Netherlands pilot scheme to allow women to play in senior men's team

[Daniel91]

OK I had nowhere to publish this so I started a new theme  
Here is the official news:

''A new pilot scheme that will allow amateur women to play in a senior men's team in the Netherlands has been approved by the Dutch Football Association.
The KNVB has given permission for one woman - 19-year-old Elle Fokkema - to join fourth-tier VV Foarut for the 2020-21 season.
The pilot could lead to regulations amended permanently to allow more women to play 'category A' men's football.''

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53649795

What do you think of this?
If some talented girl shows up, can you imagine that she plays for the first team of Ajax or PSV, in the Champions League match against Real or Barcelona?
Personally, I'd like to watch it and I think it would be very interesting.
We're already used to female referees in men's football and even women who coach men's soccer teams.
Soon it will be time for women to play alongside men on the same football team  

If any of you would like to bet, what do you think are the chances of a woman playing in the first men's team of Ajax or PSV in the next 10 years?

[Ayiranorea]

With this soon we can watch mixed football matches same as that we have with the tennis. Another thing women won't get much exposure to the international play same as the men do. With the initiative taken by Netherlands Football Authority more young girls who are good in football will be known to the world.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

We're already used to female referees in men's football and even women who coach men's soccer teams.
Soon it will be time for women to play alongside men on the same football team  

To be a referee is a huge accomplishment as we usually do not have much female referee but for females to play alongside men is the stupidest idea ever and that too in major leagues, exhibition matches i do not mind seeing anyone in the team but major leagues battling for major trophies and you want to create sensation for the purpose of creating one. Never ever i want to see those experiments as there is a reason for separate leagues for men and woman.

[tyKiwanuka]

If any of you would like to bet, what do you think are the chances of a woman playing in the first men's team of Ajax or PSV in the next 10 years?

0.0%. It's just not possible because of physical preconditions, where men have clear advantage. In some lower division it might be possible, but will bring a lot of other issues (like having additional locker room etc.).

Men and women competing on the same level is only possible, when fitness, muscles, height etc. plays no role. Like in Darts for example, where Fallon Sherrock was doing great in the PDC Championship last year. Or in Chess, Poker etc.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Never going to happen imo, they’re smaller, weaker, slower, just not going to happen imo.

[Ucy]

Interesting.
But I wonder if that won't make the male and female players to be be too careful to avoid bumping against each other and mistakenly touching things  (esp the hidden parts) that men/women shouldn't touch(esp intentionally) without consent.

Female referees and Female coaching men are OK as long the female coach is careful when playing with the men... Same as  male coaching female players

[leea-1334]

I just read the link but that is just about the 1 woman who can play in men's team but she has to move out of the division once they progress,,, unless I misread it.

Mixed teams are already normal in Netherlands and even in many countries and I agree we can have a mixed league. But no offence, men and women performance are HUGE difference.

[aioc]

To be a referee is a huge accomplishment as we usually do not have much female referee but for females to play alongside men is the stupidest idea ever and that too in major leagues, exhibition matches i do not mind seeing anyone in the team but major leagues battling for major trophies and you want to create sensation for the purpose of creating one. Never ever i want to see those experiments as there is a reason for separate leagues for men and woman.

The organization should look on the anatomy of a man and woman to come out of the decision, we want equality but it will not apply to a physical game like football, when it comes to physical games there should be separation between man and woman especially on football where the games become rough and out of control.

[webtricks]

Teams in sports like Tennis, Badminton, etc. play on different sides of the net. So it is possible to conduct mixed matches in such sports. Although, even in such sports Men's double team having let say 205th ranking can easily defeat world number one women's double team.

But in physical sports like football, it is impossible. Even fourth division men's team can play better than the first division women's champion because men are physically stronger and better than women.

I don't want to watch a match where Traorè makes a shoulder challenge and girl bounces and lands 2 meters away. Sorry for sounding too patriarchal but that's a truth.

I don't know why there is a need to play girls in men's team! We already have women leagues where top teams like Barca Femini, Ajax, PSG play. Those leagues have high viewership too and people enjoy watching them too.

[Lakai01]

-snip-when it comes to physical games there should be separation between man and woman especially on football where the games become rough and out of control.

I don't know what kind of football you watch, but out-of-control doesn't happen, that's what the referees are for.

To be honest, I don't see any problem with women being admitted to the highest divisions. I can well imagine that women from the Bayern Munich team, for example, play much better than players in middle-class teams in other smaller leagues. So at the end of the day it's not the gender that should count here, but the performance of the player.

