Bounty managers can do better

[isaac_clarke22]

So you're like blaming BMs here in the forum?
I don't think that BMs are the only ones that should do these.
Remember that their responsibility "manage" the bounties, and not eliminating scams, therefore reducing scam project is upon everyone's will and hardwork, so count yourself as well as someone who should be part of "limit the scams" as you can't stop them anyway.

It's like saying outside the crypto space that your local authorities should be  primarily responsible in finding people with bad intents instead of handling their city.

[Tervelatuk]

When you worked as a bounty manager, have you tried to ask the team to transfer bounty pool to you or some other trusted third party ?
This might work as a part of bounty hunters protection from doing promotion work for nothing.

I can divide bounty campaign scam project into 3 caterogies:

1) do not distribute bounty reward at all
2) distribute, but perform exit scam or make excuses for not listing, abandon project
3) distribute, got listed, but dumped projects tokens or coins and evaporate.

If a trusted intermediary holds bounty reward, this my save hunters from "1) do not distribute bounty reward at all".

point number could be bounty managers mistake, they should negotiate about bounty reward before campaign started. maybe using trusted escrow, but only reputable manager that have power to negotiate about escrow. point 2 and 3 totally be developers team fault, they well planned  to exit scam smoothly.

[pawanjain]

I once wished that bounty hunters can come together as one to escape the ruined reputations of bounty hunters and the unfair ways we've been treated but I think this can easily be done not by bounty hunters but by bounty managers

If bounty managers can starts doing screening on new bounty projects scam rate will be limit, for example come face to face with team using video chat and forcing them to do KYC just to confirm they are real, this day many new projects only chat with bounty managers and that's all, I think this is why bounty detective can't figure out that kingcasino scammers are from Nigeria

Please bounty manager make sure the team you doing a job for are real atleast, don't just take a job through chats only

There are two kinds of people. One is in the category where the managers screen the project before taking it up for managing.
As scams have increase a lot quite lately these managers are doing a hard job of researching the projects first before taking the job.
I have seen a few managers who don't take the job if they find it less appealing.

The second are those who don't care if the project is genuine or not and take up the job instantly just because it is paying the manager well.
We can't do anything about it but just stop promoting the projects which are being taken up by those managers.

[so98nn]

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Please bounty manager make sure the team you doing a job for are real atleast, don't just take a job through chats only

The second are those who don't care if the project is genuine or not and take up the job instantly just because it is paying the manager well.
We can't do anything about it but just stop promoting the projects which are being taken up by those managers.

About this, the number of such manager is actually far greater than the professional bounty managers. If you checkout the bounty section then there is one big noticeable thing, "most of the bounties are being ran by newbies and/or the project itself creates a new account", get copper membership to post images and run all by themselves. For bounty participants it has become pain in the back since they do hours of work and at the end project turns out to be scam Or improperly managed.

Over the time it may happen that the bounty solution would be needed and who knows these things might just disappear as people's trust will be reduced dramatically. One thing is clear, we now rarely get good projects, and thus managers are also finding it hard to play around.

[rahmatullah9305]

The idea you gave is indeed very good for minimizing the scam rate on the bounty

However do you think managers will do it for hunters sake? As a manager they know what to do already and no need to be reminded of.

This looks funny , and it seems you are a little offended, okay minairia3, do you comment in the comments above to the manager? because if asked personally I also don't like this new thing, so what you have to warn is that the OP created the topic, not me who only answered a few reviews of the topic, sorry bro.

[Bitcoinislife09]

I once wished that bounty hunters can come together as one to escape the ruined reputations of bounty hunters and the unfair ways we've been treated but I think this can easily be done not by bounty hunters but by bounty managers

If bounty managers can starts doing screening on new bounty projects scam rate will be limit, for example come face to face with team using video chat and forcing them to do KYC just to confirm they are real, this day many new projects only chat with bounty managers and that's all, I think this is why bounty detective can't figure out that kingcasino scammers are from Nigeria

Please bounty manager make sure the team you doing a job for are real atleast, don't just take a job through chats only

It's not really easy to know if the project could become a scam or not and the bounty manager could not easily know that at all times. Most of the time the bounty managers are also just victims of the scam project so we cannot really blame them if the bounty is don't legit. Sometimes the project is legitimate but it just doesn't really get enough support or funds to continue the project, could be the ICO project will stop if did not get enough investors needed to continue so most of the bounty hunters is not going to be paid for their work.

