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[mindrust]

telegram is such cancer, scammers paradise

[ryzaadit]

I think the other way to know the real "TELEGRAM" account for every trusted member who also using TELEGRAM better to give their ID Telegram Account and not only the username. This could be a good way for every trusted member who gives an option communication outside bitcointalk one of them is Telegram.

Here a few steps to know and checked ID Telegram Account

1. Trusted member need to know his ID Telegram Account.
2. To know your ID just us a bot who provide to reveal information of ID Telegram Account, I recommended everyone can use @userinfobot
3. Just type /start then your account information will be revealed.

4. Trusted member, give his ID Telegram Account on their thread service or other things.
5. The client or other people verified the ID Telegram Account by using @username_to_id_bot just send to the bot a username telegram, so he can make sure communicate with the real person.
6. Then the bot will reveal information other people ID Telegram Account.

Just match it with the ID Telegram Account from the trusted member, every account telegram has their own unique ID Telegram Account.

[Coin_trader]

However, I have never, and never will complete a transaction solely on Telegram.  When I was offering escrow services, all official addresses I provided were posted here, on the forum, either in public or through PM, and always included a signed message.  If all of us bitcointalk.org members would insist on transacting this way and this way only, the Telegram scams would be a thing of the past.  There would be no way for an impostor to fool anyone.

That is my philosophy as well. Unfortunately most people who want to use escrow are newbies and limited in the PM's they can send but I always tell them straight up that I will only leave payment details and the basic information about the deal in bitcointalk PM's. They can respond to it in telegram but I've never posted a btc addy on there for a deal.

At the end of the day, it's quite easy to verify on telegram too... You just have to check that the user is the correct one. This reminds me of when people were getting scammed on steam all the time because someone took the name and avatar of their "friend". A silly scam but way too many people fall for it.

Agreed.

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We don't need to blame telegram for this scam controversy because the bottom line here was we have the responsibility to be vigilant in our own transaction whether the user is a newbie or not because we are all grown up. A legit transaction will always be flawless regardless on where will the deal took place.

I like the idea of @suchmoon that if the scam accusation involves telegram then we should ignore it since its outside the forum so that members here will be responsible on the action they will do.

[NotATether]

We don't need to blame telegram for this scam controversy because the bottom line here was we have the responsibility to be vigilant in our own transaction whether the user is a newbie or not because we are all grown up. A legit transaction will always be flawless regardless on where will the deal took place.

The problem is that every single newbie that trades on telegram and gets scammed on it, comes here because this is BITCOINtalk.org so they all think this is where to file all of their bitcoin related scam accusations. Why can't they just send their report to telegram's @notoscam so they can read it and put a nice fat SCAM label to their username if it's credible?

[suchmoon]

I think there's little to no chance that you'll convince people to stop using Telegram.

Not trying to. But it's pointless to have telegram scam complaints here. The real perps are impossible to identify and we just end up with bogus scam accusations against reputable members due to impersonation or outright fabrication. Scammers lure users to telegram for a reason.

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That's some good info there but I'm quite sure it's beyond the abilities of 90%+ telegram scam victims. Telegram should just have proper immutable IDs visible without using bots, which sounds like yet another potential impersonation vector.

[marlboroza]

I wonder what happened to good old "sign bloody message".

The problem is that every single newbie that trades on telegram and gets scammed on it, comes here because this is BITCOINtalk.org so they all think this is where to file all of their bitcoin related scam accusations. Why can't they just send their report to telegram's @notoscam so they can read it and put a nice fat SCAM label to their username if it's credible?

Probably because they start making deals on bitcointalk and they end up on telegram, so it is somehow connected. Speaking of newbies, isn't there some kind of PM restriction for them, so if they want to make deal "here" they either have to wait for weeks to increase their activity or simple go to telegram.

[eddie13]

I wonder what happened to good old "sign bloody message".

No shit right.. That's what I was thinking..


[!WARNING!] Escrow Impostors on Telegram [!WARNING!]

I wish there was a way to effectively educate newbies about this threat.

Why is their no mention of proving identities in this thread then?
Teach them that they should expect anyone engaging in a position of trust to use their staked identity, period, on TG or on BTCT no matter..  
Telegram account usernames are not any proof of identity, nor are BTCT accounts.. A good escrow should sign every deal with a staked Bitcoin or PGP public key..

Please do not send funds to anyone who provides escrow addresses through Telegram! and does not use a staked escrow address as identity or sign their staked identity..

ftfy
That's better IMO..

