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July 04, 2020, 11:00:47 PM
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It's the same feeling when you're playing NBA 2k on PlayStation.

But if the SFX of virtual fans and crowd noise is just repetitive, it will become boring. I hope there are different kinds of SFX and it'll adjust depends on the game's situation especially when the scores don't have huge gap in last quarter.

i'll admit, when i first read about this stuff, that's what came to mind---repetitive/boring effects like playstation and dreamcast era madden and nba 2k. but it's not 1999 anymore. CGI and sound effects have come a long way. the scope of spectator activity will be exponentially bigger now.

just watch this reel and tell me you aren't impressed: https://www.themill.com/stories/our-cg-crowds-reel-is-here/

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July 05, 2020, 04:20:06 AM
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It's the same feeling when you're playing NBA 2k on PlayStation.

But if the SFX of virtual fans and crowd noise is just repetitive, it will become boring. I hope there are different kinds of SFX and it'll adjust depends on the game's situation especially when the scores don't have huge gap in last quarter.

i'll admit, when i first read about this stuff, that's what came to mind---repetitive/boring effects like playstation and dreamcast era madden and nba 2k. but it's not 1999 anymore. CGI and sound effects have come a long way. the scope of spectator activity will be exponentially bigger now.

just watch this reel and tell me you aren't impressed: https://www.themill.com/stories/our-cg-crowds-reel-is-here/

This is really impressive! It looks real, I'm not really against the idea even though I know players can still play without it but there's nothing wrong trying it, they just want to bring back the energy the audience brings with them, watching with the audience feels different right. And yup, is there a way that this CGI audiences will react according to the situation of the game? Its better cause if the audience react opposite to the situation, it can create awkwardness, imagine audience shouting with a player injured, crucial fouls and plays, etc.

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July 05, 2020, 02:00:29 PM
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i'll admit, when i first read about this stuff, that's what came to mind---repetitive/boring effects like playstation and dreamcast era madden and nba 2k. but it's not 1999 anymore. CGI and sound effects have come a long way. the scope of spectator activity will be exponentially bigger now.

just watch this reel and tell me you aren't impressed: https://www.themill.com/stories/our-cg-crowds-reel-is-here/

Yeah, You're right, the 21st-century version of virtual fans looks fantastic and have almost the same atmosphere with the real fans.  I think this pandemic has brought us something that we don't use to see every day including this one. people always come with some fantastic ideas of alternatives regardless of what we are facing today. this is the good time to try these kind of stuff and I think this would work like some real ones.


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July 05, 2020, 06:05:49 PM
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Yeah, You're right, the 21st-century version of virtual fans looks fantastic and have almost the same atmosphere with the real fans.  I think this pandemic has brought us something that we don't use to see every day including this one. people always come with some fantastic ideas of alternatives regardless of what we are facing today. this is the good time to try these kind of stuff and I think this would work like some real ones.




Wow, this actually doesnt look that bad! Of course they cant replace real fans, that sometimes do unexpected things when being filmed but I think that would at least make us feel more comfortable watching sports.
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July 05, 2020, 06:38:02 PM
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They are doing a nice initiative since they don't have a crowd to cheer them up and listening to those virtual cheers are also a confident booster for the player, I understand there are people doesn't like it but as of now they don't have a choice and the game will be more boring if there's no something like that putted on the game. And I'm really thankful for that since even if there's pandemic we can still see them resume the games and that is a good sign for the sports industry.
Yes, it's a boost for the players and that's also going to be a real-time cheer not just a pre-recorded cheer from their fans. No need to be picky this time and we've got something to take in and we have to fill ourselves with it.
There is no need to whine with the temporary solution of virtual fans. True fans will love the idea and will appreciate all the efforts that they do.

