[RESOLVED] Atomic wallet. Bitcoin sent to a Dogecoin address...

[bitmover]

If the OP Has the private keys of D7ZDkK9RNyKDiDE7GobhKWNsTt3rHKGm3e , he must have the private key for 13R8D4Cn5ZQwBD3WYDc8mkDGakKYxZcpwb, if the wallet makes any sense at all at their conversion.

I don't think that's possible.

I've just installed Atomic Wallet (in a VM). During installation, system load went up to 54. I've never seen that before from a single program.
After installation, seeing so many different altcoins supported, it made me realize they may have just messed up something internally. Say they check addresses for validity, but they check them against all supported coins instead of only against the one you're actually sending.
Update: see my next post

I think that when the wallet converted doge address to btc format the private key should be the same (which is a hex number)

If not, the wallet is so buggy that it shouldn't we released yet. It is not ready for release. It is a big risk to use it
I think it is plausible to open an scam accusation, as the dev team is advertising and released a completely bugged wallet.

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[DaveF]

Do you have your original seed?
I am wondering if you use something like the bip39 recovery tool:https://iancoleman.io/bip39/

You might be able to find the private key for address that wound up with the funds.
Just a thought, no idea if it will work. If I had more time this AM I would test myself.

-Dave

[Favelj]

Do you have your original seed?
I am wondering if you use something like the bip39 recovery tool:https://iancoleman.io/bip39/

You might be able to find the private key for address that wound up with the funds.
Just a thought, no idea if it will work. If I had more time this AM I would test myself.

-Dave

Oh, you mean the 12 words passphrase for my atomic wallet, is that the original seed? Sorry, not an eypert myself... If that is so, yes i do. And yeah, never used the tool.

[DaveF]

Do you have your original seed?
I am wondering if you use something like the bip39 recovery tool:https://iancoleman.io/bip39/

You might be able to find the private key for address that wound up with the funds.
Just a thought, no idea if it will work. If I had more time this AM I would test myself.

-Dave

Oh, you mean the 12 words passphrase for my atomic wallet, is that the original seed? Sorry, not an eypert myself... If that is so, yes i do. And yeah, never used the tool.

Yes, the 12 words.

Was the doge address yours from the atomic wallet or just a random one that was on your clipboard?
If it was from the wallet then yeah, you *might* be able to use the decoder to find the BTC, I doubt it but you never know, you might get lucky.

Fees are too high at the moment for me to mess about.

BUT, I did a test, making some assumptions.. [Others feel free to verify]

I created a new wallet and put the seed phrase in the decoder. And generated 25 addresses I sent 1 doge to the 25th address D5wRjScfQfvtoo2KdybQUQ734frwhgx33E
It never showed up in the atomic wallet.
I then send 5 doge to the 1st address DCmF3Yy7Nsri3sTuVp7gyzBFZnQmzKYWBb and poof it was there.
So I then sent 2 doge to the 3rd address DAYXEugHg67WYSJR9iVdqZYJoS52tvfYs2 and it never shows in the wallet.
So for some reason it only looks to the 1st address. (which is crap thing to do) so if the BTC address is buried somewhere in there you might be able to get the private key.

If it was an address from someplace else then you will probably not be able to get it, *unless have access to that doge wallet and it uses the passphrase that can be decoded with the decoder*.

Edit: importing the key into coinomi shows the doge sent to the 1st and 3rd address deposits not the 25th. Since it probably only looks at the 1st 20 or so addresses to start.

-Dave

[bitmover]

Do you have your original seed?
I am wondering if you use something like the bip39 recovery tool:https://iancoleman.io/bip39/

You might be able to find the private key for address that wound up with the funds.
Just a thought, no idea if it will work. If I had more time this AM I would test myself.

-Dave

Oh, you mean the 12 words passphrase for my atomic wallet, is that the original seed? Sorry, not an eypert myself... If that is so, yes i do. And yeah, never used the tool.

Yes, this is what I was talking about when I said that the converted private key from the address should be in your wallet.





It is nearly impossible to find your 1CcXmS6odyQSpM3i2Xbr8CK4pntPRE3yvF address unless you know how that conversion from the doge address took place.

Can you talk to the dev team and ask which derivation path/ account did they use?

[Favelj]

Do you have your original seed?
I am wondering if you use something like the bip39 recovery tool:https://iancoleman.io/bip39/

You might be able to find the private key for address that wound up with the funds.
Just a thought, no idea if it will work. If I had more time this AM I would test myself.

-Dave

Oh, you mean the 12 words passphrase for my atomic wallet, is that the original seed? Sorry, not an eypert myself... If that is so, yes i do. And yeah, never used the tool.

