Netherlands pilot scheme to allow women to play in senior men's team

[Daniel91]

OK I had nowhere to publish this so I started a new theme  
Here is the official news:

''A new pilot scheme that will allow amateur women to play in a senior men's team in the Netherlands has been approved by the Dutch Football Association.
The KNVB has given permission for one woman - 19-year-old Elle Fokkema - to join fourth-tier VV Foarut for the 2020-21 season.
The pilot could lead to regulations amended permanently to allow more women to play 'category A' men's football.''

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53649795

What do you think of this?
If some talented girl shows up, can you imagine that she plays for the first team of Ajax or PSV, in the Champions League match against Real or Barcelona?
Personally, I'd like to watch it and I think it would be very interesting.
We're already used to female referees in men's football and even women who coach men's soccer teams.
Soon it will be time for women to play alongside men on the same football team  

If any of you would like to bet, what do you think are the chances of a woman playing in the first men's team of Ajax or PSV in the next 10 years?

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[Ayiranorea]

With this soon we can watch mixed football matches same as that we have with the tennis. Another thing women won't get much exposure to the international play same as the men do. With the initiative taken by Netherlands Football Authority more young girls who are good in football will be known to the world.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

We're already used to female referees in men's football and even women who coach men's soccer teams.
Soon it will be time for women to play alongside men on the same football team  

To be a referee is a huge accomplishment as we usually do not have much female referee but for females to play alongside men is the stupidest idea ever and that too in major leagues, exhibition matches i do not mind seeing anyone in the team but major leagues battling for major trophies and you want to create sensation for the purpose of creating one. Never ever i want to see those experiments as there is a reason for separate leagues for men and woman.

[tyKiwanuka]

If any of you would like to bet, what do you think are the chances of a woman playing in the first men's team of Ajax or PSV in the next 10 years?

0.0%. It's just not possible because of physical preconditions, where men have clear advantage. In some lower division it might be possible, but will bring a lot of other issues (like having additional locker room etc.).

Men and women competing on the same level is only possible, when fitness, muscles, height etc. plays no role. Like in Darts for example, where Fallon Sherrock was doing great in the PDC Championship last year. Or in Chess, Poker etc.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Never going to happen imo, they’re smaller, weaker, slower, just not going to happen imo.

[Ucy]

Interesting.
But I wonder if that won't make the male and female players to be be too careful to avoid bumping against each other and mistakenly touching things  (esp the hidden parts) that men/women shouldn't touch(esp intentionally) without consent.

Female referees and Female coaching men are OK as long the female coach is careful when playing with the men... Same as  male coaching female players

[leea-1334]

I just read the link but that is just about the 1 woman who can play in men's team but she has to move out of the division once they progress,,, unless I misread it.

Mixed teams are already normal in Netherlands and even in many countries and I agree we can have a mixed league. But no offence, men and women performance are HUGE difference.

[aioc]

To be a referee is a huge accomplishment as we usually do not have much female referee but for females to play alongside men is the stupidest idea ever and that too in major leagues, exhibition matches i do not mind seeing anyone in the team but major leagues battling for major trophies and you want to create sensation for the purpose of creating one. Never ever i want to see those experiments as there is a reason for separate leagues for men and woman.

The organization should look on the anatomy of a man and woman to come out of the decision, we want equality but it will not apply to a physical game like football, when it comes to physical games there should be separation between man and woman especially on football where the games become rough and out of control.

[webtricks]

Teams in sports like Tennis, Badminton, etc. play on different sides of the net. So it is possible to conduct mixed matches in such sports. Although, even in such sports Men's double team having let say 205th ranking can easily defeat world number one women's double team.

But in physical sports like football, it is impossible. Even fourth division men's team can play better than the first division women's champion because men are physically stronger and better than women.

I don't want to watch a match where Traorè makes a shoulder challenge and girl bounces and lands 2 meters away. Sorry for sounding too patriarchal but that's a truth.

I don't know why there is a need to play girls in men's team! We already have women leagues where top teams like Barca Femini, Ajax, PSG play. Those leagues have high viewership too and people enjoy watching them too.

[Lakai01]

-snip-when it comes to physical games there should be separation between man and woman especially on football where the games become rough and out of control.

I don't know what kind of football you watch, but out-of-control doesn't happen, that's what the referees are for.

To be honest, I don't see any problem with women being admitted to the highest divisions. I can well imagine that women from the Bayern Munich team, for example, play much better than players in middle-class teams in other smaller leagues. So at the end of the day it's not the gender that should count here, but the performance of the player.

However, there have been matches of very good women's teams against supposedly much weaker men's teams, for example in 2016 the national team of Australia (then ranked fifth in the world) played against a U15 delegation from Newcastle. The women lost very clearly with 0:7:

In quite some setback ahead of the summer Olympics in Rio, Australia Women's team have lost 7-0 to a Newcastle Jets Under-15 side.

'The Matildas', pictured above in January, are ranked fifth in the FIFA world rankings and have reached the last three World Cup quarter-finals, but saw their confidence hit earlier this week with a humbling at the hands of some kids.

Source

[Vishnu.Reang]

Never going to happen imo, they’re smaller, weaker, slower, just not going to happen imo.

But the problem is that they are never going to admit it, right? If the women players are so confident that they can compete among the men, then why it can't be vice-versa? Why can't male players compete in the women's teams? Anyway I wish Elle Fokkema all the best. If she is good, then she may get a permanent slot in the VV Foarut playing XI.

[acroman08]

If some talented girl shows up, can you imagine that she plays for the first team of Ajax or PSV, in the Champions League match against Real or Barcelona?

if she can keep up or be a better athlete even among the male athlete in the team, why not. also, it'll be interesting to watch a mixed-gender match.

If any of you would like to bet, what do you think are the chances of a woman playing in the first men's team of Ajax or PSV in the next 10 years?

if they are serious this it'll be 100%. but if they are just doing this just to please someone? I doubt we'll be seeing a woman playing in men's team of Ajax or PSV

[swogerino]

I voted no way as a man is always a man and a woman is always a woman so they are attracted to each other.I always think that the man players can touch or intentionally slide down or fall above the woman when they fight for the ball,I mean the players from the team they are playing against.It takes time to sort this out and problems like these have been shown even when only the referee was a woman.You cannot fight laws of nature.

If it happens though it would be real fun to watch.

[plvbob0070]

I'm not against their idea of them trying to mix men and women in one team since it's up to them. But I don't think for the next years or 10 years, we will see a lot of chances like this since there will always be a difference when it comes to their strength.

Let's be honest, even if we say that some women can be as strong as other men or can be as good as them, in this kind of sport, physical contact is inevitable and that would be hard for them to play with men. But it's also kinda interesting to see how well the game will be.

[Genemind]

Not to belittle women, but mixing football teams with women is not a good idea. Even if it's a talented athlete, men's physique is different from women. Especially in football were physical contact and strength are needed.

[bitbunnny]

I don't think this would work. Personally I'm not against it but somehow I don't think that mixed footbal teams have future and probably not everyone would accept that in good way. I don't think that situation in our society is ready for such experiment. Although that would be very interesting and I would like to see how would that reflect on sport betting.

[Twinkledoe]

The idea is good but problem I can see is that you would not be able to different much if the touch happening by man or otherwise is done purposely or not. It’s a game and you play with full passion without any fear and now when we will have women so man must watch out as well and might lack a bit of pace or that passion just to be extra cautious. So, if it would have been same gender as juniors man playing with seniors etc would be a better.

I think that will be one of the stumbling blocks here. They need to set certain limit now. But if you are out in the field, would be hard to control what may happen during the game. But the test run will show them what will be their potential issues that they may encounter here.

[yazher]

I don't think this is a good idea since women are not like men. Their skills are a far way off to one another, you know?
I saw a boxing match with a woman versus a man then he beat the man with no problem. although that was only an amateur fight, I don't think the match was good to consider that fight is going to give us nice entertainment. it is the same for the soccer match and any other games that involve competing for one another with their physical bodies. Chess and other mind games should be OK though.

[alani123]

I can imagine in a few years, prediction markets being called sexist because bettors put slimmer chances on teams with more females to win... That is, if a plan like the above is enacted.

Frankly, I see this as a stunt and not much more. Probably it'll stop once people are no longer interested. But allowing such possibility brings up an interesting and useful discussion. I think that it's important to remember that even feminists are for women's only league. The difference in the bodies between the sexes is noted and acknowledged. It's not considered a social construct as with many other things. Women's only league give women the opportunity to compete, creates extra employment and more opportunity for girls.

[imstillthebest]

I don't think this is a good idea since women are not like men. Their skills are a far way off to one another, you know?
I saw a boxing match with a woman versus a man then he beat the man with no problem. although that was only an amateur fight, I don't think the match was good to consider that fight is going to give us nice entertainment. it is the same for the soccer match and any other games that involve competing for one another with their physical bodies. Chess and other mind games should be OK though.

that boxing match you saw is an example that women can beat men  . women now are not on the femin side anymore unlike to what they are known before , that is because the world gets tougher now .

i can view the scenario on the first page simillar to shaolin soccer where there is also a female player that joined the team of men . i agree that its verry exciting to see that kind of scenario happen on real life  .

[rhomelmabini]

Not to underestimate women but I think this is a good chance to showcase how they can head to head on with males. Well, that depends on the degree of program on training they might get into to be able to play with men. If they can play like a pro then why not give them a chance? That all depends on the team owner by the way.

But honestly that's much of a distraction on the field and maybe men, well, you know kind of be gentle if women are the one who has the ball, sort of.

[Sadlife]

My prediction is that she will be on the bench for the rest of the game. I mean realistically speaking, no offense meant but she doesn't have any qualifications to play for a pro team. Maybe, if she could show some potential then it would be really interesting to see and worth betting on knowing your money will not go to waste and there's a chance for victory.

[Saint-loup]

I don't think this is a good idea since women are not like men. Their skills are a far way off to one another, you know?
I saw a boxing match with a woman versus a man then he beat the man with no problem. although that was only an amateur fight, I don't think the match was good to consider that fight is going to give us nice entertainment. it is the same for the soccer match and any other games that involve competing for one another with their physical bodies. Chess and other mind games should be OK though.

that boxing match you saw is an example that women can beat men  . women now are not on the femin side anymore unlike to what they are known before , that is because the world gets tougher now .

i can view the scenario on the first page simillar to shaolin soccer where there is also a female player that joined the team of men . i agree that its verry exciting to see that kind of scenario happen on real life  .