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July 07, 2020, 09:37:03 PM
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Yeah, You're right, the 21st-century version of virtual fans looks fantastic and have almost the same atmosphere with the real fans.  I think this pandemic has brought us something that we don't use to see every day including this one. people always come with some fantastic ideas of alternatives regardless of what we are facing today. this is the good time to try these kind of stuff and I think this would work like some real ones.

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Given the speed with which technology (such as deep fake) is moving, the average spectator of a sporting event on TV will soon not even be able to understand how real a match he is watching. This applies not only to fake fans but also to the players themselves  Grin

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July 08, 2020, 09:32:46 AM
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Given the speed with which technology (such as deep fake) is moving, the average spectator of a sporting event on TV will soon not even be able to understand how real a match he is watching. This applies not only to fake fans but also to the players themselves  Grin

Yeah, why such add virtual fans and crowd noise? This feature will let the viewers divided on their point of view. Others may going like it especially if it a real crowd noise and not an artificial. Besides, the commentators job will do already to sustain the excitement during the live watch.

Live match does not really need the crowd noise. It will just be a disturbance and yeah it will just look like unreal. This could also mean a noise crowd fight when the watch shows excitement.
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July 08, 2020, 10:29:02 PM
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Given the speed with which technology (such as deep fake) is moving, the average spectator of a sporting event on TV will soon not even be able to understand how real a match he is watching. This applies not only to fake fans but also to the players themselves  Grin

Yeah, why such add virtual fans and crowd noise? This feature will let the viewers divided on their point of view. Others may going like it especially if it a real crowd noise and not an artificial. Besides, the commentators job will do already to sustain the excitement during the live watch.

Live match does not really need the crowd noise. It will just be a disturbance and yeah it will just look like unreal. This could also mean a noise crowd fight when the watch shows excitement.

I do not agree with you. Recently I have been watching matches of the Italian football championship (they are held without spectators) and this is a rather difficult sight even despite the excellent quality of the game. Without the fans and emotions of the stadium, it seems that this is a regular training session, in such an atmosphere the importance of the match is not at all felt.

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July 08, 2020, 10:42:25 PM
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I am among those who totally agree with the idea of adding virtual fans and crowd noise. What FOX will do is very good, because I watch
football without a live audience really boring, reducing the tension of the match. Hopefully it gives a different effect with add virtual fans
and crowd noise. In my opinion this is important to be realized right.

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July 08, 2020, 11:18:13 PM
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Normally I'd disagree but they cant allow crowds in the normal way in these current circumstances, it will certainly lead to a death and an avoidable one.    Theres even been times in history when crowds were banned for other reasons, some of the extreme riots and poor crowd behaviour in soccer games this has been the case so right now its fair to find a substitute or representative of distant fans.
   One take I saw for online games or esports is to show fans on webcam, its not really the same because they are separate not together mostly but it kinda works.   A crowd has a dynamic of its own so they need to improve connecting the fans so they can hear enough other and chant together and so on, otherwise its just not as good.      Old footage of fans cheering is quite fine, it just takes skill to match it up properly and avoid any false dynamic.
  Sometimes fans would gather on a hill or field to watch a giant screen together, not at the game but watching together.   So if they could connect enough people, at least one hundred to give a large screen of not just the game but each other in a collage of live footage then it could work, hard to sync up though and a challenge but we have the tech nowadays that its a possible thing if they make an effort.

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July 09, 2020, 07:47:28 PM
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One take I saw for online games or esports is to show fans on webcam, its not really the same because they are separate not together mostly but it kinda works.

broadcasters have been doing the home camera thing in a limited sense for years. i think we'll see more of that, yes. there are also new apps being developed that will allow fans to "cheer" remotely: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/07/yamaha-idea-let-sports-fans-send-virtual-cheers-into-empty-stadiums.html

we'll probably see a combination of this kinda remote fan participation and virtual/CGI crowds and noise to make the whole experience more realistic and competitive. it won't be quite the same as the old days, but it's better than empty stadiums with echoes and commentators and nothing else.

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