4GB GPUs and DAG file load problem with Claymore and Ethereum

[tytanick]

Hello guys,


Every 4 days more and more of you guys will have bigger problems with 4GB GPUs.
Today there was another epoch in ethereum that increased size of the DAG file that is being loaded into GPU. 4GB GPUs are almost full !
[Short version]

Why is this happening ?
This file is right now 3.75GB in Ethereum and 3.84GB in Ethereum Classic.
The problem with claymore miner is that he did not released fix for the 4GB cards.
Also problem is seen in windows as windows is loading graphical interface in first GPU which already has almost full memory.
Every 3 days dag file increase and cause problem on 4GB cards.

How to fix it ?
Solution is simple, you just need Linux like Operating system and SimpleMining.net OS is the way to proceed.
Then under that operating system you just need to use teamredminer and then problem with 4GB GPUs will be solved but still not for long.
In November / December 2020 the file will exceed 4GB and those cards will stop mining Ethereum forever.

Also there is about 20-30% GPUs that have 4GB memory so you can expect 20-30% difficulty drop somewere in November/December 2020 or maybe this will be smoother as Windows users will probably give up mining.

Anyway if you would like to fix your problem, the solution is simple
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1541084.0

Current DAG size you can check on: https://investoon.com/tools/dag_size

Counter to next epoch has nanopool (top left on their website): https://eth.nanopool.org/

Our Mining Operating system website: https://simplemining.net


Here is whole email that i addressed to SimpleMining.net OS users: (with complete info how to fix it)
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[long version]
Quick but very important information about mining on 4GB GPUs.
Many users don't know but 4GB GPUs will soon stop be able to mine Ethereum (ETH) and Ethereum Classic (ETC)!
When you are creating new rig, be sure not to buy 4GB cards anymore. Choose those with 8GB or more.

Why is this happening ?
Well, there is the thing called "DAG size" in Ethereum. This is file that is being loaded into each GPU.
This file size is currently 3.74GB. And you are thinking right, when it grows to ~4GB the GPU will not be able to mine ETH.
On the other hand ETC (Ethereum Classic) has even bigger DAG file of 3,84GB so mining for it will end up sooner.

You will have problems sooner !
90% of users are currently using old good Claymore-ETH miner. But we are getting more and more signals that problems appearing right now in Claymore and Phoenixminer.
Windows user are doomed even faster with 4GB cards but you are using SimpleMining.net OS which is based on linux that handles mining much better.
ETH DAG file will exceed 4GB size in November/December 2020 and that might be last days with 4GB GPUs.
There are other coins which you can check on whattomine.com calculator but it will be less and less profitable.

How can i extend ETH mining on my 4GB GPUs ?
You should use miner program that addressed 4GB problem and made improvements so that 4GB cards could last as long as it is possible.
We advice switching from Claymore and PhoenixMiner to TeamRedMiner which fix works the best on 4GB GPUs.
Also its good to tell that TeamRedMiner has lowest dev fee and slightly better hashrate.
Still you need to know one important thing. When you look into dashboard hashrate, we are presenting you hashrate that miner tells us.
So looking at hashrate in miner/dashboard is not the smartest move.
If you want to be sure that miner program is hashing faster, you can verify that in much better way.
Take a look into your pool statistics website for accepted/current hashrate(real one) and not reported hashrate (what miner reports).

How to migrate from Claymore/Phoenix/others to TeamRedMiner ?
Edit your ETH mining group (or much safer - create new Config Group) -> Press "Change Miner" button - > search for teamredminer -> select USE on newest version
If you created new group, assign this group to your rigs.
In config option write those options:
-a ethash -o stratum+tcp://POOL:PORT -u 0x222222222.$rigName -p x --api_listen --watchdog_script
Or if it is SSL port then:
-a ethash -o stratum+ssl://POOL:PORT -u 0x222222222.$rigName -p x --api_listen --watchdog_script

Example config for TeamRedMiner for pools: (replace x2222222 with your ETH wallet address)
-a ethash -o stratum+ssl://eu1.ethermine.org:5555 -u 0x2222222.$rigName -p x --api_listen --watchdog_script
Example for nanopool:
-a ethash -o stratum+ssl://eth-eu1.nanopool.org:9433 -u 0x2222222.$rigName -p x --api_listen --watchdog_script

Questions ?
If you have any questions regarding this, any trouble, please feel free to ask up on our real time Discord channel https://discord.gg/EaZEmYz
You can also reply to this email (we reply within 24 hours).


Our Mining Operating system website: https://simplemining.net

[philipma1957]

Now this is actually good news for eth and etc miners that have 6gb 8gb and 11gb cards.

we should see a boost in earnings.

I have

 3 x 2  = 6
 1 x 4 =  4
 1 x 5 = 5

15 gpus pointed to simple mining as I type. all are 1080ti's and all earn more then 1 dollar a day.