I don't think it's a good idea to mix genders in contact sports like boxing, american football, rugby, ice hockey etc but for sports with no or few contacts like soccer it could be a very good idea IMO. Soccer is not a manly sport in North America (Usa and Canada) for example, it's mainly practiced by girls over there.

[AbuBhakar]

My prediction is that she will be on the bench for the rest of the game. I mean realistically speaking, no offense meant but she doesn't have any qualifications to play for a pro team. Maybe, if she could show some potential then it would be really interesting to see and worth betting on knowing your money will not go to waste and there's a chance for victory.

Maybe some people see something from her that make them decide to support in these game, we don't know yet what else she can do to be on that spot, since I'm not underestimating women and they have this gut and empowerment to push throu in the game then preferably she still have what it takes. Will see maybe many women will bet on her that can boost her guts to win.

[Tipstar]

I've seen some practice matches involving both men and women and men easily superpower over women. Many of the popular women team players are occasionally found with larger amount of testosterone which is a male hormone. These two facts clearly establish that a women can not physically match men (exception being the women with men hormones) and if any made a part of the team, it would be just for a cosmetic purpose.

[Daniel91]

My prediction is that she will be on the bench for the rest of the game. I mean realistically speaking, no offense meant but she doesn't have any qualifications to play for a pro team. Maybe, if she could show some potential then it would be really interesting to see and worth betting on knowing your money will not go to waste and there's a chance for victory.

I wouldn't totally agree with you..
I found an interesting article about her in the Croatian media and here is her statement:
''It's fantastic that I can continue to play in this team. I've been playing with these guys since I was five and I'd be disappointed if I couldn't keep going," Fokkema said.''

Source: https://www.index.hr/sport/clanak/nizozemskoj-nogometasici-dopusteno-igrati-sa-seniorima-ima-tek-19-godina/2203184.aspx

So it wasn't that decision that came out of the blue and unexpected, but obviously there were good reasons for that.
That girl has been playing with these guys since she knows about herself and has been playing football with boys since she was five years old and she's obviously earned her place at that club, not because she's a girl but because she plays good football.
Clearly this club is not some top men's football club but this could be one small example and proof that girls can play on an equal footing with men even when they are older and move into seniors.
This is an example for the fourth Dutch league but who says that in ten years we will not see such examples in the higher leagues and even in the first Dutch league?
Obviously even in a physically demanding sport like football girls are already equal with men in the lower men's leagues, no matter what others think about it.
After all, if physical strength and muscles were really the most important thing in football, Messi would never have had the chance to become the best footballer in the world.
I think football skill is much more important.

Likewise, the issue of physical contact between men and women in the field is not as big a problem as some think here, given that this girl has been playing alone among men for so long and continues to play without fear or any problem  
After all, if she felt threatened by physical contact with men, she would obviously have given up playing with men a long time ago.

[serjent05]

I just read the link but that is just about the 1 woman who can play in men's team but she has to move out of the division once they progress,,, unless I misread it.

Mixed teams are already normal in Netherlands and even in many countries and I agree we can have a mixed league. But no offence, men and women performance are HUGE difference.

True that, this thing might get the attention of sports lover and can be the talk of the town but once implemented, I doubt that this kind of arrangement will be that popular in a team since everyone wanted to take an advantage over the other and having a female on the team can somehow be disadvantageous since men are naturally built physically stronger than women.

[fiulpro]

OK I had nowhere to publish this so I started a new theme  
Here is the official news:

''A new pilot scheme that will allow amateur women to play in a senior men's team in the Netherlands has been approved by the Dutch Football Association.
The KNVB has given permission for one woman - 19-year-old Elle Fokkema - to join fourth-tier VV Foarut for the 2020-21 season.
The pilot could lead to regulations amended permanently to allow more women to play 'category A' men's football.''

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53649795

What do you think of this?
If some talented girl shows up, can you imagine that she plays for the first team of Ajax or PSV, in the Champions League match against Real or Barcelona?
Personally, I'd like to watch it and I think it would be very interesting.
We're already used to female referees in men's football and even women who coach men's soccer teams.
Soon it will be time for women to play alongside men on the same football team  

If any of you would like to bet, what do you think are the chances of a woman playing in the first men's team of Ajax or PSV in the next 10 years?

This is a really interesting topic , I personally feel it would itself break many barriers and restrictions , show the world that you can do things differently.

The society needs this , but then again the thing is :
Implementation
How the public will take it ?

When we are thinking about the bet being made for the 10 years time period , I do think we have fair chances that we will soon see some woman playing in the team .

The first match with a woman in the team would be epic and no one is going to miss it for sure.

When we are talking about Qualifications , I do think one should understand that if she wasn't qualified none of this would have happened , people would have seen some talent and gone forward .

[milewilda]

If any of you would like to bet, what do you think are the chances of a woman playing in the first men's team of Ajax or PSV in the next 10 years?

0.0%. It's just not possible because of physical preconditions, where men have clear advantage. In some lower division it might be possible, but will bring a lot of other issues (like having additional locker room etc.).

Men and women competing on the same level is only possible, when fitness, muscles, height etc. plays no role. Like in Darts for example, where Fallon Sherrock was doing great in the PDC Championship last year. Or in Chess, Poker etc.

Im having the same sentiment as yours when it comes to physical preconditions yet no matter which angle we do try to look at then it wont really be that much effective yet we know the difference between men
and women in terms of performance specially on durability and stamina since we are talking football on here.No matter how she do know the basics or how to play but you can really see the difference.
For some sports then it might be considerable but for this one? physical capacity/capability wont be only the issue but also in other stuffs as well just like you mentioned about additional locker rooms etc.

[TravelMug]

I voted "no way" in the pool. I'm no sexist, but we all know that men and women are totally different, muscle mass etc, so it wouldn't be fair and they are really in a disadvantage here.

They already have their own league, so I'm not expecting any cross-over, maybe some exhibition match are "Ok", but that's just it.

[LTU_btc]

I have nothing against women playing together with men in amateur level. I even know one women playing in men team in my country in Sunday league. But they have no chance to play in professional level, even if they would have Messi skills. Physical differences is just too big. Well, unless she is like Caster Semenya with very high level of testosterone.
I remember reading article about USA women national team (current World Champions loosing to Dallas U15 team. So, best women players in the world with amazing skilss can't even beat bunch of teenagers.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4389760/USA-women-s-team-suffer-5-2-loss-FC-Dallas-U-15-boys.html
So, I think that women can compete together with men in pro level only when physical differences isn't important. Like darts, snooker, motosport or curling.
By the way, few moments ago I saw add on TV that this Saturday our women national basketball team will play against U16 side. Will be interesting to watch .

[STT]

There shouldn't be any rule to stop it being possible but realistically there is a clear physical disadvantage.   I'd put down a bet a woman could play in that league for at least a couple games, depends how we qualify it as a successful term but its a skilled game so its possible to have a winger maybe play and it could be either gender if they are fast enough and can place the ball it'd possibly work.    Really depends on the team to make this a thing, obviously if they close ranks and assume they are receiving a sub standard supporting player then its hard to say it'd work out

[AjithBtc]

There shouldn't be any rule to stop it being possible but realistically there is a clear physical disadvantage.   I'd put down a bet a woman could play in that league for at least a couple games, depends how we qualify it as a successful term but its a skilled game so its possible to have a winger maybe play and it could be either gender if they are fast enough and can place the ball it'd possibly work.    Really depends on the team to make this a thing, obviously if they close ranks and assume they are receiving a sub standard supporting player then its hard to say it'd work out

Well said, from my personal view the possible chances were very less. I mention this upon the physical ability that's been required to stand strong on the soccer field. If the game is completely skill based without the physical strength requirement then it can happen. For now at least few games will be played to get the response from the viewers.

[Wexnident]

WHOOOO WOMEN!!... Is what I would like to say but let's be real here mates. I ain't hating women or anything, they can play the game itself and I have no problem with that. Yes, most of us can acknowledge that there could be good female players out there, but teams would opt to choose the BEST and realistically speaking, male players are the ones that bring up the best in said games. Besides, if there were women that could be better than most pro players, it'd number around a few tens or so tbh, and they wouldn't even be on the same team possibly. Just the build of men is enough of an advantage when choosing players between men and women. And let's be real here, skill could probably take you a long way in high school tournaments even with a female build, but official matches where everyone has both skills and build?

[erikoy]

We should not underestimate the women nowadays for they can also do whatever a man can do. This will promote also the welfare of the women around the world. We have now Gender Equality for the women to get a good chance to every opportunity in every aspects like in working force. So, why not allow them to play in the senior men's team? Anyway, women can play along with the senior men's team especially young women players that are healthy. But if it really will not allow then better to find ways that will dignified the Gender Equality act on them to get fair opportunity to all the women.

[Shasha80]

I agree if women are referee or coach of men's football team, but if women play in men's main team I think could not be done.
And also I often see that the game of professional female footballers cannot compete with male footballers. What the KNVB did
by giving permission to Elle Fokkema to join a male footballer was a wrong decision.

[bonjouros]

It is quite unique as we were not able to expect this kind of situation to happen where women will start to play against men especially in football.

But for me, this kind of action is like a test whether women can really compete to men in football and if Elle Fokkema will be able to display a good
performance in football then it will surely change the future of football where women will be allowed to play against men. It is quite unique scenario but is
also good to watch as I am excited about the outcome especially if the men's team will be defeated by a women's team.

[semobo]

Its not a good idea, and football is war like game and most furious injuries happens too often due to the collision between player and if this happens between male and female then female could get more brutal injuries and more often death as well.Why not bring women's football as well into a popular game, all players are women means we can actually find more male audiences.

[dothebeats]

Men's league is simply too much for women. Not that I'm saying that they're weak or whatever but it's just that men tend to get more physical and more aggressive in their play style against anyone in the field in a contact sport such as football. Also, one reason I see why this would not pan out very well is through fan objection. Men usually hold back when they are pitted against women, giving them some form of 'handicap' on matches which isn't really enjoyable and fair to bettors and fans alike. If this is a non-contact sport then I would definitely agree, especially if it requires more skill and decision-making, but on a highly-physical game such as football, this is not a good idea.

[peter0425]

Its not a good idea, and football is war like game and most furious injuries happens too often due to the collision between player and if this happens between male and female then female could get more brutal injuries and more often death as well.Why not bring women's football as well into a popular game, all players are women means we can actually find more male audiences.

Not good in terms of possible injuries that those women will get into.

The idea of mixing those girls inside the field of a man is not right, like what you have said, inside the

battle field stronger and quicker big masculine are dominating the game, how this girls will be able to
stop them especially if they are already on their momentum, it's hard to stop a person who completely
eager to make a point, whoever in front of them will be taken for granted.