Yes, this is what I was talking about when I said that the converted private key from the address should be in your wallet.

https://i.imgur.com/jsO5Unl.png
https://i.imgur.com/wB7lY4f.png


It is nearly impossible to find your 1CcXmS6odyQSpM3i2Xbr8CK4pntPRE3yvF address unless you know how that conversion from the doge address took place.

Can you talk to the dev team and ask which derivation path/ account did they use?

Can't talk to anyone from their side rationaly, i have accepted the fact the coins are lost to me, gonna post end result now.

[Favelj]

So this is their latest replys.
"Thank you for reaching out.

We appreciate how you must feel about this case. However, this situation not in any way implies compensation. Many other coins have similar addresses formats such as VET and ETH, and it is almost impossible to prevent this kind of mistake apart from being attentive to the address and double-check where are you sending your funds to. The coins that have different formats will not let you mix the addresses and you will see the error when sending.

However, as you are a valuable customer, we can offer you a bonus in AWC. Please send us your AWC BNB address."

So I was, ok, so at least they are giving me somtehing back, better then nothing, I was hoping for at least 25% of what I had lost, since it was partialy my mistake for copying the doge add, but this is what I got...

" Thank you for patiently waiting.

We have made a compensation of awc-bnb to you, here's the txHash https://explorer.binance.org/tx/575700ECC7FADA8C80825BA53C1D26B830AEB51084A4B007A9665927BC79BFC1

Let us know if we can help you more."

That is 15 usd... All I can say is do not use this wallet, unsafe, support is not professional, buggy, and I could go on and on.

I would like to thank all of you for your support, had not expected this much of it.

[LoyceV]

So this is their latest replys.
"Many other coins have similar addresses formats such as VET and ETH, and it is almost impossible to prevent this kind of mistake apart from being attentive to the address and double-check where are you sending your funds to. The coins that have different formats will not let you mix the addresses and you will see the error when sending.

They can't be this dumb, so they must know they're making up BS. Dogecoin addresses are not "similar" to Bitcoin addresses, there's a huge difference. It's not possible to send Bitcoin to a Dogecoin address, so of course that didn't happen.
I'd like to see the Atomic wallet people explain how they created the Bitcoin address.

being attentive to the address and double-check where are you sending your funds to

What's the use of double checking the address, if the wallet internally decides to send it to another address than what you entered?

The coins that have different formats will not let you mix the addresses

So they're back to claiming Dogecoin and Bitcoin have the same address format.

[suchmoon]

Do you have your original seed?
I am wondering if you use something like the bip39 recovery tool:https://iancoleman.io/bip39/

You might be able to find the private key for address that wound up with the funds.
Just a thought, no idea if it will work. If I had more time this AM I would test myself.

-Dave

Oh, you mean the 12 words passphrase for my atomic wallet, is that the original seed? Sorry, not an eypert myself... If that is so, yes i do. And yeah, never used the tool.

Yes, this is what I was talking about when I said that the converted private key from the address should be in your wallet.

I don't get how you're making a connection to the OP's private keys. OP pasted a doge address. The wallet replaced it with something else that looks like either a stupid bug or a scam. You seem to be saying that the wallet failed to implement basic address validation but implemented some obscure logic to pick a BTC address from the same wallet... I find that extremely unlikely. And even if they did that then they wouldn't have a problem to tell the OP how to derive the address and recover the funds.

[bitmover]

I don't get how you're making a connection to the OP's private keys. OP pasted a doge address. The wallet replaced it with something else that looks like either a stupid bug or a scam. You seem to be saying that the wallet failed to implement basic address validation but implemented some obscure logic to pick a BTC address from the same wallet... I find that extremely unlikely. And even if they did that then they wouldn't have a problem to tell the OP how to derive the address and recover the funds.

If the DOGE Address is in the same wallet, the conversion shouldn't have been done randomly.

Take a look at https://iancoleman.io/bip39/

If you insert a seed (like word 12x) you can see all bitcoin addresses from that seed. For each address, a private key.
But you can also change coin to DOGECOIN and see addresses and private keys for each address.

This is what the wallet shouyld have done. Converted the encoding of the dogecoin address to a bitcoin one, using that same logic from iancoleman.io. This way anyone with the private key could recover it.

[Favelj]

I have recieved 50% of the full 0.1btc lost in this transacion from Atomic Wallet today, here is their reply:
" Thank you for your reply.

If you would have owned your DOGE keys, there would be a chance for the recovery. However, in this case, there is not.

