Business / private sector is dead

[rodskee]

The life of businesses depend on the government's ability to manage their business sectors.

Majorities are relying with how the government will rule out and manage this sectors.

If they do not know what to do with all the problems at hand then they will surely have a problem.

Correct, the sectors are being affected much by problem and help coming from the
government is really in need.

If the government knows how to control the pandemic from spreading then that means that they can open businesses easily because they addressed the problem of atleast alleviating the chances of viral contraction.

If, that's the very important factor right now, how the government deal with strategic
to handle this virus and how they will
focus in order to survive and let the economy to still to move even the virus is still
existing.

This is just a matter of government competence in my opinion because look at New Zealand.

It's more on how they planned ahead of time and anticipate each movements,
the reliable the government the better economy.

[Mame89]

It is sad to hear your story... But I think there should be something you can do to earn some extra bucks for living, right? This pandemic really affects our current world and it changes our life significantly.

It is not that easy to find another job nowadays, most of the businesses are also struggling. But it is much more effective if someone will make his own business just for him to have an enough budget for his necessities during quarantine. You can't please someone to hire you that easy, you also need to do extra effort and consistency.

We had no choice but to deal with this crisis, that's why it feels like it is a survival of the fittest. You also need to follow those protocols to while working and dealing with outside environment for you to prevent those diseases to infect you.

business solutions that are safe are online businesses at home. It all depends we all look at the angle that occurs. even though we remain at home but produce. in the current era in the era of many people open business opportunities with home-based business and online transactions. In order to avoid the spread of corona is widespread. This business is run not just adults, teenagers also participate in online business at home. As long as we have the capital to run a business that will be developed...?

[deisik]

If you were referring to big businesses, they were actually not dead and it is somehow impossible to just happen that instant because owners of big businesses are really that rich people already. 

If you were referring to small businesses, well I think possibly some or most of them are dead due to the reason that owners did not come up on earning anything during quarantine and they were the ones that is directly affected on the temporary closing that turns out to be permanent because of the quarantine.

small and big business are in the same situation now so why call small business dead ? just because they earn small   ?  but they also know how to save and for sure they have a savings now that help them sustain thier livin

Small and big businesses are in the same situation, as we all are

However, it would be a mistake to equal them. Big businesses are big because they have many product lines, and their production capacities are often located in different places, sometimes in different countries or even parts of the world. If something goes wrong with one product or one place, they can always relocate and close that product. For small business, it is more often than not the end of the game. I'm actually curious why people would ever say that big businesses are as vulnerable as small ones

[ecnalubma]

Some might be dead others are struggling to survive a very tight economy. The countries that can operate normally are probably those who are less affected. People loses jobs no income, abnormal businesses operations health sectors continuously counting infected people. what could we expect expect?

[panganib999]

Business and private sector are not actually dead. They were just down for a while in accordance to the implementing community quarantine and health care guidelines to temporarily close down the business establishments to prevent the further spread of the virus that can be potentially transferred in a crowded place like work place that is why they are down for a while to give way on the planning on how to come up into the best way possible that workers can get back to work even at time of pandemic. Good thing that after a couple of months being closed, many businesses are now back to operation following the health guidelines and protocols being mandated by the healthcare professionals as well as the government to prevent the further infection brought by the virus.

But sadly, there were small businesses that turns out to close from temporary to permanent manner because owners cannot already afford to give its workers salary since they were also affected by the effect of pandemic bringing them to a financial crisis. But with regards to large businesses and corporation, they are still working and back in operation with minimal working capacity to still exhibit the social distancing required by the WHO and the government so that workers can now get back into their jobs while taking care of themselves not to get infected by the virus.

[Shasha80]

The Pandemic COVID-19 did damage everything, all businesses were destroyed. Even large companies experience substantial losses,
and very many home industries bankrupt. So it's no wonder the unemployment rate continues to grow, if we want to survive in an
economic crisis like now, it's better to choose a business that sells basic necessities. Because it has been proven for now many
people prioritize buying daily necessities.

[bits4books]

everything is dead we will all die

You are Such a low skill kind of freelancer and business participant if you do not know such a rule as "waiting is better than losing". All now prefer to wait for the first calls of the economic growth and not going to push ahead bringing additional losses. If you don't understand that, I'm sorry. Don't start a panic in a place where they are already doing a great job without you.

it's not about low quality work... it's about where is the demand ? ...