[stomachgrowls]

Men's league is simply too much for women. Not that I'm saying that they're weak or whatever but it's just that men tend to get more physical and more aggressive in their play style against anyone in the field in a contact sport such as football. Also, one reason I see why this would not pan out very well is through fan objection. Men usually hold back when they are pitted against women, giving them some form of 'handicap' on matches which isn't really enjoyable and fair to bettors and fans alike. If this is a non-contact sport then I would definitely agree, especially if it requires more skill and decision-making, but on a highly-physical game such as football, this is not a good idea.

We would really able to see that kind of hesitance for men that do play together with a women nor having an opponent in different gender. Football is indeed a heavy physical type of game which would really
require strength of a man that a women cant even achieved no matter how hard they do train up into their body.

If they do able to do so then its quite odd on having a women in the field.Also its stated that they do approved on letting an amateur to set-in into a game? that wont really be appealing in any angle
for fans and bettors of course.

Basing up on the poll then we can see that majority is highly opposing this idea.

[Daniel91]

I'm actually sorry that we talk mostly based on personal opinions rather than facts and statistics.
Since this girl has been playing with boys for 14 years,  I tried to find recordings of her games or statistics but I couldn't find it.
Such concrete data would help our discussion much more and help us find answer to the question whether girls can play with boys.  
Unfortunately, there is no data so we can only share our personal opinions.

[mersal]

I'm actually sorry that we talk mostly based on personal opinions rather than facts and statistics.
Since this girl has been playing with boys for 14 years,  I tried to find recordings of her games or statistics but I couldn't find it.
Such concrete data would help our discussion much more and help us find answer to the question whether girls can play with boys.  
Unfortunately, there is no data so we can only share our personal opinions.

There are girls who are stronger than men as well but athletic woman and man cannot compete each other in the game like soccer because it will lead into more injuries for the women due to many reasons.I only found women referee videos on internet who themselves injured on many occasions so how it is going to be mixing girls and boys for the same game.

[AmoreJaz]

I'm actually sorry that we talk mostly based on personal opinions rather than facts and statistics.
Since this girl has been playing with boys for 14 years,  I tried to find recordings of her games or statistics but I couldn't find it.
Such concrete data would help our discussion much more and help us find answer to the question whether girls can play with boys. 
Unfortunately, there is no data so we can only share our personal opinions.

There are girls who are stronger than men as well but athletic woman and man cannot compete each other in the game like soccer because it will lead into more injuries for the women due to many reasons.I only found women referee videos on internet who themselves injured on many occasions so how it is going to be mixing girls and boys for the same game.

it's not that i dont want women on this sports. but i just dont want to have another #MeToo movement here in the future. lets just keep it the way it should be. whether these women can cope up with the guys, but with this kind of movement these days, in some ways even if it is not intentional something will arise in the future.

[Lakai01]

Unfortunately, there is no data so we can only share our personal opinions.

This data exists, I have posted excerpts of it on page 1. Here again as a quote:

However, there have been matches of very good women's teams against supposedly much weaker men's teams, for example in 2016 the national team of Australia (then ranked fifth in the world) played against a U15 delegation from Newcastle. The women lost very clearly with 0:7:

In quite some setback ahead of the summer Olympics in Rio, Australia Women's team have lost 7-0 to a Newcastle Jets Under-15 side.

'The Matildas', pictured above in January, are ranked fifth in the FIFA world rankings and have reached the last three World Cup quarter-finals, but saw their confidence hit earlier this week with a humbling at the hands of some kids.

Source

Such matches, where professional women's teams against supposedly much weaker men's teams (partly also only boys' teams of smaller clubs) take place regularly. The German national women's team, for example, played against the U17 team of Bayern Munich and also lost big. So there is no need for sophisticated statistics, it is enough to simply let teams play against each other. Since these matches are often lost with a very high number of goals, one has to assume that the matches are simply not fair.

[FIFA worldcup]

With this soon we can watch mixed football matches same as that we have with the tennis. Another thing women won't get much exposure to the international play same as the men do. With the initiative taken by Netherlands Football Authority more young girls who are good in football will be known to the world.

Will this be allowed offically for women to play in mens team ? In tennis we have sepeate matches for mens, womens, double, single and mixed.
You will not find a match of double where at one team is playing with two males and other team is playing with a male and female.

If they want to introduce this in football, they first need to introduce mixed matches where  the teams consists of both male and female players.

[Daniel91]

Unfortunately, there is no data so we can only share our personal opinions.

This data exists, I have posted excerpts of it on page 1. Here again as a quote:

However, there have been matches of very good women's teams against supposedly much weaker men's teams, for example in 2016 the national team of Australia (then ranked fifth in the world) played against a U15 delegation from Newcastle. The women lost very clearly with 0:7:

In quite some setback ahead of the summer Olympics in Rio, Australia Women's team have lost 7-0 to a Newcastle Jets Under-15 side.

'The Matildas', pictured above in January, are ranked fifth in the FIFA world rankings and have reached the last three World Cup quarter-finals, but saw their confidence hit earlier this week with a humbling at the hands of some kids.

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Such matches, where professional women's teams against supposedly much weaker men's teams (partly also only boys' teams of smaller clubs) take place regularly. The German national women's team, for example, played against the U17 team of Bayern Munich and also lost big. So there is no need for sophisticated statistics, it is enough to simply let teams play against each other. Since these matches are often lost with a very high number of goals, one has to assume that the matches are simply not fair.

When I talked about the statistics, I meant the specific data of Elle Fokkem from her football career so far, considering that she has been playing with boys for 14 years.
This is a long enough period of time that some valid conclusions can be drawn.
If we could know her concrete contribution to the men's football club until now (14 years already), how many successful dribbles for example, how many balls taken, how many assists for goals or goals scored, only then could we definitely say whether this girl deserves a place in the team with boys or she is just mascot.
Do we have a member from the Netherlands here who can try to find this information?

[livingfree]

I'm stuck between no and little chance.

We're seeing the mixture of male and female in some contests although it's not that near to this. But as much as I want, they should retain it for all boys and all girls.

This will only create inequality, they can have their own and stay to their category.

[Rosilito]

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Such matches, where professional women's teams against supposedly much weaker men's teams (partly also only boys' teams of smaller clubs) take place regularly. The German national women's team, for example, played against the U17 team of Bayern Munich and also lost big. So there is no need for sophisticated statistics, it is enough to simply let teams play against each other. Since these matches are often lost with a very high number of goals, one has to assume that the matches are simply not fair.

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If we could know her concrete contribution to the men's football club until now (14 years already), how many successful dribbles for example, how many balls taken, how many assists for goals or goals scored, only then could we definitely say whether this girl deserves a place in the team with boys or she is just mascot.
Do we have a member from the Netherlands here who can try to find this information?

I am not from Netherlands, but I did try to find some information about it, however I couldn't find one. I think, such records of her hasn't been yet published online.

Well I somehow agree with you (considering some stuff whether if they can make a blow to a certain team or not). But I must admit... sir @Lakai01 shared information is something we should not disregard, since they were still women, after all. Not tryin' to be superio or drag somebody down here or what, but each have huge differences in terms of physicality. And as mentioned, football is a contact sport which requires strong build.

And so, I voted for "no way"  .

[YOSHIE]

What do you think of this?
If some talented girl shows up, can you imagine that she plays for the first team of Ajax or PSV, in the Champions League match against Real or Barcelona?

It sounds fun, I can't wait to watch their match in the Champions League, if you tell me I remember some of the female soccer players, who have good skills in the football arena.

Such as: Alex Morgan, who comes from America, he is also a model and has scored five goals in the match against Thailand 2019.
And also another one from the Dutch national team "Vivianne M" this is amazing. She is a beautiful woman and a soccer player by scoring 60 goals throughout her career.

For me that's great, if the Netherlands has an example of female players, after all there is basically a women's football team from the Netherlands, I can only say, I hope the world can do one more rule about the women's football world cup, to be fair.

[Vishnu.Reang]

I have always opined that politics must be kept out of sports. It is not beneficial for the greater good of sports. Here radical feminism is being mixed with sports and I am afraid that the outcome may not be good. Already we have ridiculous occasions where men were allowed to compete in women's sport, just because they claimed that they "identified as female". This caused a lot of harm to the genuine female athletes.

[Debonaire217]

Perhaps, it would be okay if a woman joins a team of sr men playing. But let's try to reverse it. If a man joins a team of women would it still be fun to watch seeing the single man dominating the entire match? I guess not. But if the games aren't that competitive I think it would also still good to watch a mix gender playing sports. Or both teams should have a mixed gender player so that the match will still looks balanced.

[bitcoinisbest]

Its not a good idea, and football is war like game and most furious injuries happens too often due to the collision between player and if this happens between male and female then female could get more brutal injuries and more often death as well.Why not bring women's football as well into a popular game, all players are women means we can actually find more male audiences.

This will be a real test because chances of getting injured from male to female increases as while running or tacking the ball without knowing there is a female the hit could hurt more to female than male. So, this would be a really a test how are they going to do and handle it. Only thing safety of women is main concern in the sports in such testing.

[Naida_BR]

This is a great initiative.
We are searching for equality in this world so we need to be equal in sports as well.
Obviously women and men are different physically but mixed teams are a good point in bringing sports to equal levels between men and women.

[Ucy]

Teams in sports like Tennis, Badminton, etc. play on different sides of the net. So it is possible to conduct mixed matches in such sports. Although, even in such sports Men's double team having let say 205th ranking can easily defeat world number one women's double team.

But in physical sports like football, it is impossible. Even fourth division men's team can play better than the first division women's champion because men are physically stronger and better than women.

I don't want to watch a match where Traorè makes a shoulder challenge and girl bounces and lands 2 meters away. Sorry for sounding too patriarchal but that's a truth.

I don't know why there is a need to play girls in men's team! We already have women leagues where top teams like Barca Femini, Ajax, PSG play. Those leagues have high viewership too and people enjoy watching them too.

I guess they mean well but probably didn't take what we have highlighted into consideration. Difficult decisions like this need to be well researched before they are allowed.
Ofcourse, male and female can play together as team in competitions "if that won't affect them in the bad ways" (may be few unintentional problems here and there maybe tolerated). I wonder what team can achieve this without allowing the immoral "things that should not be done" to be done intentionally

[MCobian]

This is not a good idea to realize, as we all know the difference in the vital parts between men and women can be the reason men
and women cannot play on one field. Imagine if a man clashed physically when fighting over the ball with a woman and accidentally
touched a part vital woman's body there will definitely be awkward moments. And this interferes with the course of the match, to my
knowledge women's bodies are weaker. So if women get tackled, they can get badly injured. It should be like now, women's and men's
football should be separated, except just for practice it doesn't matter.