Ty will 4gb cards work for kapow with simple mining?

[sxemini]

HAHA i'm mining with windows and 4GB cards, and i give not up, because why? My Rigs running well.

After reading your description the fix for windows is -> use internal gpu as first gpu and you have no problems.

[tytanick]

HAHA i'm mining with windows and 4GB cards, and i give not up, because why? My Rigs running well.

After reading your description the fix for windows is -> use internal gpu as first gpu and you have no problems.

Wait until 370 epoch, you will change your mind.

Kawpow works on 4GB still but i thin kthat profitability will be killed when all those 4GB or 50% of them will switch to  Kawpow ... good luck with profitability.

[Metroid]

HAHA i'm mining with windows and 4GB cards, and i give not up, because why? My Rigs running well.

After reading your description the fix for windows is -> use internal gpu as first gpu and you have no problems.

Wait until 370 epoch, you will change your mind.

Great thread, one thing is missing and is until what dag number #3xx will those people with 4gb mine eth on simplemining OS? 4GB is if I'm not mistaken exactly dag #384.

[philipma1957]

HAHA i'm mining with windows and 4GB cards, and i give not up, because why? My Rigs running well.

After reading your description the fix for windows is -> use internal gpu as first gpu and you have no problems.

Wait until 370 epoch, you will change your mind.

Great thread, one thing is missing and is until what dag number #3xx will those people with 4gb mine eth on simplemining OS? 4GB is if I'm not mistaken exactly dag #384.

He mentions the 4gb cards die in dec or nov 2020 even on simple mining

My worst card is a 1050ti mining on kapow.

I have 2 or 3 1660's
I have 4 rx 5500's all 8gb got a good deal on them
I have 2 rx 5700's
I have 11 1080ti's
I have  2  1070's
I have 1   1080

[Metroid]

He mentions the 4gb cards die in dec or nov 2020 even on simple mining

My worst card is a 1050ti mining on kapow.

I have 2 or 3 1660's
I have 4 rx 5500's all 8gb got a good deal on them
I have 2 rx 5700's
I have 11 1080ti's
I have  2  1070's
I have 1   1080

It's amazing how you manage that many different cards. Okay so it means his OS manages to stay around dag #380 or so.

[btcshiner]

I have 4 rx 5500's all 8gb got a good deal on them

[/quote]

How do the 5500's perform?  Haven't seen to much on them yet.

With the bump in ETH price I am not sure we will see to much of a difficulty drop in one shot.  1 5700 is close to worth 2 4gb gpu's getting shut down and use's less watts.

I think I would be ok with current profitability or higher sticking around for the next 10 months.  In the past 2 months I have seen my expected roi on 5700's go from 14 months to 10.  I have a 5600 xt coming this week I expect to be about the same 10 month roi if eth holds. 

In June eBay and Newegg were handing out 10% off coupons like candy.  Now they are stingy and sale prices aren't that good.  Stock is dwindling.

I picked up a 1660 ti that looks to be right at 12 months roi.  Almost to the day.

[philipma1957]

He mentions the 4gb cards die in dec or nov 2020 even on simple mining

My worst card is a 1050ti mining on kapow.

I have 2 or 3 1660's
I have 4 rx 5500's all 8gb got a good deal on them
I have 2 rx 5700's
I have 11 1080ti's
I have  2  1070's
I have 1   1080

It's amazing how you manage that many different cards. Okay so it means his OS manages to stay around dag #380 or so.

Hell I had hundreds this is nothing.

the 5500 do 25mh at 90 watts, but I need to check it to be sure
I am not thinking of an under clocked nVida 1660

they are 5500xt and they do 25 mh at 90 watts

https://www.provantage.com/asus-dualrx5500xto8gevo~7ASUG06F.htm

I paid 185 each

they have these in stock

https://www.provantage.com/visiontek-901316~7VSTV0W0.htm

I have 2 of these and they also do 25mh
https://www.provantage.com/msi-r5500xtm8c~7MSTI0YE.htm

Switch your 4gb cards to simple mining list them on ebay and buy these to replace them.

[JFoxOne]

TL;DR; version: Use TeamRedMiner or Phoenix miner.

Read our latest blog post about the topic - What to mine with 4GB GPUs?

[Marvell2]

HAHA i'm mining with windows and 4GB cards, and i give not up, because why? My Rigs running well.

After reading your description the fix for windows is -> use internal gpu as first gpu and you have no problems.

Wait until 370 epoch, you will change your mind.

Great thread, one thing is missing and is until what dag number #3xx will those people with 4gb mine eth on simplemining OS? 4GB is if I'm not mistaken exactly dag #384.

He mentions the 4gb cards die in dec or nov 2020 even on simple mining

My worst card is a 1050ti mining on kapow.

I have 2 or 3 1660's
I have 4 rx 5500's all 8gb got a good deal on them
I have 2 rx 5700's
I have 11 1080ti's
I have  2  1070's
I have 1   1080

well december eth 2.0 will launch anyways and mining will be dead right?

