[SCAM] Sportsbet.io seized my profits

[saturent]

Enough is Enough..
Guys becareful the SB team is holding my payout now since 45+ days.
Now they have atopped replying over mail also.

!!Warning!!

Support my flag and create another, this must stop.

[Boris007]

Enough is Enough..
Guys becareful the SB team is holding my payout now since 45+ days.
Now they have atopped replying over mail also.

!!Warning!!

Support my flag and create another, this must stop.

Most probably I will create my own thread tomorrow.
I am tired of them 45+ days kept me waiting saying Payout will be made soon.... and now after 45 days they have vanished and stopped replying to emails.

[saturent]

Here is the flag:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2203

Please, support the flag, we need to stop this fraud together, and the first measure is taking action.

Thanks!

Hi Saturent,

are you please able to answer the most recent email i sent to you with the multi-accounting (again) accusations?

If you are not able to provide a fair, decent and honest response to this, I have one more to send.

If that is still not able to be answered truthfully, we would kindly ask that you remove the incorrectly placed flag that you have added today..

Thanks for your honesty in advance..

regards,

Steve.

You are a SCAM.

There are zero links to my KYC that your "evidence" can proof.

Stop your bullshit, you will fall eventually.

I dont care if you dont refund my money.

YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED.

[JollyGood]

As it stands right now I will be unable to support the flag based on the evidence seen so far in this thread.

Also, as it stands right now I cannot oppose the flag either, again based on the evidence seen so far in this thread.

My best stance on this until something changes is to remain neutral.


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@saturent - in your own words and in a nutshell, what exactly are Sportsbet saying to you in private about the full reasons you will not be getting paid what you feel you are woed. According to the OP, you wrote "AMOUNT REFUNDED: 427 mBTC" and "AMOUNT SCAMMED: 21 mBTC".

Going by what you wrote, it seems highly unlikely Sportsbet would scam 21mBTC after returning 427 mBTC but stranger things have happened so I am going to keep an open mind about this though in my most humble of opinions it really is highly unlikely they are scamming or selective scamming. Anything is possible I suppose.

I think Sportsbet or any other business/casino cannot divulge information here openly in the forum otherwise they will be in breach of various data protection and GDPR rules but there is absolutely nothing stopping you from posting any information to strengthen your case. Is the only thing Sportsbet saying that you deposited BTC from a wallet/address that was used for deposits from other users? Which means at least 3 users including yourself sent money to Sportsbet using the same BTC wallet/address? Is that correct?

Once you post back and state the reasons Sportsbet gave you for seizing 21mBTC could you please also state in the post that you have no objection to Sportsbet confirming or denying the reasons you stated - that way we can try to get to the bottom of what is going on.
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@Sportsbet.io - if we follow a rule that you as a business cannot divulge lots of information regarding a user because of the various data protection and GDPR rules you might breach, could you please wait for the OP who is making the allegation (saturent) to post here to my request for simple clarification about what he says are the reasons Sportsbet told him he will not be paid 21mBTC and after that could you kindly confirm if what he says is correct?

21mBTC is such a tiny amount to be accused of scamming. It seems as I mentioned before in other posts, this seems to be about Sportsbet taking a strong stance against those they accuse of breaching their ToS rather than be about selective scamming.
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Once we all understand exactly what the root cause of this specific issue is then we can make up our minds about whether to support or oppose the flag.

The number of complaints being made against Sportsbet by mostly newbies, mostly for relatively small amounts of BTC means senior members of the community do have a responsibility to investigate the matter then come to a decision about what they think is going on.

Here is the flag:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2203

Please, support the flag, we need to stop this fraud together, and the first measure is taking action.

Thanks!

[Boris007]

Support bans player who has been on SB since 2016.




Bitcointalkers...you know parrot lines?? This kiddy support was copy pasting texts and when I found they banned me.

[ahctpacer]

I dont care if you dont refund my money.

Why did you delete your comment, shall we share it for everyone to read?

I am not able to send more than two PMs daily, that is why I could not answer.

When you say "again", you mean the 99% of messages I got without a clarification, I guess.

Sadly, you only start to provide more specific answers when something like a flag is created.