[shoreno]

This is not a good idea to realize, as we all know the difference in the vital parts between men and women can be the reason men
and women cannot play on one field. Imagine if a man clashed physically when fighting over the ball with a woman and accidentally
touched a part vital woman's body there will definitely be awkward moments. And this interferes with the course of the match, to my
knowledge women's bodies are weaker. So if women get tackled, they can get badly injured. It should be like now, women's and men's
football should be separated, except just for practice it doesn't matter.

 dont know if you have seen girls that body build or on the olympics . they are muscular and have high endurance compare to most of us mens  . if that that type of women are going to enter on the game then we shouldnt be worry about here . this also a game and no malice involved here but if the guy will touch the private parts of the girl i think that would be obvious and anyone will notice that  . thats an easy win for the opposing team but it also bring embarassment and damages to the team that do it

[samcrypto]

This is not a good idea to realize, as we all know the difference in the vital parts between men and women can be the reason men
and women cannot play on one field. Imagine if a man clashed physically when fighting over the ball with a woman and accidentally
touched a part vital woman's body there will definitely be awkward moments. And this interferes with the course of the match, to my
knowledge women's bodies are weaker. So if women get tackled, they can get badly injured. It should be like now, women's and men's
football should be separated, except just for practice it doesn't matter.

This will be a big change and it might hard to accept to anyone because of thinking that men and women should be separated. We know that this generation changed a lot and many Women can really compete to anyone and the fact that they are being accepted on a specific team, that only means they are gold for them and can help the team. We can't know if we are not going to try it, let's give the chance and give a fair feedback later on.

[kotajikikox]

This is a great initiative.
We are searching for equality in this world so we need to be equal in sports as well.
Obviously women and men are different physically but mixed teams are a good point in bringing sports to equal levels between men and women.

Oh, with this kind of sport equalities shouldn't be applied. You already mentioned that physically
they ain't equal it will only damaged those womens physically, the strength of men is far greater

than women, even they've going to have same trainings and physical activities, the development
of mens body is far greater than women.

[Mahanton]

This is a great initiative.
We are searching for equality in this world so we need to be equal in sports as well.
Obviously women and men are different physically but mixed teams are a good point in bringing sports to equal levels between men and women.

Oh, with this kind of sport equalities shouldn't be applied. You already mentioned that physically
they ain't equal it will only damaged those womens physically, the strength of men is far greater

than women, even they've going to have same trainings and physical activities, the development
of mens body is far greater than women.

Its not really that we are underestimating womens but thats what the reality shows out.When it comes to physical body and even in emotion part where
men would be always tough and if you do try to mix em up on a sport then i cant imagine on how a women would able to handle a robust situation
where her body cant able to cope up and as you mentioned where development of body between genders is totally different.So in the question about
allowing women to play in seniors mens team then i cant say that this would be effective nor helpful at all.

[Ucy]

This is not a good idea to realize, as we all know the difference in the vital parts between men and women can be the reason men
and women cannot play on one field. Imagine if a man clashed physically when fighting over the ball with a woman and accidentally
touched a part vital woman's body there will definitely be awkward moments. And this interferes with the course of the match, to my
knowledge women's bodies are weaker. So if women get tackled, they can get badly injured. It should be like now, women's and men's
football should be separated, except just for practice it doesn't matter.

 dont know if you have seen girls that body build or on the olympics . they are muscular and have high endurance compare to most of us mens  . if that that type of women are going to enter on the game then we shouldnt be worry about here . this also a game and no malice involved here but if the guy will touch the private parts of the girl i think that would be obvious and anyone will notice that  . thats an easy win for the opposing team but it also bring embarassment and damages to the team that do it

Ofcourse.
I was just thinking while reading the comment that someone could easily get such female body builders and place them side by side with thin men to prove him/her wrong.
Well, I guess he is referring to all females (combined) being generally weaker compared to all men in existence.    However, Weaker ≠ Inferior... Men & woman (in marriage life) are one body serving different functions/purposes. The eye is weaker than the bone and certain muscles... the tongue "weaker" than the brain, but all work together for the good of the body.

[Taskford]

This is a great initiative.
We are searching for equality in this world so we need to be equal in sports as well.
Obviously women and men are different physically but mixed teams are a good point in bringing sports to equal levels between men and women.

Oh, with this kind of sport equalities shouldn't be applied. You already mentioned that physically
they ain't equal it will only damaged those womens physically, the strength of men is far greater

than women, even they've going to have same trainings and physical activities, the development
of mens body is far greater than women.

Its not really that we are underestimating womens but thats what the reality shows out.When it comes to physical body and even in emotion part where
men would be always tough and if you do try to mix em up on a sport then i cant imagine on how a women would able to handle a robust situation
where her body cant able to cope up and as you mentioned where development of body between genders is totally different.So in the question about
allowing women to play in seniors mens team then i cant say that this would be effective nor helpful at all.

Although there's something different in physical built between men and women but we cannot take out that there are sometimes women dominate on certain aspects. Remember that those women who are in professional leagues are been train well on their sports,craft or whatever they like.

But let see if this will contribute to this since I think somehow women can be helpful and I got your point but we cannot deny the fact that we see some girls doing a great in physical sports or contest.

[mezzaluna]

I guess if Netherlands could play that scheme, then other countries should follow since it would be another type of game where man and woman will prove camaraderie is always a good thing in sports. I'm just saying that its also better to have some women around since most men are always under heavy stress BUT women must always be provided with equal respect when they are playing sports on which they also both respect. Its also a good opportunity to present to the rest of the world that sports is for everybody.

[rhomelmabini]

I guess if Netherlands could play that scheme, then other countries should follow since it would be another type of game where man and woman will prove camaraderie is always a good thing in sports. I'm just saying that its also better to have some women around since most men are always under heavy stress BUT women must always be provided with equal respect when they are playing sports on which they also both respect. Its also a good opportunity to present to the rest of the world that sports is for everybody.

Unless this is just type of experiment from them and test if there's progress between the play they could setup while having a woman/women on a patriarchal team, just a thing popped in my head. Yeah, it's good to see camaraderies on a team having woman/women around but it can be achieved too even it's pure men's play. I'm just still neutral on the scheme unless it really provides good result.

[Renampun]

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women and men cannot be mixed in a soccer match...
since a long time ago I'm sure there have been thought to do this namely mixing men and women in the game of soccer but could not find a solution. the obstacle lies in the ability of women to balance the stamina of men and also the menstrual cycle factors in women which will definitely affect the game.

Never going to happen imo, they’re smaller, weaker, slower, just not going to happen imo.

weak, small, and slow? without women men helpless... (｀ω´)

[eaLiTy]

I do not think these are serious schemes about  a genetically born women playing along men, there are many transitions going on where genetically born men are changing their genetics and converting to women and may be these talks are coming up regarding that aspect as these genetically converted women cannot be included in a genetically born women's team as it will not be a fair game as recently a genetically converted woman broke a cycling record which is absurd and in these changing times we need to look at everything and i hope this is regarding that.

[bitbunnny]

I wonder how they come out with that decision, if they keep allowing woman to play football then soon there will be new rules to accommodate woman in this sports, football is a rugged sports and some men might take a chance on those woman or other will impose their physical superiority, not all men will support this move.

Maybe not all men will support that and in a way you have the point. On.the other hand I think they should give it a tryw, to see if this is possible and we need to fight prejudice. Although if it will work in Netherlands that doesn't mean it will in other countries, not all countries are so open minded as Netherlands.

[jrrsparkles]

I wonder how they come out with that decision, if they keep allowing woman to play football then soon there will be new rules to accommodate woman in this sports, football is a rugged sports and some men might take a chance on those woman or other will impose their physical superiority, not all men will support this move.

Maybe not all men will support that and in a way you have the point. On.the other hand I think they should give it a tryw, to see if this is possible and we need to fight prejudice. Although if it will work in Netherlands that doesn't mean it will in other countries, not all countries are so open minded as Netherlands.

There is nothing wrong with the trying and it could be a real fun match if both of them were playing together but on intense matches it could change the things completely.Women are strong but general men are more muscular and if both of them hits each other then women will get serious injury for sure and we know how many players were died and injured on the ground so this may increase a lot if this rules followed on more matches.

[Insanerman]

If any of you would like to bet, what do you think are the chances of a woman playing in the first men's team of Ajax or PSV in the next 10 years?

Same as the most have voted, there's no way that women must be played mixed with a men's team. It is a better idea if they separated another team and play only in women's division tournaments. Though some might find it discriminating when we would disallow them nor wouldn't let women be part of such games in their own wants, it is simply just a matter of what the game was made for. It's a team-play in which even men were being aggressive and had fouls on each other. Hence, mixing women in it isn't a good idea. Though some might also say that they can be as men as they wanted to be, frankly saying such football games wouldn't be as easy as what they think it would be.

Maybe not all men will support that and in a way you have the point. On.the other hand I think they should give it a tryw, to see if this is possible and we need to fight prejudice. Although if it will work in Netherlands that doesn't mean it will in other countries, not all countries are so open minded as Netherlands.

Many countries are so open minded as Netherlands, it is just a fact that most countries prefer fairness in the game. If a men play, it is in a men's division, and so applied onto women. And mixing such might also make the betting hard and problematic. Have you seen basketball with mixed men and women in a tournament?

[Daniel91]

We can approach this story on 2 different levels.
On a general level, we will all agree that women generally, for physical and other reasons, cannot play at the same level as men.
But we have all neglected the personal level here.
What about Elle Fokkem?
It's official news: ''The KNVB has given permission for one woman - 19-year-old Elle Fokkema - to join fourth-tier VV Foarut for the 2020-21 season.''
but what is behind that brief official news?
Why exactly this girl is allowed to play together with men in senior competition, and many other women are not allowed to play with men?
In one print newspaper so I can’t quote here it was reported that this girl played football much better than many boys and that this is exactly why she was allowed to continue playing with men in the senior competition.
So the real question here is probably not whether all women can play football together with men.
The real question is probably what if some female Messi, a woman who plays football better than most men, shows up, should she be forced to play only with women as a senior or be allowed to play with men if she is better than them?
To be able to fully answer this question, it would be good to get some concrete statistics about Elle Fokkem and her previous games in men's competition.
Is anyone affiliated with this club and can help with statistics?
Without it, we can only guess whether it is really true that she plays football better than most men or not.
After all, shouldn’t the best possible players play in any team, regardless of gender?
Clearly, this will never apply to female competition where it is obvious that men would be dominant but as for male competition, if there is one woman among a million women who can play better than most men, will we allow her to play in a men’s club and improve club’s results or not?
So, here we are talking about exceptions in special cases and not a general rule.