[yazher]

I've had live video chat with projects that turned out to be a scam in the end. What's your point?
The thing is, many projects start legit, and once they see that it's not going well, they take what's left and run away, basically scamming even their own team members...

This answers your request OP and I think this should be valid since btcltcdigger is one the veteran bounty manager you can find in this community. I have joined some of his bounties last 2018 and some of them didn't turn well as expected. As you can see, they also doing their best to promote the best bounty out there but scammers always find a way to fool these guys, I think every bounty manager in this community has encountered this kind of problem and learned from those experiences.

[iTradeChips]

When I read the title, the first thing that came to my mind is that of the OP trying to reminisce the good old days of profitable bounty hunting in 2016 and 2017 and he tells bounty managers to be more responsible in picking the right bounty so we bounty hunters will earn more. But rather I saw a rant about a bounty that failed and is demanding that bounty managers be more responsible in picking the bounty. Well, don't blame the managers. You will never know when a good thing will turn sour. You just have to move on and make sure to pick the best bounty by your well made research. If you got scammed again, it is still not your fault. Move on until you succeed.

[Raflesia]

I've had live video chat with projects that turned out to be a scam in the end. What's your point?
The thing is, many projects start legit, and once they see that it's not going well, they take what's left and run away, basically scamming even their own team members...

This answers your request OP and I think this should be valid since btcltcdigger is one the veteran bounty manager you can find in this community. I have joined some of his bounties last 2018 and some of them didn't turn well as expected. As you can see, they also doing their best to promote the best bounty out there but scammers always find a way to fool these guys, I think every bounty manager in this community has encountered this kind of problem and learned from those experiences.

So this is difficult to do because basically the team does not do video chat to the manager and what is often done by video chat is when holding an AMA event that is also done by a legitimate project so I think if a project that does not do that must have a way to scamer again at each of those promotions.
Every manager does not guarantee it all, but my manger believes they always filter out projects when they will be managed in promotion by them.

[Questat]

As a bounty participants we should not just fully rely on the campaign manager to find good projects for us, everyone bounty manager has different experience and some have different intention as well, they are willing to manage a project even knowing it's a scam as long as they are paid.

There's a list of reputable bounty campaign managers in the forum, just like Hhampuz and yahoo62278, they are the best for me so I would be willing to join in any project they'll promote. the problem is they have a good price, so for low budget project, they might look for a bounty manager that would accept a lower fee, so that might result to a success.

[poodle63]

You have a point, not bad at all if bounty managers can start knowing project team very well before accepting their offer but don't expect that all bounty managers can do this, it's not really to manage a bounty campaign trust me

That's the responsibility that owned by the managers before they start to take it as their client. The manager must know what was the visions that owned by the team and how good the reputation that owned by the team too.
Im thinking if it's quite difficult and time-consuming but that must be done to prevent the scam projects.

[rodskee]

You have a point, not bad at all if bounty managers can start knowing project team very well before accepting their offer but don't expect that all bounty managers can do this, it's not really to manage a bounty campaign trust me

It's not easy I guess that's your point, and yes it's not but it's an obligation of BM to also know the
team he's working with to make sure that it won't runaway.
If the manager will closely deal with the team behind the project and ask for the portion of the actual
budget for the bounty and let escrow to hold the fund
It will assure all the participants to receive their rewards, the talked between BM and the developing
teams are very important.
Trust always bring investors to support the project, if BM and developers established trust it will make
the participants to work well and advertise or even invest as well.