Before i started freelancing again i was a lead developer  in a company , i created a bitcoin trading platform in php and after the backend for a mobile trading & loans platform for eth and eth tokens , nothing to do with skills ...

Here is the problem in freelancing... Indians took over the market with shit prices ... Now you the client will go to a indian do to fact he has lower prices then europeans or americans ... your going to get your project done ... but you will pay shit price and you will get shit quality ... after you will come to skilled european / american freelancers like me and ask us to fix your project ... we give you the real price and you start telling us that you know freelancers that charge cheaper ...

Now we the "low skilled" european/americans  freelancers tell you this : Go F yourself and your project ... if you want quality pay quality ,go  to your indians to fix it ...

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Back in 2010-2015 i built over 300 websites and around 100-150 logos  and other graphic design projects ( satisfied custumers ) some of them you will see them in my old portfolio: https://www.coroflot.com/spy100/My-Portfolio
In 2015 i started working for a company as web developer then in 2018 i was promoted to lead developer until march 2020,i quit my job do to fact ceo wanted to cut salary to 33% out of 100% (excuse coronavirus) ...download stib p2p app to see eth platform
From march 2020 - present date i started freelancing again while i am looking for a job : 2020 portfolio you can see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5243944
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Check my profile before you start saying stupid stuff...

If you think that I said a stupid thing-then you do not really understand what I wanted to say, you need to be able to wait and catch the moment
I know a lot of people who complain about the Hindus saying they have taken up the entire web niche and do not give a way to others - but even more I know people who do not feel this. And you know why? Because those who complain about the Hindus are not very far from them in terms of the quality of their work and their code. Everyone who has at least once encountered the "legendary cheap Hindus" knows that it is better to pay an extra $ 10 / hour than then redo all their shit code. Think about it at your leisure, colleague. And good luck with your job!

[spy100]

everything is dead we will all die

You are Such a low skill kind of freelancer and business participant if you do not know such a rule as "waiting is better than losing". All now prefer to wait for the first calls of the economic growth and not going to push ahead bringing additional losses. If you don't understand that, I'm sorry. Don't start a panic in a place where they are already doing a great job without you.

it's not about low quality work... it's about where is the demand ? ...

Before i started freelancing again i was a lead developer  in a company , i created a bitcoin trading platform in php and after the backend for a mobile trading & loans platform for eth and eth tokens , nothing to do with skills ...

Here is the problem in freelancing... Indians took over the market with shit prices ... Now you the client will go to a indian do to fact he has lower prices then europeans or americans ... your going to get your project done ... but you will pay shit price and you will get shit quality ... after you will come to skilled european / american freelancers like me and ask us to fix your project ... we give you the real price and you start telling us that you know freelancers that charge cheaper ...

Now we the "low skilled" european/americans  freelancers tell you this : Go F yourself and your project ... if you want quality pay quality ,go  to your indians to fix it ...

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Back in 2010-2015 i built over 300 websites and around 100-150 logos  and other graphic design projects ( satisfied custumers ) some of them you will see them in my old portfolio: https://www.coroflot.com/spy100/My-Portfolio
In 2015 i started working for a company as web developer then in 2018 i was promoted to lead developer until march 2020,i quit my job do to fact ceo wanted to cut salary to 33% out of 100% (excuse coronavirus) ...download stib p2p app to see eth platform
From march 2020 - present date i started freelancing again while i am looking for a job : 2020 portfolio you can see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5243944
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Check my profile before you start saying stupid stuff...

If you think that I said a stupid thing-then you do not really understand what I wanted to say, you need to be able to wait and catch the moment
I know a lot of people who complain about the Hindus saying they have taken up the entire web niche and do not give a way to others - but even more I know people who do not feel this. And you know why? Because those who complain about the Hindus are not very far from them in terms of the quality of their work and their code. Everyone who has at least once encountered the "legendary cheap Hindus" knows that it is better to pay an extra $ 10 / hour than then redo all their shit code. Think about it at your leisure, colleague. And good luck with your job!

This has nothing to do with quality .... it's about fair prices

In Europe living costs are 800-1000 euros / month minimum
In USA i think it costs even more

So how in the hell do western people expect to compete with asian prices when living costs in Asia are lower like 50-100 usd / month ...? If i copy someones work here i go to prison ,if a indian copies someones work nothing happens to him ...