[Ucy]

We can approach this story on 2 different levels.
On a general level, we will all agree that women generally, for physical and other reasons, cannot play at the same level as men.
But we have all neglected the personal level here.
What about Elle Fokkem?
It's official news: ''The KNVB has given permission for one woman - 19-year-old Elle Fokkema - to join fourth-tier VV Foarut for the 2020-21 season.''
but what is behind that brief official news?
Why exactly this girl is allowed to play together with men in senior competition, and many other women are not allowed to play with men?
In one print newspaper so I can’t quote here it was reported that this girl played football much better than many boys and that this is exactly why she was allowed to continue playing with men in the senior competition.
So the real question here is probably not whether all women can play football together with men.
The real question is probably what if some female Messi, a woman who plays football better than most men, shows up, should she be forced to play only with women as a senior or be allowed to play with men if she is better than them?
To be able to fully answer this question, it would be good to get some concrete statistics about Elle Fokkem and her previous games in men's competition.
Is anyone affiliated with this club and can help with statistics?
Without it, we can only guess whether it is really true that she plays football better than most men or not.
After all, shouldn’t the best possible players play in any team, regardless of gender?
Clearly, this will never apply to female competition where it is obvious that men would be dominant but as for male competition, if there is one woman among a million women who can play better than most men, will we allow her to play in a men’s club and improve club’s results or not?
So, here we are talking about exceptions in special cases and not a general rule.

I may allow her to play with the men if all the players can be protected from potential abuses/behaviors that could arise due to their clear gender differences.
If she were my daughter (19-year-old Elle Fokkema) and you insist on taking her due to her exceptional skills, I would get you to guarantee that nothing bad or immoral will happen to her in the team. I'd have to see what she will play with for her protection, where she will sleep, bath, etc. I'd prefer a seperate place for her to bath and sleep. We have to protect both the males and the female from doing what ought not to be done. They are in the team for just competition/games. I don't want anything bad outside of that.

[Daniel91]

We can approach this story on 2 different levels.
On a general level, we will all agree that women generally, for physical and other reasons, cannot play at the same level as men.
But we have all neglected the personal level here.
What about Elle Fokkem?
It's official news: ''The KNVB has given permission for one woman - 19-year-old Elle Fokkema - to join fourth-tier VV Foarut for the 2020-21 season.''
but what is behind that brief official news?
Why exactly this girl is allowed to play together with men in senior competition, and many other women are not allowed to play with men?
In one print newspaper so I can’t quote here it was reported that this girl played football much better than many boys and that this is exactly why she was allowed to continue playing with men in the senior competition.
So the real question here is probably not whether all women can play football together with men.
The real question is probably what if some female Messi, a woman who plays football better than most men, shows up, should she be forced to play only with women as a senior or be allowed to play with men if she is better than them?
To be able to fully answer this question, it would be good to get some concrete statistics about Elle Fokkem and her previous games in men's competition.
Is anyone affiliated with this club and can help with statistics?
Without it, we can only guess whether it is really true that she plays football better than most men or not.
After all, shouldn’t the best possible players play in any team, regardless of gender?
Clearly, this will never apply to female competition where it is obvious that men would be dominant but as for male competition, if there is one woman among a million women who can play better than most men, will we allow her to play in a men’s club and improve club’s results or not?
So, here we are talking about exceptions in special cases and not a general rule.

I may allow her to play with the men if all the players can be protected from potential abuses/behaviors that could arise due to their clear gender differences.
If she were my daughter (19-year-old Elle Fokkema) and you insist on taking her due to her exceptional skills, I would get you to guarantee that nothing bad or immoral will happen to her in the team. I'd have to see what she will play with for her protection, where she will sleep, bath, etc. I'd prefer a seperate place for her to bath and sleep. We have to protect both the males and the female from doing what ought not to be done. They are in the team for just competition/games. I don't want anything bad outside of that.

She has been playing with the  boys for 14 years  so I think that all these problems were  solved a long time ago.
If this girl had experienced any problems while playing with man  she would certainly not be playing with them anymore.

[DarkDays]

Look, with all due respect to Elle Fokkema I just don't think its fair to the women who would be playing with the men. I mean sexual dysmorphia is a thing in human beings. Sure, she might have trained harder, might even be better than some men and might as well be at a messi or ronaldo level. But she would be competing with men that would on avg be twice her size.

Well not Elle Fokkema herself but the future women that might play in the senior category. I can think of a thousand groping incident scandals that could result out of this. Intentional or otherwise. As an experiment, maybe it'd be nice to see this play out but long term I don't think so.

That said, there are some pretty athletic senior men, not sure if women could keep up.

[yazher]

This is not a good idea to realize, as we all know the difference in the vital parts between men and women can be the reason men
and women cannot play on one field. Imagine if a man clashed physically when fighting over the ball with a woman and accidentally
touched a part vital woman's body there will definitely be awkward moments. And this interferes with the course of the match, to my
knowledge women's bodies are weaker. So if women get tackled, they can get badly injured. It should be like now, women's and men's
football should be separated, except just for practice it doesn't matter.

I agree there's No way they can compete with each other because of their different roles in the society, this is not all about comparison to each genders but women have specifically have some things they can do specifically like watching the kids and so on so forth. You know what? I don't have patience for watching my kids for 5 minutes but my wife can do all that and my wife have things she can't do which is I the only one who knows. Let's keep it as simple as man vs man and women vs women in the sports games. let's not make innovations like we have seen in the cinema, they're just making it worse.

[livingfree]

I'm stuck between no and little chance.

We're seeing the mixture of male and female in some contests although it's not that near to this. But as much as I want, they should retain it for all boys and all girls.

This will only create inequality, they can have their own and stay to their category.

If this is allowed many sporting events will follow can you imagine basketball which combined men and women they should do a lot of consultation especially to physical therapists because they don't have the same anatomy not to mention and besides the competitiveness of any team will be reduced because of course, we have a very different of the woman when it comes to physical.

I don't think that they will be that too open with that idea.

There's already an equality for separated sporting events for boys and girls. It's not discriminating if they won't be allowing a mixture of gender because it's a clear idea that it just can't happen.

They have WNBA and NBA so that should say the least.

[Mauser]

I agree there's No way they can compete with each other because of their different roles in the society, this is not all about comparison to each genders but women have specifically have some things they can do specifically like watching the kids and so on so forth. You know what? I don't have patience for watching my kids for 5 minutes but my wife can do all that and my wife have things she can't do which is I the only one who knows. Let's keep it as simple as man vs man and women vs women in the sports games. let's not make innovations like we have seen in the cinema, they're just making it worse.

Just by watching woman soccer games you can see that is a complete different game to when men are playing. Maybe this would work for trans people who changed from men to woman who can still play for men. But honestly what is the point? I don't find it sexist for genders to have different games and teams. We already during school that men and woman are different. There is no point in wishing that away. I agree that hollywood just makes it worse with just making the same movies again but putting a female as the main actor.

[Wenbing]

I see this as a woman equality right advocacy. It provides an equality ground for women and men to co play in a football match.

You see women could be very smart when given opportunity. Hence, I see the rising of women that'll be like Christiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi.

[Oilacris]

I see this as a woman equality right advocacy. It provides an equality ground for women and men to co play in a football match.

You see women could be very smart when given opportunity. Hence, I see the rising of women that'll be like Christiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi.

I dont see anything wrong with this one but isnt this would be a serious handicap for said team? If they do let to make out some substitution
then they are aware on the risk.

If they do allow women to play then so be it as long it doesnt violate any rules or regulations and doing the game fair and square.

Not to underestimate but we cant really remove on someones attention that women arent really that competitive compared to men but
doesnt mean that they aren capable of doing things.There is really just some differences when it comes to intensity.

[hahay]

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

[Smartvirus]

If some talented girl shows up, can you imagine that she plays for the first team of Ajax or PSV, in the Champions League match against Real or Barcelona?
Personally, I'd like to watch it and I think it would be very interesting.
We're already used to female referees in men's football and even women who coach men's soccer teams.

Interesting or annoying... Well, you said personally but then, we all know how we tend to criticize even the best player when he makes the slightest mistake and how most good players seat on the bench or play from the bench after a few triers with a bad play. This is very much going to be the outcome of this pilot study. Amending the rules to suit women participation would be a wrong step should FIFA go beyond allowing women to play on same pitch as men.

Female referees and women on the same pitch, running after the same ball and trying to emerge victorious is a whole lot of another story. Football is a game of contact and these are going to be sports men and women, more familiar with the Gem and men are naturally muscular than women except in few cases that a few women tends to equal the men. In all, it's going to be an unfair game and I really hope they don't waste much energy in conducting this pilot study because, it won't work out. I've seen this on a local pitch, it didn't go so well. The female seemed bullied!

[dunfida]

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

Men  playing on a women's league? that would really be too much but you know that odd things do happen on this world. lol.
When it comes into that touching part then theyre fully aware with that and they do still continue on such idea and let that women play in a senior mens team.
This isnt about inequality but rather talks about capacity or capability.Thing here is that there would be some major adjustments needed
when theres a substitution of a player which hadnt been part of the team.It can possible mess up entire gameplay.

[Saint-loup]

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

LOL it would be the same for men :  "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

[stomachgrowls]

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

LOL it would be the same for men :  "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

We are talking about reality on here where men doesnt have the right to complaint about being harassed by women. hehe. There would be no complaints because man doesnt really put up malice into these kind of touching moments accidentally and the heck on who would complain with that? If they do, then they are just too being sensitive.

Here are some links that do answer about women plays on men sports.
https://www.theperspective.com/debates/living/women-compete-men-sports/
http://www.bfpclinic.com/MedicalServices.cfm?PCID=291&PGID=1862

[ReiMomo]

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

LOL it would be the same for men :  "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

This idea made me smile. Lol.
Gender equality is not applicable at all times, we should consider those different factors that maybe will distract the men while they are playing the same as women. I don't know there could an adjustment but we know men are very allergic to women when it comes to touching and in that kind of game we cant avoid the body contact against your opponent.