Anyway.. now you accuse me of depositing from a wallet that was used on several different accounts.

However, these accounts do not belong to me.

I explained it to your security department but I was totally ignored.

I am going to explain it again, opently and honestly.. I did not expect to be forced to share this publicly since the evidence (KYC) does not conclude anything but, I will.

I use a shared wallet, I told to your department that there might be some accounts linked since my partner was playing with you lately this year. (I have no knowledge at all of the usernames he used and this was all a supposition, whatsoever)

He had his KYC fully verified as far as I know, and you will see we are not the same person.

I believe I did not break any rule opening an account with you while my partner had already his, since we are two different people.

I also explained,.. he excluded himself in several occasions due to gambling issues but was always able to create another account (never flagged for multiaccounting while losing.. Huh)

I can provide you full details as I know he was in touch with the manager of one of your departments (the one handling selfexclusions), regarding the ability to open new accounts after requesting exclusion several months ago.

And now I ask you... why hasnt he ever been flagged/banned when creating new accouns? On this kind of situation, you do not mention "multiaccounting" , huh? As you know the player is unable to control himself and will just lose it all.. that benefits you and then, zero flags for your loved "multiaccounting" excuse.

When I make a totally new account for myself and I have some profits, then you flag it immediately.. curious, huh?

Sorry but you can not link these accounts to me since we are two different people.

I played by myself.. and I believe you can verify all this since we both underwent KYC..

Therefore and again, the funds.. the tiny profits I had.. belong to me.

My partner lost way much on your site from the moment he asked for selfexclusion until today.. always able to deposit, never flagged. That makes you really "responsible".

Just return my funds and stop this BS.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Oh dear, oh dear.

saturent, admitting to multi accounting right there. I suggest those who supported his flag have a rethink once they see that evidence.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2203

[Get-Paid.com]

Oh dear, oh dear.

saturent, admitting to multi accounting right there. I suggest those who supported his flag have a rethink once they see that evidence.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2203

Saturent,

I'm joining LFC_Bitcoin here and I've removed my support for the flag.

I say it and I've been saying it before - I'm all up for doing the right thing in this community, and I'd like to ask you to kindly explain this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266630.msg54934126#msg54934126

And this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266626.msg54970973#msg54970973

Please provide a credible explanation to these issues raised by ahctpacer - if I cannot see a credible/satisfying information then I cannot support your flag.

[adam0991]

I also have removed my support for the flag, judging by your response which you deleted it seems pretty clear to me that your excuse is that you share a wallet with your partner.

Whether or not that is true, you should see sportsbet.io’s side of this and agree that you have got your deposit back and learn from this to not share a wallet with a partner who has another account as the evidence linking you will be very clear.

Luckily for you it was not an extremely expensive lesson.

I am also sorry to hear that your friend is experiencing a gambling problem and you report that sportsbet.io appear to be abusing this, also reported from other posts on this forum (which for a reason have disappeared), it’s clear that they do not take this seriously and I hope your friend and other forum members can get the help they need.

[efialtis]

I dont care if you dont refund my money.

Why did you delete your comment, shall we share it for everyone to read?

I am not able to send more than two PMs daily, that is why I could not answer.

When you say "again", you mean the 99% of messages I got without a clarification, I guess.

Sadly, you only start to provide more specific answers when something like a flag is created.

Anyway.. now you accuse me of depositing from a wallet that was used on several different accounts.

However, these accounts do not belong to me.

I explained it to your security department but I was totally ignored.

I am going to explain it again, opently and honestly.. I did not expect to be forced to share this publicly since the evidence (KYC) does not conclude anything but, I will.

I use a shared wallet, I told to your department that there might be some accounts linked since my partner was playing with you lately this year. (I have no knowledge at all of the usernames he used and this was all a supposition, whatsoever)

He had his KYC fully verified as far as I know, and you will see we are not the same person.

I believe I did not break any rule opening an account with you while my partner had already his, since we are two different people.

I also explained,.. he excluded himself in several occasions due to gambling issues but was always able to create another account (never flagged for multiaccounting while losing.. Huh)

I can provide you full details as I know he was in touch with the manager of one of your departments (the one handling selfexclusions), regarding the ability to open new accounts after requesting exclusion several months ago.