I remember now ...a Indian guy said to me : If i make 150 usd per month from "web design" i can provide for my hole family ...well in Europe with 150 usd you can't even go s...t sort of speaking ...

I see our traitors bringing cheap labor from Asia ... well anything does traitors are making i am never ever going to buy ...

What Asians are doing it's called dirty competition .... so in order to stop this madness i will vote nationalist parties from now on each time ... TARIFFS ,TARIFFS and more TARRIFS on Asian products /  high taxes on non EU labor and high taxes on anything people buy outside EU this is the solution

[exstasie]

I remember now ...a Indian guy said to me : If i make 150 usd per month from "web design" i can provide for my hole family ...well in Europe with 150 usd you can't even go s...t sort of speaking ...

I see our traitors bringing cheap labor from Asia ... well anything does traitors are making i am never ever going to buy ...

What Asians are doing it's called dirty competition .... so in order to stop this madness i will vote nationalist parties from now on each time ... TARIFFS ,TARIFFS and more TARRIFS on Asian products /  high taxes on non EU labor and high taxes on anything people buy outside EU this is the solution

Be careful what you wish for there. High tariffs will surely increase domestic prices due to the higher production costs. That will reduce your purchasing power as a consumer. It will also reinforce barriers to market entry for startups since business investment will become more costly.

There's no denying that globalization has fucked over workers in many ways. I'm just not sure tariffs are the answer.

[spy100]

I remember now ...a Indian guy said to me : If i make 150 usd per month from "web design" i can provide for my hole family ...well in Europe with 150 usd you can't even go s...t sort of speaking ...

I see our traitors bringing cheap labor from Asia ... well anything does traitors are making i am never ever going to buy ...

What Asians are doing it's called dirty competition .... so in order to stop this madness i will vote nationalist parties from now on each time ... TARIFFS ,TARIFFS and more TARRIFS on Asian products /  high taxes on non EU labor and high taxes on anything people buy outside EU this is the solution

Be careful what you wish for there. High tariffs will surely increase domestic prices due to the higher production costs. That will reduce your purchasing power as a consumer. It will also reinforce barriers to market entry for startups since business investment will become more costly.

There's no denying that globalization has fucked over workers in many ways. I'm just not sure tariffs are the answer.

Countries are like parallel universes ...

In country A a cheap coffee costs 1.5 euros ...

In country B a cheap coffee costs 0.05 euros ...

Sure the avg Joe from country A will buy cheap coffee from a person that lives in country B ... he keeps more money in his pocket .Sounds great until he realizes he f'd up.


The avg Joe does not realize that his destroying his job , country , family etc by doing biz with country B  ....he is destroying the businesses from country A and the suppliers etc ...he makes his country more weak...

You should do biz with countries on your same level ... or if you buy something from country B make sure you don't F up your life...



 

[Mame89]

The Pandemic COVID-19 did damage everything, all businesses were destroyed. Even large companies experience substantial losses,
and very many home industries bankrupt. So it's no wonder the unemployment rate continues to grow, if we want to survive in an
economic crisis like now, it's better to choose a business that sells basic necessities. Because it has been proven for now many
people prioritize buying daily necessities.

The pandemic does not destroy everything, it's just that it changes the era of conditions in society that disrupt normal activities. Everyone in the world is tested with disasters will see the point of view going forward. When this continues, everyone must think, for things that survive the need for a day I hope everyone has an anticipated view of this because we don't know how long it will last. This crisis will continue before this pandemic disappears. It's really depressing.?

[KrisAlex18]

It is not totally dead. Business and private sectors are just ordered to be close for a while just to make necessary measures for the sake of the safety of the people not to create a big crowd most specially at big malls and public places so that the spread of the virus will be lessen or taken into control. The suggestion of the temporary closure has been done to make a way for the disinfection of the business establishments and to follow the rules and regulations of the government as well as the health care officials because in a big place where people work and get together can have a big potential to acquire virus.

With such safety measures, the businesses and private sectors are not tend to be dead just close. But after a couple of months, they are back again and alive to get operational but still on a prior notice to exhibit health protocols to assure the safety of everyone. Maybe there are businesses that from temporary closure turns out to be permanent closure because of some reasons. Most of those are small time businesses but for big businesses, it is quite impossible for those to die easily what more with the private sectors. The effect of the pandemic is really tragic not just on life but as well with the business but good thing business establishments are open now again even with minimal working capacity.