[Saint-loup]

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

LOL it would be the same for men :  "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

We are talking about reality on here where men doesnt have the right to complaint about being harassed by women. hehe. There would be no complaints because man doesnt really put up malice into these kind of touching moments accidentally and the heck on who would complain with that? If they do, then they are just too being sensitive.

Here are some links that do answer about women plays on men sports.
https://www.theperspective.com/debates/living/women-compete-men-sports/
http://www.bfpclinic.com/MedicalServices.cfm?PCID=291&PGID=1862

Hmm I'm not sure it would be accidental every time. It would be very tempting for women to use this weak point if men don't dare to complain about it IMO.

[BuNga_cute]

I am among those who disagree if women are allowed to play football in the senior men's team. Very risk of sexual harassment, because it could
be men's hands touch sensitive parts of women. Even though this woman does have talent, it cannot be justified that women play football in
the senior men's team. I understand if the Dutch did this, because the Dutch government has always issued controversial policies. Hopefully other
countries don't follow what the Dutch Football Association has done by allowing women to play on the senior men's team.

[n0ne]

I am among those who disagree if women are allowed to play football in the senior men's team. Very risk of sexual harassment, because it could
be men's hands touch sensitive parts of women. Even though this woman does have talent, it cannot be justified that women play football in
the senior men's team. I understand if the Dutch did this, because the Dutch government has always issued controversial policies. Hopefully other
countries don't follow what the Dutch Football Association has done by allowing women to play on the senior men's team.

Yes, there is more chance of sexual harassment. Same time we need to be clear, sportsmen aren't that worse to disturb/harass an women sexually. My only thought is about inferiority, men will try to make her feel inferior even if she does a good play.

[Rengga Jati]

Is it allowed in the regulation? It will be a mixed team, right? And If the team has considered the pros and cons, I am sure that she is amazing and has more quality, power, and also skills than any other man that is selected probably.
But, I wonder about these words: amateur women, is it really? So what kind of criteria it will be required? How are about the men that have better and better criteria?
But let's see how this rule will be going on and accepted later again

[maydna]

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

LOL it would be the same for men :  "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

This idea made me smile. Lol.
Gender equality is not applicable at all times, we should consider those different factors that maybe will distract the men while they are playing the same as women. I don't know there could an adjustment but we know men are very allergic to women when it comes to touching and in that kind of game we cant avoid the body contact against your opponent.

Me too. An idea was pop up in my head. I will be the first who have accidentally touched them, and I really sorry for them
Perhaps, it should separate by men and women because there is a boundary between us which can't always in one team. Many things can happen in women play in senior men's teams, and men will have many ideas to have body contact with women. Besides that, sexual abuse can happen too, and men can't be blamed for that because they touched women's body by accidentally.

[coin-investor]

But, I wonder about these words: amateur women, is it really? So what kind of criteria it will be required? How are about the men that have better and better criteria?
But let's see how this rule will be going on and accepted later again

I voted not a chance even if the candidate has a good build-up, he cannot catch up the way man play and she will just a become a wallflower for the team and she cannot be included in the crucial plays of the team, she will just become a target of the opposing team, there will always better candidate for that position for man, instead of taking woman, they have their own league to play.

[AndySt]

But, I wonder about these words: amateur women, is it really? So what kind of criteria it will be required? How are about the men that have better and better criteria?
But let's see how this rule will be going on and accepted later again

I voted not a chance even if the candidate has a good build-up, he cannot catch up the way man play and she will just a become a wallflower for the team and she cannot be included in the crucial plays of the team, she will just become a target of the opposing team, there will always better candidate for that position for man, instead of taking woman, they have their own league to play.

Then it is better to make the option of a separate mixed league, as in other sports, or even then cancel the league on a gender basis. I have nothing against tolerance, I will say even more that in many cases I agree with such rhetoric, but to promote a woman to the MEN's league is already a bit too much. It is one thing when women work as referees at matches, but it is completely different when it comes directly to the gameplay itself.

[ene1980]

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LOL it would be the same for men :  "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

If there are parts that cannot be touched by your team mate or your opponent while playing a sport then you should not play the game  .It is not even a level playing field and what ever genetically mutation they do they will not match the speed of men  . There are crazier things happening in the world and let them experiment .

[Mauser]

I would like to know if this is going to have a some implications for us gambkers. Is a mixed team going to perform better than a pure male team? I would assume that the connection and interaction between guys is likely to be different when there is a female around. Maybe this is going to help out a team, or it might complicated things. Unfortunately there is no real data yet for such teams.

[FIFA worldcup]

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

LOL it would be the same for men :  "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

Most harassment is only used for women and it is very few occasions where we see that male are harassed by females. Due to different physical structure of men and women, it will not be a good idea to include females in male teams.

[robelneo]

Most harassment is only used for women and it is very few occasions where we see that male are harassed by females. Due to different physical structure of men and women, it will not be a good idea to include females in male teams.

You are right buddy even if men do not have intention to touch the woman's body or harass it because of the game, people who will see it will feel offended, because in other country where society is sensitive to women they will feel offended, the league should understand this, man and woman are not created equal in some ways and it's something that is hard to ignore.

[bryant.coleman]

If this is the Dutch idea of women empowerment, then I feel really sorry for them. Equal opportunity is what the women need, not preferential treatment. What they are going to achieve, by placing women in men's team? There is not even a 0.0001% chance that the player would be able to compete against the male players. BTW, male players are already being included in the women's teams, under the label of "transgenders".

[ethereumhunter]

Most harassment is only used for women and it is very few occasions where we see that male are harassed by females. Due to different physical structure of men and women, it will not be a good idea to include females in male teams.

You are right buddy even if men do not have intention to touch the woman's body or harass it because of the game, people who will see it will feel offended, because in other country where society is sensitive to women they will feel offended, the league should understand this, man and woman are not created equal in some ways and it's something that is hard to ignore.

That is what I am worried about if women are playing with men because that can trigger the other problem. It is not just about different physical structures, but how the league should think more not to include females in the teams. If the league still tries to include females in male teams, they will get some critic from society, which can attract demonstration from people who do not agree with that.

[Mahanton]

Most harassment is only used for women and it is very few occasions where we see that male are harassed by females. Due to different physical structure of men and women, it will not be a good idea to include females in male teams.

You are right buddy even if men do not have intention to touch the woman's body or harass it because of the game, people who will see it will feel offended, because in other country where society is sensitive to women they will feel offended, the league should understand this, man and woman are not created equal in some ways and it's something that is hard to ignore.

Touching body parts? It cant really be avoided into this kind of games which means physical harassment is really common and that's the problem
when you do really allow women to play on mens league or sports.Even if its not intentional then people would really find it odd.
I don't know on what considerations they are really try to push of because its not really that appealing to see for some mix up.
It should be divided equally when in talks of gender.

[Vaskiy]

Most harassment is only used for women and it is very few occasions where we see that male are harassed by females. Due to different physical structure of men and women, it will not be a good idea to include females in male teams.

You are right buddy even if men do not have intention to touch the woman's body or harass it because of the game, people who will see it will feel offended, because in other country where society is sensitive to women they will feel offended, the league should understand this, man and woman are not created equal in some ways and it's something that is hard to ignore.

Touching body parts? It cant really be avoided into this kind of games which means physical harassment is really common and that's the problem
when you do really allow women to play on mens league or sports.Even if its not intentional then people would really find it odd.
I don't know on what considerations they are really try to push of because its not really that appealing to see for some mix up.
It should be divided equally when in talks of gender.

If this was about some other game, then it could've been a success. With soccer stamina is important, I don't say women doesn't have stamina but in a team a single women will surely fail against men. If the match is being lost, surely the responsibility or the rest of the players will simply point her as the reason.

[aoluain]

Most harassment is only used for women and it is very few occasions where we see that male are harassed by females. Due to different physical structure of men and women, it will not be a good idea to include females in male teams.

You are right buddy even if men do not have intention to touch the woman's body or harass it because of the game, people who will see it will feel offended, because in other country where society is sensitive to women they will feel offended, the league should understand this, man and woman are not created equal in some ways and it's something that is hard to ignore.

Touching body parts? It cant really be avoided into this kind of games which means physical harassment is really common and that's the problem
when you do really allow women to play on mens league or sports.Even if its not intentional then people would really find it odd.
I don't know on what considerations they are really try to push of because its not really that appealing to see for some mix up.
It should be divided equally when in talks of gender.

If this was about some other game, then it could've been a success. With soccer stamina is important, I don't say women doesn't have stamina but in a team a single women will surely fail against men. If the match is being lost, surely the responsibility or the rest of the players will simply point her as the reason.

This doesnt come into play in the lower tier leagues because if this lady Elle Fokkema
is really talented it will stand up against less talented males in a 4th tier league.

As has been mentioned already women competing at the top tier of mens soccer is "less likely"
to happen unless the woman is comparable in strength and conditioning as men.

If the team is managed in a professional and responsible way harrassment shouldnt happen
but isnt a guarantee it wont unfortunately.

[Ucy]

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

If it's a Male Team, then mixing both sexes in such Team won't be a good idea. I guess they could do  the mixing in some sort of mixed Team (Male & Female Team) . This will help in formulating rules that are suitable for Mixed Team.

[leea-1334]

Commenting on the discussions above about physical harassment, I have played in mixed teams many times (women plus men) in a few different sports and this has never ever become an issue. I think, even if it becomes an issue later, many men would defend and ostracize the offenders. That has no place in contact sport,,, so I believe it is not a big issue at least not in my culture where women are respected.

Love women's football:)

[Daniel91]

It seems that in this discussion we can't separate the question of the football skills of this girl, Elle Fokkem, and the fact that she is a young woman who plays football with men.
For me, the first question is whether this young girl deserves to play in this men's team at all or is she just a mascot or should she be an example for the future?
If the answer is yes (that she deserves to play alongside men because of her football skills), should a male player be given priority in her place, just because he is a man?
Only when we resolve this issue does it seem to me that it makes sense to move on to another question, can women play together with men in football?
I remember reading somewhere that in the Norwegian army men and women are treated equally and even sleep together in the same rooms (which means they work together without any problems, from mutual exercises, touching each other, taking off clothes before bed etc).
I think it's similar in football, that both men and women are professionals and they don't play for fun but for results, to win.
If a young woman shows that she is better than a man in a certain position in the team and can help the whole team, should she be excluded just because she is a woman?
And as for the possibility of sexually harassing a woman, or accidentally touching her intimate body parts during play, it seems to me that you forgot that she has been playing with men for a very long time, 10 years or more.
So far no such problems have been reported and she continues to play alongside the men without major problems.
I would say that this question has already been answered in practice.