Want to teach newbies?
Set a good example and sign your identity for them the first thing when dealing with them on TG just to be professional.. Get them used to this protective formality.. Sign every time you are expected to be the real you..
Every escrow contract or deal should be signed and/or received only to a staked receiving address no matter if on TG or BTCT..

This is the way to protect yourself from stolen identities across all platforms..

Bitcointalk accounts don't mean shit for proof of identity either...
Your staked keys are your identity and any accounts you use on any platform are just sockpuppets of your identity that can be hijacked at any time.. But your keys cannot..



Bitcointalk PMs, posts, and even quoted posts, are not even near the level of proof of agreed contract compared to receiving a signed message signing the terms of the contract, and saving it yourself..

What stops any account from making a deal with you, like taking a loan, and then coming back a week later with "I was hacked, I didn't agree to that!"?
Have their real identity sign the agreement terms, for future proof of their deal acceptance to protect yourself with ultimate proof..
Same with any deal requiring trust from any party.. Terms should be signed..

Initially I had mentioned in my escrow thread that all addresses I provide will be signed with my PGP key

You can also stake escrow receiving addresses..

Example:
1erct98c45wut85cterc90g8fg098
"DWM14 will only ever ask funds to be delivered to one of these 3 escrow recieving addresses
1213423542532453 , 1rtgj89tgj49cgjc48rjgfwf8jrege , 1fjkgn58gj459ojfw5489ji
signature-5atw45cye67 56u yh65ers5 t54etrf
Or signed with PGP..

If you want to get around monotonous repeated formalities, only receiving to staked addresses still basically proves that it is going to be received by the correct identity without having to sign every time, unless you or your customer also want you to sign the specific terms of the contract, then you should, IMO..

I guess people are lazy???

[DaveF]

I think we need a new rule in Scam Accusations: NO TELEGRAM BULLSHIT. If someone scammed you on telegram complain to telegram. It's a waste of time trying to decipher who made up what and there is zero chance to verify shit.

Exactly, this is bitcointalk.org not telegramsupport.com I think this is report 10 billion and something about telegram shit.

I wonder what happened to good old "sign bloody message".

The problem is that every single newbie that trades on telegram and gets scammed on it, comes here because this is BITCOINtalk.org so they all think this is where to file all of their bitcoin related scam accusations. Why can't they just send their report to telegram's @notoscam so they can read it and put a nice fat SCAM label to their username if it's credible?

Probably because they start making deals on bitcointalk and they end up on telegram, so it is somehow connected. Speaking of newbies, isn't there some kind of PM restriction for them, so if they want to make deal "here" they either have to wait for weeks to increase their activity or simple go to telegram.

You can pay ~ $25.00 or so to get a copper membership.
If you want to trade safely here and use escrows here and have people help you of if there is an issue here, pay the money and support here.
Otherwise, be a productive member, post, get some merits and you can PM people.

[marlboroza]

I wonder what happened to good old "sign bloody message".

No shit right.. That's what I was thinking..

Yeah, well, while typing this I remembered that you said staked addy is your identity, I was just too lazy to find your post.

You can pay ~ $25.00 or so to get a copper membership.
If you want to trade safely here and use escrows here and have people help you of if there is an issue here, pay the money and support here.
Otherwise, be a productive member, post, get some merits and you can PM people.

OK. Lets say I am newbie and I want to sell something for 25$.

Cooper membership is 25$.
Telegram is free so is signed message, it requires about 5 minutes to sign and verify.

I can buy 25 beers for 25$.

Hmmm... Ask for signed message and buy beer? 0‰ scam...

[notblox1]

Looking at this topic as a joke, not very smart person posting, or someone angry on Hhampuz for not accepting him or removing him from some bounty campaign.

Close this thread. It was my mistake.

Lock it yourself and please change the title to solved.
Bottom left corner:


Now you learned not to trust people on Telegram so easy.

[JollyGood]

I found it missing from my system after an update, somehow was deleted and I did not bother installing it again. It is a scammers paradise indeed.

telegram is such cancer, scammers paradise

[LoyceV]

Close this thread. It was my mistake.

Can you edit the title (you can do this by editing your first post) to reflect that Hhampuz is not the bad guy here? Some people don't read more than the title, so they shouldn't get the wrong idea.

However, I have never, and never will complete a transaction solely on Telegram.