And now I ask you... why hasnt he ever been flagged/banned when creating new accouns? On this kind of situation, you do not mention "multiaccounting" , huh? As you know the player is unable to control himself and will just lose it all.. that benefits you and then, zero flags for your loved "multiaccounting" excuse.

When I make a totally new account for myself and I have some profits, then you flag it immediately.. curious, huh?

Sorry but you can not link these accounts to me since we are two different people.

I played by myself.. and I believe you can verify all this since we both underwent KYC..

Therefore and again, the funds.. the tiny profits I had.. belong to me.

My partner lost way much on your site from the moment he asked for selfexclusion until today.. always able to deposit, never flagged. That makes you really "responsible".

Just return my funds and stop this BS.

Thanks for sharing this - even based on that, many things in this case still aren't being handled correctly (my 2 cents) but yeah - this is multi-accounting and while I also still feel that bookmakers use that rule to their advantage (don't care as long as the ppl are losing), I still have to withdraw my flag support for now.

[Get-Paid.com]

Thanks for sharing this - even based on that, many things in this case still aren't being handled correctly (my 2 cents) but yeah - this is multi-accounting and while I also still feel that bookmakers use that rule to their advantage (don't care as long as the ppl are losing), I still have to withdraw my flag support for now.

I agree SportsBet.io in some way are being a PITA (=pain in the ***) with this multi account thing, but if these are the types of users they deal with ... well, if I were them I wouldn't be sure if I wouldn't do the same things - in the past before we installed a fingerprint system, we had in our site a group of scammers speaking "english berry good, I think admin getpaid berry good" created like 20 accounts and completed the same surveys repeatedly - these were $4 - $8 surveys, high paying ones - we suspended all their accounts because we didn't want the issue to repeat itself.

If we had let them or one of them get paid and realize they can keep on "coming back for more" we would have jeopardized our business relationship with the advertiser - so whilst I agree that maybe some other sites might be lenient and this one seems to be more strict - I think this is up to the site itself to decide how to handle it so long as they have the evidence and now we all got the evidence we were looking for...

I do appreciate what was revealed here anyway and would wait for the OP to explain this or else I would for the first time actually mark my vote - an opposition for a flag created against Sportsbet.io

[JollyGood]

It does not look good for the OP but we should allow him ample time to at least respond to the multi-account questions being put forward. He also should at least post a reply to to what I asked him earlier: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266626.msg54970851#msg54970851

Oh dear, oh dear.

saturent, admitting to multi accounting right there. I suggest those who supported his flag have a rethink once they see that evidence.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2203

[marlboroza]

saturent, admitting to multi accounting right there.

Actually, they didn't admit anything:

However, these accounts do not belong to me. [...] Sorry but you can not link these accounts to me since we are two different people.

And, they said they both went trough KYC:

I played by myself.. and I believe you can verify all this since we both underwent KYC..

So, according to OP, one customer is cheater and one has only one account. Tricky situation for sportsbet, maybe there is rule in ToS which says "it is allowed to have only one account per household"?
I don't really understand this:

When I make a totally new account for myself

Totally new account like "new account" or "another new account"?

editing again because I am so damn curious about this.



@OP, is any of these accounts yours or they are all created by your partner?

[suchmoon]

household

Could be business partner, dance partner, undomesticated sex partner... don't stereotype sir marlboroza.

@OP, is any of these accounts yours or they are all created by your partner?

It sounded to me like the OP was trying to pin all those accounts on the "partner", what with all the self-exclusion bullshit.


Since the gambling sites are getting into the habit of not providing any evidence of their claims, I'm gonna use Bitcointalk sockpuppet linking as a guideline here. Blockchain evidence (same wallet) - most likely alts. Betting on table tennis - not alts. Betting and winning - not alts.

[saturent01]

This is saturent.

All what has been posted is absolute bullshit and my account has been compromised ever since, password and email changed.

This thread has lost any credible value since then, I wonder who has done this to me and why, what would be the motive... it is clear.

Absolute shame, everything has been reported to the admins.