EDIT: This article describes what it looks like when young women and men work and sleep together and this is obviously not a problem as some think:
https://www.todayonline.com/world/europe/norway-army-men-and-women-train-together-and-bunk-together
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8_bm-j8ed4[url]]]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8_bm-j8ed4[url]

[Ucy]

Commenting on the discussions above about physical harassment, I have played in mixed teams many times (women plus men) in a few different sports and this has never ever become an issue. I think, even if it becomes an issue later, many men would defend and ostracize the offenders. That has no place in contact sport,,, so I believe it is not a big issue at least not in my culture where women are respected.

Love women's football:)

Things will be quite different in club football where players spend much of their time together traveling, training, playing, in hotels, etc. I guess they will still be required to have seperate rooms, bathrooms, safety rules for different genders etc.

[imstillthebest]

If this was about some other game, then it could've been a success.

some other games where female are involved and there are also games that both female and male are involved like volleyball or tennis  but why not this event or this game for the first time ? this can be succesful if both men and women in the team involved will cooperate and train hard to beat the opposing team .

With soccer stamina is important, I don't say women doesn't have stamina but in a team a single women will surely fail against men. If the match is being lost, surely the responsibility or the rest of the players will simply point her as the reason.

the female can go with the flow together with the male's if she will practice her endurance and also strenghth because soccer is an intense game. they can blame the women if proven that its the womens fault on why they lost the match but if all feel that women plays excellently why will she be blamed ? thats wrong

[Mauser]

Commenting on the discussions above about physical harassment, I have played in mixed teams many times (women plus men) in a few different sports and this has never ever become an issue. I think, even if it becomes an issue later, many men would defend and ostracize the offenders. That has no place in contact sport,,, so I believe it is not a big issue at least not in my culture where women are respected.

Love women's football:)

Things will be quite different in club football where players spend much of their time together traveling, training, playing, in hotels, etc. I guess they will still be required to have seperate rooms, bathrooms, safety rules for different genders etc.

Yeah this will likely be the case, and much is such seperation going to affect the team? I think a lot of bonding between the teammates happens of the field, in the locker room, in the hotel, in the gyms. Maybe I am wrong but with different locations for different genders it might be harder to become a closed group. Not that I don't like womans football, there are some very talented girls out there who play really well. It's just that mixing genders seems wrong in my opinion. Same goes for transgender woman being part of female teams, it's just wrong.

[Lanatsa]

Commenting on the discussions above about physical harassment, I have played in mixed teams many times (women plus men) in a few different sports and this has never ever become an issue. I think, even if it becomes an issue later, many men would defend and ostracize the offenders. That has no place in contact sport,,, so I believe it is not a big issue at least not in my culture where women are respected.

Love women's football:)

Things will be quite different in club football where players spend much of their time together traveling, training, playing, in hotels, etc. I guess they will still be required to have seperate rooms, bathrooms, safety rules for different genders etc.

Yeah this will likely be the case, and much is such seperation going to affect the team? I think a lot of bonding between the teammates happens of the field, in the locker room, in the hotel, in the gyms. Maybe I am wrong but with different locations for different genders it might be harder to become a closed group. Not that I don't like womans football, there are some very talented girls out there who play really well. It's just that mixing genders seems wrong in my opinion. Same goes for transgender woman being part of female teams, it's just wrong.

Transgender on females team is definitely a no-no.We can really tell the difference when it comes to power yet those shemales are indeed stronger and on the other side

it isn't really just right for a male to be mixed into females locker or shower or whatsoever.This isn't really something not right to be tolerated on.

There are lots of boundaries that shouldn't really be break even though they are well trained or a good player but doesn't mean that they will be mixed up.
There should be separation between males and females no matter how good they are.

[kryptqnick]

If a woman wants to play with men and her skills are not worse than those of fellow men, I think it would be deeply unfair not to let her play there. After all, it should be about the skills, not gender. And men not allowing a woman to join a male team because she might be harassed is overprotective, and they should have no say in this. It's her choice, and it's the harassment that we should fight, not women trying to go beyond it and willing to take the risks. I think it's the right decision by the Dutch football federation to allow her to play just as in a youth team.

[Ucy]

Commenting on the discussions above about physical harassment, I have played in mixed teams many times (women plus men) in a few different sports and this has never ever become an issue. I think, even if it becomes an issue later, many men would defend and ostracize the offenders. That has no place in contact sport,,, so I believe it is not a big issue at least not in my culture where women are respected.

Love women's football:)

Things will be quite different in club football where players spend much of their time together traveling, training, playing, in hotels, etc. I guess they will still be required to have seperate rooms, bathrooms, safety rules for different genders etc.

Yeah this will likely be the case, and much is such seperation going to affect the team? think a lot of bonding between the teammates happens of the field, in the locker room, in the hotel, in the gyms. Maybe I am wrong but with different locations for different genders it might be harder to become a closed group. Not that I don't like womans football, there are some very talented girls out there who play really well. It's just that mixing genders seems wrong in my opinion. Same goes for transgender woman being part of female teams, it's just wrong.

I think both genders can freely mix together in open places, like field, conference room, hall, and other open places that matters in their football career. I don't think mingling in private rooms, toilet, hidden places etc will help their career.
If i have a female child who is talented in football and a club wants her to play for them, I will make sure the club will protects my child from harm and abuse. Those boundaries will likely protect her.

[bonjouros]

I didn't know if this will bring a positive feedback to the audience or it will receive an opposite feedback if Netherlands will allow women to play in senior men's team.

Maybe it is understandable if they can just create a different divisions that are exclusively for men and women only if they are serious in bringing women to Football. Well I voted to No way even if the Dutch Football Association already approved the pilot scheme that will allow a women to play in football as I didn't like the way it is even if others wants to watch the game.

[dre1982]

Well the idea is great but I don't think it will happen that often.

Maybe we will see just 1 or 2 women playing for some lower ranked teams. I don't expect that clubs like Ajax, PSV or Feyenoord will play with a woman in their first team.

It interesting how the opponent would react. Maybe they will make less faults against the women.

[Ucy]

I didn't know if this will bring a positive feedback to the audience or it will receive an opposite feedback if Netherlands will allow women to play in senior men's team.

Maybe it is understandable if they can just create a different divisions that are exclusively for men and women only if they are serious in bringing women to Football. Well I voted to No way even if the Dutch Football Association already approved the pilot scheme that will allow a women to play in football as I didn't like the way it is even if others wants to watch the game.

Ofcourse, I felt thesame way when I first came across this thread. But the reason they gave is quite convincing and reasonable. I however think the disadvantages could outweigh the advantage if safety measures are not put in place to prevent/reduce problems that could result from the mixing. I wonder if they can sustain effective safety measures though.

[Alucard1]

I don't think that it would be possible to happen, we know the difference between male and female in terms of strength and football is such a game that requires a strength of a player to have the advantage to win, if a girl is in the field then I don't think that she can do more with some other guys, girls are for girls only and boys are for boys only in the world of football, it would be weird if they were mixed up even though only one girl will be in the field.

[dre1982]

The woman national team of the USA is the best women soccer team in the World. But they can't even win against a U-15 youth team. So I don't expect any women to join a first team of a professional soccer team. It's maybe good for some amateur clubs but that's it.

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/

[JohnBitCo]

Most harassment is only used for women and it is very few occasions where we see that male are harassed by females. Due to different physical structure of men and women, it will not be a good idea to include females in male teams.

You are right buddy even if men do not have intention to touch the woman's body or harass it because of the game, people who will see it will feel offended, because in other country where society is sensitive to women they will feel offended, the league should understand this, man and woman are not created equal in some ways and it's something that is hard to ignore.

Oh common, the women who will play in the men's teams will know all about these consequences and will not mind that. We already have some matches where men and women play together like tennis etc.  Although both teams competing should have female players and not only one team contain female gender.

[Daniel91]

Most harassment is only used for women and it is very few occasions where we see that male are harassed by females. Due to different physical structure of men and women, it will not be a good idea to include females in male teams.

You are right buddy even if men do not have intention to touch the woman's body or harass it because of the game, people who will see it will feel offended, because in other country where society is sensitive to women they will feel offended, the league should understand this, man and woman are not created equal in some ways and it's something that is hard to ignore.

Oh common, the women who will play in the men's teams will know all about these consequences and will not mind that. We already have some matches where men and women play together like tennis etc.  Although both teams competing should have female players and not only one team contain female gender.

I think that something like this could happen in the future and that this decision in the Netherlands is just the beginning and not the end or the exception.
Women are slowly getting the opportunity to play in all, even the most demanding sports such as MMA for example and the public is becoming more open to the possibility of women competing on an equal footing with men.
Women are becoming physically stronger and closer to the physical capabilities of men, and because of this, the door will slowly open in men's sports for them as well.

[fiulpro]

The woman national team of the USA is the best women soccer team in the World. But they can't even win against a U-15 youth team. So I don't expect any women to join a first team of a professional soccer team. It's maybe good for some amateur clubs but that's it.

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/

Wow
Opening old topic just to disrespect .
You should understand for a fact that women are never given equal opportunities, they are always facing much more hardships as compared to men's team. Even paid so less. Not even taken into consideration most of the time.

This is the proof.
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See there are women stronger than man , yes they exist! It's more of a personal point of view and when we are talking about harassment I do think every player faces harassment on the field not just women. Right now India Vs Australia was a really clear example of such case.

Therefore if they do agree to something like that I think they would be ready for such cases in the future and would accept it.

[Saisher]

I voted no way not because I'm sexist but they differ very much in their physical appearance and make up, and besides there are women's right and they will sound foul whenever they see women getting hurt, they have their own league so why not make their league competitive and leave the men's league on their own.

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

I'm not a sexist. But allowing women to play in senior men's teams is inappropriate, even though they have the same skills as men in playing football because they might fall into an accident in playing this sport that could lead to sexual harassment. So it will be better if women and men should have a football league of their own for them not to have any conflict with the fans and women's rights.

[k@suy]

I voted no way not because I'm sexist but they differ very much in their physical appearance and make up, and besides there are women's right and they will sound foul whenever they see women getting hurt, they have their own league so why not make their league competitive and leave the men's league on their own.

My only concern would be in terms of physical build because overall men are physically stronger than women and, in the play, if you use little power to push, they can fall and it can hurt them. Though in the fast-paced game you might not do it intentionally but how will it be proven if it was done intentionally or not. Else its fine to do a pilot test tun and see how it goes.