I must admit I have completed several transactions through Telegram, but only with accounts owned by people I trust. And when it comes to payment, I usually say: "please check this link on Bitcointalk for my address" because I don't trust Telegram itself with Bitcoin addresses.

[TalkStar]

Some people don't read more than the title, so they shouldn't get the wrong idea.

Yeah its true that some people have this kinda habit and most of the time they don't feel it necessary to visit the main topic. Someone just took the advantage of Hhampuz reputation and OP made his mistake by not confirming Hhampuz real telegram account. I don't think its a good idea to open a accusation with a title like this. After getting scammed how did he get confirmed that it was real Hhampuz who committed scam with him where IMO it was his responsibility to give a personal message to Hhampuz before opening a thread like this. It doesn't mean that after getting scammed by anyone i will directly open a accusation without thinking about anyone's contribution or fame. If you can make the transaction blindly just by seeing someone's similar looking name on telegram then why didn't you feel it necessary to contact him before opening a accusation against him.

By the way its good to see that everything has been well discussed here and OP realized actually what happened with him. I will suggest him to edit his topic title and lock this forever.  

[pilosopotasyo]

I found it missing from my system after an update, somehow was deleted and I did not bother installing it again. It is a scammers paradise indeed.

telegram is such cancer, scammers paradise

Because all the elements to scam people are all here, you can change username you can delete your account and delete the chat, telegram administrators should know this issue and try to address this issue, if there are alternatives the Crypto community will transfer to that alternatives, because telegram is haven for scammers.

[sujonali1819]

The user-created the account 3 July and make ann for buying skrill plus Paysafecard and create scam accusation with proper format against Hhumpuz who is one of the top trusted user in this forum. So it makes a thought about the user is a real newbie or not. And now the user doesn't care to check this thread again. BTW OP, if you read this thread again please lock or change the title what Loycev already said.

[Raflesia]

The user-created the account 3 July and make ann for buying skrill plus Paysafecard and create scam accusation with proper format against Hhumpuz who is one of the top trusted user in this forum. So it makes a thought about the user is a real newbie or not. And now the user doesn't care to check this thread again. BTW OP, if you read this thread again please lock or change the title what Loycev already said.

Too hasty in taking this action even though he already knows that Hhampuz is the most trusted person all forum users also know who he is.
And finally he acknowledged that this was his fault and obviously the most trusted person would not do this kind of thing.

[Bitcoinsummoner]

The user-created the account 3 July and make ann for buying skrill plus Paysafecard and create scam accusation with proper format against Hhumpuz who is one of the top trusted user in this forum. So it makes a thought about the user is a real newbie or not. And now the user doesn't care to check this thread again. BTW OP, if you read this thread again please lock or change the title what Loycev already said.

The original poster who created the post cant be an original newbie, she/he must have more accounts and using the forum from a long time. The person tried to proof she/he has been scammed and also tried to proof his/her words. I guess he/she is a real scammer.

[JollyGood]

This thread is a prime example of how false allegations can be made against respected forum members so easily. What makes this thread alarmingly more shocking is that the allegation by the Newbie OP is based on just a claim of being scammed for: 0.0068 BTC

The allegation against Hhampuz is completely false yet this thread is not even locked.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

The allegation against Hhampuz is completely false yet this thread is not even locked.

That's because I haven't posted yet, oh wait I just did so let the countdown begin. Thread getting locked in 3.2.1...

The reported amount is quite funny as there's more to lose in comparisons regarding the reputation @Hhampuz has built for himself as a result of his numerous successful service/transaction which just got mw thinking why anyone including the OP would think Hhampuz did this, well lets just believe he/she is a newbie so can be excused. I have been accused before (less accusation though) which is why I provided a direct link in all my service thread but still some individuals won't adhere to this instructions.

[JollyGood]

The OP seems to have either forgotten to lock it or has lost interest after he realised his mistake with the false accusation.

As you said, now that you posted here let us see what happens 

The allegation against Hhampuz is completely false yet this thread is not even locked.

That's because I haven't posted yet, oh wait I just did so let the countdown begin. Thread getting locked in 3.2.1...

The reported amount is quite funny as there's more to lose in comparisons regarding the reputation @Hhampuz has built for himself as a result of his numerous successful service/transaction which just got mw thinking why anyone including the OP would think Hhampuz did this, well lets just believe he/she is a newbie so can be excused. I have been accused before (less accusation though) which is why I provided a direct link in all my service thread but still some individuals won't adhere to this instructions.