However, there have been matches of very good women's teams against supposedly much weaker men's teams, for example in 2016 the national team of Australia (then ranked fifth in the world) played against a U15 delegation from Newcastle. The women lost very clearly with 0:7:

In quite some setback ahead of the summer Olympics in Rio, Australia Women's team have lost 7-0 to a Newcastle Jets Under-15 side.

'The Matildas', pictured above in January, are ranked fifth in the FIFA world rankings and have reached the last three World Cup quarter-finals, but saw their confidence hit earlier this week with a humbling at the hands of some kids.

Source

[Vishnu.Reang]

Never going to happen imo, they’re smaller, weaker, slower, just not going to happen imo.

But the problem is that they are never going to admit it, right? If the women players are so confident that they can compete among the men, then why it can't be vice-versa? Why can't male players compete in the women's teams? Anyway I wish Elle Fokkema all the best. If she is good, then she may get a permanent slot in the VV Foarut playing XI.

[acroman08]

If some talented girl shows up, can you imagine that she plays for the first team of Ajax or PSV, in the Champions League match against Real or Barcelona?

if she can keep up or be a better athlete even among the male athlete in the team, why not. also, it'll be interesting to watch a mixed-gender match.

If any of you would like to bet, what do you think are the chances of a woman playing in the first men's team of Ajax or PSV in the next 10 years?

if they are serious this it'll be 100%. but if they are just doing this just to please someone? I doubt we'll be seeing a woman playing in men's team of Ajax or PSV

[swogerino]

I voted no way as a man is always a man and a woman is always a woman so they are attracted to each other.I always think that the man players can touch or intentionally slide down or fall above the woman when they fight for the ball,I mean the players from the team they are playing against.It takes time to sort this out and problems like these have been shown even when only the referee was a woman.You cannot fight laws of nature.

If it happens though it would be real fun to watch.

[plvbob0070]

I'm not against their idea of them trying to mix men and women in one team since it's up to them. But I don't think for the next years or 10 years, we will see a lot of chances like this since there will always be a difference when it comes to their strength.

Let's be honest, even if we say that some women can be as strong as other men or can be as good as them, in this kind of sport, physical contact is inevitable and that would be hard for them to play with men. But it's also kinda interesting to see how well the game will be.

[Genemind]

Not to belittle women, but mixing football teams with women is not a good idea. Even if it's a talented athlete, men's physique is different from women. Especially in football were physical contact and strength are needed.

[bitbunnny]

I don't think this would work. Personally I'm not against it but somehow I don't think that mixed footbal teams have future and probably not everyone would accept that in good way. I don't think that situation in our society is ready for such experiment. Although that would be very interesting and I would like to see how would that reflect on sport betting.

[Twinkledoe]

The idea is good but problem I can see is that you would not be able to different much if the touch happening by man or otherwise is done purposely or not. It’s a game and you play with full passion without any fear and now when we will have women so man must watch out as well and might lack a bit of pace or that passion just to be extra cautious. So, if it would have been same gender as juniors man playing with seniors etc would be a better.

I think that will be one of the stumbling blocks here. They need to set certain limit now. But if you are out in the field, would be hard to control what may happen during the game. But the test run will show them what will be their potential issues that they may encounter here.

[yazher]

I don't think this is a good idea since women are not like men. Their skills are a far way off to one another, you know?
I saw a boxing match with a woman versus a man then he beat the man with no problem. although that was only an amateur fight, I don't think the match was good to consider that fight is going to give us nice entertainment. it is the same for the soccer match and any other games that involve competing for one another with their physical bodies. Chess and other mind games should be OK though.

[alani123]

I can imagine in a few years, prediction markets being called sexist because bettors put slimmer chances on teams with more females to win... That is, if a plan like the above is enacted.

Frankly, I see this as a stunt and not much more. Probably it'll stop once people are no longer interested. But allowing such possibility brings up an interesting and useful discussion. I think that it's important to remember that even feminists are for women's only league. The difference in the bodies between the sexes is noted and acknowledged. It's not considered a social construct as with many other things. Women's only league give women the opportunity to compete, creates extra employment and more opportunity for girls.

[imstillthebest]

I don't think this is a good idea since women are not like men. Their skills are a far way off to one another, you know?
I saw a boxing match with a woman versus a man then he beat the man with no problem. although that was only an amateur fight, I don't think the match was good to consider that fight is going to give us nice entertainment. it is the same for the soccer match and any other games that involve competing for one another with their physical bodies. Chess and other mind games should be OK though.

that boxing match you saw is an example that women can beat men  . women now are not on the femin side anymore unlike to what they are known before , that is because the world gets tougher now .

i can view the scenario on the first page simillar to shaolin soccer where there is also a female player that joined the team of men . i agree that its verry exciting to see that kind of scenario happen on real life  .