I didn't doubt of woman's capability to join in such kind of game, which in fact woman today are phenomenal woman who are already proven that they can do anything, and they can be also powerful in thoughts and in deeds. But yesh i will agree with you mate in the insight that womans endurances and physical strong was incomparable to man. When it comes to this certain topic we couldn't question the superiority of man at these aspect. However it may only my opinion, we'll see if these thing happens.

[Mauser]

I voted no way not because I'm sexist but they differ very much in their physical appearance and make up, and besides there are women's right and they will sound foul whenever they see women getting hurt, they have their own league so why not make their league competitive and leave the men's league on their own.

My only concern would be in terms of physical build because overall men are physically stronger than women and, in the play, if you use little power to push, they can fall and it can hurt them. Though in the fast-paced game you might not do it intentionally but how will it be proven if it was done intentionally or not. Else its fine to do a pilot test tun and see how it goes.

I think woman will have to adapt to the make standards of the game. Asking the men to take it slow and look out for the woman seems wrong. Overall it could be a decent experience but how many woman could actually play on a man's level? I like to watch female football games from time to time, and even in the top level the game just seems slower than when you watch the champions league final, or the world Cup. In the end the viewers are going to decide if they enjoy watching mixed gender games or not.

[Kakmakr]

You know we have discussed this around camp fires and some women are against this, because they think women should be different and special and they should have their own Sport. Unsurprisingly most men do not have a issue with this, but I think quietly some men are just curious about this.

When I was much younger.... girls joined us when we played football and even rugby ...but the boys held back and did not play the same game when the girls joined in. (Will the guys do the same, when a women are in the other team?)

Bone density is also a issue with some girls.... 

[ethereumhunter]

I didn't doubt of woman's capability to join in such kind of game, which in fact woman today are phenomenal woman who are already proven that they can do anything, and they can be also powerful in thoughts and in deeds. But yesh i will agree with you mate in the insight that womans endurances and physical strong was incomparable to man. When it comes to this certain topic we couldn't question the superiority of man at these aspect. However it may only my opinion, we'll see if these thing happens.

The rules need to adjust based on the conditions women and men inside the team, so the match can be an entertaining way to the audience. The rules need to give a clear line between women and men, so they will not try to break the rules, and maybe they need to give respect to women and not trying to harass the women inside the team.

[Smartvirus]

The rules need to adjust based on the conditions women and men inside the team, so the match can be an entertaining way to the audience. The rules need to give a clear line between women and men, so they will not try to break the rules, and maybe they need to give respect to women and not trying to harass the women inside the team.

This is the thing I fear, bending the rules to suit women participation and competing favourably. Aside from rules that accepts female participation and probably some dressing room rules, rules shouldn't be bent to suit this purpose. It feels wrong.
If women are to compit with men on the same pitch, they should do so following the same rules, football is one everywhere and so is it's rules. You can't have a different rule in a match where women are amongst it's team and another set of rules in a game without women. It would be a way of introducing some bias in the games and depending on which is favourable, you just might find teams adopting women as team mates or not.

Again, I don't understand what you intend to say by harassment. At what point does this come in?

[RealMalatesta]

If some talented girl shows up, can you imagine that she plays for the first team of Ajax or PSV, in the Champions League match against Real or Barcelona?
Personally, I'd like to watch it and I think it would be very interesting.
We're already used to female referees in men's football and even women who coach men's soccer teams.
Soon it will be time for women to play alongside men on the same football team  

If any of you would like to bet, what do you think are the chances of a woman playing in the first men's team of Ajax or PSV in the next 10 years?

I do not care about women playing in men teams, that is not really that much important information to me, they can or can't doesn't change a thing for me. However starting to accept women for men teams are not about just Ajax or PSV neither, that is not the topic here, if you could add them to any team at all, that would be still fine. There are two things that worries me and one thing that I support on this subject.

The thing that worries me is that we have been in the cancel culture for a while, what if one day women start to say "each team must have at least one woman in their roster" or something? Second one is how do you handle the money situation?

I mean women leagues as we all know gets paid less, will this women be paid more than other women? That is the issue. Support however would be; if a player is good enough to play there, doesn't matter their gender, as long as they are good enough to earn it of course.

[shield132]

Never going to happen imo, they’re smaller, weaker, slower, just not going to happen imo.

Yeah, "women are equal of men" and similar feminine things are getting really terrible. There is nothing wrong with things like men and women both have to take care of their children, women are as good in math and technical subjects as men, etc... But women into a squad where men play is a terrible idea.

Just imagine when women play football in men's team and also imagine that in the opponent team squad includes Ramos, Pepe and other rough players. Women can't be physically as good as men, they just don't have similar possibilities in this aspect. Well, if steroids will be legal for women in sports, then maybe they should compete.

[Sithara007]

Never going to happen imo, they’re smaller, weaker, slower, just not going to happen imo.

Yeah, "women are equal of men" and similar feminine things are getting really terrible. There is nothing wrong with things like men and women both have to take care of their children, women are as good in math and technical subjects as men, etc... But women into a squad where men play is a terrible idea.

Just imagine when women play football in men's team and also imagine that in the opponent team squad includes Ramos, Pepe and other rough players. Women can't be physically as good as men, they just don't have similar possibilities in this aspect. Well, if steroids will be legal for women in sports, then maybe they should compete.

If this is a one-off idea, then I won't complain much. But if they are planning to do this on a regular basis, then I am afraid that it will destroy the quality of the game. Being a female, I have to admit that females can't directly compete with males. If they want to compete with them, then the rules needs to be bent in order to given them special advantage. And this is not going to go well with the other players.

[dre1982]

The woman national team of the USA is the best women soccer team in the World. But they can't even win against a U-15 youth team. So I don't expect any women to join a first team of a professional soccer team. It's maybe good for some amateur clubs but that's it.

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/

Wow
Opening old topic just to disrespect .
You should understand for a fact that women are never given equal opportunities, they are always facing much more hardships as compared to men's team. Even paid so less. Not even taken into consideration most of the time.

This is the proof.
--
See there are women stronger than man , yes they exist! It's more of a personal point of view and when we are talking about harassment I do think every player faces harassment on the field not just women. Right now India Vs Australia was a really clear example of such case.

Therefore if they do agree to something like that I think they would be ready for such cases in the future and would accept it.

Well first of all I am not opening in old topic. It was opened before and not by me.

Second, There isn't any disrespect. It's just the fact that women can't compete men physically. If there is a women who can compete and wants to play in a men team it's all fine with me. Can't wait how it will turns out.

[ethereumhunter]

The rules need to adjust based on the conditions women and men inside the team, so the match can be an entertaining way to the audience. The rules need to give a clear line between women and men, so they will not try to break the rules, and maybe they need to give respect to women and not trying to harass the women inside the team.

This is the thing I fear, bending the rules to suit women participation and competing favourably. Aside from rules that accepts female participation and probably some dressing room rules, rules shouldn't be bent to suit this purpose. It feels wrong.
If women are to compit with men on the same pitch, they should do so following the same rules, football is one everywhere and so is it's rules. You can't have a different rule in a match where women are amongst it's team and another set of rules in a game without women. It would be a way of introducing some bias in the games and depending on which is favourable, you just might find teams adopting women as team mates or not.

Again, I don't understand what you intend to say by harassment. At what point does this come in?

The rules need to change or adjust to be matched with the situations because women and men gather in one field. I agree the rules should not be broken, and if one of them tries to break the rules, they should get punishment. Maybe the rules need to be strict than the normal rules as the women join with the men teams.

The harassment I mean is men can touch women's body by coincidentally, and they do not mean to do that, but the situations make them touch it. I am sure that things can happen in the field, especially if women and men chasing the balls in the field, and the harassment can happen.

[ice098]

Never going to happen imo, they’re smaller, weaker, slower, just not going to happen imo.

Yeah, "women are equal of men" and similar feminine things are getting really terrible. There is nothing wrong with things like men and women both have to take care of their children, women are as good in math and technical subjects as men, etc... But women into a squad where men play is a terrible idea.

Just imagine when women play football in men's team and also imagine that in the opponent team squad includes Ramos, Pepe and other rough players. Women can't be physically as good as men, they just don't have similar possibilities in this aspect. Well, if steroids will be legal for women in sports, then maybe they should compete.

 No doubt that women had already proven that they can do whatever men can also do. We are now practicing an equal treatment, no descrimination and in fact women today are already powerful which already holds a position in politics and run a country with the power of running country successfully. And there is no doubt that even in the world of sports women didn't fet out of the list. So there's totally nothing wrong with allowing women to play in senior men's team, and I guess Netherlands should be recognize about this thing.

[Ucy]

The woman national team of the USA is the best women soccer team in the World. But they can't even win against a U-15 youth team. So I don't expect any women to join a first team of a professional soccer team. It's maybe good for some amateur clubs but that's it.

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/

Interesting link. 
Won't be surprised if the male youths were so determined not to let ladies beat them in the match... It would have been an embarrassment to the team.
I wonder how they managed to hand the females in close proximity contest... Some will probably try to be gentlemen and handle the ladies with care.

[Daniel91]

After a long time, it seems to me that this topic needs to be revived because great changes have just taken place in the Netherlands when it comes to men and women playing together in amateur football clubs.
Before there was only one exception, one woman who was allowed to play with men and now it will be allowed to all women.
''The Dutch Football Association (KNVB) has announced a pioneering rule change which will see men and women able to play alongside each other in amateur football teams from next season.''
It seems to me that big changes are approaching and that in the future we will see more and more women playing football together with men.
What do you think about this?
Source: https://www.espn.com/soccer/netherlands-ned/story/4383175/dutch-fa-allow-menwomen-to-play-together-in-amateur-teams

[7788bitcoin]

It seems to me that big changes are approaching and that in the future we will see more and more women playing football together with men.
What do you think about this?

It is really disappointing to hear these kind of changes as it is not even a level playing field to compete along side men, will the Olympic association allow these kind of changes, i do not think we would see that happen. These are pilot schemes to get the general perception and i do not want to see these kind of changes but if they want to experiment who is stopping them  .

[romero121]

It seems to me that big changes are approaching and that in the future we will see more and more women playing football together with men.
What do you think about this?

It is really disappointing to hear these kind of changes as it is not even a level playing field to compete along side men, will the Olympic association allow these kind of changes, i do not think we would see that happen. These are pilot schemes to get the general perception and i do not want to see these kind of changes but if they want to experiment who is stopping them  .

These kind of games will be conducted as an exhibition match. Olympic association won't approve this, and we can't expect this to get added to the list of games. Men and women playing together could make both the players understand and learn different tricks. However it is hard to have equal energy level without which playing a game won't be that perfect.