Soon you will be banned for ever from bitcointalk, dont even doubt it

Oh dear, oh dear.

saturent, admitting to multi accounting right there. I suggest those who supported his flag have a rethink once they see that evidence.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2203

What a coincidence that you NEVER posted here before right LFC_Bitcoin?

Dont lie an admit that ahctpacer is one if your altaccounts, as well as Use_Your_Brain

They pay you regularly and as pathetic as you have shown to be, you are even capable of doing all this ridiculous moves.

Maybe it is even you who has stolen my account? Who knows right?  

[asche]

Oh dear, oh dear.

saturent, admitting to multi accounting right there. I suggest those who supported his flag have a rethink once they see that evidence.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2203

ähm where does he admit multi accounting?

he actually (or she) says his account is fully KYCed. And also says his partner does have an account and might have been multi accounting.

If that person is also able to KYC then this would easily prove his point. That's what KYC is for right? Prove you are 2 different persons using 2 different accounts, and afaik it's the only way to actually prove it.

But white knight LFC knows better.

I also have a question. Let's take this the other way around.

You lose a few bets, and you admit and prove you are multi accounting. Would SP null the bets and repay full deposit too?
If not there is a logic flaw here.

[efialtis]

Oh dear, oh dear.

saturent, admitting to multi accounting right there. I suggest those who supported his flag have a rethink once they see that evidence.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2203

ähm where does he admit multi accounting?

he actually (or she) says his account is fully KYCed. And also says his partner does have an account and might have been multi accounting.

If that person is also able to KYC then this would easily prove his point. That's what KYC is for right? Prove you are 2 different persons using 2 different accounts, and afaik it's the only way to actually prove it.

But white knight LFC knows better.

I also have a question. Let's take this the other way around.

You lose a few bets, and you admit and prove you are multi accounting. Would SP null the bets and repay full deposit too?
If not there is a logic flaw here.

They more or less confirmed they were using the same wallet didn't they? This is where sportsbet can (once again) refer to their ToS I guess... You just shouldn't do this since bookies then ALWAYS use this to their advantage claiming you were multi-accounting - that's the same with FIAT bookies. I am getting your point though and that is why I wanted to hear back from Saturent. Anyway, what is going on with all those accounts being hacked and manipulated lately guys? That's some scary shit.

[AB de Royse777]

I use a shared wallet, I told to your department that there might be some accounts linked since my partner was playing with you lately this year. (I have no knowledge at all of the usernames he used and this was all a supposition, whatsoever)

Reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266626.msg54970973#msg54970973

12.6.    Bonuses can only be received once per person/account, family, household, address, e-mail address, IP addresses and environments where computers are shared (university, fraternity, school, public library, workplace, etc.). The Operator reserves the right to close your account and confiscate any existing funds if evidence of abuse/fraud is found.

This is obvious that SB has full right to close the account.

Flag support already lifted and tag removed.

@Stever buddy, can you not make these things easier for us please? I do not think it would be much if would just say that your security team detected the deposit came from same wallet, in worse case you could just share us the blockchain evidences.

[nutildah]

You lose a few bets, and you admit and prove you are multi accounting. Would SP null the bets and repay full deposit too?

I know that you've more or less just been trolling here, but this is actually a good idea for somebody to try as an experiment. What would be more impressive is if you found a bitcoin bookmaker that had a different policy than SB.

I do not think it would be much if would just say that your security team detected the deposit came from same wallet, in worse case you could just share us the blockchain evidences.

If the player agreed to it then I would think its OK to share blockchain evidence.

[AB de Royse777]

If the player agreed to it then I would think its OK to share blockchain evidence.

I did not mean now after the player admitted it, I meant before all these dramas. It would be nice when a scam accusation arrives then Steve come up with all his weapons to protect his brand without hiding much. That will make our lives easier.

In this particular case if Steve would come up with those blockchain evidences in the first place then we would not have 9 pages of discussions.

You lose a few bets, and you admit and prove you are multi accounting. Would SP null the bets and repay full deposit too?

I know that you've more or less just been trolling here, but this is actually a good idea for somebody to try as an experiment. What would be more impressive is if you found a bitcoin bookmaker that had a different policy than SB.

This does not mean trolling, fact is this is a valid point. So, let's not blame each others and make things dirty. We are better than this.