We would like to offer you 50% compensation – 0.05 BTC. We admit, that there was a failure in the wallet that has not prevented you from making a mistake. However, we want to note that it is on the user's side to make sure you use a correct address and double-check everything before sending.

We hope this resolution is acceptable for you, please provide your BTC address."

So they actually admitted it was their failure in the wallet, and they returned me that 50%. The other 50% which is a little over 0.05 BTC is lost, ffs that's still 400 usd... I guess I can accept that. Have contacted the site on which the dogecoin wallet is, so maybe i still get the private keys to that doge wallet and recover the rest. Thank you all for your support. They do admit the failure though...

[bitmover]

I have recieved 50% of the full 0.1btc lost in this transacion from Atomic Wallet today, here is their reply:
" Thank you for your reply.

If you would have owned your DOGE keys, there would be a chance for the recovery. However, in this case, there is not.

We would like to offer you 50% compensation – 0.05 BTC. We admit, that there was a failure in the wallet that has not prevented you from making a mistake. However, we want to note that it is on the user's side to make sure you use a correct address and double-check everything before sending.

We hope this resolution is acceptable for you, please provide your BTC address."

So they actually admitted it was their failure in the wallet, and they returned me that 50%. The other 50% which is a little over 0.05 BTC is lost, ffs that's still 400 usd... I guess I can accept that. Have contacted the site on which the dogecoin wallet is, so maybe i still get the private keys to that doge wallet and recover the rest. Thank you all for your support. They do admit the failure though...

The conversion probably did something similar to what I suggested , this is why there is a chance of recovering if you have the private keys

I would accept the 0.05 btc. It was partially your fault for 2 reasons:
1 you used a shitful software
2 you were careless and sent your funds to the wrong address.  If it was a fiat transaction and you mistakenly sent your money to the wrong account it would probably be lost as well.

[Favelj]

I have recieved 50% of the full 0.1btc lost in this transacion from Atomic Wallet today, here is their reply:
" Thank you for your reply.

If you would have owned your DOGE keys, there would be a chance for the recovery. However, in this case, there is not.

We would like to offer you 50% compensation – 0.05 BTC. We admit, that there was a failure in the wallet that has not prevented you from making a mistake. However, we want to note that it is on the user's side to make sure you use a correct address and double-check everything before sending.

We hope this resolution is acceptable for you, please provide your BTC address."

So they actually admitted it was their failure in the wallet, and they returned me that 50%. The other 50% which is a little over 0.05 BTC is lost, ffs that's still 400 usd... I guess I can accept that. Have contacted the site on which the dogecoin wallet is, so maybe i still get the private keys to that doge wallet and recover the rest. Thank you all for your support. They do admit the failure though...

The conversion probably did something similar to what I suggested , this is why there is a chance of recovering if you have the private keys

I would accept the 0.05 btc. It was partially your fault for 2 reasons:
1 you used a shitful software
2 you were careless and sent your funds to the wrong address.  If it was a fiat transaction and you mistakenly sent your money to the wrong account it would probably be lost as well.

I agree with that 100%. Anyway I am done with this now, exchanged more then 30 emails so I am just happy it is over with. Like I said in the begining I do realize my stupidity in all of this, I am just glad that they saw theirs.

[mikeywith]

Do you have your original seed?
I am wondering if you use something like the bip39 recovery tool:https://iancoleman.io/bip39/

You might be able to find the private key for address that wound up with the funds.
Just a thought, no idea if it will work. If I had more time this AM I would test myself.

-Dave

Here is a test wallet, I sent some BTC , then sent it to a Doge address, it went through just like how OP explained, there is 0 relationship between the address Atomic wallet sends btc to and the seed, I tried all different combination like using Doge's PK to magically generate a BTC address, nothing worked, the address they send to is pretty strange


12-word BIP39

Code:

warfare thrive wing behind tired muscle outside uniform swim edge matrix wolf

Doge Address which BTC was sent to:

Code:

D95aC8TEQrbCRWqFVhYHzSj17uB7s8yd74

Doge's PK

Code:

QRw8xX9VAw67f9db8hqbN4EAWrj3Cwu1jZHDgoR6hg2nKBaKc7gD

BTC addresss Atomic (magically) sent to

Code:

14wUesWb7SgutWeem7YjSgZQEmSpUWKPm1

My atomic BTC addy (m/44'/0'/0'/0/0)

Code:

15m149RV3JicusAUs4Koeg5TUboPvnroY3

BTC addy PK:

Code:

L4nrgmSr8ZDjtfbhJbX8xo2cUN7hEaPwGnTLnbHNDEfKbk5aw5CH

[LoyceV]

Atomic Wallet today, here is their reply:
"If you would have owned your DOGE keys, there would be a chance for the recovery."