[akram143]

Business  / private sector is dead

As a freelancer in 2 months i got 4 clients only ... in my area 4 clients it's like your biz is dead... no matter how much you try to do marketing/advertising it just does not work ...
I look at other peoples businesses same situation ...

High Tech,Web Development,Web design ,Mobile Development ,Marketing,Blockchain development,Dapps,Web Hosting is dead from what i see


I got friends taxi drivers same situation they are just sitting in the taxi and some day zero clients ,barber shops the same they are sitting around all day smoking ... anything that seems a "luxury good" people don't touch this days.

The only thing people are buying is basic necessities ... oh also food and cigarette prices went up again ...

It's a f nightmare ...those that have billions of USD under the mattress better start investing soon ,or that money will be good only as toilet paper ...

Economy i love it ...

People lost their jobs due to pandemic and they were forced to be inside their houses for very long time in some countries in that time people only spend their money to buy foods and groceries if they have any money left to spend.All other business and especially advertisement industry will take years to recovered from this so yes the economy is dead so it will be your decision whether you are going to stay like thins and blame other or go and get a job where you actually getting paid.

[spy100]

Business  / private sector is dead

As a freelancer in 2 months i got 4 clients only ... in my area 4 clients it's like your biz is dead... no matter how much you try to do marketing/advertising it just does not work ...
I look at other peoples businesses same situation ...

High Tech,Web Development,Web design ,Mobile Development ,Marketing,Blockchain development,Dapps,Web Hosting is dead from what i see


I got friends taxi drivers same situation they are just sitting in the taxi and some day zero clients ,barber shops the same they are sitting around all day smoking ... anything that seems a "luxury good" people don't touch this days.

The only thing people are buying is basic necessities ... oh also food and cigarette prices went up again ...

It's a f nightmare ...those that have billions of USD under the mattress better start investing soon ,or that money will be good only as toilet paper ...

Economy i love it ...

People lost their jobs due to pandemic and they were forced to be inside their houses for very long time in some countries in that time people only spend their money to buy foods and groceries if they have any money left to spend.All other business and especially advertisement industry will take years to recovered from this so yes the economy is dead so it will be your decision whether you are going to stay like thins and blame other or go and get a job where you actually getting paid.

are you kidding me this is my job


we going to see war very soon ... if they don't fix the situation ... like you said people lost their jobs and when famine comes war comes also.

[deisik]

I know a lot of people who complain about the Hindus saying they have taken up the entire web niche and do not give a way to others - but even more I know people who do not feel this. And you know why? Because those who complain about the Hindus are not very far from them in terms of the quality of their work and their code. Everyone who has at least once encountered the "legendary cheap Hindus" knows that it is better to pay an extra $ 10 / hour than then redo all their shit code. Think about it at your leisure, colleague. And good luck with your job!

This has nothing to do with quality .... it's about fair prices

Fair prices go along with quality

In other words, you can't compare prices without reference to the quality provided. And something tells me that prices are more or less the same across the globe for the same work standards. It simply doesn't make sense to ask below the market rates as you will be selling yourself cheap to cheap employers below your notch. And this has nothing to do with the lowest possible standard of living which you implicitly set as a reference point. You may live in the depths of Africa and still ask the highest price as long as you are up to snuff

[FanEagle]

I am sure it will be fix eventually, maybe not exactly, maybe not the companies and business' right now but it will be fixed eventually. One day that shop on the corner of your house will be closed, because there is pandemic and economy is bad and they can't continue anymore, maybe some other shop will start there soon, or maybe it will take some time, and even that could be closed because economy doesn't recover fast enough, but one day there will be one that opens there and continues to work for years.

That is what we are talking about here, economy could recover, not everyone will be effected from this recovery and get richer again, but the country as a whole will recover and the total combined amount people have will go up once again. Is that enough? Not really, but at least that means we are not going to be like Venezuela or Zimbabwe.

[spy100]

I know a lot of people who complain about the Hindus saying they have taken up the entire web niche and do not give a way to others - but even more I know people who do not feel this. And you know why? Because those who complain about the Hindus are not very far from them in terms of the quality of their work and their code. Everyone who has at least once encountered the "legendary cheap Hindus" knows that it is better to pay an extra $ 10 / hour than then redo all their shit code. Think about it at your leisure, colleague. And good luck with your job!

