Lockdown easing - I'm back in the cafe

[franky1]

i know already what type of 'modelling' you want to imply in regards to the math
i know its like

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if 3 people infected one week
9 the next week
27 the next week
81 the next week
there are only so many weeks before it gets to 100 and everyone has had it(YOU would say)

but what YOU are not realising is those 3 might go in separate groups after the first week
and instead of spreading it to just a fixed cluster of 100 people in just over a month

one joins a new protest in another town and starts off from 1 to being 3 in the following week
then 2 of those split off again
now each cluster is just 1's and not triples.
so by week 2 there are now clusters totalling 1200 but only 12 total infected


people dont stay in the same 100 cluster for months. to get everyone infected in just over a month.
they spread out to other clusters making each cluster take longer

...
i know you also want to say there is an S curve where it slows down when getting to majority spread
which is why i cut short at 70% instead of mentioning the 100%

yea i didnt explain the detail because you would have tried to say that i waffled so much detail and not given a dumbed down short answer.(as you did initially)

and then by giving a dumbed down answer you want to say its not specific enough.(as you just did)

.. all in all your not looking for an answer your just trying to find something to complain about to have a reason to ignore an answer

well enjoy that

[Spendulus]

funny part is
.... <<< garbage fantasies>>>

You're stand is societal lockdown for years.

Thanks for admitting it. (Finally!!!)

I'm currently with a couple M.D.s we're having a good laugh over this.

[franky1]

"societal lockdowns for years"
(facepalm)

seems you did ignore the whole last page of posts
maybe try A year of societal DISTANCING
if people actually did have some common sense

[Spendulus]

"societal lockdowns for years"

seems you did ignore the whole last page of posts
maybe try a year of societal DISTANCING

Be my guest, revise your former comments, summarize the key points, correct misreadings of your rambling junk. I'm fine with any/all of that. I really did have a simple, direct question. Just no more lying, okay? No more ducking and dodging.

i know already what type of 'modelling' you want to imply in regards to the math
i know its like....

No, you don't. And just post your R program that displays your beliefs, instead of drawing with the character set of the keyboard?

[franky1]

Be my guest, revise your former comments, summarize the key points, correct misreadings of your rambling junk. I'm fine with any/all of that. I really did have a simple, direct question. Just no more lying, okay? No more ducking and dodging.

you do know that lockdown has eased. right?
you do know that whats being asked is just social distancing. right?
you did also read me saying that there is no single option 'end game' and it all depends on how stupid and ignorant people are to not follow advice about distancing.. right?

i would love the 70week model. governments, hospitals, smart people would
but its the idiots that wont socially distance that will make it be more like 140weeks. not the government
the government would have to step in if too many idiots dont respect peoples personal space.
so its the idiots that would cause more problems

now lets work out if you are one of them idiots or if you do atleast act smart off the forum
will you respect peoples personal space? or will you want to get lots of people to gather under the false pretense of 'herd immunity quickly' to force governments hand

[Spendulus]

Be my guest, revise your former comments, summarize the key points, correct misreadings of your rambling junk. I'm fine with any/all of that. I really did have a simple, direct question. Just no more lying, okay? No more ducking and dodging.

you do know that lockdown has eased. right?
you do know that whats being asked is just social distancing. right?
you did also read me saying that there is no single option 'end game' and it all depends on how stupid and ignorant people are to not follow advice about distancing.. right?

i would love the 70week model. governments, hospitals, smart people would
but its the idiots that wont socially distance that will make it be more like 140weeks. not the government
the government would have to step in if too many idiots dont respect peoples personal space.
so its the idiots that would cause more problems

now lets work out if you are one of them idiots or if you do atleast act smart off the forum
will you respect peoples personal space? or will you want to get lots of people to gather under the false pretense of 'herd immunity quickly' to force governments hand

I haven't said what "I want", and don't waste your time guessing. You believe the mid-game to be 140 weeks, I got it. And it's the fault of those that didn't follow the good people in government and medicine...they think 70 weeks. Your words, not mine. Your idea is a year and a half.

Tell you what, your rambling is getting annoying so I'm going to start a poll. By the way, post that R model anytime, okay?

