals before or else they know each other personally. I will be watching your thread for future development.

Dealing in the forum and outside the forum is just the same if you deal with someone honest and not a scammer.
Scam reports are not moderated and even if you get scammed in forum with proofs or outside forum with proofs it is the same.
It is absurd to communicate and try to deal with newbie in the forum because of the restrictions for private messages per day/hour and so.
Everyone around using Telegram and that's not secret or something bad.
We all do need faster communication.
I am not sure why everyone around think that dealing inside the forum via private messages is more safe than dealing with the same person outside forum (telegram,skype,messanger or any chat program).

As you can see, no one cares about failed scam attempts from green trusted member, no matter is it off or on-site.
Those failed attempts are obvious.. Or i should wait him to scam me before i post this ?

You can arrange the transaction on telegram first which I always do too and finished it inside the forum. Just make sure that both sides agreed to the terms you setup so that only the escrow will act upon inside the forum to closed the deal. In that way, there's no risk that impersonators will scam both of you.

It's a good call for you to decline the deal if you feel really uncomfortable about it. I'm not telling that they are scammer but it's the right choice if you have doubt.

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[Boombl4]

I am not sure why everyone around think that dealing inside the forum via private messages is more safe than dealing with the same person outside forum (telegram,skype,messanger or any chat program).

Becuse here their are records of proof of the conversation that your trading partner cannot delete or tamper with here on Bitcointalk.. On telegram either person can delete all of their messages at any time from both partie's chat screens..
Bitcointalk forum records are very highly trusted, provable, and automatically archived.. Telegram is not..


If you think telegram is just as good of a place to do business then why aren't you taking this to the telegram scam accusations board but instead are bringing it here?

If it didn't happen here often times their isn't much that can be done about it here..
Scammers can get away with a lot more on telegram than here.. That's why it's packed full of scammers and people get scammed there all the time and nothing can be done about it..

Personally as someone with brain, if i see the things going wrong by anyway, i take my time to screenshot the entire conversation before it continues to go more weird and nonsense.
Everyone  making large to big deals should have that in mind.
Actually when you delete your private messages, i am not pretty sure they are recorded anywhere... And if they are after being deleted, that's scary.
There is no difference on private message "security" and telegram "security" because in both ways, the scammers can get away with the same it depends on their skills.
We share different opinions which is normal.
You can't point "Telegram", "Messanger" or any app for communication as den of scammers.
There is tons of reports daily here in the forum and we do not call it that way either.
Scammers are everywhere and not  a private message, telegram chat or meeting can save you from them.

[eddie13]

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Actually when you delete your private messages, i am not pretty sure they are recorded anywhere... And if they are after being deleted, that's scary.

1. Your screenshots from telegram could be completely fake..

2. Bitcointalk PMs do not get deleted on both ends like telegram.. Bitcointalk PMs can also be verified by mods or another trusted user.. On telegram you can make any name you want and fake an entire conversation.. Not here..

[Boombl4]

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Actually when you delete your private messages, i am not pretty sure they are recorded anywhere... And if they are after being deleted, that's scary.

1. Your screenshots from telegram could be completely fake..

2. Bitcointalk PMs do not get deleted on both ends like telegram.. Bitcointalk PMs can also be verified by mods or another trusted user.. On telegram you can make any name you want and fake an entire conversation.. Not here..

So you trying to tell me that screenshots from telegram could be fake, but screenshots from PMs cannot be fake ?
I mean if you delete your PM's or the scammer deletes it, mod can verify it ?
What fake conversations what names dude ? We are talking about proven failed scammers here, how does your conspiracy theory is connected with the scam report ?

[bob123]

So you trying to tell me that screenshots from telegram could be fake, but screenshots from PMs cannot be fake ?

Screenshots can always be faked.

I mean if you delete your PM's or the scammer deletes it, mod can verify it ?

If person A sends person B a private message and deletes it afterwards, the message still remains in the inbox of the recipient (just like with emails).
When you report a PM to a moderator, he will see its content.

So, yes. A moderator can verify PM's.

[Boombl4]

So you trying to tell me that screenshots from telegram could be fake, but screenshots from PMs cannot be fake ?

Screenshots can always be faked.

I mean if you delete your PM's or the scammer deletes it, mod can verify it ?

If person A sends person B a private message and deletes it afterwards, the message still remains in the inbox of the recipient (just like with emails).
When you report a PM to a moderator, he will see its content.

So, yes. A moderator can verify PM's.

Awesome, now lets not talk about what butterfly's can and cannot do and lets clean our place from people like those from the topic...

[eddie13]

Can hardly feel sorry for someone who refuses to listen to advice about the dangers of doing business on telegram..
Go on ahead and get scammed again..


For all I know you are both/all parties trying to scam elmanchez out of a guilt trip refund..