It would be nice if they can share how this would work, and what exactly their wallet did to turn a Dogecoin addy into a Bitcoin addy.
@Atomic Wallet: can you respond in this topic? I'd like to see you recover mikeywith's coins.

[Favelj]

Do you have your original seed?
I am wondering if you use something like the bip39 recovery tool:https://iancoleman.io/bip39/

You might be able to find the private key for address that wound up with the funds.
Just a thought, no idea if it will work. If I had more time this AM I would test myself.

-Dave

Here is a test wallet, I sent some BTC , then sent it to a Doge address, it went through just like how OP explained, there is 0 relationship between the address Atomic wallet sends btc to and the seed, I tried all different combination like using Doge's PK to magically generate a BTC address, nothing worked, the address they send to is pretty strange


12-word BIP39

Code:

warfare thrive wing behind tired muscle outside uniform swim edge matrix wolf

Doge Address which BTC was sent to:

Code:

D95aC8TEQrbCRWqFVhYHzSj17uB7s8yd74

Doge's PK

Code:

QRw8xX9VAw67f9db8hqbN4EAWrj3Cwu1jZHDgoR6hg2nKBaKc7gD

BTC addresss Atomic (magically) sent to

Code:

14wUesWb7SgutWeem7YjSgZQEmSpUWKPm1

My atomic BTC addy (m/44'/0'/0'/0/0)

Code:

15m149RV3JicusAUs4Koeg5TUboPvnroY3

BTC addy PK:

Code:

L4nrgmSr8ZDjtfbhJbX8xo2cUN7hEaPwGnTLnbHNDEfKbk5aw5CH

Thx for doing the test for yourself. I have contacted Atomic support and provided them with the link to this issue and asking them to respond here and for them to try to explain.

[Lucius]

It would be nice if they can share how this would work, and what exactly their wallet did to turn a Dogecoin addy into a Bitcoin addy.

It’s pretty certain that they won’t comment on the technical side of the story until they fix the issue, because who knows if that’s the only thing that needs to be fixed or is there another hole in the system that needs to be patched. It is possible that someone could take advantage of what caused this strange situation.

So they actually admitted it was their failure in the wallet, and they returned me that 50%. The other 50% which is a little over 0.05 BTC is lost, ffs that's still 400 usd... I guess I can accept that.

First they resolutely refused to compensate the damage, then they paid you $15, and now you already have 50% of what you lost. If you had not been persistent and listened to our advice, the amount you would have received back would have been exactly 0. I believe you can get back the rest of the BTC, either through a private key from Doge, or by still being persistent - it's still about your money, and what is worth $450 today for a year or two can be worth $1000 or more.

[Favelj]

It would be nice if they can share how this would work, and what exactly their wallet did to turn a Dogecoin addy into a Bitcoin addy.

It’s pretty certain that they won’t comment on the technical side of the story until they fix the issue, because who knows if that’s the only thing that needs to be fixed or is there another hole in the system that needs to be patched. It is possible that someone could take advantage of what caused this strange situation.

So they actually admitted it was their failure in the wallet, and they returned me that 50%. The other 50% which is a little over 0.05 BTC is lost, ffs that's still 400 usd... I guess I can accept that.

First they resolutely refused to compensate the damage, then they paid you $15, and now you already have 50% of what you lost. If you had not been persistent and listened to our advice, the amount you would have received back would have been exactly 0. I believe you can get back the rest of the BTC, either through a private key from Doge, or by still being persistent - it's still about your money, and what is worth $450 today for a year or two can be worth $1000 or more.

That is true yes... Well they replied to me again, so I do expect them to join in this issue here soon. And I am still waiting for the site that has the dogecoin address, they've been a big help also and very understanding.

Thank you all so much again...

[bitmover]

That is true yes... Well they replied to me again, so I do expect them to join in this issue here soon. And I am still waiting for the site that has the dogecoin address, they've been a big help also and very understanding.

Thank you all so much again...

You have to understand that you might no be able to get the private key from that doge address.  If the website uses could storage that would be risky and costly to them to fice you that private key.

Once they insert the information to get the private key the wallet might get compromised, so it's pretty reasonable for them to refuse to give you that private key, specially for a relatively small value.

[joniboini]

And I am still waiting for the site that has the dogecoin address, they've been a big help also and very understanding.

Slightly off topic but how did you find out the owner of the address? Am I missing something here?

Did someone emailed you or something? Maybe ask them to sign a message just to be sure, some scammers can pretend to have the address and ask you to send some funds to cover the fees or something.