[YOSHIE]

Please bounty manager make sure the team you doing a job for are real atleast, don't just take a job through chats only

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Chat, live video does not guarantee the company and the team, tell the truth, at the beginning and end of the video is a different story, if the project wants to cheat.

Escrow: the best solution for Bounty campaign managers and participants, Escrow guarantees all parties to determine payment after the campaign is promoted, so, Escrow is safer than video chat.

[BayAngelo]

Several bounties campaigns started on this platform by managers has disappeared. the fact that most projects appear real. that does not denied the fact that anything is possible . project owners can decide to shut down at their own peril if they fill the need to stop. tagging bounty detective for one error does not justify they are rubbish. we all made mistakes. meanwhile we know others that has scammed people here. don't make it a Nigerian thing as if they are the only one with scam activities.

[JoMarrah Iarim Dan]

As a bounty hunter, I think we must also know how to determine if a project is a scam or not. It is not always the manager to blame. I think it is also us bounty hunters because we are not please to join the project and we did not try our best to determine if it is scam or not before joining. It is a must that we know how to determine because we continuously join bounties right after the one we participated is already finish.

[tvplus006]

Each manager must independently verify the campaign, before he agrees to take the responsibility of carrying out a bounty on the forum. This is very important, because if this ICO is found to be a fraud, the manager trust may be colored red. This is due to the fact that it actually promotes scam the forum.

[Kasabus]

You have a point, not bad at all if bounty managers can start knowing project team very well before accepting their offer but don't expect that all bounty managers can do this, it's not really to manage a bounty campaign trust me

It's not easy I guess that's your point, and yes it's not but it's an obligation of BM to also know the
team he's working with to make sure that it won't runaway.
If the manager will closely deal with the team behind the project and ask for the portion of the actual
budget for the bounty and let escrow to hold the fund
It will assure all the participants to receive their rewards, the talked between BM and the developing
teams are very important.
Trust always bring investors to support the project, if BM and developers established trust it will make
the participants to work well and advertise or even invest as well.

You really have a good point. If they can build trust to one another, it's very possible that the project will come out successful and bounty hunters will surely receive their fair shares. I think it's not a guarantee that once you end up joining a campaign with a reputable bounty manager, the project will turn out legit. There are really things that come up uncontrolled even how reputable the bounty manager is.

[irfan_pak10]

I think by doing video chats with the team or meeting them face to face will not ensure success of the project but it can reduces the risk. The rewards of a campaign totally depends on the success of the project that whether the team behind the project achieved their target investment or the coins listed on exchanges? For now, there is a risk for bounty hunters because most of the projects turn out to be scam.

There are many other things managers should consider
- checking the plagiarism of whitepaper
- complete investigation of team behind the project
- web ui
- road map and what they have already achieved.
- weather they are willing to spend from theor pocket if project couldnt do well in ico.

[Fesatmas]

I think by doing video chats with the team or meeting them face to face will not ensure success of the project but it can reduces the risk. The rewards of a campaign totally depends on the success of the project that whether the team behind the project achieved their target investment or the coins listed on exchanges? For now, there is a risk for bounty hunters because most of the projects turn out to be scam.

There are many other things managers should consider
- checking the plagiarism of whitepaper
- complete investigation of team behind the project
- web ui
- road map and what they have already achieved.
- weather they are willing to spend from theor pocket if project couldnt do well in ico.

Surely a manager will do a deeper research into a project and as you mentioned sometimes they always plagiarize white papers to run their projects and ICO sales will not be of much interest if there are still projects that are hard to do raising with ICO.

[Ridwan Fauzi]

Please bounty manager make sure the team you doing a job for are real atleast, don't just take a job through chats only

Seem like you are bounty hunter who just followed the bounty manager, I mean when you join or participate in a bounty program you just see who is the bounty manager, isn't you?

I think that's bad also, being a bounty hunter is not about you just promoting the project in your signature but you must know also what the purpose of your project that you promoting.

You will be blame as well when the project is cought to be scammer because there will be many investor who join the project just because they're see your signature or in your social media. I mean, when you give a suggestion for other people it means you have done what was advised to other people.