[Boombl4]

Can hardly feel sorry for someone who refuses to listen to advice about the dangers of doing business on telegram..
Go on ahead and get scammed again..


For all I know you are both/all parties trying to scam elmanchez out of a guilt trip refund..

I didn't do that post someone to feel sorry about me.
I did this post to warm the community about those scammers and give them information what they are doing.
We both know that scam section is not moderated and no one actually care about anyone loss but at least there is tags from DT members to warn other people.
If you feel that those scammers are welcome to run around doing whatever they want, feel free to not tag them
Yeah, all those proofs above clearly show how we all trying to scam elmanchez *sarcasm*

[hip3r]

Hello. I apologize for my English writing through google translate. Yesterday evening, the circus performed by Boombl4 ended. In order to put everything in order, time is needed. Another point, I don’t know English and it will take some time to find a translator and translation too. I decided to post a light version. These are screenshots with a few explanations.

Friday June 26th, evening with me. Boombl4 knocked on my telegram, I wrote him a private message on the forum. Moderators can check.
http://prnt.sc/t8s84c

June 27, I have the night. Yes, I was not mistaken.) After accusing me of fraud and scribble on the forum, Boombl4 is still negotiating an exchange with me. Boombl4 sent an email to escrow (monbux) and gave it my email. I do not mind because I have no doubt in deceiving Boombl4 and want to sleep.
http://prnt.sc/t8s9ea

June 28, morning with me. I receive a letter from escrow. Thanks Google. Your mail is the best.
http://prnt.sc/t8s9xq
http://prnt.sc/t8safr

June 28, day after evening with me. As they say "No comment"
http://prnt.sc/t8scmj
http://prnt.sc/t8scw9
http://prnt.sc/t8sd39
http://prnt.sc/t8sdda
http://prnt.sc/t8sdkw
http://prnt.sc/t8sdvp
http://prnt.sc/t8sepg
http://prnt.sc/t8sfer

I repeat this light version will be full later.

And two more points
1. I am ready for three users, whose reputation no one doubts, to provide screenshots of some of their transactions in recent times.

2. I live in Minsk. Perhaps on this forum there are people with a reputation from my city or country. Maybe someone happens in Minsk. I am ready to meet in person and show that I am really engaged in an exchange.

Boombl4 can you do the same !???

[Boombl4]

Hello. I apologize for my English writing through google translate. Yesterday evening, the circus performed by Boombl4 ended. In order to put everything in order, time is needed. Another point, I don’t know English and it will take some time to find a translator and translation too. I decided to post a light version. These are screenshots with a few explanations.

Friday June 26th, evening with me. Boombl4 knocked on my telegram, I wrote him a private message on the forum. Moderators can check.


June 27, I have the night. Yes, I was not mistaken.) After accusing me of fraud and scribble on the forum, Boombl4 is still negotiating an exchange with me. Boombl4 sent an email to escrow (monbux) and gave it my email. I do not mind because I have no doubt in deceiving Boombl4 and want to sleep.


June 28, morning with me. I receive a letter from escrow. Thanks Google. Your mail is the best.



June 28, day after evening with me. As they say "No comment"









I repeat this light version will be full later.

And two more points
1. I am ready for three users, whose reputation no one doubts, to provide screenshots of some of their transactions in recent times.

2. I live in Minsk. Perhaps on this forum there are people with a reputation from my city or country. Maybe someone happens in Minsk. I am ready to meet in person and show that I am really engaged in an exchange.

Boombl4 can you do the same !???

Sure, firstly, not sure which is the person you are talking last few days, but you were blocked by me back in 26th.
If that's some some 11iq attempt from elmanchez to save his name after the scam attempts, could you please show us where and how this exact telegram chat after 26th is mine?
Please, share with us Private message from me confirming you are talking with me on telegram after 26th or anywhere (not in telegram) this is connected with me.
Yes, i had conversation with you till 26th, after you tried to scam me with your russian gaylord friend, both of you were blocked.
Can't wait for your answer, i swear i won't eat all my pop corns before that.

Quick edit: Could you please tell us also why you edit your telegram name from your topic right after the failed scam attempt with your russian girlfriend ?

[bob123]

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The first thing i'd like to know is whether the signature is valid.

Monbux was last active May 14, 2020, 01:41:32 PM.

I doubt this mail is from him.
Could you please forward this email to alice.bob123@web.de ? I want to check the mail header (whether the address is spoofed) and the PGP signature.

[hacker1001101001]

June 28, morning with me. I receive a letter from escrow. Thanks Google. Your mail is the best.
http://prnt.sc/t8s9xq
http://prnt.sc/t8safr

There are already such impersonating and scamming attempts reported under Monbux's identity, with similar fake emails.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110916.0

The telegram users from above screenshots was surely not monbux.