[Spendulus]

.....
now lets work out if you are one of them idiots or if you do atleast act smart off the forum
will you respect peoples personal space? or will you want to get lots of people to gather under the false pretense of 'herd immunity quickly' to force governments hand

The false pretenses are exactly this.

It's dangerous so wear a mask.But don't worry, we'll have a vaccine pretty soon and then you'll be safe.

Totally, 100% false.

[franky1]

doctors wear masks. they work with masks. yes they should get regular breaks. but thats a case for standard work practice of not making people work 12 hours without a break

if you think your suppose to wear the same mask all day for weeks. then you need to take a step back from the sites badecker has been linking you

your suppose to only use masks in places where social distancing is not available
buses/taxis/trains/shops

once you are out of the shop you can loosen the mask
you should regularly replace the mask too.
but whats most important is distance
respect peoples personal space. its not that hard

[Spendulus]

doctors wear masks. they work with masks. yes they should get regular breaks. but thats a case for standard work practice of not making people work 12 hours without a break

if you think your suppose to wear the same mask all day for weeks. then you need to take a step back from the sites badecker has been linking you

your suppose to only use masks in places where social distancing is not available
buses/taxis/trains/shops

once you are out of the shop you can loosen the mask
you should regularly replace the mask too.
but whats most important is distance
respect peoples personal space. its not that hard

I wrote something sarcastic in response to this, and have deleted it. This post makes a lot of practical sense.

But I am afraid you won't get far talking like that, because the Cult of the Mask has arisen. The Mask will save us, is what they have been told to believe.

[KingScorpio]

i heard another lockdown is necessary

[Eugenar]

Same situation here, the lockdown is now ended in our country but there are still some restrictions, we should still wear a face mask and observe the social distancing because once you have caught by the authority violating those things they will give you punishment. All businesses are now open so I am hoping that our economy will bring back before. I know it's not that easy but still hoping for its fast recovery.

[franky1]

i heard another lockdown is necessary

well with the way some idiots are talking about wanting to spit on people and not respect personal space and such then yea its kinda inevitable

they pretend their motives are to promote herd immunity. but they always sound like they dont even care about other people.

its as if these idiots want to force the government to intervene just to then say the government intervened.
not actually caring for their own health or health of those around them, but instead be idiots and push the limits to test the response.
its like toddlers testing their parents boundaries to see what they can get away with but then crying when they get told off..
seems they never learn to just not test boundaries and instead just get on with other things to avoid crying

[KrisAlex18]

Going outside and chilling outside is still not safe with this current situation because the pandemic virus is still there and the transmission of it is so quick, so if we font has some important things to do outside, please stay at home let us just wait for the virus to end so we will all be comfortable gong outside without thinking of social distancing and wearing a mask.

As of these days, there are already many businesses that are now open and the attachment for every people is now close so we should be more careful now.

Good news to hear that life returns to normal eventually. Af ter lockdown, I first visited cafe back in May and now I'm visiting it on regular basis. And back in June, they ended whole quarantine. It's such great feeling to live normal life without any restrictions and without being forced to wear mask. I also had visited football stadium several times already to watch some matches, I missed that atmosphere a lot.
I'll have vacations in end of July - start of August and I started to look for flight tickets, maybe to Spain or Italy.
In Europe situation in general is under control now. But there are no signs that other continents will return to normal life soon, especially South and North America.

Well, we should still be careful because the virus has not yet over. Wearing a mask is still advisable and required. Especially with those countries that has many cases.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Going outside and chilling outside is still not safe with this current situation because the pandemic virus is still there and the transmission of it is so quick, so if we font has some important things to do outside, please stay at home let us just wait for the virus to end so we will all be comfortable gong outside without thinking of social distancing and wearing a mask.

In modern reality, for some reason, it seems that this virus will circulate for a very long time. As soon as the quarantine eased a little, the virus began to be transmitted again. Why is this happening? The borders are open and the virus is being transmitted again. But, of course, it is impossible to live in closed countries, and people need interaction, but on the other hand, we always need to understand that human health should be put much above all other priorities. Everyone should ask themselves how important their safety and their families are and take precautions to do so.