This has nothing to do with quality .... it's about fair prices

Fair prices go along with quality

In other words, you can't compare prices without reference to the quality provided. And something tells me that prices are more or less the same across the globe for the same work standards. It simply doesn't make sense to ask below the market rates as you will be selling yourself cheap to cheap employers below your notch. And this has nothing to do with the lowest possible standard of living which you implicitly set as a reference point. You may live in the depths of Africa and still ask the highest price as long as you are up to snuff

I live in Europe and i can say to you that your wrong...  

A chocolate bar made in Europe costs 2 euros , a chocolate bar coming from outside the EU costs 0.5 euros and it's junk when you open it you can see it's old ,and they used more sugar then cacao...
Should we start talking about cars,clothing,jewellery,leather products ,machinery,computers etc made in Europe vs junk made in China and India ... ?

Africa,China,India etc can't even compare with Europe,USA,Canada,South Korea,Japan when it comes to quality ...maybe one day they will reach our level but not in my lifetime ...


In Europe we know what quality is ... Do not even try to compare Lamborghini's with Tata's  

[Yatsan]

Not all businesses have died because of the pandemic but there are really some that have sadly experience a temporary to permanent closure because of no incoming earnings from the past months all due to the implementing community quarantine. Most of those businesses that are directly affected and turns out to close permanently are small businesses because those are the small earning capacity business establishments with low capital and because of the pandemic that they have no customers but still do have expenses to support daily necessities, the supposedly temporary closure turns out to become a permanent closure already.

But if we would be referring into the big businesses, many or most of them are already back into operation ever since the community quarantine have lessen the restrictions and a so called "new normal" set up is being implemented allowing business establishments to open up but the operating time will be shortened and the working capacity will be just on a minimal rate of about 30 to 50 percent which is the situation we have in our country as of the moment. This is to allow people to get back to work and reopen businesses to help for the revival of the economy that have experience declination due to no incoming earnings and taxes from businesses.

With that, we can say that businesses are not totally dead. So as with the private sectors. They were just down for a while amid with the existing protocols to help fight back the spreading of the infectious disease which is covid-19. But so far, everything seems going to look good because finally after a couple of months close business establishments are now back in operation.

[deisik]

I know a lot of people who complain about the Hindus saying they have taken up the entire web niche and do not give a way to others - but even more I know people who do not feel this. And you know why? Because those who complain about the Hindus are not very far from them in terms of the quality of their work and their code. Everyone who has at least once encountered the "legendary cheap Hindus" knows that it is better to pay an extra $ 10 / hour than then redo all their shit code. Think about it at your leisure, colleague. And good luck with your job!

This has nothing to do with quality .... it's about fair prices

Fair prices go along with quality

In other words, you can't compare prices without reference to the quality provided. And something tells me that prices are more or less the same across the globe for the same work standards. It simply doesn't make sense to ask below the market rates as you will be selling yourself cheap to cheap employers below your notch. And this has nothing to do with the lowest possible standard of living which you implicitly set as a reference point. You may live in the depths of Africa and still ask the highest price as long as you are up to snuff

I live in Europe and i can say to you that your wrong... 

A chocolate bar made in Europe costs 2 euros , a chocolate bar coming from outside the EU costs 0.5 euros and it's junk when you open it you can see it's old ,and they used more sugar then cacao...

And where am I wrong here?

You basically confirm what I'm saying, i.e. that a decent chocolate bar costs 2 euro and a shitty one a quarter of that. If you would have to pay the same price for good stuff and trash, you would be right. And you would be right too if you paid different prices for essentially the same stuff, like 2 euro for a European chocolate bar and 0.5 euro for the same quality out of some backward country where the labor is cheap. But this is not the case as you say yourself

[erikoy]

And where am I wrong here?

You basically confirm what I'm saying, i.e. that a decent chocolate bar costs 2 euro and a shitty one a quarter of that. If you would have to pay the same price for good stuff and trash, you would be right. And you would be right too if you paid different prices for essentially the same stuff, like 2 euro for a European chocolate bar and 0.5 euro for the same quality out of some backward country where the labor is cheap. But this is not the case as you say yourself

why would all of the sudden the topic changes from private sectors from being dead to chocolate. I guess you have made a lot of discussions to which lead out to concrete evidences on the private sector.

Anyway, the logic is very simlple and let us not all complicate things. Business in private sector is not dead neither will it be. It is just put on hold due to the fact the the government mandate is to keep everyone to stay at home for safety of all. If only there is no mandate for this then pretty sure that these private sectors will continue their business as usual.