[LoyceV]

Private messages:
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https://prnt.sc/t7f0k0

The PM embedded:


If this PM is real, the following post (2 days earlier) is not (or no longer) true:

im not using telegram

(archived)

Note: In general, I don't trust screenshots, and I'm ignoring the Telegram screenshots because anyone can say they're someone else on there.
As I said in another topic: by using Telegram, you make it very easy for scammers and very difficult for anyone to ever find out who's trying to cheat. Most of this stuff can be discussed in a public topic on the Currency exchange board.
The "evidence" in this topic is terrible to review. It's a mess! Now compare that to http://loyce.club/archive/details/topic_5252054.html and please just keep deals in the open when possible!

The impersonator offered to use his friend as "escrow".

Apart from who's trying to impersonate who, I don't think DireWolfM14 gets any blame here. He's not even the one calling someone their "friend".

I don't know what's going on here, or why I'm being dragged into this, but no one contacted me for escrow.  If elmanchez had contacted me for escrow for a currency exchange, I would have happily obliged.  Yeah, I said I like him, and I still do, so why wouldn't I help him trade safely?

He gets entangled in an extraordinary number of shady deals though. That's either very bad luck or perhaps some actual correlation.

I've seen him do quite a lot of deals, which increases the chance of hitting a scammer.

This thread, together with the other thread is more than just suspicious.

After reading the first 30 posts in this topic (while ignoring Telegram screenshots), I still haven't seen any convincing evidence.

Regarding the linked thread.. i mean come on.. Who receives a message saying "please send a message containing address X to account Y" and does exactly that.

The other thread was indeed more convincing. It was dumb to PM someone else's addy, but I can imagine how a naive person trying to be fast does something like that.

I mean, alright. Benefit of the doubt.
But together with this here, i tend to believe it indeed was just a reinsurance for himself instead of just stupid behavior.

I'm not convinced yet. I am quite convinced though that Boombl4 is out for blood, with or without valid reason.

I believe there is nothing wrong with telegram because 99% of people using it here for fast communication.

Telegram is a scammer's paradise because it allows to delete the other user's conversation, you can change your nickname, and I've seen people get tricked by hiding the nickname and using someone else's nickname as "bio". Telegram is great if you know who you're dealing with, but anyone can claim they own a certain Bitcointalk account. If someone for instance claims he's me, it's pretty likely it's someone else.

If you think telegram is just as good of a place to do business then why aren't you taking this to the telegram scam accusations board but instead are bringing it here?

That's a very good point, and it would solve the problem of very large and unclear accusation threads on Bitcointalk.

Can hardly feel sorry for someone who refuses to listen to advice about the dangers of doing business on telegram..
Go on ahead and get scammed again..

For all I know you are both/all parties trying to scam elmanchez out of a guilt trip refund..

Another good point! Since he said he would refund this user (even though it hasn't happened yet), he might have painted mark on his account for other scammers to target.
All this is of course speculation. But I agree with you: I can hardly feel sorry for someone who ignores and even denies the many scams on Telegram.

I did this post to warm the community about those scammers and give them information what they are doing.

The main warning should be: don't use Telegram for users you don't know!

[bob123]

After reading the first 30 posts in this topic (while ignoring Telegram screenshots), I still haven't seen any convincing evidence.

Since the whole conversation took place on telegram, it is quite hard to find evidence without looking at the chat log.
But elmanchez himself confirmed, that this was his account:

~snip~
@elmanchez, did you contact the OP on Telegram, and are you Telegram user @hookgo?

Right!

Regarding the linked thread.. i mean come on.. Who receives a message saying "please send a message containing address X to account Y" and does exactly that.

The other thread was indeed more convincing. It was dumb to PM someone else's addy, but I can imagine how a naive person trying to be fast does something like that.

IMO it is more than just suspicious, that

• He was involved in the linked scam by sending an address he does not possess to some random person
• He suggested hip3r to register on this forum to have another channel for his (hip3r's) business. They allegedly met on another crypto forum. But afterwards hip3r refers OP to elmanchez. This doesn't make sense
• He lied about previous deals with hip3r by claiming they already made deals. hip3r on the other hand was denying that.
• He contacted Lucius via PM and asked him whether he wants to trade PP for BTC, without them both ever having deal nor Lucius asking for such a deal somewhere

While there is no evidence that he intentionally scammed the other person in the linked thread, and no evidence that he indeed tried to scam OP, the are enough signs to assume that he indeed actively tries to scam others.
The same applies to all these new ponzis. There is no concrete evidence, that they are not paying 100% daily. But there are enough signs to believe that this is a scam.

If there were some unassailable evidence, both a type #1 and type #3 flag would be appropriate. However, i agree with you that this is not the case here.