[philipma1957]

HAHA i'm mining with windows and 4GB cards, and i give not up, because why? My Rigs running well.

After reading your description the fix for windows is -> use internal gpu as first gpu and you have no problems.

Wait until 370 epoch, you will change your mind.

Great thread, one thing is missing and is until what dag number #3xx will those people with 4gb mine eth on simplemining OS? 4GB is if I'm not mistaken exactly dag #384.

He mentions the 4gb cards die in dec or nov 2020 even on simple mining

My worst card is a 1050ti mining on kapow.

I have 2 or 3 1660's
I have 4 rx 5500's all 8gb got a good deal on them
I have 2 rx 5700's
I have 11 1080ti's
I have  2  1070's
I have 1   1080

well december eth 2.0 will launch anyways and mining will be dead right?

yeah we will see how that goes.

[sxemini]

HAHA i'm mining with windows and 4GB cards, and i give not up, because why? My Rigs running well.

After reading your description the fix for windows is -> use internal gpu as first gpu and you have no problems.

Wait until 370 epoch, you will change your mind.

Kawpow works on 4GB still but i thin kthat profitability will be killed when all those 4GB or 50% of them will switch to  Kawpow ... good luck with profitability.

LOL epoche 370, this is what i expected. This is in November so what is the problem? With linux i can mine up to epoch 380? Very usefull to change the OS for about 1 month 
So about what we discuss? Your advertising for simplemining os? 

[john1010]

I think that is one of the problem mining eth, the dag file, many of my gpu;s had the same problem and it was change the hashrate and reduce it, i also notice that in the long run the gpu will no longer available to flash into factory mod.

[sxemini]

I think that is one of the problem mining eth, the dag file, many of my gpu;s had the same problem and it was change the hashrate and reduce it, i also notice that in the long run the gpu will no longer available to flash into factory mod.

Absolutly wrong. You can flash an AMD card every time, also if something go wrong.

What problem you have with the DAG file?`

[sxemini]

HAHA i'm mining with windows and 4GB cards, and i give not up, because why? My Rigs running well.

After reading your description the fix for windows is -> use internal gpu as first gpu and you have no problems.

Wait until 370 epoch, you will change your mind.

Great thread, one thing is missing and is until what dag number #3xx will those people with 4gb mine eth on simplemining OS? 4GB is if I'm not mistaken exactly dag #384.

He mentions the 4gb cards die in dec or nov 2020 even on simple mining

My worst card is a 1050ti mining on kapow.

I have 2 or 3 1660's
I have 4 rx 5500's all 8gb got a good deal on them
I have 2 rx 5700's
I have 11 1080ti's
I have  2  1070's
I have 1   1080

well december eth 2.0 will launch anyways and mining will be dead right?

No if ETH 2.0 released, you still can mine it. It will have POW and POS at the same time, but i don´t think ETH 2.0 will be released before the middle of next year. The dev Team talk about it for several years and nothings happen. So this year no ETH 2.0 release!

[Metroid]

No if ETH 2.0 released, you still can mine it. It will have POW and POS at the same time, but i don´t think ETH 2.0 will be released before the middle of next year. The dev Team talk about it for several years and nothings happen. So this year no ETH 2.0 release!

The information i have is that they will only release if eth goes 1000 usd plus again, the release will only be to strengthen that position. I guess the trolls who sold for $80 will kill themselves very soon. ETH after all is the barebone of all good things about crypto, bitcoin will lag behind as will only be useful for store of value and nothing else.

[Xazax310]

Claymore disappear again? I would think he'd like to update his software to allow mining 4GB until that time but nothing. I stopped using his Mining software once PheonixMiner came around. Now there's other options at hash just as good as his. He was first to market with "soft-mod" BIOs for Nvidia 1x00 and AMD however, props to him.

[Metroid]

Claymore disappear again? I would think he'd like to update his software to allow mining 4GB until that time but nothing. I stopped using his Mining software once PheonixMiner came around. Now there's other options at hash just as good as his. He was first to market with "soft-mod" BIOs for Nvidia 1x00 and AMD however, props to him.

Pretty sure he secluded himself on a desert island without internet connection, this pandemic made people to think about priorities I guess ehhe, he is not aware his app is not working for many and he will only be back before dag #380 hits to released a new version.

[john1010]

Claymore disappear again? I would think he'd like to update his software to allow mining 4GB until that time but nothing. I stopped using his Mining software once PheonixMiner came around. Now there's other options at hash just as good as his. He was first to market with "soft-mod" BIOs for Nvidia 1x00 and AMD however, props to him.

There's couple of miner are available inside of this section you can chose one that are fitted to your gpu's/asic needs. I agree I once running Phoenix in my gpu rig and it seems it gives and add to my riga good hashrate power, I stopped to use Claymore since the day that good miner entered to this forum.