[Jet Cash]

There is more and most data being released about this so-called pandemic, and it is becoming apparent how badly we have been misled. Yes, it is highly infectious, but it doesn't seem to be very dangerous, except for the few who have flaky health due to lifestyle or as victims of the pharmaceutical industry. It seems to have been carefully orchestrated by the bankers and big pharma, and it will be interesting to see if increasing public awareness of the CV scam will turn people away from the pharmaceutical and vaccination frauds. Lets hope it does.

Will they try to impose another lockdown when the second wave hits those who were unwise enough to avoid gaining immunity during the healthy summer months. I certainly hope that public opinion prevents this. Then their is the insane vaccination issue, Billions of pounds, dollars and euros are being spent on this useless exercise. Money is being given to organisations who have never produced any commercial products, are developing their products from artificial organisms rather than the real thing, and bypassing normal testing procedures. I think I would rather go to prison that let them inject such poisonous products into me.

[Spendulus]

There is more and most data being released about this so-called pandemic, and it is becoming apparent how badly we have been misled. Yes, it is highly infectious, but it doesn't seem to be very dangerous, except for the few who have flaky health due to lifestyle or as victims of the pharmaceutical industry. It seems to have been carefully orchestrated by the bankers and big pharma, and it will be interesting to see if increasing public awareness of the CV scam will turn people away from the pharmaceutical and vaccination frauds. Lets hope it does.

Will they try to impose another lockdown when the second wave hits those who were unwise enough to avoid gaining immunity during the healthy summer months. I certainly hope that public opinion prevents this.....

This is an important subject and is worthy of discussion.

In the cafe.

[SacriFries11]

The major lockdown that been implemented here in or countries in the past 3 months have been lifted and businesses are implementing the guidelines for the new normal. There are still places that need to strictly implement the quarantine protocol where the amounts of the positive Covid-19 cases continue to rise. Its allow different local government units to easily trace the suspected cases to prevent the possible cases emerge to different places. Even the fact that the cases still continue to rise and almost reach the peak, the economy need to recover and people need to earn money. The government could not afford to implement another major lockdown.

[panganib999]

That was good to know that after a couple of months under lockdown or community quarantine brought by the existence of pandemic, things are slowly getting back to normal but it was not literally normal to say since there are still restrictions and guidelines that are needed to be followed. Experts and government are calling this as "new normal" wherein business establishments can now do operate like on a normal set up but on a limited or minimal working capacity that will still observe social distancing and having precautionary measures to be able to get back into work to earn for a living.

This was just so good that after a couple of months of staying indoors, we can now get back to work because most of us are suffering from no work no pay basis. This would be the temporary to permanent set up that we will experience until the vaccine or cure for the virus that will end it have been discovered. Let us be contented on this setup because it is much better than getting stuck at home and doing nothing and earning nothing. Let's just think of it a usual thing but done with strict precaution for our own safety while getting productive on working.

[Naida_BR]

Good news to hear that life returns to normal eventually. After lockdown, I first visited cafe back in May and now I'm visiting it on regular basis. And back in June, they ended whole quarantine. It's such great feeling to live normal life without any restrictions and without being forced to wear mask. I also had visited football stadium several times already to watch some matches, I missed that atmosphere a lot.
I'll have vacations in end of July - start of August and I started to look for flight tickets, maybe to Spain or Italy.
In Europe situation in general is under control now. But there is no signs that other continents will return to normal life soon, especially South and North America.

Life cannot return back to normal after coronavirus.
We might have gone back to cafes but you can see people wearing facemasks or keeping distances which is not so social as it used to be in the past.

[franky1]

saying to stay home and wait it out. might have helped more if they done contact tracing during lockdown aswell, to speed up the drop in cases.
places in asia did and they had great success. thus then controlling the low cases while relaxing restrictions was easier for them
they started in january. and done contact tracing and relaxed things in march/april

UK kinda implemented contact tracing but only a month after some relaxations of lockdown.
but by waiting till march to lockdown. and then not implement contact tracing until june.
which means its still handling about 600 cases a week. but keeping it down some what so UK's risk of a second large wave to need another lockdown is far far off.

but US. they seem to want to avoid any government involvement. let it spread and have people to blame. while then blaming government for stupid things it wasnt involved in.
EG saying the virus was created by government. but then not blaming government for underfunding hospitals/safety efforts of reduction/prevention.. instead blaming government for the small interventions it did do.

america seems backward. and will suffer because of it.