The main warning should be: don't use Telegram for users you don't know!

I'd even go farther and would say to not use telegram at all.
Deleting message from the other parties chatlog is retarded.

There are better messengers available.
Either Signal (which uses old ID's in from of a mobile number), that's probably not what people want to use on the internet or Threema (which costs a few bucks), which people are not ready to pay because they are extremely cheap and don't want to spend 2-3$ for a secure communication application.

[hip3r]

bob123, of course I can send you a letter. There is no doubt that it is not real. Even if I assume that this is real monbux and he convicted me of fraud, I am sure that he will not go to the bits.media forum and bitalk.org to write in my topics that I am a scammer. And the call to write in this thread will be ignored.
http://prnt.sc/t98qa2
http://prnt.sc/t98qwp
http://prnt.sc/t98r8u
http://prnt.sc/t98rjl
http://prnt.sc/t98s33

In this screenshot, from my point of view, Vise Sentos confirms that it is Boombl4
http://prnt.sc/t98u2i

Let's look at the situation in general in terms of logic and common sense. We started negotiations with BooMbl4, agreed on escrow services. Boombl4 suggested monbux and began to explain in general how escrow works. I was alerted by the fact that the transaction should take place in @telegram. Having difficulties with English, I invited a third person to the negotiations. After talking with him, Boombl4 accused me (us) of fraud. Boombl4 immediately added me to the block. Up to this point, everything is more or less clear. The question is what happened next? The fact that I talked with someone I think is beyond doubt. Boombl4 says that it was not him. Let's say. So it was a different person. The question is, how did he get into our chat with Boombl4? Or is this a new chat? If this is an old chat, am I blocked? Maybe this is a new chat? I’m unlikely to be an idiot. Well, let’s omit all these questions and suppose I communicate with a new person. By the end of the day, my negotiations with the new man again come to escrow monbux and the @telegram deal. Deja vu? I don’t think so. It seems to me that the version with a new person has a lot of questions, but if instead of a new person to leave Boombl4 all the questions disappear.

[Boombl4]

Finally hip3r and elmanchez will get what they deserve

In this screenshot, from my point of view, Vise Sentos confirms that it is BooMbl4

"Mhm", by the same logic you were talking with me after 26th right And the real monbux were sending you emails right :D:D
You fucking scammers will never ever learn...
Anyway, next time when Barack Obama message you in telegram, redirect him i have few questions...
Since when random people over telegram saying they are someone means anything?

[hip3r]

Finally hip3r and elmanchez will get what they deserve

You will not decide.

You told me fairy tales what top exchange you are. So show at least one screenshot or proof of at least one transaction. Show profiles in other forums. As far as I understand, you are not against sharing in @telegram, so why is Boombl4 nickname on the forum and Vise Sentos in @telegram. This can confuse and scare your customers. You exchange wmz, show me your webmoney wallet. I want to see at least something.
Personally, I have a lot of questions for your exchanger activity.

Even your nickname belongs to a public person.
http://prnt.sc/t9krlw

[Boombl4]

Finally hip3r and elmanchez will get what they deserve

You will not decide.

You told me fairy tales what top exchange you are. So show at least one screenshot or proof of at least one transaction. Show profiles in other forums. As far as I understand, you are not against sharing in @telegram, so why is Boombl4 nickname on the forum and Vise Sentos in @telegram. This can confuse and scare your customers. You exchange wmz, show me your webmoney wallet. I want to see at least something.
Personally, I have a lot of questions for your exchanger activity.

Even your nickname belongs to a public person.

In the free time, i am also: Batman and Rambo (Depends on the mood).
Could you prove your words? Please, show us proof about your statements same as i did.
Oh sorry you can't

[DireWolfM14]

In this screenshot, from my point of view, Vise Sentos confirms that it is Boombl4
http://prnt.sc/t98u2i

In the free time, i am also: Batman and Rambo (Depends on the mood).

@Boombl4, two questions:
1. Is "Vise Sentos" your Telegram user ID?
2. Did you suggest using monbux as your escrow provider?

[Boombl4]

In this screenshot, from my point of view, Vise Sentos confirms that it is Boombl4
http://prnt.sc/t98u2i

In the free time, i am also: Batman and Rambo (Depends on the mood).

@Boombl4, two questions:
1. Is "Vise Sentos" your Telegram user ID?
2. Did you suggest using monbux as your escrow provider?

1. It is not my telegram
2. I suggested the user to choose anyone from the list.
3. As i already stated above, the user were blocked.
4. I can create two telegrams and use any name to create semi/same conversation between two people to make it look like i were talking to the right person.

*Now i understand why people suggest to not deal in telegram.
I were thinking the scammers are stupid, but seems like consider they are few in that scheme, few heads can make the scheme better than only elmanchez.